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2/26/2012 6:33:04 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
30, joined Aug. 2011


I am not starting an argument...nor am I bashing anyone's opinion. I just have one question...just one, and I'd like for someone to really think about it and respond.

I don't quite understand whether Atheism is JUST anti-religious or both anti-religious and anti-God. Maybe someone can make that a part of their answer, idk.

My question is what does religion have to do with God?

It may be hard to absorb the full scope of the idea of God and the full scope of what religion actually is, but it is a FACT that religion and God are not even in the same universe as each other.

As a scholar, a lover of fiction, and an avid reader of Philosophy; I have NEVER come to be aware of a single text, historical event, or social practice that wasn't riddled with HUMAN ideals of what is right.

Human meaning we are motivated by both physical AND mental desires/needs/situations, unlike any other creature on hurt. An animal predator hunts for the food, and human predator hunts for the thrill...that kind of thing.

Except in the moments we are laughing from joy, crying from fear or sadness, or shouting from anger, human beings have absolutely nothing in common in their daily lives.

Even if it appears that any two or more people are the same on the outside, on the inside we each live in an individual hierarchy of wants and needs that NO OTHER PERSON COULD POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND. Like our fingerprints, our very minds, consciousness and existence are individual to us...affecting every process of our minds/bodies, and how we absorb information.

So, being that a human being has RARELY been able to have a perspective that genuinely reflects what is good for ALL people (something that would be undoubtedly present if they had a genuine message from the actual "Creator"), it makes perfect sense that religion lacks the same thing on a larger scale.

Religion is simply the result of whatever MALE had the most power and influence, regardless of whether his intentions were for good or ill...and that is true for every single religion in the world.

I do not see how understanding that about religion disproves the existence of God, or even explains the nature of God on a human level of understanding.

Hopefully, after reading all that, you get what I'm trying to say. I hope someone actually takes the time to respond...because I am trying to understand a perspective that is highly taboo, and rarely discussed. Everyvtime someone mentions Atheism, I have an automatic negative reaction...and I know that is wrong. I know that is stereotypical and ignorant...and I don't wish to be that way.

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2/26/2012 6:42:37 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

skiwino
Over 2,000 Posts (2,427)
Redford, MI
55, joined Feb. 2007


Quote from juceekinz:
I am not starting an argument...nor am I bashing anyone's opinion. I just have one question...just one, and I'd like for someone to really think about it and respond.

I don't quite understand whether Atheism is JUST anti-religious or both anti-religious and anti-God. Maybe someone can make that a part of their answer, idk.

My question is what does religion have to do with God?

It may be hard to absorb the full scope of the idea of God and the full scope of what religion actually is, but it is a FACT that religion and God are not even in the same universe as each other.

As a scholar, a lover of fiction, and an avid reader of Philosophy; I have NEVER come to be aware of a single text, historical event, or social practice that wasn't riddled with HUMAN ideals of what is right.

Human meaning we are motivated by both physical AND mental desires/needs/situations, unlike any other creature on hurt. An animal predator hunts for the food, and human predator hunts for the thrill...that kind of thing.

Except in the moments we are laughing from joy, crying from fear or sadness, or shouting from anger, human beings have absolutely nothing in common in their daily lives.

Even if it appears that any two or more people are the same on the outside, on the inside we each live in an individual hierarchy of wants and needs that NO OTHER PERSON COULD POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND. Like our fingerprints, our very minds, consciousness and existence are individual to us...affecting every process of our minds/bodies, and how we absorb information.

So, being that a human being has RARELY been able to have a perspective that genuinely reflects what is good for ALL people (something that would be undoubtedly present if they had a genuine message from the actual "Creator"), it makes perfect sense that religion lacks the same thing on a larger scale.

Religion is simply the result of whatever MALE had the most power and influence, regardless of whether his intentions were for good or ill...and that is true for every single religion in the world.

I do not see how understanding that about religion disproves the existence of God, or even explains the nature of God on a human level of understanding.

Hopefully, after reading all that, you get what I'm trying to say. I hope someone actually takes the time to respond...because I am trying to understand a perspective that is highly taboo, and rarely discussed. Everyvtime someone mentions Atheism, I have an automatic negative reaction...and I know that is wrong. I know that is stereotypical and ignorant...and I don't wish to be that way.


Religion has everything to do with "God" if that is what you believe. If you believe in a god or gods or a mystical "higher power" then you are religious.

