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8/29/2012 7:56:29 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


I started a thread that's built up enough momentum to shut them up for once. Anyone wants to contribute a vote to the poll please jump on in.






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8/29/2012 8:06:42 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
wynete101
Shippensburg, PA
29, joined Aug. 2012


NO

8/29/2012 8:09:12 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
z0ner
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,211)
Knob Lick, KY
31, joined Mar. 2012


* Beats dead horse

Current?

8/29/2012 8:10:26 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  

siegev
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (23,300)
Taylor, PA
32, joined Nov. 2010


Quote from wynete101:
NO


And...

Quote from z0ner:
* Beats dead horse

Current?




[Edited 8/29/2012 8:11:19 AM ]

8/29/2012 8:10:58 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
mcguire4u
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,702)
Bremen, GA
63, joined Sep. 2010


I've read all the theories on it and I think that is what they are, theories. Not that we don't have Bastards here that would be willing and capable of doing it. Love of money is going to destroy the world as we know it.

8/29/2012 8:11:53 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
nondescript
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,576)
Houston, TX
49, joined Jul. 2012


It was 11yrs ago and so not a current event...move on.

8/29/2012 8:12:45 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


One argument air force personal will present is why jets were not scrambled to intercept any of the hijacked planes when on any other day before or after it only takes a five minute window?



What is more likely, we have an incompetent system in place protecting us and a handful of poorly trained foreigners executed an impressive attack with amazing accuracy, or our power hungry dictators pulling the strings just tightened their grip upon us in broad daylight for the whole world to see?



It's all just very sophisticated organized crime... The crime of the century.

8/29/2012 8:14:57 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Quote from nondescript:
It was 11yrs ago and so not a current event...move on.


The current event is that people still believe the "official" story after all this time.

8/29/2012 8:15:07 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
nondescript
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,576)
Houston, TX
49, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from nondescript:
It was 11yrs ago and so not a current event...move on.


In case you missed it...

8/29/2012 8:15:52 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
nondescript
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,576)
Houston, TX
49, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from heart_healer:
The current event is that people still believe the "official" story after all this time.


No the clue is in the phrase "current EVENT"

It is not a current event...did you confuse event with topic of discussion?..(it's not even that anymore either).

8/29/2012 8:16:36 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
goodman4sum1
Over 7,500 Posts!! (9,650)
Reading, PA
48, joined Oct. 2009


Quote from heart_healer:
The current event is that people still believe the "official" story after all this time.


Okay. Let's stipulate that everyone believes you. Our own government did it.
Now what are you going to do about it?

8/29/2012 8:24:24 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Back in grade school I remember a history teacher mentioning how once every 20 years something tragic happens in America. I didn't think much of it, the though just lied dormant within me for years and years, until I began to see this, and all the other staged events.

It's much easier to hide in plain sight, for the world to see.













That last three just happen to be the school of business at the University of Houston, the seal in the pavement is just above the peak of the triangle / all seeing eye. Hiding in plain sight. I can't make this stuff up. Wake up.


That's not up to me what happens from here.

8/29/2012 8:29:14 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
mcguire4u
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,702)
Bremen, GA
63, joined Sep. 2010


The masons, those black balling bastards...they want us all dressed as clowns and riding Harley Davidson motorcycles...and what's with the fez?

8/29/2012 8:29:23 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
chasenarainbow
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,344)
Alexandroúpolis
Greece
61, joined Jul. 2012


Me thinks the OP has been watching to many movies with phsyco colored glasses. Or smoking a wee bit too much of the good stuff....

Either way, it's all plain ignorance on your part, and your not shutting up anyone here.

This bullshit should of been posted in Current events...........

8/29/2012 8:31:05 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
goodman4sum1
Over 7,500 Posts!! (9,650)
Reading, PA
48, joined Oct. 2009


Quote from mcguire4u:
The masons, those black balling bastards...they want us all dressed as clowns and riding Harley Davidson motorcycles...and what's with the fez?


You're thinking of the Shriners.

8/29/2012 8:34:02 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
2muchfreetime
Rochester, MN
57, joined Aug. 2012


The airplanes came from outside of the building. They were not built in the basement and brought up on elevators. It was an outside job. If the planes had suddenly burst out from within the building, then I would suspect it was an inside job.

