Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...

1/20/2010 7:45:15 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
idlehour Montgomery, AL 61, joined May. 2009	Not that it is surprising...I'd rather stick a fork in the Obama Presidency which is exactly what it deserves after wasting a whole year trying to get one republican and a couple rogue democrats to go along with it. You can make excuses for this president, but it doesn't change the fact that he should have known better in using that strategy and opted for a reconciliation vote (50 +1) on important aspects of reform. Trying to get 60 senators to vote for anything when you only have 60 is not only stupid, its almost criminally negligent. Mr. Obama and the Senate Democrats would do well and read Sun Tzu's 500 BC book "The Art of War". Follow its principles in war or life and win, ignore its rules and you certainly will lose. Mr. Obama ignored or never read the book read by millions of military, political, and business leaders the world over. Clearly this is a Democratic president without a clue. After this Massachusetts vote, the Democratic Party has hit a low point. Governing from weakness begets weakness. Clearly this is the weakest president maybe in the history of the United States. [Edited 1/20/2010 7:51:03 PM ] Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
1/21/2010 7:32:32 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
coolchick Woodway, TX 64, joined Nov. 2006	Dear Idle: Weakest president in the history of the United States? Come on now, you can't be serious. And no, I'm not a blind supporter of Barak Obama. I was behind Hillary Clinton, and see that now some more stuff is coming to light about how people like Harry Reid and others lied to her about being behind her, while they were secretly plotting to go with Obama. That's dirty politics, in my book.
1/21/2010 10:56:35 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
idlehour Montgomery, AL 61, joined May. 2009	Quote from coolchick: Dear Idle: Weakest president in the history of the United States? Come on now, you can't be serious. And no, I'm not a blind supporter of Barak Obama. I was behind Hillary Clinton, and see that now some more stuff is coming to light about how people like Harry Reid and others lied to her about being behind her, while they were secretly plotting to go with Obama. That's dirty politics, in my book. Ok CoolChick....who was the president that got pneumonia on inauguration day due too the bitter cold and died a month later? After being called out on my post I must admit that he probably was the weakest president in history. I'm sure his energy level had to be poor since his lungs were most likely filled with fluid the entire time he was president.
1/22/2010 5:35:26 AM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
boo2y Dunlap, TN 67, joined Jul. 2009	I have not given up totally on Obama, but I can't help feel frustration at this point at what I see in Obama lately. I see him as cowering. I have been thinking that he is trying way to hard to be liked by the very people that can't stand anything about him. And over and over begging the likes of Snow is just too much for me to bare. As much as I like this president as a human being, I am floored by the fact that he is not addressing what he campaigned on in any significant way that would make American see the accomplishments. The republican part has done a good job of making this president into a joke, and yet he still caters to those that would prefer him to go away... As for the healthcare I followed everything religiously until I just couldn't take the never ending flip flops on media as to what they were accomplishing. I not longer know what the hell they are doing. They said today they took responsibility for not keeping the public informed the way they should, but damn it Obama campaigned on transparency. This opposition doesn't give a hoot about transparency, they just care that he campaigned on it but didn't give it to us in any real way with health care. And now after the Brown win, once again the democrats are seen as ineffectual wussies. If the republicans had wanted health care instead they would have rammed it down our throats in the very same way they don't want Obama to do it. I just don't get it anymore. I want to give up myself, and that is what the Right is banking on. Daily they say independents and dems are leaving Obama in droves. Damn will we ever learn not to take out win's for granted. If I am wrong you better help talk me down.
