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9/18/2011 8:56:26 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Christianity and islamic beliefs to my mind parallel religions(in a broad sense) they sprang from the same Ideas and both have an agenda to do away with any nonbelievers in one form or the other.since they are the predominant faiths in the western world? I would like to hear everyones opinions about the parallel religions. and the possible reprocussions of a clash between the 2.

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9/18/2011 8:58:49 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
librajason
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They all suck equally, I say.

9/18/2011 11:14:24 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Both want full control...and the idiots of this world will make possible for one to obtain it.

9/18/2011 12:15:43 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
dpdrinker23
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,627)
Fredericktown, MO
30, joined Aug. 2011


what duchessa said



[Edited 9/18/2011 12:16:31 PM ]

9/18/2011 6:15:26 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
maruli
Mönchengladbach
Germany
68, joined May. 2011


Islam is worse for women. It allows a man four wives and countless concubines. No matter how the women perceive it, cheating is not possible for an islamis man, he is not obliged to be faithful by his religions. Christian men cheat in defiance and disobedience to their religion.

9/18/2011 7:52:37 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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librajason

Hi, libra....I didn't know you were an Atheist

9/18/2011 9:13:43 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
librajason
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Sure am......Invisible people I never hear from don't hold a whole helluvalotta credibility with me.

9/18/2011 10:14:36 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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librajason

Welcome to the group

9/19/2011 5:08:18 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
librajason
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Thanks Duchess.




9/19/2011 5:35:06 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
librajason
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I'm also anti-Obama

9/19/2011 8:14:16 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from librajason:
I'm also anti-Obama


I am anti "politics"

kink...sorry, I went OT

9/19/2011 8:59:35 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
gjlover
Over 2,000 Posts (2,833)
Grand Junction, CO
53, joined Aug. 2010


I don't think Islam or Christianity are all that different from any religion, other than they made it to be the top two religions in the world. That has more to do with the societies that have those religions being successful as conquerors than any inherent quality to the religion.

All religions don't want you to be exposed to other religions. That brings outside thought and views in. Religions can't survive that, if they want to remain pure to themselves. For example, once people start to question the premise that the Earth is not 6,000 years old, then all of the Christian religion's premise's comes into question. Best not to ask any questions, and the best way to ensure that is to not be exposed to new ideas or thoughts.

9/19/2011 9:19:39 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from gjlover:
I don't think Islam or Christianity are all that different from any religion, other than they made it to be the top two religions in the world..


IMHO religions are all "offenders"....Any and all means to stop reasoning are offenders.

9/19/2011 9:28:41 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
gjlover
Over 2,000 Posts (2,833)
Grand Junction, CO
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Tao and Zen are not that way. But, those are more philosophies than religons.

However, most religons are quite exclusive of outside influence. Wonder why, is the premise that weak that it has to be protected from outside influences?

9/19/2011 9:41:15 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from gjlover:
Tao and Zen are not that way. But, those are more philosophies than religons.

However, most religons are quite exclusive of outside influence. Wonder why, is the premise that weak that it has to be protected from outside influences?


As you said...those two are not religions but philosophies...as are Buddhism and Hinduism

You ask if the "premise is that weak..." Indeed, nothing based on a negative or false statement will ever be strong.

9/19/2011 2:14:19 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Quote from gjlover:
I don't think Islam or Christianity are all that different from any religion, other than they made it to be the top two religions in the world. That has more to do with the societies that have those religions being successful as conquerors than any inherent quality to the religion.

All religions don't want you to be exposed to other religions. That brings outside thought and views in. Religions can't survive that, if they want to remain pure to themselves. For example, once people start to question the premise that the Earth is not 6,000 years old, then all of the Christian religion's premise's comes into question. Best not to ask any questions, and the best way to ensure that is to not be exposed to new ideas or thoughts.