In the sense that the money to fund the attack was collected through sales of oil, then you can get absurdly abstract about it and say some blame rests with anyone who buys oil or any products made from oil. I look at it differently. The men who flew the planes were the attackers. Had they not done that, there would have been no attack. That they had a reason for what they did is probably worth considering because by knowing why they decided to do it, you could look for anyone else who thinks that way, and try to stop them from attacking. But it comes down to the actors themselves no matter what else, and it was not an inside job at all. It was a small group of men deciding to murder thousands.

That bunch of attackers are dead now, so that's good, but the danger remains. I see the danger as being how people can turn over their lives to violent schemes even at the cost of their own lives, but I have no idea what to do about it. When our US soldiers fight and die on behalf of our freedom, as they say, the same principle is at work as when some suicidal bunch kills in the name of whatever they happen to think. It seems to me that we're stuck with the fact that people can and will sometimes decide to attack, for a reason or none. You can't remove reasons from people, or control thoughts, or watch everyone all of the time, or live in bunkers, or...it's a fact of life that violence is an option.

I'm thinking that conspiracy theories like this one, about some "real" story other than what obviously happened, sort of match the same kind of fantasy thinking that could be going on in the mind of a person who decided that flying an airplane into a building was what to do. There is probably some relationship between how far thoughts get from reality and how likely it is that a violent fantasy can seem reasonable as the justification for murder. In reality, nobody can come up with a good reason, either to murder others or to suspect a conspiracy. You have to roam a long ways to get someplace where delusional thinking is free from passing another reality checkpoint.

8/29/2012 8:39:16 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
wynete101
Shippensburg, PA
29, joined Aug. 2012


Honestly my brother is a conspiracy theory person too and it makes you think. But I mostly ignore him because he thought the Bird Flu was like a gov't created disease and they were infecting people to make money off the shots which in turn made the people sick so they'd get more money ............ But he said it much more smarter like ..... I like to simplify!! Anyways 9/11 was unfortunate and the eye thingy on the dollar bill and how you see it almost everywhere atleast according to you is freaky .......... but I don't care. I know it's a horrific attitude to have and I wish I could get into it like you but even if i did believe and started talking all crazy like you ........... what does it matter ..... I mean what are you doing about it, I mean talking is all good .... but what are you doing? You are doing nothing so it's irrelevant!! When you plan on hosting a gov't upheaval party let me know I always wanted to join a rebel force!!! LOL

8/29/2012 8:40:07 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
bombasticone
Over 2,000 Posts (3,420)
Saint Albans, NY
24, joined Jul. 2012


9/11 made it possible for them to enable the patriot act.. I'm pretty sure it was an inside job plus bush family owns oil companies so when we went to Iraq he is getting a bunch of money supplying oil.. Common sense says it was an inside job, the plane wasn't even half full when does that happen. And on top of that as soon as the plane got hijacked the airport would know right away and you really think a plane could bring down buildings that big with reinforced steel it was a demolition job the building fell straight down, little to perfect

8/29/2012 8:44:27 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  

ianiromus
New Castle, DE
60, joined Aug. 2012


Grow up, keep moving OP.
11 years ago, was news, now it’s an antic issue.
Was never an inside job!
The responsible one, just got wacked!

8/29/2012 9:38:24 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012










Notice how superheated dust clouds form in nature.

Now look at a known controlled demolition.








This last one must have forgotten to fall down, it fell over.

8/29/2012 9:41:27 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
nondescript
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,576)
Houston, TX
49, joined Jul. 2012


Smoke (rising)

No shit????

8/29/2012 9:42:17 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT BY THE FIRM OF WORTHINGTON, SKILLING, HELLE & JACKSON IS THE MOST COMPLETE AND DETAILED OF ANY EVER MADE FOR ANY BUILDING STRUCTURE. THE PRELIMINARY CALCULATIONS ALONE COVER 1,200 PAGES AND INVOLVE OVER 100 DETAILED DRAWINGS.
...
4. BECAUSE OF ITS CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THAT OF A STEEL BEAM 209' DEEP, THE TOWERS ARE ACTUALLY FAR LESS DARING STRUCTURALLY THAN A CONVENTIONAL BUILDING SUCH AS THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING WHERE THE SPINE OR BRACED AREA OF THE BUILDING IS FAR SMALLER IN RELATION TO ITS HEIGHT.
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5. THE BUILDING AS DESIGNED IS SIXTEEN TIMES STIFFER THAN A CONVENTIONAL STRUCTURE. THE DESIGN CONCEPT IS SO SOUND THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE IN HIS DESIGN WITHOUT ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE ECONOMICS OF THE STRUCTURE. ...
At the time the Twin Towers were built, the design approach of moving the support columns to the perimeter and the core, thereby creating large expanses of unobstructed floor space, was relatively new, and unique for a skyscraper. However, that approach is commonplace in contemporary skyscrapers.

