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bbfaceassassin
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kimmy63
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What war on women? 
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jokethem
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Kim is waiting. I am waiting
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bbfaceassassin
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Oh so the Gov. Of Virginia didn't try to force women to have transvaginal ultra sounds. Not the conventional kind but the intrusive kind,effectively pushing for madated sexual assualts by the state ?
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jokethem
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old news, bumper sticker. Ok, lets say that is one. how many more can you list from your demo play book of the week?
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bbfaceassassin
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I guess its ok for u limp dk breezy birds to impose a dbl standard and gt your viagra subsidized but you wanna be hypocrites and sexist and tell women they can't have contraception and or cancer screenings, and mamograms either huh
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bbfaceassassin
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Once again you fail dmbphk but since this site won't let me post you can stop waiting and read up on what REPUBLICAN WOMEN not dems who acknowledge it exist. Olympia Snowe, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Lisa Murkowski are gop. So once again u display your novice debating skills.
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jokethem
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I guess its ok for u limp dk breezy birds to impose a dbl standard and gt your viagra subsidized but you wanna be hypocrites and sexist and tell women they can't have contraception and or cancer screenings, and mamograms either huh
Sir I am no more a hipicrite than I would assume you are. The difference here is you stand for one thing and I stand opossed to you. Does this make me a hipicrate?
Let me ask you this and using your own words. "tell women they can't have contraception and or cancer screenings, and mamograms either." Can you please show FACTS as to woman are going without these services because of republicans? You can give articles, charts, graphs anything. I will wait. Thank you.
PS I don't use viagra.
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wolfman91
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Do you take a pill to be that stupid and illiterate or does it just come naturally?
By the by we know you are a lying a** because you are obviously about as far left as it is possible to be but your posting in this forum
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jokethem
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Once again you fail dmbphk but since this site won't let me post you can stop waiting and read up on what REPUBLICAN WOMEN not dems who acknowledge it exist. Olympia Snowe, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Lisa Murkowski are gop. So once again u display your novice debating skills.
true each woman you listed are Gop, but Hardly conservitive. Especially Snow, votes more democraps then carter has pills. Now if you want to impress me, give me a list like Palin, Malkin, Perino, Rice, Bachmann, Brewer, Cupp along with a whole list. You give me names that think like me, then I will be impressed.
Your slowing coming around sir. By the end of next week you will be able to form a thought all on your own.
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bbfaceassassin
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Wolf what EVIDENCE have you offered. Insulting us not an offer of proof. So exactly WHAT am I lying about. I'm calling your bluff breezy bird mf. And excuse me but who the. Phk said I was here to IMPRESS YOU. A claim was made bout some Demo playbook and you and your novice a@@ was DEBUNKED. Whether their conservative or not is irrelevant to your claim that its democrats as the women mentioned ARE NOT! And palin and bakkkman are you fn serious. Lol. And do your own fn research do I look like your fn secretary. You act like you never heard of the Blount Amendment or Personhood Amendment. Or you didn't know Rush called Sandra Fluke whr and that there weren't hearings by head witch hunter Darryl Issa holding a panel on womens health with NO WOMEN ON THE PANEL. Lol this is just too easy.
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jokethem
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so bbf, can you answer my question above regarding your factual research showing where reps are dening these services to woman. Facts, not hearsay or left wing story news or blogs
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bbfaceassassin
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Oh plz. I said the Blount Amendment for starters. The Gov in Virginia, the personhood Amendment, defunding planned parenthood, your seriously gnna sit there and deny the LEGISLATIVE push across this country that attack women health. Next your gnna tell me that Darryl Issa who held hearings on womens health with no women is a democrat now huh. Or that Gov. Walker in Wisconsin DIDN'T just repeal equal pay for women. Some of the proposed legislation didn't pass like the Blount Amendment and personhood Amendment but it wasn't for lack of trying. I recommend you watch a lil more cspan and actually listen to what is said and voted on instead of just 30 sec soundbytes from media
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kimmy63
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I have a job pay my insurance so I can get a mamagram and if I needed birth control I could get it.
