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fishingmom Lake Alfred, FL 62, joined Aug. 2008	Just came in to congratulate you on #7 Copa!
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borderlinegal Madison, IN 64, joined Aug. 2011	Always glad to be a part of this thread! Appreciate the work Copa does as well as informed posters. God bless you all.
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rcrmike Souderton, PA 58, joined Apr. 2009	Hi Copa! Ahh, here we go again. It was rough wrestling with the liberals until you restarted the #7 Bums thread. I think I'm going to get banned from that one any second now. I used alot of 'facts'. Oh wait, it was prfx's thread. He better not ban me! Holy smokes! I think prfx is still back there, somebody go save him!
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clarity101 Aurora, CO 65, joined Oct. 2008	GOD willing.... Ill be back soon! Keep up the good work patriots!.
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prxf Pittsburgh, PA 60, joined Dec. 2007	Thanks, Copa, ditto
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rcrmike Souderton, PA 58, joined Apr. 2009	This is a few weeks old, maybe I missed it before. Are there other examples through out the Country of the party interfering with Ron Paul victories? Here is the link to the article. The comments on the bottom are worth reading as well as the videos. http://www.policymic.com/articles/9163/ron-paul-delegates-arrested-as-they-win-a-majority-at-louisiana-gop-convention This is troubling me as I see no differentiation between the two parties. They have both stooped to levels beyond belief. Gives me the impression that they have the same agenda to complete no matter who wins any election. The tradition of voting is to calm our fears and give us the impression that we are voting but in essence the agenda will be followed by their pre-selected candidates. Republican or Democrat doesn't matter. They are both owned by the puppetmasters. Ron Paul is a fly in their ointment and they need to humor us, as long as he doesn't win. Now they are desperate. This is very dangerous, because they can't contain his victories any longer. _________________________________________________________________________________________ Ron Paul Delegates Arrested As They Win a Majority at Louisiana GOP Convention Hamdan Azharin Politics,2012 Elections2 weeks ago Ron Paul Delegates Arrested As They Win a Majority at Louisiana GOP Convention Share on Facebook “I’m handicapped! I need a doctor!” “Sir, this is the chairman!” The Louisiana State Republican Convention descended into chaos Saturday morning, with several delegates being arrested and the convention chairman being thrown to the ground by police. Sources report that state party officials panicked when it became clear that Ron Paul delegates commanded a decisive majority of the delegates on the floor – at least 111 of 180 (62%). The convention began peacefully with a prayer and invocation. Roger Villere, Chairman of the Louisiana Republican Party, then attempted to recognize the former Chair of the Convention’s Rules Committee who had been ousted from his position last night. When Alex Helwig, the newly elected Rules Committee chair, rose to address the delegation, Mr. Villere ordered him removed from the floor. Video footage shows Shreveport police dragging Mr. Helwig out of the room despite his protests that he was a duly elected delegate. At this point, a motion was made to elect a new convention chairman. Henry Herford, Jr., was elected by an overwhelming majority. Nevertheless, Mr. Villere – who had appointed himself the convention chairman – refused to relinquish control of the gathering. As the delegates began turning their chairs around, Mr. Herford, the newly elected chairman, rose to call the convention to order. Sources report that, in an act of desperation, Mr. Villere and state party officials then ordered police to attack Mr. Herford. Video footage shows an older gentleman in a blue shirt being violently dragged away by police and then shoved to the ground. When Mr. Herford protests that he is handicapped and would like to press charges for assault against the police officers, a Shreveport police officer is seen smirking in response. Sources report that Mr. Herford, 57, has a prosthetic hip that was dislocated during the assault. Many observers expressed shock that the establishment would resort to such violent tactics against fellow Republicans. Saturday morning’s incidents come on the heels of increasing panic among state party leaders in the aftermath of Ron Paul’s decisive victory in the Louisiana caucuses in April. For example, on Thursday night, the State Central Committee (SCC) of the Louisiana Republican Party voted to completely overhaul the existing convention rules. Fearful of a resounding Ron Paul victory, the SCC’s “supplemental rules” were designed to substantially weaken the authority of the State Convention, reportedly making it nothing more than a rubber-stamp for the dictates of state party insiders. While the state party insisted that the “supplemental rules” were unamendable and overrode the existing rules as well as Robert’s Rules of Order, legal observers remarked that the new rules were in material violation of the Rules of the Republican National Committee. According to RNC Rule 15(c)(12), “No delegates or alternate delegates shall be elected, selected, allocated, or bound pursuant to any Republican Party rule of a state or state law which materially changes the manner of electing, selecting, allocating, or binding delegates or alternate delegates… if such changes were adopted or made effective after October 1 of the year before the year in which the national convention is to be held.” After Convention Chairman Henry Herford’s arrest, the delegates proceeded to elect a new chair and continued with the business of the convention. They reportedly elected a slate of 27 Ron Paul supporters to fill 12 of the 18 district delegate slots and 15 of 20 at-large delegate slots, before certifying the results with the RNC. Meanwhile, state party leaders held their own convention in one corner of the room with about 30 delegates in attendance. Local media is reporting that the minority convention also elected a slate of delegates, although it is unlikely that the legitimacy of their slate will be recognized by the RNC. According to a statement released by the national Paul campaign, the newly elected delegates met with Scott Sewell, the Louisiana Chair of the Romney campaign, who said “he would do everything he could to make sure the delegation was seated.” The State Central Committee also met after the convention but reportedly disbanded due to lack of quorum. Opinions remain divided as to whether the convention chaos that has been witnessed at recent state conventions across the country is a result of a coordinated national effort by Republican party leaders to disenfranchise Ron Paul delegates. In both Maine and Nevada, for example, Romney supporters were caught distributing counterfeit delegate slates. In Arizona, there were complaints of ballot stuffing and the convention was eventually shut down when it appeared likely that a Ron Paul supporter would be elected as the national committeewoman. In Massachusetts, after Ron Paul supporters won 16 of 27 district delegate slots, state party leaders quickly moved to try to invalidate the results. In spite of the disorder at the Louisiana State Convention, many Republicans expressed satisfaction that they were able to select a strong delegation of constitutional conservatives to attend the national convention. “[This] proves that the Ron Paul Revolution is alive and well in the state of Louisiana,” said Shawn Wilson, 30, a state delegate from Louisiana’s 6th district.