Frank Demartini's Statement

Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, spoke of the resilience of the towers in an interview recorded on January 25, 2001.

The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting.
Demartini, who had an office on the 88th floor of the North Tower, has been missing since the 9/11/01 attack, having remained in the North Tower to assist in the evacuation. 6   Demartini had first worked at World Trade Center when Leslie E. Robertson Associates hired him to assess damage from the truck bombing in 1993.

LINK
Like All Skyscrapers, the Twin Towers Were Over-Engineered

One aspect of engineering that is not widely understood is that structures are over-engineered as a matter of standard practice. 7   Steel structures like bridges and buildings are typically designed to withstand five times anticipated static loads and 3 times anticipated dynamic loads. The anticipated loads are the largest ones expected during the life of the structure, like the worst hurricane or earthquake occurring while the floors are packed with standing-room-only crowds. Given that September 11th was not a windy day, and that there were not throngs of people in the upper floors, the critical load ratio was probably well over 10, meaning that more than nine-tenths of the columns at the same level would have to fail before the weight of the top could have overcome the support capacity of the remaining columns.

There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings. According to the 1964 white paper cited above, a Tower would still be able to withstand a 100-mile-per-hour wind after all the perimeter columns on one face and some of the columns on each adjacent face had been cut. 8   Also, John Skilling is cited by the Engineering News Record for the claim that "live loads on these [perimeter] columns can be increased more than 2000% before failure occurs." 9


8/29/2012 9:42:47 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  

ayemie
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,234)
Granite Bay, CA
45, joined Jul. 2010


I knew Todd Beamer he was a childhood friend of my brother. I also knew Mark Bingham he was a year older then me in school and a good friend. Both died on flight 93. I choose to believe they and the others on that plane died as heroes. That they decided to do something to not let the highjackers take the lives of more people on the ground and with the small possibility of saving their own live as well.

8/29/2012 9:45:22 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012




A video of a firefighter describing seeing molten "steel" flowing at ground zero after 9/11 has emerged on Google video. He states that it was like a foundry or "lava in a volcano". This is an extremely important piece of footage because it highlights the fact that something other than jet fuel fires, or in the case of building 7, office material fires, was responsible for the collapse of the buildings. There are lots of accounts alleging that rescue workers encountered molten steel.




http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?p=954

Here are just a few of the witnesses and recordings that NIST says DO NOT exist.
You be the judge.

Here’s NIST’s Statement from their website “Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.

In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. …”




8/29/2012 9:49:57 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Quote from ayemie:
I knew Todd Beamer he was a childhood friend of my brother. I also knew Mark Bingham he was a year older then me in school and a good friend. Both died on flight 93. I choose to believe they and the others on that plane died as heroes. That they decided to do something to not let the highjackers take the lives of more people on the ground and with the small possibility of saving their own live as well.


If a personal friend of mine that I cared about died in some questionable event... I would want to know the truth beyond the shadow of a doubt. For some reason, the people who devote their entire lives to the singal purpose of constructing towers say this was done deliberately, doesn't that make you wonder? These aren't nut job conspiracy theorist, these are well educated people who travel the world designing structures.

8/29/2012 9:52:15 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
lowcountry23
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (22,295)
Saint Johns, FL
35, joined Sep. 2011


Who cares people are dead and they ain't coming back

8/29/2012 10:01:46 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  

mr_imperfect
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,714)
Philadelphia, PA
54, joined Sep. 2011


You know this makes me laugh. All you a**holes called Bush a bumbling buffoon and talked shit about how if it wasn't for daddy's cronies to help him this country would have been in deeper shit yet at the same time you want to give him credit enough for masterminding 9/11 so which is it. Was he a bumbling buffoon or an. Evil genius who plotted the mass murder of 3,000 American Citizens?

To answer the question btw no it was not an inside job. Just as the news reported it was a vicious terrorist attack carried out by Islamic extremists for no other reason than they hate everything America stands for and the fact that we stand up for the Israeli regime.

8/29/2012 10:56:15 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Not one person opposed provides any evidence otherwise beside "they said so." Bush was just a puppet, like every other president. Hardly an evil genius. However the masons and illuminate claim to date back to the summarians, 8,000 years ago, and wish to create a one world "democracy."