People can have more choices if they work.I'm not asking anybody to pay my way if I was than some of my choices would be gone.We all have choices if you don't like the way your life is going fix it.
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drew_5050
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My sisters that live in Virgina and my mom are very conservative and the talk about the contracetives and the stuff going on in Virgina really shook them up for a second. Three pro-life conservative women had a wtf moment lol....I think if Santorum had been the candidate this would be more of an issue. But since he isn't it'll fade away. But then again if the Gop were smart they'd leave the ultra sound topic alone until after the election. Virgina did go blue last time.
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bbfaceassassin
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kimmey fair enough yet if YOU pay then the men should pay for Viagra as well. its a blatant dbl standard. and fyi if the Blount Amendment would have passed i gaurantee your employer wouldve denied the very coverage you now have...just saying
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wolfman91
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Like I said in my original question.
I pay all medical expenses out of pocket. Do right and you rarely get sick.
When you learn how to speak English your opinion will start to matter a teeny tiny bit.
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bbfaceassassin
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orignally you didnt say jack hsit dufas but insult. i see you failed to take my challenge as i called your bluff. So y again do i need your simple simon azz approval?I'm sorry did I give you the impression that I was looking for validation from an ieeediot like you...NOT! @Drew id vote for Roehmer if he manages to gt on the Americans Elect ballot. as for "evolving" i respectfully disagree with that assessment due to not what Obama has said but more by what hes done: dont ask dont tell and DOMA. its safe to say he was leaning this way all along
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bbfaceassassin
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sorry the "evolving" remark was for a different thread
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drew_5050
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Goddamn you both are f**king stupid!!!
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jokethem
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Oh plz. I said the Blount Amendment for starters. The Gov in Virginia, the personhood Amendment, defunding planned parenthood, your seriously gnna sit there and deny the LEGISLATIVE push across this country that attack women health. Next your gnna tell me that Darryl Issa who held hearings on womens health with no women is a democrat now huh. Or that Gov. Walker in Wisconsin DIDN'T just repeal equal pay for women. Some of the proposed legislation didn't pass like the Blount Amendment and personhood Amendment but it wasn't for lack of trying. I recommend you watch a lil more cspan and actually listen to what is said and voted on instead of just 30 sec soundbytes from media
So your back to just one issue in one state big woop. The law that you speek of, of walkers? Have you read the bill? NOWHERE in that bill does it state women, blacks, mexicians, whites, people from mars. That bill it does NOT specify and race, color, creek, sex, religian or anything BUT "Any person who believes they have a pay greavence will have the opperitunity to present their case to the Wis court. The bill is about any who feels they have a pay issue will have their day in court. Walker was not wanting to drag down his courts. Read the fricking bill.
Before you shoot off your mouth about something you think you know, you ought to know just what the hell your talking about.
This personhood bill you so speek of? It is about abortion. That is nothing new and will alway be around. That is an attempt to change Roe vs Wage which the conservitives will for ever try to change. Abortion is the law of the law. Has been for as long as you have been alive. People have been fighting about it since you've been born. So give it up. You are so old news. Just like that dumbass preof your. Create a fictious world to take away from the fact he is the worst fricking pres we have ever had and thats saying alot compared to carter.
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jokethem
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bbf, i was just thinking, this war on woman you claim is happening and being comitted by republicans. Are you saying that the GOP is also warring against conserative women? GOP's own voter? I hear about all the war on women, nobody ever says who these "women" are. The examples that you gave above. Pay issues and abortion issues. Does the GOP not want conserative women to have equil pay as men? Is the GOP telling conserative women they do not have to right to appose abortion?
Who are these women being warred against?