2/26/2012 6:52:49 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
tubalcain1492
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Are you Trolling?

2/26/2012 8:36:23 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

duchessa
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Atheists don't believe in the existence of god.
Religion? Is the tool few wise men has used since the times of the times to benefit from the sacrifice and sorrow of many.

Religion and god, as pointed few posts above, are slices of the same tasteless pizza.


2/26/2012 9:01:32 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
30, joined Aug. 2011


Quote from duchessa:
Atheists don't believe in the existence of god.
Religion? Is the tool few wise men has used since the times of the times to benefit from the sacrifice and sorrow of many.

Religion and god, as pointed few posts above, are slices of the same tasteless pizza.


See...this is not a well-thought answer...

Saying God and religion are the same is not actually providing reasons why they are the same...

2/26/2012 9:02:12 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
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Quote from tubalcain1492:
Are you Trolling?


I don't even know what that means...and yet, I'm still fairly sure it was an idiotic thing to say...

2/26/2012 9:10:02 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
tubalcain1492
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Quote from juceekinz:
I don't even know what that means...and yet, I'm still fairly sure it was an idiotic thing to say...


In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted".
While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[5][6]

2/26/2012 9:52:41 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
30, joined Aug. 2011


Quote from skiwino:
Religion has everything to do with "God" if that is what you believe. If you believe in a god or gods or a mystical "higher power" then you are religious.


Don't you need rituals, canons, and a deity of your understanding to actually practice a religion?

If you don't practice a religion, how can you be religious?

2/26/2012 9:59:28 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
30, joined Aug. 2011


Quote from tubalcain1492:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted".
While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[5][6]


Wow...defaces Internet tribute sites...I thought I asked a genuine question, and gave background into the perspective I was asking it from. Trolling?

Yea...I still maintain that was an idiotic thing to say, and now that I'm aware, just plain mean. Since I'm apparently asking a genuine question the WRONG way, maybe you can tell me the right way...

I thought asking the people who would actually know was the right thing to do...I even gave a disclaimer about wanting well-thought out answers....

and instead, I get "religion and God are the same" and "are you trolling?"

2/26/2012 10:06:13 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

duchessa
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Quote from juceekinz:
See...this is not a
well-thought answer...

Saying God and religion are the same is not actually providing reasons why they are the same...


The fact you are incapable of understanding my answer doesn't mean is not a well-thought one.

Lady, your arrogant attitude is pathetic.

You are blocked.


2/26/2012 10:13:11 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
tubalcain1492
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Anyone that starts a conversation off by saying "I am not trying to start an argument" is out for trouble. You also said and I quote " Everyvtime someone mentions Atheism, I have an automatic negative reaction". You are a troll and you are trolling. Your question has been answered move one.

2/26/2012 10:20:31 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

skiwino
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Redford, MI
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Quote from juceekinz:
Don't you need rituals, canons, and a deity of your understanding to actually practice a religion?

If you don't practice a religion, how can you be religious?



Religion is belief in a supernatural power. If you believe you are religious; you don't have to practice anything.

2/26/2012 10:24:17 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
30, joined Aug. 2011


Quote from tubalcain1492:
Anyone that starts a conversation off by saying "I am not trying to start an argument" is out for trouble. You also said and I quote " Everyvtime someone mentions Atheism, I have an automatic negative reaction". You are a troll and you are trolling. Your question has been answered move one.



I also said I AM TRYING TO WORK ON THAT.

That was the point of this whole thing...

So...?

2/26/2012 10:25:20 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
30, joined Aug. 2011


Quote from tubalcain1492:
Anyone that starts a conversation off by saying "I am not trying to start an argument" is out for trouble. You also said and I quote " Everyvtime someone mentions Atheism, I have an automatic negative reaction". You are a troll and you are trolling. Your question has been answered move one.


And oh yea, should I have started out saying "I am not trolling?" Would that have been better for you?

2/26/2012 10:33:38 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
tubalcain1492
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You are trolling... This is a group for atheist. It is obvious that you are not an atheist.

2/26/2012 10:36:05 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
30, joined Aug. 2011


lol...MY arrogant attitude is pathetic?

but your complete inability to explain yourself is not? like i said in the original post, i wanted well thought out answers. i have no idea if you participate in debates, or critical writing, but in either, you're supposed to give actual support for your answers.

