Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?

9/6/2013 12:27:02 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
inventtis2 South Haven, MI 37, joined Nov. 2012 online now!	I see a lot of political issues where listed which are outside the scope of capitalism. Maybe it should be titled why do you love government. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
9/6/2013 12:34:29 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from inventtis2: I see a lot of political issues where listed which are outside the scope of capitalism. Maybe it should be titled why do you love government. The common thread is that because of the way your government requires billions in "campaign financing" from wealthy special interests, it is essentially owned by the Capitalists.
9/6/2013 12:49:05 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from verat: im still waiting for you t show me some successful truly communist countries. The fact that every attempt at socialism has so far been met with a successful right-wing counter-attack does not mean socialism must be a "failure." It's funny how every failure of capitalism is met with trillions in government bailouts, horrific world war, new and untested financial schemes (i.e., quantitative easing), etc. in the attempt to make it work merely for the lucky capitalist few. Remember, capitalism has always been a total affront and abject failure for the world's masses, 80% of whom live on $10 per day or less. As I've already pointed out, the "success" of capitalism is highly exaggerated. Additionally, there is no inherent need for humanity to be led by a criminal cabal of super-rich, capitalist elites who siphon all of the wealth created by the productive members of society into their own bloated coffers. The fact of the matter is that socialism has never failed anywhere and, in fact, it cannot possibly fail. Socialism is nothing more than government by the working class with an organized and planned economy. The failure of socialism would be nothing less than the failure of humanity. Socialism is a much more vibrant economy than capitalism since workers are not merely slaves, rather they are able to participate in the economy as consumers. Capitalists don't despise socialism because it lacks the ability to spur economic growth. They despise it because the wealth being created by workers goes to the workers who produced it rather than it being redistributed to lazy, non-productive capitalists lounging around at their clubs and on their yachts. --------------- The Revolution Betrayed - a Marxist masterpiece by Alan Woods http://www.trotsky.net/revolution_betrayed.html Excerpt: As Trotsky points out in The Revolution Betrayed, for the first time the viability of socialism was demonstrated, not in the language of dialectics, but in the language of steel, coal, electricity and cement. The nationalised planned economy established by the October Revolution succeeded in a remarkably short time in transforming an economy as backward as Pakistan today into the second most powerful nation on earth. [Edited 9/6/2013 12:49:38 PM ]
9/6/2013 2:41:18 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Lobo, "socialistic" is a term with a very, very concrete meaning. Socialism means that government owns all or part of the businesses in a country or region. Capitalism means that businesses are owned by individuals. On the surface, one would think that it sure would be better if the government owned all the businesses--if the government did, it could eliminate all unfairness. It could keep rich people from getting even richer with their increased profits, and that money could somehow be given or distributed or retained by the poor and the middle class. It sounds great, but long historical experience has shown us that it just doesn't. The capitalist owners of businesses, even if they spend and party too much, even if they are sometimes snooty as they stroll the avenue, must have efficiencies in their businesses. Government doesn't need efficiencies. Those efficiencies make the difference between a prosperous nation and a poor nation. "Any man who isn't a liberal at age 20 doesn't have a heart. But any man who isn't a conservative at age 40 doesn't have a brain." --Winston Churchill
9/6/2013 2:59:41 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from ludlowlowell: Lobo, "socialistic" is a term with a very, very concrete meaning. Socialism means that government owns all or part of the businesses in a country or region. Capitalism means that businesses are owned by individuals. Actually, that is not at all the definition of socialism. Socialism, as defined by the father of socialism, Karl Marx, is government by the working class. ------------------- Why Socialism By Albert Einstein http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism Excerpt: Nevertheless, it is necessary to remember that a planned economy is not yet socialism. A planned economy as such may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual.