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bbfaceassassin
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Blah blah blah blah blah...Nice try look at the nationwide bills on a state level. Then comeback and dbl down on stpd that its "one state" and what can happen in one state can spread to another like a disease. Honestly I cld care a less about abortion its NO MANS decision anyway unless your the father. But the war remains for others none the less. Ask murkoski,hutchison,and snowe you rhetorical question. They're the ones who regret their votes and the gop agenda on women. And Darryl Issa's witchunt*crickets* Plz your attempts to portray the issue as an isolated incident is surely lacking. Rush limbaugh didn't attack Sandra Fluke for 3 days straight either huh. I guess its my fault there's a gender gap with women in the polls. Its hacks like me that have given obama dbl digit leads among women...it couldn't possibly be anything CONservatives are doing
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bbfaceassassin
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As for the walker bill...thanks for the clarification. You essentially passed legislation to solve a non-existant problem by your logic. Lol
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jokethem
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whatever.
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pelham12345
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I guess its ok for u limp dk breezy birds to impose a dbl standard and gt your viagra subsidized but you wanna be hypocrites and sexist and tell women they can't have contraception and or cancer screenings, and mamograms either huh
# 1. There is no war on women.
# 2. Like a typical left wing nut job, when backed into a corner because your arguements are null and void you resort to pety name calling and trash talk.
# 3. Yes, men should pay for viagra.
# 4. The whole contraception thing is nonsense.. Both sexes can pruchase condoms and they can often be obtained for free from clinics, hospitals etc.. There was never a need for a silly debate on pills.
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bbfaceassassin
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#1 there's no war on women why because YOU say so. Who the phk are you to discount what women across the country and in congress feel is legitimate
#2 don't start none won't be none. Respect and civility is EARNED not giving . Don't sit there and cry foul when I haven't drawn first blood on anyone. I give what I get point blank.and my response to those who attacked 1st still do not negate the facts stated
#3 at least your honest bout that
#4 not only is this more than just pills. But attempts to "probe" women for ultra sounds and Repealing equal pay. But health for women as a whole defunding womens health means more than just pills. And 2nd that silly debate was started by who???
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tonyzero
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States Enact Record Number of Abortion Restrictions in 2011
January 5, 2012
By almost any measure, issues related to reproductive health and rights at the state level received unprecedented attention in 2011. In the 50 states combined, legislators introduced more than 1,100 reproductive health and rights-related provisions, a sharp increase from the 950 introduced in 2010. By year’s end, 135 of these provisions had been enacted in 36 states, an increase from the 89 enacted in 2010 and the 77 enacted in 2009. (Note: This analysis refers to reproductive health and rights-related “provisions,” rather than bills or laws, since bills introduced and eventually enacted in the states contain multiple relevant provisions.)
Fully 68% of these new provisions—92 in 24 states—-restrict access to abortion services, a striking increase from last year, when 26% of new provisions restricted abortion. The 92 new abortion restrictions enacted in 2011 shattered the previous record of 34 adopted in 2005.
Top 10 Shocking Attacks from the GOP's War on Women
1) Republicans not only want to reduce women's access to abortion care, they're actually trying to redefine rape. After a major backlash, they promised to stop. But they haven't yet. Shocker.
2) A state legislator in Georgia wants to change the legal term for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to "accuser." But victims of other less gendered crimes, like burglary, would remain "victims."
3) In South Dakota, Republicans proposed a bill that could make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. (Yep, for real.)
4) Republicans want to cut nearly a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids.
5) In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.
6) Maryland Republicans ended all county money for a low-income kids' preschool program. Why? No need, they said. Women should really be home with the kids, not out working.
7) And at the federal level, Republicans want to cut that same program, Head Start, by $1 billion. That means over 200,000 kids could lose their spots in preschool.
8) Two-thirds of the elderly poor are women, and Republicans are taking aim at them too. A spending bill would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens.
9) Congress just voted for a Republican amendment to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country.
10) And if that wasn't enough, Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program. (For humans. But Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses. You can't make this stuff up).