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deersnipper Lexington, SC 68, joined Feb. 2012	Quote from wooden1: I'll double that Go Paul Go
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	This is very important information. All of America should turn on ovomit now. Pylgram
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from rcrmike: Hi Copa! Ahh, here we go again. It was rough wrestling with the liberals until you restarted the #7 Bums thread. I think I'm going to get banned from that one any second now. I used alot of 'facts'. Oh wait, it was prfx's thread. He better not ban me! Holy smokes! I think prfx is still back there, somebody go save him! I hope prxf learned his lesson about allowing zombies to post in his threads. They are the koolaid saturated socialist zombies. Pylgram
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Rove: Obama Blaming Bush Shows He Is 'Excuse Maker' Thursday, 14 Jun 2012 10:11 AM By Greg McDonald Republican political strategist Karl Rove says President Barack Obama’s attempt to blame the nation’s economic problems on President George W. Bush proves that he is a weak and ineffective leader who has “contempt” for the American people. “First of all, It shows the contempt of the president of the United States for the intelligence of the average American,” Rove told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren Wednesday night, referring to recent Obama campaign ads suggesting that he was left holding “the tab” for Bush administration mistakes. “He is responsible for the debt run-up on his watch,” Rove continued. “It is fine for him to try and blame it on President Bush or a Japanese tsunami, or on ATM. But it makes him look weak, and the American people are not that dumb!” Rove, who was Bush’s chief political adviser and is now a Fox News contributor, added that if Obama continues with a campaign strategy that simply blames his predecessor the American people will begin to see him as “somebody who’s not in charge,” a theme that Mitt Romney is now using daily in his effort to defeat Obama in November. “We do not like to elect people president of the United States who are excuse makers,” Rove said. “We want a president to be big and bold.” Rove, noting the promises Obama made in his first campaign for the presidency to get the economy back on track, said voters would come to realize that either “his policy didn’t work or he deliberately misled us.” “Either way, he’s responsible for it,” Rove added. Rove was also asked about the controversial leaks of national security information now plaguing the Obama administration. Some Republican leaders on Capitol Hill have called for the appointment of a special prosecutor to determine the source of the leaks involving the targeting of al-Qaida operatives and efforts to disrupt the Iranian nuclear program. Attorney General Eric Holder, in response, has appointed two Justice Department lawyers under his authority to investigate. Rove stopped short of calling for a special prosecutor. But he reminded Van Susteren that one was appointed under pressure from Democrats to investigate the release of Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent, which case Rove was caught up in as White House political adviser to Bush. “The Democrats insisted on a special prosecutor because they were concerned that the attorney general, if it were not a special prosecutor, would have oversight on whoever is doing the investigation and that it could be compromised,” Rove said. “Here we have a much more serious issue,” he added, insisting that no national security information had been compromised in the Plame case because she “was not a covert agent.” Rove said “this time around,” Democrats “don’t want a special prosecutor, which goes to show how political this can be.” Asked by Van Susteren if Republicans are looking for “payback,” Rove said, “I’m not suggesting payback at all.” “I’m frankly of a mixed mind about whether or not there ought to be a special prosecutor,” he added. “And I would like to leave that to people who have better and more, you know, dispassionate judgment about it.” But Rove said he believes a lot of people have lost confidence in Holder’s ability to supervise an impartial investigation, given his confrontation with Republican leaders over efforts to obtain more documents about the bungled Fast and Furious gun-trafficking operation. “I’m not coming down on one side or the other. . . . But I do know the attorney general of the United States needs to do more to build public confidence than what we've seen over the last couple of weeks,” Rove said. Read more on Newsmax.com: Rove: Obama Blaming Bush Shows He Is 'Excuse Maker' Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Unions Are Fleeing From Obama Four years ago, Mr. Hopeychangey could run an aggressive campaign against John McCain because he knew that he had unions under his control. Not only are unions a huge source of funding (reportedly, unions provided some $400 million in support in 2008), but they are an incredible source of manpower for get-out-the-vote efforts, nearly always on behalf of Democrats. This time around, it would appear that unions can't be relied upon quite so much: The AFL-CIO has told Washington Whispers it will redeploy funds away from political candidates smack dab in the middle of election season, the latest sign that the largest federation of unions in the country could be becoming increasingly disillusioned with President Obama. The federation says the shift has been in the works for months, and had nothing to do with the president's failure to show in Wisconsin last week, where labor unions led a failed recall election of Governor Scott Walker. "We wanted to start investing our funds in our own infrastructure and advocacy," AFL-CIO spokesman Josh Goldstein told Whispers. "There will be less contributions to candidates," including President Obama. While there were "a lot of different opinions" about whether Obama should have gone to Wisconsin, according to Goldstein, "this is not a slight at the president." The AFL-CIO has been at odds with the president before Wisconsin on issues such as the public health insurance option and renewing the Bush tax cuts. The shift in funding is significant due to the federation's role in past presidential campaigns, where the AFL-CIO built up a massive political structure in the months leading up the election, including extensive "Get Out The Vote" efforts, as well as financial contributions. Wonder if these unions are short some $20 million from a recent, ill-advised recall attempt in Wisconsin? Speaking of Wisconsin On the night of that now-infamous recall, many media outlets were attempting to spin the results as "meaningless." As Obama spinmeister David Axelrod tweeted on that historic evening: Bad night in Boston...WI raises big questions for Mitt We're not entirely sure what he was referring to, but we're guessing it wasn't this: Mitt Romney now leads President Obama for the first time in Wisconsin where the president's support has fallen to its lowest level to date. The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Likely Voters shows Romney with 47% of the vote to Obama’s 44%. Five percent (5%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided. Yeah, you read that correctly. The state that gave us an elected Socialist mayor (of Milwaukee) is now trending towards Mitt Romney. Uh oh. .