1/22/2010 11:27:52 AM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
idlehour Montgomery, AL 61, joined May. 2009	Quote from boo2y: I have not given up totally on Obama, but I can't help feel frustration at this point at what I see in Obama lately. I see him as cowering. I have been thinking that he is trying way to hard to be liked by the very people that can't stand anything about him. And over and over begging the likes of Snow is just too much for me to bare. As much as I like this president as a human being, I am floored by the fact that he is not addressing what he campaigned on in any significant way that would make American see the accomplishments. The republican part has done a good job of making this president into a joke, and yet he still caters to those that would prefer him to go away... As for the healthcare I followed everything religiously until I just couldn't take the never ending flip flops on media as to what they were accomplishing. I not longer know what the hell they are doing. They said today they took responsibility for not keeping the public informed the way they should, but damn it Obama campaigned on transparency. This opposition doesn't give a hoot about transparency, they just care that he campaigned on it but didn't give it to us in any real way with health care. And now after the Brown win, once again the democrats are seen as ineffectual wussies. If the republicans had wanted health care instead they would have rammed it down our throats in the very same way they don't want Obama to do it. I just don't get it anymore. I want to give up myself, and that is what the Right is banking on. Daily they say independents and dems are leaving Obama in droves. Damn will we ever learn not to take out win's for granted. If I am wrong you better help talk me down. Combine that with yesterdays Supreme Court decision to allow unlimited and unrestricted campaign commercials by corporations for candidates, it seems almost hopeless. This decision is just a catastrophe for good government and free speech for individual Americans. Now there won't be any doubt, if there ever was, that our politicians are bought lock, stock and barrel by Corporate America. These are sad, dark, bleak days for America. I feel no matter how hard people work to improve the lives of individual Americans, we get shot down by the rich, powerful and staus quo. I feel like a thinking German in 1933, hating to see the rise of Adolph Hitler, and powerless to do anything about it....
1/22/2010 10:21:18 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
boo2y Dunlap, TN 67, joined Jul. 2009	Quote from idlehour: Combine that with yesterdays Supreme Court decision to allow unlimited and unrestricted campaign commercials by corporations for candidates, it seems almost hopeless. This decision is just a catastrophe for good government and free speech for individual Americans. Now there won't be any doubt, if there ever was, that our politicians are bought lock, stock and barrel by Corporate America. These are sad, dark, bleak days for America. I feel no matter how hard people work to improve the lives of individual Americans, we get shot down by the rich, powerful and staus quo. I feel like a thinking German in 1933, hating to see the rise of Adolph Hitler, and powerless to do anything about it.... Well maybe it's thinking we are powerless that is the problem. We are not, it's just that I think liberals are not fighters by nature, they don't see life as something you fight, it's something to live and you share and you explore and you care for and preserve for the future. Although that also makes some folks think we are too scared to stand up to bullies. We are not, but then one can't prove that by the way the democrats are cowerig right now. Let's hope that does'nt last. I'm going to do myself a huge favor and get the hell out of these forums that people use to vent their own negativity with the world. It's really bad for anyone that believes the world is not evil but growing painfully. I am socially liberal and always will be, it's not good to come to a place day in and day out just to be told there something wrong with me because I am a liberal. I think liberals need to stand up to that ignorance. But you won't do that here. I'm not the one that see's other people as a threat to my way of life, that's the conservatives hang ups, and I can't be around it anymore. I'm out of here. Nice to have met many of you, but it's time to preserve my sanity and get back to my peaceful life where I don't see everything is a threat but an opportunity to become a better person. I'm a bit tired so I hope that made sense. Have a good life folks, and don't get down, get even by staying positive.
1/23/2010 10:45:45 AM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
idlehour Montgomery, AL 61, joined May. 2009	Boo, I really wish you wouldn't do that...I enjoy reading your posts and respect your enlightened - and I might add - compelling views on issues facing us these days. As Thomas Payne said: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." Don't give up the fight Boo, no matter how small each of us can contribute to it at this time....please stay and continue to fight the good fight.