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bbfaceassassin
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Tony though I appreciate the facts I was really hoping that the dum phk wld double down on stpd. Lol
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jokethem
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bbfaceassassin
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Blah blah blah blah. Just cause you don't like the answers don't mean their not accurate . Your state argument is moot when congress is also involved and Romney also said he will defund it. Again DMBPHK planed parenthood is not exclusively an abortion provider so all your blah blah blah is just that -> BLAH! But what can you expect from someone who calls me dmb but has never heard of the Personhood Amendment....epic
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bbfaceassassin
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Also its one thing to be against abortion but that's not the same as contraception. So explain all you want cause it seems to me your talking to yourself and trying to deflect from the fact that your novice azz gt owned. Yes you don't even know what your Etch-A-Sketch candidate endorsed on Huckabee. But I still see no justification for the extreme measures proposed in virgina assualting women. Just ban abortion for that matter u don't have to vaginally probe and humiliate a woman. You totally missed the point. Honestly I think you do gt it but your trying to deflect. Also who the phk said I was liberal. I guess you'll say whatever to distract from the fact you've been owned TWICE already in this thread. Tell me how this is a ONE state issue again. Dmbphk 
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jokethem
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I've also noticed pelham, left wingers when speaking of a wow, they NEVER mention the millions of women unemployed or underemployed. Million! All they talk about is some defunding of this or that in one or two states. Effecting what a hundred maybe a couple hundred thousand poeple, especially those who can't keep their legs closed and yet MILLIONS of woman both single and head of household suffer with no employment. The employment that ob said her would not rest until every one had a job. 39 golf games later.
Also liberal left winger "NOW" woman who talk a big game about womens rights, yet women all over the world are abused and killed and even here we are stating to have women killed under shirea law. Oh yeah we can talk a big game and do absolutely "Nothing" to help women. WOW? Blind fools like bbf should look in their own back yard before opening the spew gate.
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bbfaceassassin
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Sen. Lisa Murkowski "if you don't feel this is an attack on women,go home and talk to your wives and talk to your daughter" so by y'all logic this republican senator is now a "liberal" because she doesn't agree with you. Smfh @ dmbphks
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jbck
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Had a lady write a letter to the editor today. She lamented thoughts of cutting benefits to single moms like she has a right to other people's stuff because she made a bunch of bad decisions.
Well, the constitution was established in part to promote the idea that people are free to the right to self determination and to have their rights and property protected. It is designed to limit the power of the federal government, not to expand it so responsible people are obligated to pay for the problems of irresponsible people.
I understand her desperation as a single mom with three kids. My thoughts on the matter are simple....three of them? How long is she going to continue to make bad decisions and screw herself up if we continue to promote her bad behavior? Forever if she can manage that.
My final thought is simple....if you're gonna have a bunch of kids do it with a partner that will help with it. If you choose poorly, that is your fault and your responsiblility. Any obligation to deal with it rests with you.
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bbfaceassassin
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Plz...yawnzzz @ the blah blah blah blah. Still on the abortion or whatever course of deflectin your on now, I don't want to pay for Iraq or your viagra either. Don't see me being a crybaby
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bbfaceassassin
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STRIKE THREE GAME OVER! Being that there's roughly 300 million Americans and women make up half the population that at least 100 million. But then again CONservatives never been gd at math...otherwise Bush would've never drove the country off a cliff to begin with and blown the surplus. You also didn't see tonys post...he even included a graph as u requested. Lol can't read pictures either..smh. and so now YOUR attacking women? Indirectly calling them sl_tts and to close their legs. So now we all need permission from your no pucci gtn asz just to gt a nut. How bout stop trying to strip contraception away maybe she wouldn't have three kids. You CONservatives are fn hilarious. All pro-life and shit and as soon as the precious child is born you wash your hands and won't feed,educate,or give healthcare to the very child you advocate to bring in the world. And no matter what choice the women makes ...its always THEIR fault...smfh @ these moronic deflecting hypocrites.
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jbck
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drew_5050
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There isn't a national war on women. I would caution that this is a very real issue in Virgina at the moment. If the states that are passing abortion legislation or womens issues legislation they'd be wise to wait until after novemeber especially if youre state could swing to the democrats.