As of yet, nobody has explained why God and religion are the same. Nobody has talked about social factors, such as mental and emotional processes of interacting human beings, or economics or demographics, or ANY of the aspects of human life that are affected by what we choose to believe (or not believe) in.

i don't understand what is so hard about what I am asking?

granted, it might be possible for a person reading this to infer a LITTLE about what I may or may not believe, but

i'm asking a question...and i'd like an answer...its that simple.

getting mad at me because i know the difference between a thorough answer and a lazy one is not very mature.

2/26/2012 10:38:06 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
juceekinz
Cleveland, OH
30, joined Aug. 2011


...should I go ask Christians about atheists?

2/26/2012 10:52:20 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

skiwino
Over 2,000 Posts (2,427)
Redford, MI
55, joined Feb. 2007


Quote from juceekinz:
lol...MY arrogant attitude is pathetic?

but your complete inability to explain yourself is not? like i said in the original post, i wanted well thought out answers. i have no idea if you participate in debates, or critical writing, but in either, you're supposed to give actual support for your answers.

As of yet, nobody has explained why God and religion are the same. Nobody has talked about social factors, such as mental and emotional processes of interacting human beings, or economics or demographics, or ANY of the aspects of human life that are affected by what we choose to believe (or not believe) in.

i don't understand what is so hard about what I am asking?

granted, it might be possible for a person reading this to infer a LITTLE about what I may or may not believe, but

i'm asking a question...and i'd like an answer...its that simple.

getting mad at me because i know the difference between a thorough answer and a lazy one is not very mature.
"

"My question is what does religion have to do with God?" This is the only question you asked; this is the question I answered. What more are you looking for?

3/2/2012 3:46:01 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
wasaqueen
Seymour, IN
71, joined Feb. 2012


I would say that religion is one mans thinking he has the ability to comprehend what god is about and others end up worshiping him, [Jesus, Budda or Mohamad].

In fact, each man has to come to their own understanding in a way that they can comprehend. I do not need to comprehend because I am incapabal and I understand that. If a god spoke to one he would have spoke to all because "God is not a respecter of men", so your money or standing among men means nothing to god. People often claim to be christian but they have never even read what Jesus said.

Someone told me a long time ago to get a red letter addition of the New Testement, Words Jesus himself spoke are in red and not what the writer interprets for him; YOU WILL FIND A JESUS YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT. I did and he was right.

3/3/2012 12:32:14 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

skiwino
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Redford, MI
55, joined Feb. 2007


Quote from wasaqueen:
I would say that religion is one mans thinking he has the ability to comprehend what god is about and others end up worshiping him, [Jesus, Budda or Mohamad].

In fact, each man has to come to their own understanding in a way that they can comprehend. I do not need to comprehend because I am incapabal and I understand that. If a god spoke to one he would have spoke to all because "God is not a respecter of men", so your money or standing among men means nothing to god. People often claim to be christian but they have never even read what Jesus said.

Someone told me a long time ago to get a red letter addition of the New Testement, Words Jesus himself spoke are in red and not what the writer interprets for him; YOU WILL FIND A JESUS YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT. I did and he was right.


Whatever you believe about a god, gods, or other supernatural powers; if you believe in any of them then that is your religion and you are religious. This is not the group for you.



[Edited 3/3/2012 12:34:26 AM ]

3/3/2012 10:34:05 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
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You're asking if atheists are anti-religious, anti-god, or both.
When it really comes down to it, we're none of the above.

What we are, is anti-intrusion.

I can't speak for all atheists,
I can ony really speak for myself, but I suspect that many feel the same way.
I don't really care what you belive or choose to worship.
It's none of my business.

What I do care about, is when you start trying to force me to belive in the same things
you belive, or try to depict me as someting evil because I don't and won't.

I care when you start trying to use those beliefs as justification to strip away basic human rights.

I'm perfectly happy to leave you alone and let you live your life the way you
choose.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to be willing to reciprocate that.

You feel the need to encroach on my life and make laws and judgements on how I should live my life based on your set of beliefs and values.

Now that I'm tired of it and fighting back, you want to claim that I'm "waging war" on religion.

The reality is, religion has been waging war on me. And I'm just not going to sit back and take it anymore.

3/3/2012 12:33:34 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
waverunnr
Abington, PA
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As a secular humanist, I am against religion AND god.

Both things are fcuking up the world.

3/4/2012 5:23:18 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
royalalberthall
Detroit, MI
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-from duchessa Atheists don't believe in the existence of god.
Religion? Is the tool few wise men has used since the times of the times to benefit from the sacrifice and sorrow of many.