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Thank you Barack Obama… as promised, Canada is building pipeline to sell gas to China John Sexton says that In April, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper revealed disheartening consequences for America's energy policy at a think-tank event in Washington. Asked about President Obama's decision to put off a decision on the construction of the cross-border Keystone XL pipeline, Harper explained that it would permanently alter Canadian energy policy. What it really has highlighted for Canada is that our issue when it comes to energy and energy security is not North American self-sufficiency. Our energy [issue] is the necessity of diversifying our energy export markets. We can not be, as a country, in a situation where really our one, and in many cases almost only, energy partner could say no to our energy products. We just cannot be in that kind of position. Harper went on to say that the alternative to a pipeline south into the Gulf region of the United States was a pipeline west to reach the markets of Asia. Now fast forward a couple months, and the New York Times is reporting this: While Joe Oliver, Canada’s minister of natural resources, said in an interview that the United States would remain Canada’s "most important customer," billions of barrels of oil that would have been refined and used in the United States are now poised to head elsewhere. Expansion of Canada’s fast-growing oil-sands industry will be restricted by the lack of pipeline capacity before the decade’s end, he said, which "adds to the urgency of building them so that the resources will not be stranded." Three new pipeline network proposals -- two that call for heading west and the other east -- have been put forward. In other words, Stephen Harper was not making an idle threat or a political statement. Canada is moving full speed ahead with plans to sell tar-sands oil to other consumers, particularly China. The benefits to Canada of exporting to Asia are obvious. Canada currently earns less per barrel for its oil than the market price because it is a captive supplier to the U.S. Opening the market to Asia means more money for Canada. But there is no conceivable benefit to the United States in having oil from our closest, most trusted neighbor sold to China. The United States loses jobs and is forced to continuing buy its oil from nations like Venezuela and Saudi Arabia instead. The scale of this blunder, which Barack Obama made ostensibly on environmental grounds, is compounded by the fact that there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. Once a new pipeline is built, Canada has no reason to return to selling its oil products solely to the U.S. at a reduced price. The decision not to approve Keystone XL makes Solyndra look like a stroke of genius.
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Taitz persists with demand for Obama's stolen Social Security number data GeorgeM says Orly is continuing to pressure the Social Security Administration to release info on the most famous SSN in history: 042-68-4425, allegedly (and almost certainly) used by Obama on his draft registration, at least one tax return and multiple financial transactions. They previously denied her demand on “privacy” grounds, as if AKA “Obama’s” privacy trumped the security of the United States of America and uncovering a felony. Orly has done more work to capitalize on the valuable research done by Susan Daniels, Neil Sankey, John Sampson and Linda Jordan, than anyone else. Until just recently, even Sheriff Joe’s Posse didn’t mention the SSN fraud, but they started recently. She points out that Astrue and judges may be guilty under the same fraud laws that should be convicting “Obama.” Taitz has now made alternate proposals, such as providing enough info to rule out certain things, without specifically identifying a specific person. “… a thief does not have privacy rights in keeping private stolen identification papers.” “Actions by Appellee Astrue, U.S. attorneys defending him and judge Lamberth himself are so outrageous, that they represent criminal complicity and collusion wi th Obama to defraud the whole nation.” “so far attorney General of the US, Attorney General Holder is not taking any action.” United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 ( 197 4) the United States found that President Nixon did not have an expectation of privacy and had to release the Watergate tapes, which were actually: a. his b. private - Orly Taitz Petition for Rehearing en Banc http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Taitz-v-Astrue-Petition-for-En-Banc-Hearing1.pdf
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Don't for a moment think that profiling isn't alive and well... it's just who's being profiled that's the concern. It's patriotic Americans, investigating Islamic extremism, who are being watched and detained. Just because the powers-that-be want to hide their collective heads in the sand, pretending that Islamic goals are nothing to be concerned about, doesn't mean there isn't a true concern about what those ultimate goals are. From the Muslim Brotherhood's intimate access to the White House through several administrations, to FBI training materials being purged of anything remotely critical of Islam, average Americans have to ask... What is going on? Have the brain-dead idiots on the Hill forgotten the USS Cole, the Marine barracks attack in Lebanon, the Twin Towers attack (twice), and every other incident which screams that this fight over religious ideology, supremacy, and political domination is a continuous one and at the heart of Islam in general and Islamic extremists in particular? We have a problem in the United States... and it's not "we, the people." When CAIR files suit against those states who exercise their constitutional right to pass laws banning Sharia compliance and consideration being used in American law, there's a struggle, a "jihad" if you will, going on that is clear to see to anyone who is willing to look honestly at the evidence. If we don't want our way of life as a Western civilization to be subjugated to a Third World religious and political ideology, then "we, the people" better start paying attention to what's going on... and ferreting out that information from organizations that are reporting it, because the mainstream media (including FOX) are nothing but the water boys for wealthy Saudi princes and others who control the content you and I see. Join Bill Heid and our guest, Patrick Poole, a national security and terrorism expert, as they discuss this infiltration of Islamic ideology into mainstream American thought and practice, from Islamic clerics hiding in our heartland to the ones striding boldly down the corridors of various agencies and committees in Washington DC. Click Here To Listen To The Interview Now! http://www.offthegridnews.com/2012/06/15/detained-by-police-for-taking-pictures-of-a-mosque-with-patrick-poole-episode-106/ Want to share Off the Grid Radio with your friends and family? Each week's episode is now on CD! Go to your favorite episode and order your copies today. Regards, The Off the Grid Radio Team
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Would you buy a used car from this guy? Ronald C. Machen Jr As I posted over at Liberty News, Fire Andrea Mitchell has connected some interesting dots. In response to calls for an investigation into “the most egregious breach of intelligence in anybody’s memory,”Attorney General Eric Holder appointed two attorneys to look into the high level leaks coming out of this administration: Attorney General Eric Holder said on Friday he had assigned two U.S.attorneys to lead investigations into the possible leaking of state secrets. “The unauthorized disclosure of classified information can compromise the security of this country and all Americans, and it will not be tolerated,” he said in a statement. Holder assigned U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Ronald C. Machen Jr., a Democratic appointee, and U.S. Attorney for the District of Maryland Rod J. Rosenstein, a holdover GOP appointee, to lead the investigations. Machen was appointed to his current position by who? Barack Hussein Kardashian: Barack Obama is expected Wednesday afternoon to nominate Ronald C. Machen, a former federal prosecutor, to be the next U.S. attorney in the District, according to two government sources with knowledge of the selection process. And, here’s the big story: Machen, who lives in Silver Spring, is expected to move to the District while he holds down the job. Over the years, he has donated $4,350 to Obama’s campaigns. He gave $250 to Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign in 2003, a year before Obama, then an Illinois state senator, emerged on the nation’s political radar, according to campaign finance records. So Holder appointed a man who has his current job because Obama appointed him to it and has over the years given thousands to Obama’s campaigns. And we’re supposed to take this investigation seriously?