It's not so much that the two religions have ridden on the coattails of sociieties it's the fact that they have driven these societies to conquor in their name.
the religions have been a driving force in the past and altho they have been less blatant about it in recent times it still is a motivation in politics.
The U.S. is involved in multiple wars due to politics that are endorsed by the religions.
Does this scare anyone?
both religions have fringe elements who want to bring about total war to bring about the stated end of the world to hasten the comming of their gods return.

9/19/2011 3:26:15 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from kinkaju:
at are endorsed by the religions.
Does this scare anyone?
both religions have fringe elements who want to bring about total war to bring about the stated end of the world to hasten the coming of their gods return.


Although I take the message encode in your post quite seriously...I don't thing it will ever come to pass; I refuse to believe people are so blind as to allow it to happen.

9/19/2011 5:01:09 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
gjlover
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Quote from duchessa:
Although I take the message encode in your post quite seriously...I don't thing it will ever come to pass; I refuse to believe people are so blind as to allow it to happen.


Why, we let Cheney and Bush invade a country that did nothing to us based on a series of lies proven wrong replaced with more lies. Problem is, some of the crazy people have access to armies, so the sane people have to react with their armies.

9/19/2011 5:58:41 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Quote from duchessa:
Although I take the message encode in your post quite seriously...I don't thing it will ever come to pass; I refuse to believe people are so blind as to allow it to happen.



Duchessa people do allow this to happen very often .ie hitler, stalin, tojo, pol pot, edie amin the list is endless .the differnce is now its easy to wage war from any where in the world.
The world has gotten so small that it is relativly easy to start a war any where at any time.

9/19/2011 6:57:36 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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kinkaju & gilover....Yes, I guess my hopes for a better world took me to la la land.

9/19/2011 7:08:59 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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We can allways hope for a better world but we must stay aware of the dangers too

9/19/2011 7:52:40 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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9/19/2011 7:54:26 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from kinkaju:
We can allways hope for a better world but we must stay aware of the dangers too


Because I am aware is that I want to move out of NY; I have this silly idea a rural life is a lot saner than the one in the cities.

9/19/2011 9:15:32 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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I have been saying that for years.

9/20/2011 8:18:46 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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My Christianity thread has been deleted....Well, I have another one in the making.

9/20/2011 10:31:30 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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I guess the christian censorship is alive and well here on Dh.

9/20/2011 12:45:23 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from kinkaju:
I guess the christian censorship is alive and well here on Dh.


I bet they will not delete the one that is coming soon...is about the money the church is not paying but should.

9/20/2011 12:46:14 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from kinkaju:
I guess the christian censorship is alive and well here on Dh.


their flagging shows they are afraid...I love it.

9/20/2011 1:15:43 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Of course they are afraid they can't stand up to examination .they fear all questioning of their fairy tail beliefs.Not unlike the 3 little pigs in a church made of straw.

9/20/2011 2:58:55 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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I will give them a breather before i start with the "Crime & Punishment"....I will not be indulgent.



[Edited 9/20/2011 2:59:26 PM ]

9/21/2011 2:24:34 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
jennyluv04
Over 2,000 Posts (2,450)
Pico Rivera, CA
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i believe they all suck too...however, Christianity more because they act like they are holier(idk if i spelled that rite) then thou and they claim to love everyone when thats bs...

9/21/2011 3:32:47 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
gjlover
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Grand Junction, CO
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They only show their unconditional love to those who think and believe the same way they do.

9/21/2011 7:13:02 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from gjlover:
They only show their unconditional love to those who think and believe the same way they do.


Selective love is not love at all.

9/21/2011 10:30:22 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
dpdrinker23
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Quote from duchessa:
Selective love is not love at all.



qft

9/22/2011 12:36:45 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
jennyluv04
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Pico Rivera, CA
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Quote from duchessa:
Selective love is not love at all.


exactly!

9/22/2011 3:10:30 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from jennyluv04:
Christianity more because they act like they are holier(idk if i spelled that rite) then thou


Ignorance has a way to feel superior...Too bad the believers don't see the damage they help to perpetuate.