Religion and god, as pointed few posts above, are slices of the same tasteless pizza.


I think it's very well thought out, straight forward and right on.

3/10/2012 10:10:35 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

walteb
Locust Grove, OK
63, joined May. 2011


Quote from muldoon1959:
You're asking if atheists are anti-religious, anti-god, or both.
When it really comes down to it, we're none of the above.

What we are, is anti-intrusion.

I can't speak for all atheists,
I can ony really speak for myself, but I suspect that many feel the same way.
I don't really care what you belive or choose to worship.
It's none of my business.

What I do care about, is when you start trying to force me to belive in the same things
you belive, or try to depict me as someting evil because I don't and won't.

I care when you start trying to use those beliefs as justification to strip away basic human rights.

I'm perfectly happy to leave you alone and let you live your life the way you
choose.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to be willing to reciprocate that.

You feel the need to encroach on my life and make laws and judgements on how I should live my life based on your set of beliefs and values.

Now that I'm tired of it and fighting back, you want to claim that I'm "waging war" on religion.

The reality is, religion has been waging war on me. And I'm just not going to sit back and take it anymore.


I whole heartly agree with you. I don't care what others believe as long as they leave me alone.

3/12/2012 9:57:04 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
funches
Chicago, IL
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Quote from juceekinz:

My question is what does religion have to do with God?


religion are the laws to ritualistic behavior used to appease a supernatural entity...

3/14/2012 9:29:38 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
ohmalley
La Salle, IL
38, joined Feb. 2012


Here is what atheism means TO ME, since you asked.

Before I understood the science of a world not made by a supreme being I already knew that
1. I just don't care (I was an atheist at eleven)
2. Religion is a political discipline. It gives a structure for adherents and unfortunately even non-adherents to follow. A set of acceptable and non-acceptable behaviors with clear consequences for transgressors. But if I break these laws my punishment is after death? Bueno-cuz I don't believe that.
3. God is a concept. Some people need god. I don't.

Some people are desperately lonely, some are scared at the idea that we are floating unprotected out here in the abyss, some are convinced that life should have meaning instead of just be a random event, some are afraid of what happens when we die (though it may just be fear of hell itself), some people are just so happy to be alive that they feel the need to have someone to thank, some people crave the direction of a parental figure and are comforted by the structure, some people are bargainers or are hedging their bets- if I do this I will be protected from this.

Myself, I don't care what happens when I die. I simply want my body to have been of some use so no burial for me. I don't fear hell since I don't believe it exists. If it is a place, then I should be able to get there while alive. My sense of reason takes over when discussing that.

God (not talking about religion- I mean ur god her god, whatever) tends to be a concept people have to explain the myriad of questions they have. I don't have those questions. That's not to say I've lived an unexamined life. But, questions like "Why do bad things happen to good people?" It seems obvious to me that random things happen regardless of who you are and I assume that it has nothing to do with me personally. If per-literate peoples were afraid of the harsh conditions of life or even a lightning storm then maybe they needed god. But I understand lightning. God, real or unreal is irrelevant in my daily life.

I acknowledge that I don't have all the answers. For instance, the soul. I believe what makes me who I am is my collective-my brain. But why did I smell my grandmother in my room that she never even saw-her distinct smell, not her soap or perfume. The difference is that I don't need to have them all and I find it arrogant when someone else thinks they do.

However, I am also an anti-xian. That happened as a direct result of growing up an atheist being mistreated by "good xians" trying to save me. But, that's just xians. I don't have a problem with the majority of other religions that do not seek converts.

But this is JUST ME.

3/16/2012 6:48:53 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
funches
Chicago, IL
61, joined Nov. 2009


Quote from juceekinz:
I don't quite understand whether Atheism is JUST anti-religious or both anti-religious and anti-God.


perhaps more anti-delusional

think of it as a Chicken and Egg philosophy question

which came first...Atheism or Theism? ...and Why?

3/17/2012 12:46:07 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

thisiswar2
Fredericktown, MO
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Quote from funches:
perhaps more anti-delusional

think of it as a Chicken and Egg philosophy question

which came first...Atheism or Theism? ...and Why?



Well I say think also of this. Which came first mans imagination or mans will to want to live forever?

3/17/2012 8:15:26 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
funches
Chicago, IL
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which came first..... hearing voices from an unprovable invisible entity ...or psychiatry?

