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7/31/2013 9:48:40 AM Do you buy American cars, by brand or by content, or not at all?  
rcrmike
Over 2,000 Posts (2,942)
Souderton, PA
59, joined Apr. 2009


I've often wondered about how buyers and companies measured this. Now we have a few conflicting measuring standards. Does it matter to us? Let's see what our DH automotive enthusiasts think about it. First do you choose to buy American? Second, how do you wish to measure what is defined as American.

I've seen "Made in America" defined by lawyers as anything made in North, Central, and South America. It might be legal, but it's deceptive. I like the "Made in the USA" much better. I've had one non-automotive manufacturer "explain" to me that the "law states" that if it has 18% American made content, they can advertise "Made in America". That includes the box, packing materials and instructions. When I opened the box, the main component had a "Made in China" decal on it. What do you think?



BUY AMERICAN
Finally, real details on which cars made in U.S.

Roger Simmermaker cites new auto index as having most accurate information

Published: 12 hours ago Roger Simmermaker

We finally have an American-ness auto index that rightfully blows the Cars.com American-made index out of the water! The deeply flawed and misleading Cars.com index found the Toyota Camry to be the most American car in 2012 (and No. 2 in 2013), but as I pointed out in an earlier Buy American Mention of the Week article, this was a flawed analysis because it ignored too many other important factors.

Now, with the Kogod Made in America Auto Index, which takes these other important factors, like the location of research and development and company headquarters, into account, we have a much better and more accurate analysis. It turns out that three GM models are tied for the top spot of most American made, not the Toyota Camry, which is tied for 12th place with two other Toyotas.

The most-informative and well-known education tool for car consumers today comes courtesy of the American Auto Labeling Act (AALA), which helps car buyers select new vehicles by providing country of origin information on vehicles and their parts, and is displayed on each new vehicle available.

The AALA, which was enacted in 1992, was an important step forward in educating car consumers about things like the point of final assemble, the origin of the engine and transmission, and the percentage of domestic (U.S./Canadian) parts. You can see all of the details listed above for all of the automobiles at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s website dating back to 2007. The 2014 model year is also available.

However, as Frank DuBois, a former VW auto mechanic and now an associate professor of international business, points out, the AALA has become less accurate and less useful as time goes on and globalization grows. Not only is there an obvious skepticism with “domestic” parts content being defined as a combination of U.S. and Canadian parts, there are other problematic situations.

WND is so committed to U.S. jobs it has launched the American Made Stores, providing an opportunity to shop like a real American.

The 2013 Honda Accord as one such example. The final assembly lists both the U.S. and Japan. The engines can come from the U.S. or Japan, and the transmission can come from Japan or the U.S. (as opposed to “U.S. or Japan” as listed for the engine).

But the Accord can also come with either a four-cylinder or six-cylinder engine. The six-cylinder Honda Accords are assembled in Japan, with a Japanese engine and transmission. But since the car is part of the overall Accord car line (which includes the Civic Coupe, Civic Sedan, Civic Si Sedan, etc.), an Accord that was made in Japan would display a window sticker claiming 65 percent domestic content.

DuBois’ index ranks 253 models in the Kogod Made in America Auto Index based on:

•where the manufacturer’s headquarters is located;
•where most research and development (R&D) occurs;
•where assembly occurs;
•where the engine and transmission come from; and
•the AALA score.
Dubois notes other interesting statistics. For example, out of Ford’s 56 research centers, 45 of them are located in the United States. Ford employs four out of every 10 of its workers in the U.S., while Toyota only employs one out of 10 of its workers in the U.S.

When all of the above considerations are averaged, GM scores the highest, followed by Chrysler and Ford, and their averages are substantially higher than Honda, Toyota, and other foreign automakers.

According to Dubois, foreign automakers “want to be a global enterprise with a strong local presence, but where the rubber meets the road, where do the profits go? The profits go, more often than not, back to the home country of the manufacturer.”

This statement by Dubois (and others) gives credibility to what I have always said since I began writing books on Buying American nearly 20 years ago and chronicled many articles on my website www.howtobuyamerican.com. Any “Buy American” information or education campaign, if it is to be truly accurate, must contain considerations of where the headquarters is located, and hence where the profits go.

There are other websites available that give you different perspectives on what is really American and what isn’t. Edmunds.com came out with an article titled “How To Buy An American Car” and another one titled “Foreign Cars Made in America: Where Does the Money Go?” on June 19. Even though I don’t necessarily agree with all of the information contained on these websites (mainly because they don’t take into account the information in the Kogod Made in America Auto Index) they are certainly useful in offering different perspectives on different parts of the “Buy American” picture.

At least Edmunds does admit that “It’s a safe bet to say that even a company as large as Toyota doesn’t have as hefty a U.S. tax bill as does a Ford or GM.”

But as with other indexes, they don’t apply enough weight to this all important fact, in my opinion.

Everyone has a different definition of what makes a car or truck truly American, and there is plenty of data to either create or support your own criteria for what is American and what isn’t. In my opinion, however, the Kogod Made in America Auto Index is the best because it is the most accurate and most inclusive.

All data is helpful, as long as you apply the proper emphasis on where the company headquarters is located, which determines where the profits go and where the taxes are paid. This is what completes the “Buy American” picture in the purest sense of the term.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/finally-real-details-on-which-cars-made-in-u-s/#mD0oSJ08wHXrqs7G.99

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7/31/2013 5:37:22 PM Do you buy American cars, by brand or by content, or not at all?  
karrpilot
Over 1,000 Posts (1,944)
Oswego, IL
54, joined Jul. 2009


I buy American cars because I work for the government. Showing up in a non USA product ain't exactly cool. And besides, we have accounts for the big 3. I can pretty much get the information I need to keep my American car running. Not so with any foreign vehicle.

That being said, since I do indeed work on all of them at some point, my preference is GM vehicles. Granted, I do NOT like all of the GM products. There is NO way I would ever buy a Chevy Spark, Sonic, Volt, or Corvette. I like vehicles with room and comfort. I am almost 50 years old. I don't want to drive either a go cart, or a vehicle I need to see a chiropractor after a 1/2 hour of being in it.

Chryslers seem to rot and fall apart right after the warranties expire, and I have had my fair share of Ford's pitiful customer service. I should say, their LACK of customer service. Not to mention the attitudes I get in a Ford service department. Or when Ford obsoletes their repair parts.


I suspect I will be vehicle shopping in the next 3-4 years. By that time, I should have 200K on my current ride, and it will be time for me to look out the windshield of a new one.

7/31/2013 7:32:21 PM Do you buy American cars, by brand or by content, or not at all?  

luckylouie42
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,003)
Cedar Grove, WV
75, joined Mar. 2008


I buy chevrolets, but i must admit, the best chevy truck i ever had was made in canada.

8/2/2013 6:19:16 AM Do you buy American cars, by brand or by content, or not at all?  
truecityfarmer
Huntington, WV
47, joined Dec. 2012


Im into small trucks. Had a ranger for 23 yrs ,have a 96 s-10(cant get parts to fix) talked to some old GM employees the parts was availble not anymore. Do to ranger,dakota,, s-10 not being made anymore I had to buy a frontier. I went to local ford dealership looking at a used ranger they wouldn't even talk to me..

8/19/2013 9:37:43 AM Do you buy American cars, by brand or by content, or not at all?  

1irving
Over 1,000 Posts (1,978)
Ruskin, FL
57, joined Mar. 2013


I'm an ASE Master, L1. No. Though Chrysler and Ford have made great improvements in the last 10 years. I also work on Harleys, so of course I ride a Yamaha.