9/6/2013 3:01:05 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from ludlowlowell: On the surface, one would think that it sure would be better if the government owned all the businesses--if the government did, it could eliminate all unfairness. It could keep rich people from getting even richer with their increased profits, and that money could somehow be given or distributed or retained by the poor and the middle class. It sounds great, but long historical experience has shown us that it just doesn't. The capitalist owners of businesses, even if they spend and party too much, even if they are sometimes snooty as they stroll the avenue, must have efficiencies in their businesses. Government doesn't need efficiencies. Those efficiencies make the difference between a prosperous nation and a poor nation. "Any man who isn't a liberal at age 20 doesn't have a heart. But any man who isn't a conservative at age 40 doesn't have a brain." --Winston Churchill Countries are not poor, rather the working class people are. They are poor because they are raped into poverty by global capitalism. The great lover of fascism, Winston Churchill, might not be the best figure to be quoting when it comes to political analysis. ----------- World War Two: Lessons and Warnings By Nick Beams 18 November 2009 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/11/nbww-n18.html Excerpt: When Hitler was a still unknown right-wing fanatic thumping the tables in the beer halls of Munich, Churchill, a government minister, was denouncing the Russian Revolution in terms that the Nazi regime would later employ. In an article published in 1920 on the insidious role of what he termed the “international Jews,” Churchill wrote: “The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxemburg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played … a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.” [1] Long before Hitler’s rantings against the Jew-Bolshevik conspiracy filled the air waves and newspaper pages, Churchill had advanced it—not accidentally, in the same year that the most infamous anti-Semitic tract, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, was launched. Churchill’s attitude to fascism was nowhere more clearly summed up than in a speech he delivered on January 20, 1927, during a visit to Italy, where the fascist regime of Mussolini had come to power in 1922. “I could not help being charmed,” he declared, “like so many other people who have been, by Signor Mussolini’s gentle and simple bearing and by his calm, detached poise in spite of so many burdens and dangers. Secondly, anyone could see that he thought of nothing but the lasting good of the Italian people … If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetite and passions of Leninism. I will, however, say a word on an international aspect of fascism. Externally your movement has rendered a service to the whole world. The great fear which has always beset every democratic leader or a working-class leader has been that of being undermined or overbid by something more extreme than he. Italy has shown that there is a way of fighting the subversive forces which can rally the masses of the people, properly led, to value and wish to defend the honour and stability of civilized society. She has provided the necessary antidote to the Russian poison. Hereafter no great nation will be unprovided with an ultimate means of protection against the cancerous growth of Bolshevism.”
9/6/2013 3:11:24 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
inventtis2 South Haven, MI 37, joined Nov. 2012 online now!	I'm well aware of the corruption of politics which should not be involved in capitalism and a free market.
9/9/2013 4:35:41 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Left With Nothing By Michael Sallah, Debbie Cenziper, Steven Rich http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36156.htm This man owed $134 in property taxes. The District sold the lien to an investor who foreclosed on his $197,000 house and sold it. He and many other homeowners like him were left with nothing. September 08, 2013 Information Clearing House Washington Post On the day Bennie Coleman lost his house, the day armed U.S. marshals came to his door and ordered him off the property, he slumped in a folding chair across the street and watched the vestiges of his 76 years hauled to the curb. Movers carted out his easy chair, his clothes, his television. Next came the things that were closest to his heart: his Marine Corps medals and photographs of his dead wife, Martha. The duplex in Northeast Washington that Coleman bought with cash two decades earlier was emptied and shuttered. By sundown, he had nowhere to go. All because he didn’t pay a $134 property tax bill. The retired Marine sergeant lost his house on that summer day two years ago through a tax lien sale — an obscure program run by D.C. government that enlists private investors to help the city recover unpaid taxes. For decades, the District placed liens on properties when homeowners failed to pay their bills, then sold those liens at public auctions to mom-and-pop investors who drew a profit by charging owners interest on top of the tax debt until the money was repaid. But