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Holder’s last days? Michael A. Walsh says after more than a year of half-truths, stonewalling, obfuscating and outright lying to Congress about the "gunwalking" scandal known as Fast and Furious, Attorney General Eric Holder now finds himself trapped in a box canyon, out of ammo and surrounded by hostiles. It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Finally run to ground, the embattled AG has tossed House and Senate investigators a fig leaf of feigned cooperation, just ahead of a House committee’s vote next week on whether to cite him for contempt. "I’m offering to sit down with the speaker, the chairman, with you and work our way through this in an attempt to avoid a constitutional crisis and come up with ways, creative ways, in which to make these materials available," Holder this week told Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. At issue is Holder’s refusal to turn over tens of thousands of F&F documents that have been under subpoena since last fall. So far, Justice has managed to slow-walk about 7,600 up Capitol Hill. Now the embattled Holder wants to deal. "Creatively," whatever that means. Sorry, Mr. AG -- you had your chance to come clean and you blew it. Now it’s time to play Truth or Consequences. Next Wednesday, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, headed by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), will decide whether to move a long-threatened contempt citation forward to the full House. For Issa, the end game in his long-running public battle with Holder is here. No more stern letters; no more public confrontations. It’s showdown time. The smoking gun was the discovery earlier this month of wiretap applications that made it clear that senior Justice officials -- including Assistant AG Lanny Breuer and others -- were not only in the loop on F&F, but had approved its tactics. And done so over the vehement objections of agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, who were tasked with the operation. At least one American agent, Border Patrol officer Brian Terry, has been killed with weapons involved in the operation, along with hundreds of Mexicans. Wrote Issa to Holder on June 5: "Throughout the course of the investigation . . . the department has consistently denied that any senior officials were provided information about the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious. The wiretap applications obtained by the committee show such statements made by senior department officials regarding the wiretaps to be false and misleading." Under Fast and Furious, the feds funneled thousands of firearms through phony "straw purchasers" directly to Mexican drug cartels, all without any notification of Mexico’s government or rational provision to trace the weapons. It was madness. And, despite Holder’s delaying tactics, the truth about how that insanity came about has been clear for some time: A cabal of officials at the highest levels of the Justice Department authorized the operation as part of the Obama administration’s "stealth" gun-control strategy -- presumably to make it appear that the horrific violence of Mexico’s drug war is partly our fault. Holder’s time is running out for many reasons. He’s been too partisan, and too politicized, for too long. A rash of outrageous leaks of national-security information -- in news stories depicting President Obama as a cool, confident and lethal commander-in-chief, stories sourced directly to high administration officials and members of Obama’s national-security team -- has created a firestorm. Holder has named two US attorneys to investigate -- but turned aside demands for an outside, independent special prosecutor. "Holder’s credibility with Congress -- there is none," snorted Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) The AG is also involved in two controversial lawsuits, one against Arizona’s immigration-enforcement policies, the other against Florida’s attempt to purge felons, foreigners and the deceased from its voter rolls. In each case, Justice’s position plainly has more to do with firing up the Democratic base than with upholding the law. This week Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) became the latest prominent elected official (there are now more than 100) to demand that Holder step down. But the AG serves at the president’s pleasure, and he wouldn’t still have the job if he wasn’t carrying out the boss’s orders. Yet an attorney general who’s been charged with contempt of Congress could quickly become a liability in the runup to November. And you know what happens to liabilities in an election year.
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	80% of Green energy loans went to Obama donors -- 19 companies went bust Jim Hoft says 80% of Green Energy loans went to Obama donors. The FOX News analyst says 70% in the video but actually 80% of DoE dollars went to Obama backers. 19 of these green energy companies went bust. And, it’s expensive -- solar power is 35¢ per kilowatt compared to coal, gas and oil that costs 5¢ per kilowatt. Here’s a list of the green companies that have gone belly-up since receiving Obama dollars. Heritage reported: For those who only hear about these failing companies one by one, the following is a list of all the clean energy companies supported by President Obama’s stimulus that are now failing or have filed for bankruptcy. The liberal media hopes you’ve forgotten about all of them except Solyndra, but we haven’t. Evergreen Solar SpectraWatt Solyndra (received $535 million) Beacon Power (received $43 million) AES’ subsidiary Eastern Energy Nevada Geothermal (received $98.5 million) SunPower (received $1.5 billion) First Solar (received $1.46 billion) Babc*ck & Brown (an Australian company which received $178 million) Ener1 (subsidiary EnerDel received $118.5 million) Amonix (received 5.9 million) The National Renewable Energy Lab Fisker Automotive Abound Solar (received $400 million) Chevy Volt (taxpayers basically own GM) Solar Trust of America A123 Systems (received $279 million) Willard & Kelsey Solar Group (received $6 million) Johnson Controls (received $299 million) Schneider Electric (received $86 million) That’s 19 (that we know of so far). We also know that loans went to foreign clean energy companies (Fisker sent money to their overseas plant to develop an electric car), and that 80% of these loans went to President Obama’s campaign donors.
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prxf Pittsburgh, PA 60, joined Dec. 2007	Lesson, Ply? Give me a break! A thread is a thread. Dems and Reps are free to speak.
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wating2bfound Mooresville, NC 63, joined Oct. 2010	Yes, but look at our other choices. OMG!!!!
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Maybe someone should inform our elected zombies about this energy source. Pylgram
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from prxf: Lesson, Ply? Give me a break! A thread is a thread. Dems and Reps are free to speak. Dems are socialists. The enemies of Western Culture. The enemies of America. They should have to pay for their own bullet to shoot them with. Pylgram
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	This is wonderful Pylgram
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prxf Pittsburgh, PA 60, joined Dec. 2007	I agree with that.