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pelham12345
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#1 there's no war on women why because YOU say so. Who the phk are you to discount what women across the country and in congress feel is legitimate
#2 don't start none won't be none. Respect and civility is EARNED not giving . Don't sit there and cry foul when I haven't drawn first blood on anyone. I give what I get point blank.and my response to those who attacked 1st still do not negate the facts stated
#3 at least your honest bout that
#4 not only is this more than just pills. But attempts to "probe" women for ultra sounds and Repealing equal pay. But health for women as a whole defunding womens health means more than just pills. And 2nd that silly debate was started by who???
Re: 1: There is no because THERE IS NO WAR ON WOMEN! It's clearly a fabricated election year gimmick.. Planned parenthood is argueable but ill get to that ib re:4
Re: 2: You do not present unbiased views and come out the gate with biased statements and when called out you retort with name calling.. Its that simple
Re: 3: of course.. I'm honest all around and that one is a no-brainer
Re: 4: Defunding of planned parenthood is about the only valid arguement to support a 'wow', it is however in the states rights to control where their funds go. It always was murky anyway, federal funds goto PP and PP does abortions so the fed is defacto funding abortions where federal funds arnt supposed to do. I personally support PP as I have utilized their services, however I accept that states may restrict their fundig if they see fit.. It is after all only partial funding... PP is not 100% funding from govt funds. The 'probes' are of concern but it seems to be fringe and somewhat isolated. Also... If you believe that nonSense about repealin equal pay I got a bridge to sell you, its not gonna happen.(and on a side note.. Women still make less than men overall). Anf it is all about pills.. Dems saw to that with the sandra fluck nonsense that just everyone saw right through...
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bbfaceassassin
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jbck
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I just hid his dumbasses posts because he is so f**king stupid that it hurts. He is the epitome of what is wrong with America. A fool and idiot. There is no help for him. His momma should have had a f**king abortion, but give up the extra revenue? Naw, she wasn't gonna do that. Guvmint paid her to have his sorry ass. Now they are saddles with his sorry stupid shit util he dies. That is hwat we need to change. MF need af**king job just like evrydody that pays his sorry a** to be foolish.
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bbfaceassassin
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If you wanna know what a real unbiased posts look like pay attention to drew. Who though I may disagee with some of his post he states his case without attacks and his civility gts my respect and thus no insulting on my behalf. I thought this was an "independent" forum but their are more teatrded dmbphks on these threads I should msg & rant at support for their false advertising.
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Well pehlam since you at least put a face to back yourself up unlike other breezy bir mfs d who gt a whole lot of lame bumper sticker comebacks ,reguritating other posters Assessments ill reply mainly to you. its quite obvious your bias is on full display as well as NONE of ya were attacked by me first despite my opinion yet u condone their baseless assualts. Not to mention ya all have failed to negate the facts posted. Like the title says "denying it...doesn't change the fact" and as evident by the ever widening gender gap in polls THAT NO MAN can even participate in , the WOMEN nationwide have spoken for themselves as well as the Gop women who BACK MY SH!D UP. So while you claim a "fabrication " if Darryl Issa would've allowed the simple courtesy of Sandra Fluke testimony maybe all this cldve been avoided. And to the no face breezy that can't even think for himself being jokethem's parrot..I'm sorry........ next time ill include yourCialis endorsement 
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pelham12345
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Sandra fluke was a complete farce.. She goes to one of the best ivy league schools in the country that gaurauntees a $160,000 starting salary after graduation.. She can afford her birth control pills many times over..
As i said.. The only valid arguements for a WoW is the fact they still dont get paid the same and the PP issue.. So if you do want to believe in a WoW at least acknowledge that it is NOT new and created by republicans in an election year..