It amazes me how deeply suddated people are these days. If the planes themselves caused the collapse, the top would have snapped off from the base and fell to the side. What happened that day was vertical disentigration. Notice the towers came down at free fall speed, even WTC 7 which was not hit by a plane.

What do new yorkers think?



It was even reported to have collapsed over an hour before by the British.



It had only a few small fires, hardly any damage.



8/29/2012 11:32:09 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Quote from nondescript:
Smoke (rising)

No shit????


Smoke does rise. What happens to supper heated clouds of ash and dust? How could the single impact and weak a** fires cause the entire 110 story building to turn into superheated ash, twisted heaps of steel, and pools of molten steel?

8/29/2012 11:41:49 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Quote from firedude886:
i do not think that the planes crashing into the world trade center was an inside job.....
it was just a retaliation against our country for the acts of terrorism that we commit against other countries...

what they did is not any different than when we send our unmanned drones across the borders into soveriegn countries,and drop bombs,and murder their citizens,but we seem to think that THAT is ok,because WE are the ones doing it.

what i do think is a conspiracy/cover up is flight 93...

they keep telling us that the passengers of that flight bravely fought back against the hijackers,and made them crash that plane,because the passengers would rather die than let some terrorists win...

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED is that WE SHOT FLIGHT 93 DOWN,over an empty field,before the terrorists could crash it into a heavily populated area,and raise the casualty count.

i do not disagree with what they did!!
that is common sense,and that is the protocol that is in place,that we are supposed to follow in a situation like this,to save any additional loss of life,but our government is never going to admit that they shot it down,and killed innocent american citizens,because of the negative publicity that would cause,so they put out this propaganda that the passengers were heros,who crashed it themselves,conveniently,into an empty field,to protect themselves from negative public reaction,and to further stir up jingoistic feelings of patriotism.

does anybody want to dispute this?


You must have gotten this idea from Ron Paul. He puts up a good front, he would be the lesser of two evils for sure. However his campaign reminds me all to much of the city of Zion in the matrix movies, it's only there to give people false hope that the system if fair. But he is just as much a part of it as anybody else. Rises up during every election, then fades away before the final hour.

It's funny how far people will go to defend the government that is steadily raping them. Some claimed they crashed vertically, which is why there were no remains of a plane visible and a very narrow strip of debris. If they had been shot down, wreckage would have been scattered for miles. When the shuttle blew up, it was spread across states.

8/29/2012 12:16:25 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
icebergtheory
Lebanon, CT
52, joined Jan. 2012


My reasoning for thinking it was NOT an inside job:

They wiped out the creme de la creme among financial technicians that keep the upper class rolling in dough. They could have achieved the same effect by wiping out, say, a football stadium full of nobodies without losing all those high-value individuals.

In fact, attacking the superbowl probably would have gotten war fever burning even more intensely among the populace than an attack on a center of world finance.

8/29/2012 12:36:16 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
scape_goat
Over 1,000 Posts (1,788)
Columbia, SC
60, joined Jun. 2012


I first heard of this conspiracy 3-4 years ago & did not believe it then. Now this otherwise very intelligent fellow is sounding persuasive on something I would rather not believe. I get that our government is evil & all, mismanaged, corrupt, on the take from the tobacco lobby & every other tom, d*ck, or harry

Does that make Bush a war criminal?

8/29/2012 12:46:28 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Firedude. Let's argue over a plane crash because you have nothing on the miles of evidence on the world trade centers. Sure, the media showed everyone exactly what the censors allowed them to show. We can argue all day and get nowhere making the whole thing look like a big waste of time.

I prefer to focus upon the most blantanly obvious evidence at hand, the two towers specifically designed for such an event, and the third that had hardly any damage all turning to molten steel and clouds of dust (pulverized cement). The fire fighters thought it was strange how there were no large hunks of cement left over, it had all been disentigrated.

Wrap your mind around the reality of the most obvious evidence, then the rest will take shape.

The towers could have held 2,000% of the intended load. Like all buildings and bridges, they were over engineered.




[Edited 8/29/2012 12:49:58 PM ]

8/29/2012 1:25:50 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Wow, so you're just going to ignore three buildings dropping at free fall speed? How can you expect to progress in truth with ignorance as the foundation for your opinions?

8/29/2012 1:43:56 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  

thunder_lover71
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Mount Pleasant, MI
45, joined Sep. 2008


Yes the government was in on it , they knew if they could instal fear into people that the people would go along with anything they wanted just to feel safe

8/29/2012 2:12:10 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  

pdforone
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (27,082)
Litchfield, OH
65, joined Jul. 2010


Congress passed laws that allow for easy access into this country, so yes it was an inside job!