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susieq_tx Harlingen, TX 64, joined Mar. 2011	Pyl, there is actually a thing called the Davis Generator that has been fully tested to use the ocean as a source of energy. There is also another one that is being fulling tested up around Norway or somewhere like that. I know this because I came up with the idea about 6 years ago and researched to see if it had been invented yet. These generators are capable of some serious energy production.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Copa ~~ Congrats
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sorpstar Wayne, NJ 63, joined Oct. 2009	all i want are for others to see that after 4 yrs where were those promises...we have a president that spent more money on bail outs and other schitt including his Hawaii vacations one too many...and those banks sure screwed many of us haven't they...where is any mention about trade as ours is inbalanced and job creation is at a stall too...this election will it duplicate 2008 in totals where many turned out from the underground to vote in the largest #'s ever where even the head of the family threatened their college kids if they did not vote for change, the head of the family would not pay their tuitions and what do you tell these kids 4 yrs later while they join the unemployed increasing those #'s too...we have a system that prevents foreigners to come to this country in a timely matter to spend money here say for one NYC or create jobs starting businesses here...why not expedite them and their interests before other countries invite them (like china and russia) to spend that money in their countries. Congrats copa for another thread
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Listen to the left snivel about losing. Pylgram
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Erik Rush says On April 23, Doug Hagmann exposed Canada Free Press readers to the theory that simmering social unrest in America and (to a slightly lesser extent) across the globe is "not due to Obama’s inexperience or failed policies. Rather, it is the direct result of the implementation of his successful policies." I’ve been saying this for some time, but I was still gratified to hear Hagmann say it, and that his column and May 7 followup piece gleaned significant exposure. Attributing his information to an anonymous insider, Hagmann outlines how the Obama administration is covertly utilizing prominent agitators among the political left to incite chaos, and eventually violence, based on racial and class factors, while the administration continues to sabotage America’s economic engine. The latter efforts are also intended to catalyze widespread civil unrest. Implementation of this plan is, according to Hagmann’s source, being carried out via Obama’s unelected czars and heavily involves the Department of Homeland Security. From lower-level DHS agents making payments to street-level agitators, to former green energy czar Van Jones mentoring Occupy leaders, to coordination with political allies such as the New Black Panther Party and the Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan, the administration has all bases covered. Cultural balkanization and another heavy hit to the economy are calculated to result in unprecedented rioting and finally widespread public pandemonium followed by implementation of martial law. The objectives here are personal power for Obama, of course, and a coalescing of the federal government’s authority; the goal, the destruction of the United States of America as a constitutional republic. Like the class-warfare issue, the racial component is only a part of the agenda, but this being America, it is a significant one. In the operational sense, it is both a sad irony and potentially very dangerous that the left has managed to grow up a crop of black Americans who are as ignorant, belligerent and destructive as white bigots of bygone days falsely contended. Based on who and what I knew Obama to be -- and I knew this well before he was elected -- when he did win the presidency, my immediate thought was This is one mother****er who’s going to do his level best to stay in office permanently. When I called Obama a communist in 2008 and 2009, even conservatives giggled, but it made perfect sense to me. Everyone of significance in the man’s life had either been a card-carrying communist, or their worldview was principally based on Marxism. The Black Liberation Theology (effectively an oxymoron) in which Obama was schooled for 20 years has its roots in Marxism, as does the social justice doctrine to which he, his minions and their useful liberal idiots so dearly adhere. When racial tension increased amidst Obama’s deleterious weighing-in on issues like the Henry Gates affair in 2009, the administration’s refusal to prosecute members of the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation and revelations that Eric Holder’s DOJ wasn’t prosecuting blacks for anything they could remotely rationalize as political (including black-on-white crime), most people saw poor leadership or a bumbling incompetent. I, however, saw nascent choreography, the subtle inflaming of black resentment and the abrading of old scars. All of this -- as I believed then as well as now -- was calculated to cultivate a black populace that would be ready to take to the streets at the slightest provocation. As recently as this weekend, Obama’s mealymouthed attorney general, Eric Holder, invoked the name of Trayvon Martin at a meeting of the Detroit chapter of the NAACP. Obama implemented his big-government takeover so rapidly after taking office that even those who had his number were surprised. Ostensibly, these were remedial measures to address the economic implosion he and his activist cronies helped bring about via collaboration with government power players, but they were over-reaching. When detractors pointed this out, Obama countered with jokes concerning people complaining about "socialist mops." It might be hard at times to discern whether Obama is a communist, an Islamist, or a nihilist who simply wants to see the world burn. His actions in America certainly indicate a desire to culminate 100 years of Marxist wet dreams; however, his furtive participation in the "Arab Spring" that is sweeping Middle Eastern and Arab nations suggests a yearning to touch off a global conflagration that would indeed have the world burning for decades, so pernicious are Islamists’ designs for a worldwide caliphate. This obviously could not be actualized without tens -- if not hundreds of millions -- of deaths. Now, I wouldn’t want anyone to get the impression that I think I’m the only one who knew what was going on. Obviously there are others, but when you have allegedly conservative journalists and commentators suggesting that Barack Obama might be a socialist, or kind of a far-left guy (instead of a naked communist) at this stage of the game, there’s a serious perceptual problem in play. Even now, we hear people who ought to know better explaining away Obama’s sinister executive orders as boilerplate, run-of-the-mill formalities. We’ve gone beyond the frog in the pot of water who doesn’t realize he’s being slowly boiled. The frog has been doused with gasoline and ignited, and it’s time for him to start screaming.
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009
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onemoretime2c Boca Grande, FL 62, joined Apr. 2012	I only have one question,Why does a man who claims to be so intelligent go to so great lengths to hide his educational records and his pre-POTUS private life? If you can't be honest about who you are,how can you be trusted for what you do? BTW this has nothing to do with politics...........
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scorpioamor Highlands, TX 56, joined Feb. 2012	Just curious. Why do people vote Republican?