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bbfaceassassin
Toledo, OH
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pehlam i hardly see the relevance of Sandra Fluke's schooling or a salary she potentially might make (currently not making) especially since the testimony she was going to give wasnt about her ,but an ill friend who uses birth control pills to regulate hormones and cld potentially die without them. her testimony , if allowed wldve been not about her own use (if she even uses them) idk ,but as an advocate for a friend who needed them to stay alive. but as stated earlier if Darryl Issa wouldve allowed Fluke 5min to testify we probably wouldve never heard of Sandra Fluke. or at least have a woman on the panel. how wld men feel if there was a hearing on men say for example on vasectomy and not include a single man in the discussion. the perception here whether you agree or not is that women are being left out of the process. niether you or i are women. though i cant speak for them i understand where they are coming from. its shocking though that being you are also not a woman that you feel you can speak for them and discount what THEY feel is legitamately an assualt on them. has it been played up a bit. Probably. but it doesnt negate the actions the gop has taken and led to the perception whether you agree or not
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pelham12345
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Well if you dont feel that the fact that fluke is a 1%er is relevant... Perhaps the fact that she is/was a complete nobody with no professional knowledge on the issue of health care/birth control/insurance but a lowly ivy league college student... Yet she was elevanted to one of the highest platforms in the world and invited to the floor of congress by the democrats..
Dems would have done the same thing if they were in power to the Reps if they tried a gimmick like that.
If Dems were serious about the issue they would have brought either someone well known or at least a professional.
Edit: and that makes no sense at all about her friend... Theres plenty of women on birth control for hormone regulation.. And when its for that its covered by insurance!!!
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jokethem
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Speaking of a wow, the National Review Online, April 12, 2012 - ob pays his female employees 18% less the the male staff. One reason why? His major staff is prodominantly male.
As a side note, "woman are free to buy their own birth control for $1.66 a day and planned parenthood provides them even cheaper to the poor."
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bbfaceassassin
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sure its covered ...as of now. you guys kp saying what current law is,as if to negate the attempts to CHANGE these laws. and Darryl Issa received notice in an advanced briefing/memo of what fluke was going to testify to. thats why she was denied the floor. Issa wanted to make it bout sex and abortion and religious freedom,blah,blah. and not a medical issue. i
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pelham12345
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I'm really not concerned about a minor few who may want to change certain laws.. It wont happen, some things just wont happen.. Just like how people freak out about candiates abortion views.. Roe v Wade will never get overturned.
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drew_5050
Middletown, OH
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Sandra Fluke wouldn't have been an issue if Rush Limbaugh hadnt called her a slut. Again these blow hards on talk radio take the attn off the real issues in this country. Today Sean Hannity is stillllll talking about Obama using drugs. Who gives a f**k!!! There are better issues to beat him with. It wasnt an issue in 08' wont be this time around......lmao anyway..... If i were a poor woman needing birth control I wouldn't worry how to get it. Hell I could go to congress and argue I like Charmin extra soft when wiping my a** and they'd listen. Then can yall imagine the controversy......Angel soft people are furious at the statements drew made about angel soft....lmao I know this is almost comical, because it is. Toilet paper and birth control.....they cost about the same really not the issue everyone has made it. the real issue is the ultra sound thing in Virgina. if I was a woman that would have me pissed.
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bbfaceassassin
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Yea rush not only fed the fuel he didn't know how these pills work. He thinks u use the pill during every intimate encounter not on the regular basis whether they're intimate or not. And for three days str8 calln her names...geez. some of the" issues " are si bogus...vacations,golf, gas,irrelevant dribble. You wanna complain bout something valid like extending the patriot act or failing to really address the housing crisis that's different. Some of these fabricated issues are sickening when there are real issues to discuss
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pelham12345
Bronx, NY
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Yea you guys are totally right... I completely forgot about Rush.. No one woulda ever heard about the Fluke nonsense if he didnt open his big mouth about it..
Drew.. I didnt see that on Hannity but I dont blame him for hammering Obama on his drug use.. The left hammered Bush #2 for 8 years calling him a drunk and a cokehead.....