8/29/2012 2:48:33 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  

thunder_lover71
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,812)
Mount Pleasant, MI
45, joined Sep. 2008


And why didn't the towers fall to one side? , they both came strait down like in demo, the reason why they were employded from the ground floor

8/29/2012 4:24:27 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Quote from firedude886
i'm sorry...
i did not realize that this was your thread!!!
i didnt really mean to hijack it like that!
my bad!!
===============================
If they can plan the demolition of three buildings over months and years, they can plan the hijack of a handful of planes.



[Edited 8/29/2012 4:24:50 PM ]

8/30/2012 5:29:13 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
mcguire4u
Over 7,500 Posts!! (7,702)
Bremen, GA
63, joined Sep. 2010


Pressure creates heat...how much pressure would a 125 story building put on you if it fell on you? That is why out of the thousands killed, very few bodies were recovered. The plane hitting the Pentagon is the real puzzle..where did it go?

8/30/2012 7:36:41 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012




Or why did the top of the building collapse straight down instead of fall off to the side?

8/30/2012 8:03:45 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  

mischiefmanaged
Over 2,000 Posts (3,153)
Bellevue, WA
46, joined Jul. 2010


I have no idea if it was an inside job or not. history is a long string of conspiracies. People conspire to gather and hold power in every era. When we look back at them it's clear they had no ethics or morals. Yet in the thick of things it's inconceivable that people would commit atrocities. conspiring has happened before, there's no reason it won't happen again. i think we'd be foolish to immediately dismiss the idea. But I also don't like to base things on just a feeling, I like hard evidence. There were nano-ferrites, or some sort of complex accelerant that would weaken the WTC structures, found at the scene. That doesn't happen coincidentally, it's not something you'd put on a building to make it stronger. How they got there or why or by whom is anyone's guess. But it makes more sense that planes plus another agent brought the buildings down, compared to just planes alone.

8/30/2012 8:27:24 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
mrsteads
Madison, WI
32, joined Aug. 2012


Mere week before the towers were attacked. Our government had war games going on to simulate the same shit that happened. The conclusion they came to is...they could have fighter jets to intercept any off route aircraft! At that time we had over 5 jets within 5 minutes away! Our government decided to scramble 2 jets up from over 200 miles away. As far as our Capitol building being hit by a 757 Boeing! Why when they swept the grounds for any plane debrit. They couldn't find more than a couple dozen pieces of mangled debrit from an aircraft that wasn't even from the same company that makes Boeing??

8/30/2012 8:35:28 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
spiceythang
Over 7,500 Posts!! (9,340)
Fayetteville, NC
37, joined May. 2012


Quote from mcguire4u:
The masons, those black balling bastards...they want us all dressed as clowns and riding Harley Davidson motorcycles...and what's with the fez?



8/31/2012 9:46:44 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


One of the most common counter arguments is that steel weakens when heated, however what we see here isn't weakened steel, it's molten steel.



8/31/2012 9:59:01 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
jad071571
Over 2,000 Posts (3,862)
West Memphis, AR
49, joined Oct. 2011


when was the last time i told you to shut the f**k up?

8/31/2012 10:24:40 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
flhreagle
Over 1,000 Posts (1,740)
Fort Mohave, AZ
51, joined Jul. 2012


DUSTIN

your rejects in current events

Are invading the other forums

Are they so sick of each other they need to break out and sicken others

With their foolish nonsense?

please move this thread to where it belongs

8/31/2012 10:53:11 AM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Quote from jad071571:
when was the last time i told you to shut the f**k up?


Did you miss me?

Here is what New Yorkers have created. People who were there and came to their own conclusions after seeing, hearing, and feeling the explosions.



This is what happens to true witnesses...



8/31/2012 1:13:12 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
honey_man
Corryton, TN
39, joined Jul. 2012


Was 9/11 an inside job?

Hell no. Just like with the Lucitania and Pearl Harbor the government doesn't pull the trigger on war catalysts like that, they just set us up by making us a target and failing to connect the dots. But that is the extent of the government's involvement.

8/31/2012 1:54:06 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
yourfirst1
Mc Arthur, OH
38, joined Aug. 2012


I don't know about 911, but have allot of family coming back from Iraq, and they are pissed ! They say it is all about money, I hope for are sake they are wrong !