1/24/2010 1:53:25 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
coolchick Woodway, TX 64, joined Nov. 2006	Reply to Idle: William Henry Harrison was the president who died of pneumonia 31 days after taking office. I'd say the weakest president(politically) was Democrat James Buchanan, who was inactive on stopping secession. He wasn't willing to confront the slavery states - not willing to commit troops to try to end slavery. So, he did nothing. He gets very low ranking in national polls on effectiveness. The Democratic Party split in the aftermath of his presidency. I agree that President Obama has made some major missteps. But (IMO), he is not weak. He's very intelligent, forward-thinking, and crafty. He will shift strategy when he sees something isn't working. I think that his biggest negative is he seems to be aloof. I think that one of the biggest things Barak Obama has against him, which was not his fault - is the recession and massive job losses. That train was boosted out of the station by George W. Bush. Bush put our economy in the toilet, and no matter who took office last year - he or she was going to get walloped by after-shocks from the Bush administration's run-away spending of the previous eight years. It's going to take years to get our economy back to where it was when Bill Clinton was President. Alas, Americans are by nature impatient, and we tend to want quick fixes. When we don't get the quick fix, we want to throw the baby out with the bath water. This kind of impulsiveness is what leads to the possibility of electing political hacks, and nitwits like Sarah Palin. If you are a true card-carrying/dues paying Democrat, you do not trash the whole Party when some in the Party make mistakes. You sit up and take notice when there is a wake-up call, like the stunning loss in the Massachusetts Senate race. You press the President to change course, if you feel he is going off-course. You continue to support the Party with your time and what money you can spare. We are losing the Independents, but we can re-group and change that scenario. It's not hopeless. It would be folly to throw our hands up and give the White House over to the Republicans in 2012. Things are tough right now, but just imagine how bad we know it would be,if John McCain were President right now.
1/24/2010 4:39:39 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
mgdbottled Suttons Bay, MI 68, joined Jan. 2010	I'm with you coolchick. Except that I have switched political parties. I was a democrat. Now, I'm a socialist. Within the framework of capitalism, of course. In other words, I've went more to the left. IMHO, the conservative won in Mass. because of two factors. The first being the massive tax hike on tobacco. That's one-third of the country looking for a reason to vote for a democrat again. The second was the individual mandate on his health insurance proposal. Nobody likes being told they're going to have to buy a crap product from a private insurance company. That's just plain unamerican. We need health care. But, we need a public health care system which covers everyone and taxes everyone in accord to their ability to pay. The defeat of the Obama plan just might have saved the democrats come this falls election. I really don't think spending a whole lot of treasury nowadays in an attempt to prime the economy is a real big concern for democrats or independents. They recognize the need for substantial stimulus by the government.
1/26/2010 7:55:03 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
coolchick Woodway, TX 64, joined Nov. 2006	mgdbottled. Hello, my Socialist brother. You make some interesting points. I think the Massachusetts voters were mainly angry over state government problems, but they decided to vent it out in the Senate election. I think it's amusing that the Republicans are pronouncing that election as "The American people have spoken out against health care reform". Pish-tosh. That wasn't the deal at all. One monkey don't stop no show, either.
2/1/2010 9:48:32 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
carley46 Prosperity, SC 54, joined Nov. 2009	I really really don't get it. Are the majority of the people of this country so stupid that they can not see and understand that healthcare for all is a good thing. Why are so many folks so easily persuaded that something so fundamentally good is evil and bad for us. Send out a few horror stories and you can easily sway a nation from something that they know in their hearts is the right thing. The ability of any citizen to see a compitent doctor when they NEED to, the abilility to get the proper care a qualified doctor prescribes. Instead we are so easily swayed by stories of canadians that can't get needed operations and fears that we won't get to see OUR doctor. And we have the elderly worrying about having their medicare will be taken away. duh, it's medicaid for all. The elderly are afraid of loosing it and the rest of us are afraid of getting it. Yes there will be problems, does our current system work perfectly. How many individuals in this country right now can actually afford health care or themselves and their families. We have to start somewhere and work our way through the problems.Hopefully we can avoid the $2000. hammers.