3/17/2012 9:17:41 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
webh
New York, NY
64, joined Jul. 2011


Just a general question: "Is organized religion(s) past usefulness as a cultural institution to promote the idea that we are all members of one human family?

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muldoon1959
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I'm inclined to think that organized religion is what prevents us
from being part of one human family.
Its very nature creates divisions not solves them.

6/27/2012 8:17:20 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from juceekinz:
Don't you need rituals, canons, and a deity of your understanding to actually practice a religion?

If you don't practice a religion, how can you be religious?


there are several definitions of the word 'religion' and one of them is a belief in a deity or god. i use that definition to clarify the point when i speak of religion. so a theist believs in a deity and an atheist does not. that's not to say that an atheist believes it to be fact that there is no god although that seems to be the stance of a 'strong' atheist. i'm agnostic so i can't know either way.

6/27/2012 9:33:10 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
pinguinorojo
Johnson City, NY
31, joined Feb. 2010


Op, Atheists don't believe in the concept of 'god', whatever believers think 'god' is. There is no omnipotent or omniscient being, nature isn't a manifestation of 'god', the universe is not because of some intelligent design, there are no gods living in mount Olympus, there isn't a god in a volcano or the ocean... nothing happens after you die.

What does the concept of 'god' have to do with religion? Well, I don't know of a single religion that does not venerate a god-like being or force.

6/30/2012 10:38:19 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
4funalways
Sutton, NE
44, joined Jun. 2012


god or any all powerful being is an idea, a theory if you will

religion is man using that idea as a crutch to get through life, as in they cannot deal with life so they need something to anchor themselves to or with. Follower.

religious, a follower whom blindly follows because they don't have the fortitude to accept the truth

organized religion, a tool used by a few to sucker millions of followers into doing and thinking what they want them too, no matter what name they use to call their imaginary god by, along the same lines as mass mind control.

just my point of view, I don't go around telling and arguing my point of view or try to convert anyone, to each his own, just please don't try to convert me, you will lose.

7/6/2012 6:23:45 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
alexandraintx
Indianapolis, IN
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God is a concept that sprang from the fearful mind of Superstitious Stone Age man prior to the advent of science, back when the world seemed such a scary and magical place. God, therefore, is the Boogeyman that kept early man on his toes, alert to danger, and also inspired exploration and examination of the wondrous, magical things that were found or experienced.

Unfortunately, opportunistic bullies among early mankind soon created the first religions based on using the fear of the Boogeyman to control other people so the bullies could be the ones to gain power and prestige and get their way.

Then and now, religion was created by the educated few to subjugate the uneducated masses. A religion is a set of rules and punishments and sometimes rewards that you can expect if you follow or break the rules designed by the creator of the religion. Most religions are later modified by the next generation of bullies to assume power as the religion's leaders.

The relationship between God and religion is that religions each tend to have a Boogeyman God of one sort or another (or many in some cases) that is the mystical, imaginary overseer of your private thoughts and actions who will punish you if you don't do what the bullies instruct you to do. It'd be tough to have a religion without an all-seeing God. God doesn't exist alone for long as a concept before someone creates a religion to attach.

Humankind may have benefited from the concept of God in early pre-history if the beginning awareness of the flow of life kept mankind alert enough to survive long enough to evolve into a thinking species. But Mankind is no longer a child who needs to fear the Boogeyman to stay safe. It's long past time to let go of the Stupid-Stitions so many hold so dear... and please STOP brainwashing the next generation of children to propagate this garbage for millenia more.

The simple truth is that we are ALL born Atheists on this planet. Then the various religious indoctrinations and brainwashings begin soon after birth. Children are taught to believe what their parents tell them without question. When a child eventually learns that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are not real, they should also begin to understand that whatever deity they have been told about is also just as much a figment of the imagination.



9/15/2012 9:01:38 PM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
megs827
Owatonna, MN
29, joined Aug. 2012


The reason that god and religion go hand and hand is that not everyone considers "god" to be the same entity as Christians do. Every organized religion has a "god" or higher power of some sort. The fact that a group of people shares the same set of beliefs, worships the same deity, etc. is what makes a group an organized religion.

9/16/2012 8:11:07 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  

duchessa
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (40,398)
Yonkers, NY
63, joined Aug. 2008


Quote from juceekinz:

As of yet, nobody has explained why God and religion are the same.