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single4life90
Camden Wyoming, DE
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I wasn't aware of a war on women
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drew_5050
Middletown, OH
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Yea you guys are totally right... I completely forgot about Rush.. No one woulda ever heard about the Fluke nonsense if he didnt open his big mouth about it..
Drew.. I didnt see that on Hannity but I dont blame him for hammering Obama on his drug use.. The left hammered Bush #2 for 8 years calling him a drunk and a cokehead.....
But what does it solve? What issue does it tackle? Its red meat for the base but other than that it dont do anything. Its not going to hurt Obama with people who are already going to vote for him. It does fire up the base, but those folks like me in the middle just wanna talk about the issues that really matter.
Its just like I dont give a damn about what romney did in highschool or that he strapped his dog to the roof. or jeeez what bush did.... It don't matter. It tells us nothing about how he is going to run the country. And every moment we talk about what romney did or what obama did it distracts from the issues that matter the most. And I could argue Obama wins.
If it werent for the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys of the party I'd never ever consider voting for a democrat. My distain for them is the same distain I have for the people on msnbc and folks like bill maher. None of these people have views based in reality. theyre all ideologs, and thats whats wrong with this country.
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pelham12345
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Oh I never said it solved anything or was useful.. Just that I understand if people want to bash him on it... Both sides do it, and yea it does motivate the base somewhat I suppose... But nothing is going to motivate the Right anymore than he already has I dont think.
And you are right that any distraction from Obama's policies benefit him to an extent since they are unpopular with the majority of the country. Though drugs have been becomming an issue of politics again lately though with an increased push in legalization.. Should it become a real political issue by November.. Beating him up on it now could make it a factor.. But I dont think this is likely...
The fact of the matter is none of this stuff is going to be game changing issues for the election.. Drugs, gay marriage etc.. This election is going to completely be a refferendum on Obama and Democrat party policies as was the 2010 midterm election.
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drew_5050
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I will warn on one thing that could change that dynamic. Last year when the tea party pulled that crap about the debt ceiling they gave the president a huge boost. If the tea party republicans in congress pull any of that again if could be what not only helps Obama win, but may be the difference in congressional seats. but this is going to be a photo finish reguardless of the outcome.
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pelham12345
Bronx, NY
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Yea I still dont get the backlash on trying to stop the debt ceiling... Its not supposed to be infinitely increased.. Its gotta stop.
I didnt say the election wasnt going to be close.. I just said its going to be a refferendum.. Either the majority of voters will be voting for because they approve of the policies or against. (well majority in like the 7-8 states that actually matter this eleection)
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drew_5050
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the debt ceiling isn't a time to make a political point. Its like if you and say your girl friend run up a visa card then when it comes time to pay because youre pissed about what it was spent on and how much you refuse to pay it. The debt ceiling is just that....paying the bills. With so much turmoil in the world, we can't afford to do something so irresponsible. Its like being at war and picking the wrong place to make your stand.
If republicans do this, they will get the blame. And if this economy were to happen to start going backwards because of this they'll not win very many elections for years to come. This whole thing put Obama above 50% in approval last year. The last thing they need to do going into this election is give him that boost.
I have a personal bone to pick with the tea party over that shit. I had some stock I was going to sell to purchase some rentals and the stock went down substantially. Although they have recovered since I missed out on a good opportunity because the loss I would have taken would have dimenished what I was trying to do with my real estate deal. We need adults to lead, not overgrown idiot children thats all we have in Washington...both parties. The need responsible people. People who know the time to make a political point is during negotiations when putting a budget together.
Today John Boehner, for the first time in American history publically stated the intention of the republican house is to let the country default if they can't get what they want......Thats irresponsible. And very stupid.....heres whats going to happen, one of two things.....one obama and the dems will call his bluff and they will cave or they wont cave and we default. Either way its bad for our party. The best case senerio now is we look weak. The worst case is what I just stated, irresponsible people not up for the challenge of governing. Why he would come public with a statement like that Ill never know.
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