2/6/2010 12:31:47 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
coolchick Woodway, TX 64, joined Nov. 2006	carley. How's it going in SC? You're right, many in this country are easily swayed by the propaganda machine of the Republican Party, which gets it anti-health care reform wheels greased by the Insurance companies and the Pharmaceutical companies. The Repubs are experts in fear-mongering and manipulating groups of people. Even the tea-baggers are now realizing how they have been manipulated by the GOP. That so-called "grassroots" movement continues to be largely bank-rolled and increasingly controlled by the Republican Party, which is why the tea-bagger "purists" are now splitting off in disgust. One can only hope this is the beginning of the end for that wing-nut movement. I don't believe that the majority of Americans are against health care. I mean, who of us doesn't want it for ourselves? I think many Americans, however, have the attitude of "Screw everyone else, as long as I get mine". But.....are they really "getting theirs"? The big LIE coming from the GOP is that their "base" is already getting a good deal. What they are really getting is sky-rocketing insurance premiums, sky-rocketing prescription price hikes, and increasing decreases in what their insurance will cover. We union activists are being accused of negotiating "cadillac health care plans". First off, what's wrong with workers banding together to bargain for the best deal we can get out of our employer? We give up part of every paycheck to get those bargaining rights. And, we aint riding in no cadillac, let me assure you. My health insurance premiums have gone up 19% in the last two years. Every time I get a cola increase in my pay, it's offset by increases in insurance premiums. Yes, I'm lucky to have insurance. But, it's not right to continue to allow the insurance and pharmaceutical companies to inflate costs and throw poor people under the train in order to gain riches. Me and a whole bunch more federal worker union activists from all over the country are headed to Washington, D.C. in 15 days. You better believe we are gonna hit Capitol Hill running. Health Care Reform is at the top of our agenda, and we will not go easy on Democrats or Republicans. Solidarity Forever!
2/7/2010 7:08:53 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
mgdbottled Suttons Bay, MI 68, joined Jan. 2010	Are the majority of the people of this country so stupid that they can not see and understand that healthcare for all is a good thing. No, they're not only stupid. They're also just plain evil. Just listen to them over on the CE&P forum. Pure evil at its worst. There's nothing christian going on over there. Just a whole lot of thinking from the 19th Century. It seems some people would still prefer the dark ages.
2/7/2010 7:40:35 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
coolchick Woodway, TX 64, joined Nov. 2006	Quote from mgdbottled: No, they're not only stupid. They're also just plain evil. Just listen to them over on the CE&P forum. Pure evil at its worst. There's nothing christian going on over there. Just a whole lot of thinking from the 19th Century. It seems some people would still prefer the dark ages. I like to hope that it's just the "worst of the worst" that bother to post the crazy stuff over in that forum. I agree with you, they seem to want the world to be blasted back to the stone age.
2/8/2010 12:11:31 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
slapstick_37 Minneapolis, MN 62, joined Nov. 2009	I have to laugh.........."back to the Stone Age". The picture that came to my mind was of the men dragging the women by their hair back to the cave, and the women chewing fur to make hides.... Yes, that might suit some of those folks.
2/11/2010 7:32:23 PM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
coolchick Woodway, TX 64, joined Nov. 2006	Quote from slapstick_37: I have to laugh.........."back to the Stone Age". The picture that came to my mind was of the men dragging the women by their hair back to the cave, and the women chewing fur to make hides.... Yes, that might suit some of those folks. Ug! Me Limbaugh, you woman. Me need Hydrocodone. You got prescription?
2/12/2010 12:05:28 AM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
myklphone Milwaukee, WI 62, joined Jan. 2010	Wrong stuff coolchick. Me want oxycontin!!!! Ugh.
2/21/2010 9:28:52 AM	Stick a fork in health care reform, its done...
kire42 Champaign, IL 40, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from coolchick: Ug! Me Limbaugh, you woman. Me need Hydrocodone. You got prescription? hee hee funny

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