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	How badly has Obama alienated the middle class? Michael Hirsh says if Barack Obama loses in November, the new numbers out showing a calamitous drop in Americans' median net worth--we lost 20 years' worth of prosperity in the Great Recession, folks--will tell a good part of the story why. Bottom line: he lost the middle class. According to the Federal Reserve, a broad group of Americans loosely defined as the middle class saw its net worth plummet from a median of $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010. It's hardly fair to blame Obama for what began in 2007, but there's no reason why he shouldn't also be saddled with some of the blame in underestimating the severity of the crisis. Indeed, as economist Emmanuel Saez has written, the wealthiest one percent in the country have actually made out better, in percentage terms, during Obama's "recovery" of 2009-2010 than they did from 2002-07 under George W. Bush. Judging from recent polls--my colleague Ron Brownstein parses one here-- the perception of the president is that he's spending a lot more time coddling the very poor (the uninsured) and the very rich (Wall Street) than he is the middle class. Obama spent a huge portion of his political capital on Obamacare, and almost none on helping underwater middle-class mortgage holders. Nor did he deploy, in a big way, the enormous leverage he had over Wall Street and Main Street both to induce more lending and hiring. Remember, the drop in middle-class net worth came largely because of the financial crisis, during and after which we witnessed Washington handing over hundreds of billions of dollars to sustain the mortgage-bubble-engendering financial firms that cost us all that middle-class income. It gets worse. According to a 2010 paper by Andrew Haldane, head of the Bank of England's financial-stability department, the financial crisis of 2008-09 produced an output loss equivalent to between $60 trillion and $200 trillion for the world economy. Assuming that a crisis occurs every 20 years -- a very conservative estimate -- the systemic levy needed to recoup these crisis costs would be in excess of $1.5 trillion per year, Haldane says. What that means is that overall, our unrestrained financial sector does not add any net benefit to the economy--its repeated crises cost us far more than Wall Street brings to overall economic growth. Haldane, pungently, compares the trading excesses of bankers to air pollution from the auto industry. "The banking industry is also a pollutant," he writes. "Systemic risk is a noxious by-product" not unlike the damage to public health from carbon monoxide, lead and so forth. The latter problems were dealt with through taxation and occasional prohibitions or restrictions on poisonous emissions. Why shouldn't we take the same approach to the excesses of over-the-counter derivatives (now back to more than $700 TRILLION in nominal trades), credit default swaps and other ultra-complex products that cause systemic risk? "Banking benefits those producing and consuming financial services - the private benefits for bank employees, depositors, borrowers and investors," he writes. "But it also risks endangering innocent bystanders within the wider economy - the social costs to the general public from banking crises." Yet no one -- no one -- in the Obama administration or the U.S. Congress has begun to talk in fundamental terms about the social costs of Wall Street. So yes, this festering inequity at the heart of our economy is perhaps the main reason why Barack Obama may lose in November. The president, quixotically, sought to save both the poor (with Obamacare, mainly) and the filthy rich (Wall Street)--but at the expense of the bigger victim, the middle class. And if he gets voted out, they will be the ones to do it. One of the first things that Marxists have done in every country they have ever seized power in was to eliminate the "middle class" -- oftgen brutally. Yet Obama presents himself as the "champion of the middle class." That is a damnable lie. His intention is to destroy the American middle class, and to pay for his massive redistribution by taxing the "rich."
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onemoretime2c Boca Grande, FL 62, joined Apr. 2012	Quote from scorpioamor: Just curious. Why do people vote Republican? Most of the time it's the lesser of two evils in my opinion.
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sorpstar Wayne, NJ 63, joined Oct. 2009	Quote from scorpioamor: Just curious. Why do people vote Republican? traditionally dems spend more money / republicans less money--with obama he was an example of how to spend money the faster esp on bail outs...why not give us the money instead...
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scorpioamor Highlands, TX 56, joined Feb. 2012	I agree,if he would of gave the money to the working class we would of had a better recovery...
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onemoretime2c Boca Grande, FL 62, joined Apr. 2012	For the recovery money they spent,they could have given everyone over 21 one million dollars charged them 50% tax and made them either pay off a home they own or buy a new one for cash.If they had money left over then buy a new US made car. Anything after that was theirs to keep and spend as they wished. Doing that would have solved the housing crisis, bailed out the US car makers and stimulated the economy.........anyone agree or disagree? opinions?
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rcrmike Souderton, PA 58, joined Apr. 2009	Hey Pyllgram, nice job looking into energy efficiency. I'd like to pass along some of my firsthand personal experiences while doing my own energy work. Right now solar energy has been set back about 30 years thanks to OBummer. Solar energy DOES work! I built a passive solar house, the codes and red tape prevented me from doing more. Here's where the public is mis-informed and brainwashed by current events. The latest Photovoltaic panels has gotten all the news attention. The fact is they work, but it's not cost effective at this time. They need more time to improve them and make them affordable. They were on a good path at making them more efficient until the government got involved. Photovoltaics ARE NOT solar energy, they are only a small segment of solar possibilities. If I can generalize, "ALL energy that we know of, IS solar energy". It all comes from the sun somewhere in it's creation. Wind is originated by the sun heating and cooling the Earth. Fossil fuels originates from the sun. The energy made by our own bodies comes from the animals we eat, that ate the grass, that grew from photosythesis. Bio-fuels are the same. Nuclear energy too! Everything on the planet is possible because of the sun! No, I am not a sun worshipper, but I can see the thinking of those that are. Let's look at the politics. If we make solar energy practical and mainstream, how do we tax it? There's no gallons or kilowatts to consume or measure easily. There are people living off the grid successfully. If everyone did that, we'd be self sufficient. Talk about freedom. The present government can't allow that to happen! I checked with my electric company. They were all for allowing me to erect a homemade wind turbine and sell back the excess to them. I didn't expect their positve interest until I ran the numbers. I'd send my extra energy back into their grid and they pay me a couple pennies. It doesn't go back to the plant, it goes next door to my neighbor, who then pays the power company full retail price, much more than what they paid me. There's little transmission 'resistance' loss when it only goes a couple feet compared to the power company sending it 50 miles. That's called free energy for THEM. I make it at MY expense, they sell it and it's 100% profit. It's called "Net Metering" and many States have a law that power companies must buy it back. One of the reasons for the new smart meters. The power company technical guy said, everyone should be doing this! Now I understand why. Bottom line is, solar, wind, hydrogen energy works. Some are more practicle than others in different environments and uses. Not one of them is our sole answer to our energy problems, but combined as a whole, they will make huge things possible. Yes, I even experimented with making HHO or hydrogen gas. Clean energy from plain old water! Make hydrogen from water! A friend asked if it was an internet scam. I humored him. So we did it without any plans, just theory. The small science experiment in the yard followed by the 'controlled' explosion was an eye opener. Not dangerous but pretty loud and funny. After picking himself off the ground, in a daze, he asked, "what happened"? I laughingly said, 'your skeptical experiment was a success'! That was more energy than we expected. It works! Threw it together with five dollars worth of junk and one hours worth of goofing around. Imagine if we put a little effort and knew what we were doing. We kinda knew! To summarize, get politics, regulations, and taxes away from energy and we won't have energy problems. The free market always finds a way to make things work. Just look at the keystone pipeline. It's proven, why don't we have it? Politics and regulation! We have the least fuel efficient cars in our Country because of the EPA and safety regulations. Both are good ideas being abused. AUTOMOTIVE HISTORY LESSON Brazil has mostly fuel efficient ethanol type fuel because their government made it the law. They have lots of sugar cane! The big three American carmakers told them it couldn't be done. Brazil told them they couldn't sell gasoline cars there. They had cars in the showrooms in 6 months! BTW, the same cars are sold here in the States. All of them are ethanol friendly, but they won't tell us that. They want us to PAY for the little 'green leaf' emblem on the fender as an option. The engines and computers are the same as in Brazil. If we do find 15% ethanol fuel in the States, it costs more than regular grade 100% petroleum. Truth is, it actually costs less to manufacture. Less polution as a free side benefit. Slightly less fuel economy too. Indianopolis racecars have been using ethanol for as long as I can recall. It burns slower and cooler which is better for the engines. Henry Fords first model T ran on ethanol. There was no such thing as gas stations or refineries back then. Which came first the chicken or the egg? When gas stations appeared they ran on ethanol in the country and petroleum in the cities. Damn, they had dual fuel cars 100 years ago! Farmers made their own fuel at home! It's the same as making 'shine! Then came taxes. There went the home-made fuel! Rudolf Diesel's first engine, also 100 years ago, ran on peanut oil, that's what we call bio-diesel today. At the same time we had electric cars and trucks too. They didn't work as well as the others. The batteries were too heavy and didn't last too long. Ya don't say!!! They had good power just didn't run as long as liquid fuel. I hope this little bit of information is a primer for all of us. Do not allow the experts to fool you with their government studies. None of this is rocket science, we just need to be allowed to apply our Good Old American Spirit and keep the politicians and regulators away from the people doing the actual work! They need to go get a real job!