under the watch of local leaders, the program has morphed into a predatory system of debt collection for well-financed, out-of-town companies that turned $500 delinquencies into $5,000 debts — then foreclosed on homes when families couldn’t pay, a Washington Post investigation found. As the housing market soared, the investors scooped up liens in every corner of the city, then started charging homeowners thousands in legal fees and other costs that far exceeded their original tax bills, with rates for attorneys reaching $450 an hour. Families have been forced to borrow or strike payment plans to save their homes. Others weren’t as lucky. Tax lien purchasers have foreclosed on nearly 200 houses since 2005 and are now pressing to take 1,200 more, many owned free and clear by families for generations. Investors also took storefronts, parking lots and vacant land — about 500 properties in all, or an average of one a week. In dozens of cases, the liens were less than $500. Coleman, struggling with dementia, was among those who lost a home. His debt had snowballed to $4,999 — 37 times the original tax bill. Not only did he lose his $197,000 house, but he also was stripped of the equity because tax lien purchasers are entitled to everything, trumping even mortgage companies. “This is destroying lives,” said Christopher Leinberger, a distinguished scholar and research professor of urban real estate at George Washington University. Officials at the D.C. Office of Tax and Revenue said that without tax sales, property owners wouldn’t feel compelled to pay their bills. “The tax sale is the last resort. It’s also the first resort — it’s the only way in the statute to collect debt,” said deputy chief financial officer Stephen Cordi. But the District, a hotbed for the tax lien industry, has done little to shield its most vulnerable homeowners from unscrupulous operators. Foreclosures have upended families in some of the city’s most distressed neighborhoods. Houses were taken from a housekeeper, a department store clerk, a seamstress and even the estates of dead people. The hardest hit: elderly homeowners, who were often sick or dying when tax lien purchasers seized their houses. One 65-year-old flower shop owner lost his Northwest Washington home of 40 years after a company from Florida paid his back taxes — $1,025 — and then took the house through foreclosure while he was in hospice, dying of cancer. A 95-year-old church choir leader lost her family home to a Maryland investor over a tax debt of $44.79 while she was struggling with Alzheimer’s in a nursing home. Other cities and states took steps to curb abuses, such as capping the fees, safeguarding houses owned by the elderly or scrapping tax sales altogether and instead collecting the money themselves. “Where is the justice? They’re taking people’s lives,” said Beverly Smalls, whose elderly aunt lost her home in Northeast Washington. “It’s just not right.”
9/9/2013 7:27:40 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
gizmosellsbots Shakopee, MN 38, joined Oct. 2012	Nothing wrong with freemarket with competetion and choice. Still, need some socialisn to conteract the excess of greedy captailism. Mixed economy most useful. Goverment is there to act as check on the predator captailst that do not play fair.
9/9/2013 8:30:40 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
peterk2 Fort Lauderdale, FL 55, joined May. 2007	Quote from thesslazarus: There is nothing more evil and vile than Capitalism. Immense poverty is the result of Capitalism... while a few people inherit and conquer everything. . thank you Vladimir.
9/9/2013 8:35:09 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
peterk2 Fort Lauderdale, FL 55, joined May. 2007	Quote from condor_0000: Left With Nothing By Michael Sallah, Debbie Cenziper, Steven Rich http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36156.htm This man owed $134 in property taxes. The District sold the lien to an investor who foreclosed on his $197,000 house and sold it. He and many other homeowners like him were left with nothing. September 08, 2013 Information Clearing House Washington Post .” maybe the democrats shoving people into houses they had no business buying, and making the entire banking/housing community rich along the way, isn't exactly the way to go, there, sherlock. [Edited 9/9/2013 8:35:42 AM ]
9/9/2013 8:38:49 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
peterk2 Fort Lauderdale, FL 55, joined May. 2007	Quote from condor_0000: I'll bet Mexico's richest capitalists will be stunned to hear that. ------------------ Carlos Slim: World’s Richest Man Again, Says Forbes May 7, 2012 http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/03/carlos-slim-worlds-richest-man-again-says-forbes/ they are oligarchs. you don't buy a can of soda or a taco or make a phone call or wipe your a** with toilet paper without paying to one of mexico's top 5000 families. lies from condom, a total liar.
9/9/2013 8:39:53 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from verat: Lobo save the strawman attacks for someone else. I'm interested to see if you can define "strawman argument" and then explain how it relates to what I said. Pointing out your blatant fallacy is entirely legit.