Many explanations have been given...but you won't see them.

See, god and religion are the same because one of the two -religion- was developed to support the other....and since the concept of god is nothing else but a load of manure religion (dogma) is also manure.
I hope, now, you can understand why god and religion are the same. Bye.

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bradm29
Grand Junction, CO
35, joined May. 2012


Well I certainly Cabot speak for all athiests, and most certainly do not identify with the self righteous, arrogance many here have shown you. what I can say is that the word atheist can be broken into two parts the a prefix meaning non or anti, and the word theist, reffering to theism a.k.a. the belief in a God or gods, specifically as the Creator and ruler of the world. Weather or not that deffinotion holds true is up to each individual. Just like wheather or not homosexuality should be condemned, or abortion acceptable is a personal choice people of many differing religious persuasions must make. Personally I recognise that as a race humanity has only figured out enough through science to know that we have no idea what's really going on and if you question that, then solve the quantum paradox for me. Or explain why hisenbergs uncertainty principal phantom been surpassed. We are a relatively youn race of biengs with a very very small understanding of very little, and our arrogance is sometimes asstounding both from the religiouse and a-theist alike



[Edited 9/16/2012 8:53:46 PM ]

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imryan337
Youngsville, LA
36, joined Sep. 2012


The question that needs to be asked is, do you pray to a personal God? If you say yes, you are religious.

God is used to explain what we have yet to figure out. If there is something that you truly can not grasp or understand, we humans insert "God" to balance off our ignorance.

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gkt911
Salt Lake City, UT
40, joined May. 2012


You don't have one without the other maybe the question wasn't well thought out

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belphegor1943
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Austin, TX
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Quote from bradm29:
Well I certainly Cabot speak for all athiests, and most certainly do not identify with the self righteous, arrogance many here have shown you. what I can say is that the word atheist can be broken into two parts the a prefix meaning non or anti, and the word theist, reffering to theism a.k.a. the belief in a God or gods, specifically as the Creator and ruler of the world. Weather or not that deffinotion holds true is up to each individual. Just like wheather or not homosexuality should be condemned, or abortion acceptable is a personal choice people of many differing religious persuasions must make. Personally I recognise that as a race humanity has only figured out enough through science to know that we have no idea what's really going on and if you question that, then solve the quantum paradox for me. Or explain why hisenbergs uncertainty principal phantom been surpassed. We are a relatively youn race of biengs with a very very small understanding of very little, and our arrogance is sometimes asstounding both from the religiouse and a-theist alike


About 60% of the science community are atheist and about 90% of the elite science community are atheist. These are the most educated people amoung us and are more qualified to comment on the existence of 'God' than the Pope or some preacher.

Any good scientist or philosopher will tell you, it's not the responsibility of doubters to disprove a theory, it's the responsibility of those making the claim to prove it. This has not been done. Every arguement in support of the existence of 'God' is utterly unsatisfactory.

11/24/2012 9:34:20 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
rmk13
Tampa, FL
46, joined Aug. 2012


Quote from belphegor1943:
About 60% of the science community are atheist and about 90% of the elite science community are atheist. These are the most educated people amoung us and are more qualified to comment on the existence of 'God' than the Pope or some preacher.

Any good scientist or philosopher will tell you, it's not the responsibility of doubters to disprove a theory, it's the responsibility of those making the claim to prove it. This has not been done. Every arguement in support of the existence of 'God' is utterly unsatisfactory.

Yeppers they say the burdon of proof is for a nonbeliever to prove a God doesn't exist but yet they can't even prove one does in reality just in their minds.

God doesn't exist,people who believe in him do.

11/24/2012 9:51:49 AM Genuine Question, Wanting ONLY Genuine, Well-Thought Answers!!!  
rmk13
Tampa, FL
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ooops before the spelling nazis appear i meant "burden" not burdon

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universe4u
Shapleigh, ME
37, joined Oct. 2012


What does religion have to do with God?

Religion is a perspective of separation. A person controls their world through belief. You ARE God. Separation is an illusion. You ARE God. Everything your senses interact with is a reflection/perspective. It is not the destination. Creation IS the journey. So have fun! Rediscover your inner child.

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gothic_guy
Huntington Beach, CA
50, joined Feb. 2013


I believe that "sin" is proof of disbelief. Therefore, since everybody "sins", no one truly believes.

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tercium
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Hemet, CA
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I think you are a religious christian trying to stir up trouble