And we can argue all we want about the original intent of the 2nd amendment. But case law also sets precedent on future rulings any court can make. So the court saying people can keep weapons for self-defense is precedent.

quite a debate strategy ya' got there.

He can only reply with insults? Now there is the pan calling the kettle black.

One word? Silly.
That's you!

An intellectual attack by you is "not". Now as you said, back to topic.

If you actually buy a dangerous tool and before you attempt to use it, please learn to use it properly, safely, and legally. You will have to go to someone with training, knowledge, and experience to do that. You're gonna need one of those gun nuts badly. Otherwise you're likely to hurt yourself or, God forbid, someone else.

No one who is moderately intelligent, has a scrap of common sense, and demonstrates good judgement and maturity has ever shot up a crowded theater or school or anything like that. Only freaking weirdos do that kind of thing. It's the person, not the tool that does the work.

I agree. This p*ssy drgn dude has no idea about what it is or means to be on the pointy end of the stick. "Masters", good God, give me a break. He'a either gotta be drinking, doing some kind of rediculous drugs, or stupid or completely insane!

No "Master" can outrun a bullet at 3,000 feet per second. He must be reading "Remo and Chuin Destroyer" stories.

What a wuss? I had a a couple of newbies in Vietnam, one was a Massecucts farm boy, the other from New Jesrsey in the 186th Light Infantry Brigade, DaNang, 1972. The little freckle faced boy had reservations about having to actually shoot someone, the "Rican" from Jersey was all pumped about "killing dinks", and "bring 'em on". Well, the first abmbush we got into all hell broke lose ans was normal, lots of noise and confusion...as an infantry squad leader after it was settled down I took stock. My Massecucetts boy was firing into areas just as he learned in AIT. The Rican? He was balled up under a tree stump whimpering.

Drgan has no clue about killing or defending, just ideas about what he thinks. Thinking and knowing are compleely different things. What he thinks is far from the reality of such things. That brands him as a fool. He states he would end a confrontation with an armed crazy? Me thinks he would shoot more innocents than the perpetrator. He is clueless and completely bankrupt when it comes to reality.

Yea if the govt were to confiscate guns I wouldn't wanna be in law enforcement. I don't think the army could even do it. And not to mention the military would probably be on our side. Again good luck trying.

As a retird soldier I can surely attest that you wouldn't find a soldier that would participate in such a thing. Soldiers are taught and take an oath not to follow unlawful or immoral orders. They are taught to arrest their own commanders in that case. No more Me Lia's, Lt. Calley!

When a fool cannot hope to achieve parity with their betters the best they can do is attempt to bring them down to their level. It is a common left wing tactic. It is not possible for a left wing nutcase like yourself to be helpful to anyone I can think of, especially soldiers. The most mediocre soldier is your better by an infinite number of orders of magnitude. You can't even compete with a new recruit that has yet to have his first haircut or report for basic training. Such a sad fellow indeed.

You have my respect and my thanks for serving our nation. I'm just pissed man. I beat my head against the wall. I see all this stupid from all over the place. In my life and my job I have to solve problems. No matter what I'm doing Im solving a problem. All this stupid comes from the left and more and more the right. I don't know who to support anymore. Or what to think. I see our problems and the solutions seem so simple. Lmao I had a great uncle who gave me tons of life advice told me "boy, just cause its simple don't mean its easy." Plowin' that field is simple, but it anit easy.

Truth is, I am all over the place. Some things I'm liberal on. Some if not most I'm conservative on. Im willing to listen to both sides and come up with practical solutions to what ails us. Drives me nuts.

Once again, totally effin wrong, perhaps retarded as you freudianly slipped before!
My Ideas are totally INDEPENDENT of ANY party drivel and rhetoric, but DEFINITELY
SUPER CRITICAL OF THE SOLD OUT GOP!! Poor 58pile cannot get his head around this,
as if someone critical of the catholic church must be atheist for example.. That's
why he has to fall back on his military record whenever his lousy arguments don't
cut it... My brother(RIP), 2 cousins, uncle, and GM all served, I'm proud of them
and respect them all, but we all have and respect each other's opinions and politics,
based on FACT and LOGIC, not automatically discounting, discarding and disregarding
out of hand all that does not fit within our preconcieved notions....
As I'm sure all have noticed bmbleplot routinely ignores the illuminating points of
any argument and instead responds to that which he has twisted out of context in
order to attempt to assasinate the character of the better debator... this can be
somewhat tiresome but is very revealing of the constipated intellect(?) of said dodo.
He desperately needs to overstate condescendingly, repeatedly, that his plotview
is superior to all others and therefore he is justified to spout drunken insults
and pontificate ad nauseum.... This is so typical of most conservatives as to have
become stereotypical caricature (cartoonish) Foghorn Leghorn comes to mind...

BACK TO TOPIC:: as long as we keep having mass murders of unarmed civilians, gun
control will continue to be an issue, just like drunk driving or second hand smoke!
It is what it is, terrorist acts by individuals for reasons other than politics or
religion are still terrorist acts, and most people agree that they would like to
know who amongst them has autos and rpgs etc. Gun people need to police their own
ranks, just like all thrill seeker organizations, or the do gooders will try to
do it for them, that's just human nature in civilized society, not my opinion...

Dragn, a long personal attack isnt helpful.

And yes, as long as mass shootings keep happening gun control will be mentioned.. Me personally, i think more people just need to better protect themselves, police cant be everywhere or at an incident instantly. In the last case, they guy had no criminal record and snapped, nothing you can do about that...

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Actually, less than 1/3 of that last post was a (counter) attack against the one
who has consistently been on the attack against me, calling me fool, idiot,
p*ssy(sexual fantasy?), just for having a different opinion, and especially for being
able to back it up, and give back better...


what IS helpful was your next comment, although when I admitted to being a gun owner
and longtime self defense student and practitioner, that same guy tried to minimize
that because for him it has indeed become personal, how dare anyone have the freedom
to think differently than 5d8pile it....
I stand by my observations, sources, and opinions, and the right to have, voice,
and debate them as a natural born floridian and american citizen... Attack me for
this, and it quickly becomes personal...



I'll be getting my carry permit soon, ya?

OK, define "healty". Is that your colesterol level? Blood pressure? The fact that you are fat and prone to diabetes? Or is it simply peace of mind and enjoying what you do? Yu can eat like a saint and suffer from depression as a result. Obesety rates have nothing to do with national security. Me for one never liked to see a skinny mess sergeaant! I also had lots of "fat" guys that were much better soliders than their thin brothers. And besides...who the crap is some judge to decide what you do with your family? Project that onto "black culture" and see where it gets anyone. Dumb idea. Point is that government is only involved because they have a vested interest in your health because they have appropriated money to fix it for you. They never shoulda done that because it is none of their business. It is just another example fo them taking over and telling you what to do instead of the other way around. That's the point you youngun's miss. You are too used to government telling you what to do and accepting of it. What old people know is that it didn't used to be that way. Back "when" it was up to you and if you couldn't stand up, oh well, it sucked to be you. That kind of thinking built the nation, this progressive idea that government is your friend has bullshitted a couple generations into complacency and subservience. Government is not your friend, it is a necessary evil.