8/31/2012 2:00:09 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
honey_man
Corryton, TN
39, joined Jul. 2012


Quote from yourfirst1:
I don't know about 911, but have allot of family coming back from Iraq, and they are pissed ! They say it is all about money, I hope for are sake they are wrong !


Did you really think it would be about something else? If so, what did you think it would be about?



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8/31/2012 2:04:55 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
yourfirst1
Mc Arthur, OH
38, joined Aug. 2012


Unfortunately I agree with you !

8/31/2012 6:14:51 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


Here's another hole in the official report.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16924


1. The FBI on the Possibility of High-Altitude Cell Phone Calls in 2001

I have suggested that the FBI’s report to the Moussaoui trial in 2006 implied its acceptance of the argument, made by some members of the 9/11 Truth Movement, that cell phone calls from high-altitude airliners would have been impossible, or at least virtually so. One critic, however, said: “The FBI hasn't admitted anything about the possibility of making cell phone calls at 30,000 feet.”5 It is true that the FBI has never explicitly stated that such calls are impossible, or at least too improbable to affirm. But its report for the Moussaoui trial, I have argued, implies an acceptance of this view.


Cell Phone Limitations

Given the cell phone technology available in 2001, cell phone calls from airliners at altitudes of more than a few thousand feet, especially calls lasting more than a few seconds, were virtually – and perhaps completely – impossible. And yet many of the reported cell phone calls occurred when the planes were above 25,000 or even 40,000 feet24 and also lasted a minute or more – with Amy Sweeney’s reported call even lasting for 12 minutes.25

Three problems have been pointed out: (1) The cell phone in those days had to complete a “handshake” with a cellsite on the ground, which took several seconds, so a cell phone in a high-speed plane would have had trouble staying connected to a cellsite long enough to complete a call. (2) The signals were sent out horizontally, from cellsite to cellsite, not vertically. Although there was some leakage upward, the system was not designed to activate cell phones at high altitudes.26 (3) Receiving a signal was made even more difficult by the insulation provided by the large mass of an airliner.

Well-known Canadian scientist and mathematician A. K. Dewdney, who for many years had written a column for Scientific American, reported early in 2003 on experiments showing that these difficulties would have rendered impossible at least most of the reported cell phone calls from the 911 airliners.27 His experiments involved both single- and double-engine airplanes.

Dewdney found that, in a single-engine plane, successful calls could be counted on only under 2,000 feet. Above that altitude, they became increasingly unlikely. At 20,000 feet,

“the chance of a typical cellphone call making it to ground and engaging a cellsite there is less than one in a hundred.... [T]he probability that two callers will succeed is less than one in ten thousand.”

Conclusion

Although this essay has focused on details, often minute, in merely one aspect of the official account of 9/11, the implications are enormous. Without the widespread assumption that the 9/11 attacks had been planned and carried out by al-Qaeda, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would not have been possible. With regard to the war in Afghanistan in particular, Michel Chossudovsky has recently emphasized the fact that NATO’s decision to support this US-led war was based on a briefing by Frank Taylor of the US State Department, in which he provided what was called conclusive evidence of al-Qaeda’s responsibility for the attacks.121 Although the contents of Taylor’s briefing have never been made public, the main evidence provided to the general public has consisted of the hijack-describing phone calls reportedly received from passengers and flight attendants aboard the airliners. But when subjected to a detailed analysis, these alleged phone calls, far from supporting the war-justifying story, lead to a very different conclusion: that these alleged calls were faked. This analysis thereby suggests that the entire 9/11 story used to justify the US-led wars is a lie.

If asked which part of the official story can be most definitively shown to be false, I would speak not of the alleged phone calls but of the destruction of the World Trade Center, the official account of which says that the Twin Towers and WTC 7 came down without the aid of pre-set explosives. Given the fact that this theory involves massive violations of basic laws of physics, the evidence against it is so strong as to be properly called proof – as I have recently emphasized in a book-length critique of the official report on WTC 7 in particular.122

Nevertheless, the importance of the evidence against the official account provided by analyzing the alleged phone calls should not be minimized. If the official story is false, then we should expect every major dimension of it to be false – which, as I have emphasized in another recent book, can be seen to be the case.123 It is this cumulative argument that provides the strongest disproof of the official, war-justifying account of 9/11. The evidence that the alleged phone calls from the airliners were faked is an important part of this cumulative argument.124

8/31/2012 6:24:30 PM Current events and politics. Was 9/11 and inside job?  
heart_healer
New Caney, TX
32, joined May. 2012


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