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susieq_tx Harlingen, TX 64, joined Mar. 2011	Quote from scorpioamor: Just curious. Why do people vote Republican? Well Sir, until 2008, I had always voted for the winner, so I would say that makes me pretty mainstream in my thinking. I used to call myself a Democrat. Then by the time Kerry came along, I felt like Zell Miller...the party just left me. I'm seriously considering throwing in with the Libertarians. I don't like all their ideas, but I like most of them. I only worry about the foreign policy, but I believe that if push came to shove, popular opinion would force them into the right option. I'm going to vote Republican because for me, voting Democrat would be tantamount to voting Communist. In the case of Ozero, I think he is a Communist who does not even LIKE us. At least Hillary liked us as a nation.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from susieq_tx: Well Sir, until 2008, I had always voted for the winner, so I would say that makes me pretty mainstream in my thinking. I used to call myself a Democrat. Then by the time Kerry came along, I felt like Zell Miller...the party just left me. I'm seriously considering throwing in with the Libertarians. I don't like all their ideas, but I like most of them. I only worry about the foreign policy, but I believe that if push came to shove, popular opinion would force them into the right option. I'm going to vote Republican because for me, voting Democrat would be tantamount to voting Communist. In the case of Ozero, I think he is a Communist who does not even LIKE us. At least Hillary liked us as a nation. Squeezy??????????????? .............. ummmmmmmmm ........... ^^^^^^^^^^^ ....
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rcrmike Souderton, PA 58, joined Apr. 2009	Quote from onemoretime2c: For the recovery money they spent,they could have given everyone over 21 one million dollars charged them 50% tax and made them either pay off a home they own or buy a new one for cash.If they had money left over then buy a new US made car. Anything after that was theirs to keep and spend as they wished. Doing that would have solved the housing crisis, bailed out the US car makers and stimulated the economy.........anyone agree or disagree? opinions? I agree, with hindsight as our guide. We would have created a better result all around. Another option would have been a temporary tax holiday for all. Both individuals and businesses could have used the money not sent in as taxes to do what they wish. Businesses would have re-invested it in the hopes of making more money or hiring more employees, or updating equipment. Individuals could have paid bills, splurged on purchases, which the businesses supply them. All around there would have been 'Cash Flow' and employment instead of hoarding and foreclosures. Even the greedy banks would have had more people capable of a larger downpayment and would have qualified for more loans. The price of homes would have recovered by supply and demand. The tax holiday could have been for a fixed amount of time, which would have enticed people to do something NOW, rather than hold onto it. The government would have gotten it all back later. More people working and paying taxes, and less people on entitlements. The States would have collected sales taxes. Are there any downsides to these creative stimulus schemes? The only difference between your method and mine is that yours requires them to write and mail a check, and mine requires them to do nothing. The end result is the same. Cash Flow! Either one would have been a public relations success for the government. Good way to get re-elected too. Yikes! I bet there are dozens of options that could be better. But what do they have to show for it by doing it their way? A ruined World economy and angry citizens.
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deersnipper Lexington, SC 68, joined Feb. 2012	Obama explains new immigration plan, while heckled by reporter in Rose Garden By Liz Goodwin National Affairs Reporter PostsEmailRSSBy Liz Goodwin \| The Ticket – 3 hrs In a speech this afternoon in the Rose Garden, President Barack Obama explained his administration's decision to allow as many as 800,000 young illegal immigrants to apply for temporary legal status and work permits. Neil Munro, a reporter from the Daily Caller, interrupted the president twice, asking him to defend his statement that the move is the "right thing" for the country. Obama talked over the reporter but later in the speech addressed him, again asserting that the immigration decision is the right one. Munroe again interrupted Obama. "I didn't ask for an argument," the president said sharply, ending the unusual exchange. Obama went on with his speech. "They are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one--on paper," he said of the young illegal immigrants who will be affected by his plan. The sweeping proposal allows immigrants without criminal records who are under 30 years old, entered the country as children, have graduated from a U.S. high school and can prove they've lived in the country for five consecutive years to apply for temporary legal status and then two-year, renewable work permits. It does not provide them a path to citizenship. In his speech, Obama stressed that the move is "not amnesty," and he thinks Congress should still pass a broader legalization bill. The change could have big political implications. President Obama has faced criticism from the crucial Hispanic electorate for ramping up deportations under his tenure and for failing to deliver on his campaign promise to pass comprehensive immigration reform. Advocates and advisers worried that even though Obama enjoyed a big lead over Romney among Latino voters, a lack of enthusiasm could keep many of them home in key swing states like Nevada, Colorado, and Florida on Election Day. But his announcement is likely to generate interest among many Latinos: 87 percent of registered Latino voters said in a Latino Decisions poll that they support legalizing young immigrants. Young people who were brought into the country illegally or overstayed their visas as children are commonly called "Dreamers," referencing the title of a decade-old bill that would have given them a path to citizenship if they joined the military or attended college. The Dream Act passed the House nearly two years ago, but was blocked by Republicans in the Senate. Opponents of the bill have argued that it would encourage more people to enter the country illegally. But supporters say it helps those who were brought up as Americans and whose lack of status is not their own fault become full members of society. During the primary, Mitt Romney said he would veto the Dream Act, but in recent weeks he has seemed open to a proposal by Sen. Marco Rubio to grant Dreamers work permits but not a path to citizenship. Shortly after Obama's speech, Romney said the president's action would "make it more difficult to reach a long-term solution." Romney adviser Kevin Madden said on MSNBC that the move is "political" and that Romney will stay focused on the economy. It's telling that the Romney team--eager not to alienate Latino voters--isn't attacking Obama on the substance of the move, but only the process and motivations behind it. Many congressional Republicans are also criticizing the move as an executive overreach. "This decision avoids dealing with Congress and the American people instead of fixing a broken immigration system once and for all," wrote Sen. Lindsay Graham, one of the few congressional Republicans who supports immigration reform. "President Obama's decision to grant amnesty to potentially millions of illegal immigrants is a breach of faith with the American people," Rep. Lamar Smith, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a vocal illegal immigration opponent, said. In the past, Obama has said he doesn't have the power to stop the deportation of Dreamers. "There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply, through executive order, ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President," Obama told one Dreamer who asked him why he couldn't halt young people's deportations in March of 2011.