9/22/2011 3:14:47 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
jennyluv04
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Quote from duchessa:
Ignorance has a way to feel superior...Too bad the believers don't see the damage they help to perpetuate.


thank u!! u read my mind

9/22/2011 4:54:22 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from jennyluv04:
thank u!! u read my mind


The sad side, again, is how bad their ignorance hampers mankind. Stem cells research comes to mind.

9/22/2011 5:49:43 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

whays
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Christianity, Judaism, Islam, are the faiths based on the Abramhic myth.

9/22/2011 7:03:25 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from whays:
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, are the faiths based on the Abramhic myth.


Darling, all religions are myths....and are used to manipulate people...yes, as much as the racism you always parade around.

9/23/2011 9:36:54 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
lcbotzz
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Staten Island, NY
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scientology sucks even more....they actually have tom cruise in my face every damn week on tv praising it

9/24/2011 10:34:39 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Booneville, AR
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Quote from lcbotzz:
scientology sucks even more....they actually have tom cruise in my face every damn week on tv praising it



Iccy I think to fact that Tom Cruise is on T.V. is no where close to the invasion of multiple countrys?
not saying scientology is a harmless religion.But it doesn't hold a candle to christianity or muslims when it comes to harm to mankind.

9/24/2011 5:02:23 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

walteb
Locust Grove, OK
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When the Athiests in Tulsa, Ok. put up billboards, you would not believe the online coments from the Christian community. Some were outright threats. I knew the billboards would stir things up, but I couldn't belive the hatred in some of the posts. Never heard from the Muslem community.

9/25/2011 10:14:33 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from walteb:
When the Athiests in Tulsa, Ok. put up billboards, you would not believe the online coments from the Christian community. Some were outright threats. I knew the billboards would stir things up, but I couldn't belive the hatred in some of the posts. Never heard from the Muslem community.


Didn't you read the death threats in Facebook...the guy arrested in Canada for e/mailing death threats to Atheists?

9/25/2011 11:12:24 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Quote from walteb:
When the Athiests in Tulsa, Ok. put up billboards, you would not believe the online coments from the Christian community. Some were outright threats. I knew the billboards would stir things up, but I couldn't belive the hatred in some of the posts. Never heard from the Muslem community.



You would be surprised at how much hate is in Dh forums
I wonder why Dh inboxes don't have a "return to sender"button
Some of these christians actualy foam at the mouth and turn rabbid here

9/25/2011 11:19:45 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
fallingangel143
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I think the worst offenders are the fanatics that take bits and pieces from their religious doctrines or from preachers and form a misguided, uninformative interpretation to condone their behaviors. It is a bunch of hypocrites that use religion as a means to justify their condescending, ignorant behaviors, beliefs and attitudes onto others.

9/25/2011 11:25:12 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
fallingangel143
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And I am referring to fanatics in all organized religions ... not just one or the other.

9/25/2011 11:47:50 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
muldoon1959
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My assertion is and always has been that the only difference
between the two is that western society has managed to stip
the religious leaders of any "real" power.

It's unfortunate that christians have a mental block when it comes to
their own history.

They all have this "that was then and this is now" mentality.
They all forget about the series of events through out history
that should be a warning to what can and has happened when you give these
leaders true power.

Everything from the dark ages to the inquisition to the burning of witches.

Power has been given and stripped (albeit not completely until recently) several times over.
What's frightening is that the religious leaders are counting on this short term memory
in order to seize control once again.
"But that was then and this is now and that would never happen again......right?"

9/25/2011 11:51:46 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Absolutley this is a recuring danger.
those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.



[Edited 9/25/2011 11:52:54 AM ]

9/25/2011 11:59:25 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
fallingangel143
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Quote from kinkaju:
Absolutley this is a recuring danger.
those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.


very sad but true!

I teach history and there are sadly so many guidelines on what you can and cannot teach in schools. Everything needs to be "politically correct."