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wating2bfound Mooresville, NC 63, joined Oct. 2010	This is probably a repeat, but I came across it and wanted to share it anyway. I, personally, am not even suprised anymore...just scared! President Obama may have just made his most disturbing move yet. Forget the legislative process, he’s just granting immunity to illegal immigrants because he wants to. No Congress, no nothing. A cowardly act clearly designed to pander for votes – horrible. TheBlaze.com is reporting that the Obama Administration will stop deporting and start granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. Writers note: Ironic that someone whose starting point of legality is “an illegal immigrant” would be capable of leading a “law-abiding life”- interesting logic. The policy change, announced Friday by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation. It also bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan to establish a path toward citizenship for young people who came to the United States illegally but who have attended college or served in the military. On radio this morning, it’s safe to say that Glenn was less than pleased about this move from the Obama White House. He noted that the president isn’t trying to change the nation’s policies. “He’s not trying to get this through Congress. He is just, in a breakthrough fashion, seizing power,” Glenn told listeners. “This is exactly what a dictator does, not an American president. We are a constitutional republic. They don’t do that. He doesn’t have the ability. The Department of Homeland Security doesn’t have the authority to do this. Obama is now stopping all deportations for certain classes of illegal aliens. Essentially he is going to put in place the DREAM Act without dealing with the hassles of debating it, voting it, discussing it, even writing an executive order. He’s just doing it.” The plan coming from this administration would make illegals who are currently under 30 and were brought to the United States before the age of 16 immune to deportation if they have been living in the country for at least 5 continuous years. “So you have to be a consistent law breaker to get this benefit,” Stu commented. “This is pandering on a scale this country has never seen before,” Glenn said, while explaining that President Obama has just seized power in dictator-like fashion to mobilize the Hispanic vote without spending a dime on Spanish radio and television. Glenn has been warning Congress for years to take a stand against the lawlessness of the Obama Administration or they would become irrelevant. Today’s move on immigration appears to be the biggest example of their irrelevancy in the eyes of Barack Obama yet
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from scorpioamor: Just curious. Why do people vote Republican? The Republican party used to mean lower taxes, less regulation and smaller government. There isn't much difference in the two parties now except for ovomit. It is plain to see by conservative standards he is out to reduce America to a third world country. http://www.youtube.com/user/NewsmaxTV?v=UseYKxDLnOw
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copa157 Port Orange, FL 64, joined Jul. 2010	Quote from scorpioamor: Just curious. Why do people vote Republican? Hi scorpio...I've never seen you in the Bums before....welcome. I will tell you this is a conservative based thread....many here are republicans...many are just independent or tired of the BS from the cureent administration. Since there are only two viable parties....one is a socialist occupied and perverted version of the former democratic party...the other is Republican. Which are you voting with? Have fun here....but....Just know I have a short leash on this thread...it's for the sharing of info between like mined people....not a free for all like some other threads where the bottom dwellers on DH spew their venom.
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prxf Pittsburgh, PA 60, joined Dec. 2007	Hi Waiting, I read about that in disbelief. I'm almost afraid to think what he will do next. Scorpio, I'm a Republican because I believe in what the party used to stand for, being conservative which I still am, regardless of what my party is doing now. I was raised a Republican and I always will be.
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deersnipper Lexington, SC 68, joined Feb. 2012	Quote from wating2bfound: This is probably a repeat, but I came across it and wanted to share it anyway. I, personally, am not even suprised anymore...just scared! your right it is somewhat a repeat from the post above you just from a different source. maybe better said.
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borderlinegal Madison, IN 64, joined Aug. 2011	waiting, is there anything O won't do? I should not be surprised. And yet I say "you gotta be kidding me". Scared? Yes. But even more, He makes me sick. What goes on in that twisted mind of his? The real answer is, nothing. He is controlled. But I still don't think he is aware of that fact. We are in a mess.
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prxf Pittsburgh, PA 60, joined Dec. 2007	Border, I think you are right. I believes he is right, even though it does not make sense to us. The latest is his immigration law. That is unreal!
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scorpioamor Highlands, TX 56, joined Feb. 2012	Hi Copa! Voted Republican in my younger years.. As I traveled it gave me opportunities to meet wonderful people that didn't have the same background as me. As I began to Listen I realized I had more in common. As for who I vote for,I'm not really sure at this point. Anyway,my last post.. Didn't realize it was for like minded only. Have a great weekend!!
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009
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pyllgram Checotah, OK 67, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from scorpioamor: Hi Copa! Voted Republican in my younger years.. As I traveled it gave me opportunities to meet wonderful people that didn't have the same background as me. As I began to Listen I realized I had more in common. As for who I vote for,I'm not really sure at this point. Anyway,my last post.. Didn't realize it was for like minded only. Have a great weekend!! There are plenty of propaganda sites that wag the dog for ovomit. Conservative sites like this one just report on whats happening without the socialist spin. Pylgram

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