9/25/2011 4:06:22 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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What strange if you hear a minister in church he is telling the congregation "The bible is the virtual word of god"
Then after the service if you get in a debate with him he will point out that you can't take the scripture litarly thats just a parable or thats the old testament you must follow jesus's teachings.And in a couple of weeks later you read he was caught with a prostitute in a hotel room.

True story!!(my first wife was a second cousin to Jimmy Swaggert)

9/25/2011 4:27:01 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from fallingangel143:
very sad but true!

I teach history and there are sadly so many guidelines on what you can and cannot teach in schools. Everything needs to be "politically correct."


I was a teacher of Spanish Literature until 6/28. Needless to say in order to teach Lit. you must visit History...Well, colleague, the least I did was to care about PC....I forced my students to question everything and more, to research all possible ways, to ignore political correctness and to present their ideas in any way they wanted as long as they were respectful of e/o.

BTW, in all my years as a pedagogue I never read a memo....

9/25/2011 4:28:29 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from kinkaju:


True story!!(my first wife was a second cousin to Jimmy Swaggert)


I bet he was always watching around.

9/25/2011 5:38:52 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Quote from duchessa:
I bet he was always watching around.



He was a typical repressed hipocrite ,very sneaky but allways looking

9/26/2011 12:12:59 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
brock_hardwood
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Fairfield, CA
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Any population that is willing to accept faith as a valid form of evidence can be convinced of anything. No religion is worse than any other. The real culprit is poverty and those who would use the tool of religion in what ever form, to convince those in despair that someone else is to blame.

If Christianity has the illusion of being more peaceful, it is only because relatively wealthy people don't strap bombs to their chest. They don't feel the compelling need to.

10/13/2011 11:49:56 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
kinkaju
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Booneville, AR
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To my view(admittedly limited) I compare them to snakes christianity is like the copperhead snake it is quiet about its danger but still very dangerous.
muslims are the rattlesnake they at least make a warning noise before they strike.
the copperhead makes no warning they just strike blindly.
BTW both are pit vipers (same family)

10/13/2011 8:45:56 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  

duchessa
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Quote from kinkaju:
To my view(admittedly limited) I compare them to snakes christianity is like the copperhead snake it is quiet about its danger but still very dangerous.
muslims are the rattlesnake they at least make a warning noise before they strike.
the copperhead makes no warning they just strike blindly.
BTW both are pit vipers (same family)



Yarará for the Mormons and Boa constrictor for the Jewish?

12/7/2011 10:08:44 AM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
jthedemon
Cincinnati, OH
42, joined Dec. 2011


TO respond to the thread question:
They all suck, and there are 3 Abrahamic religions, not 2.

12/24/2011 8:28:55 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
av6827
Peoria, AZ
40, joined Dec. 2011


Quote from kinkaju:
Christianity and islamic beliefs to my mind parallel religions(in a broad sense) they sprang from the same Ideas and both have an agenda to do away with any nonbelievers in one form or the other.since they are the predominant faiths in the western world? I would like to hear everyones opinions about the parallel religions. and the possible reprocussions of a clash between the 2.


I disagree with you while both religiobs worship a higher being or entity. Niether religion will say god and allah are one on the same if that is the case there would be less of a reason for a holy war. And christinanty is only big cause of the many different sects that call themselves christians. It like saying pitbulls account for all the dogs that attck humans when that is not true so let get facts straight so there are some similarities but not enough facts the make a bold statemeny that parrellel each other.

12/24/2011 11:38:18 PM Compare side by side 2 religions ,which is the worst offender?  
punkgoddess67
Laughlin, NV
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Quote from duchessa:
I am anti "politics"

kink...sorry, I went OT





Until there is someone worthy of my vote, I refuse to do so. And I have the right to b*tch and moan because I did not put any of them in office. George Carlin says it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

Sorry, not sure how to post the video other than this.



[Edited 12/24/2011 11:39:26 PM ]