9/9/2013 8:47:59 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from thesslazarus: There is nothing more evil and vile than Capitalism. Immense poverty is the result of Capitalism... while a few people inherit and conquer everything. The Corrupt U.S. government is the result of Capitalism, Obamacare is Capitalism, The recession that occurred under Bush (not all Bush's fault, and Reagan lit the fuse) is the result of Capitalism. I'd love to list a few countries that has prospered because of Socialism... but true Socialism has never been tried. Does anyone on Social Security want to see it privatized so that you can get a voucher in the mail? Without Socialism there are no roads, public schools, libraries, and safety nets. The philosophy of Jesus Christ is socialism... give to the poor freely. And for anyone who hates Obama... Socialism is the opposite of Obama. Oh boy...another commie fktard who thinks he is smarter than all the other commie fktards who couldn't make collectivism work... Still waiting for that Youtube link to that Cruz quote.
9/9/2013 9:01:01 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
willblock775 Berwyn, IL 46, joined Jan. 2013	That's not capitalism condor. That's criminal. If the United States was working the way it should be, those people would be charged with fraud. Don't blame capitalism, capitalism is inherently good while your socialist communist system is evil. In your communist dictator- ship life is cheap and millions upon millions of lives are sacrificed for the collective good of the proletariat. No thanks condy not interested. What we need in the United States more than ever is the spirit of 76, the spirit of freedom and liberty and godliness. American exceptionalism is being undermined by a socialist Marxist agenda. Our youth are being attacked from within by being systematicly brainwashed through the liberal media. Ronald Reagan warned: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. You had best heed that warning condooky if you want to remain a free man.
9/9/2013 9:16:05 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 . Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America. At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen: [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen] 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. 3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. 4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. 6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. 7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N. 8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. 9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress. 10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. 11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.) 12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. 14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office. 15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks. 18. Gain control of all student newspapers. 19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. 22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms." 23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art." 24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." 29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." 31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. 32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. 34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. 36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. 37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. 38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. 39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems. 43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. 45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
9/9/2013 10:21:16 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
peterk2 Fort Lauderdale, FL 55, joined May. 2007	good work, z. one of the best dh posts ever. should accompany all of condom's cut n pastes.
9/9/2013 11:27:47 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from willblock775: That's not capitalism condor. That's criminal. If the United States was working the way it should be, those people would be charged with fraud. Don't blame capitalism, capitalism is inherently good while your socialist communist system is evil. In your communist dictator- ship life is cheap and millions upon millions of lives are sacrificed for the collective good of the proletariat. No thanks condy not interested. What we need in the United States more than ever is the spirit of 76, the spirit of freedom and liberty and godliness. American exceptionalism is being undermined by a socialist Marxist agenda. Our youth are being attacked from within by being systematicly brainwashed through the liberal media. Ronald Reagan warned: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. You had best heed that warning condooky if you want to remain a free man. Fraud how, you figure? They follow the rules of the game, after they write the rules. Sure, it was fraudulent that Goldman Sachs was selling and hyping sub-prime mortgage backed securities while at the same time placing bets against them because they knew they were rotten... But then so's half the stuff you see advertised on TV. Goldline is just one great example. Problem is, that's contemporary Capitalism for you. Profit above all (including quality, customer satisfaction, employee happiness, or any sense of ethics). How many of those Goldman execs have gone to jail for it? Hmm... Your line "capitalism is inherently good while your socialist communist system is evil", shows an incredibly naive and juvenile world view. Do you consider yourself a Christian? If so, how do you rationalize Christ's socialism? You can't possibly have grown up around a church and not heard the story of the loaves and the fishes (one particularly glaring example of Socialism in the gospels.) Of course the opposite is closer to the truth. Socialism isn't "inherently good", but it is inherently in the best interests of the working class majority. Capitalism isn't "inherently evil", but it is inherently amoral (lacking any morals) and is built upon poverty and labor desperation to benefit the elites. The harder things are for the working class, the more profits are available to be milked out of them. (Ever try negotiating for a raise with your boss right after a bunch of your peers got laid off?) The ideas behind capitalism are neutral (certainly not "good" like charity is good, just effective.) If there is demand, supply is likely to appear on its own. If one blacksmith can't keep up with the demand of the town, another is likely to move in. It all works fine for everyone (including the blacksmiths and their apprentices) on a very small scale. Problem is, as the scale increases those ethically neutral aspects of capitalism start submerging. When corporations become far more powerful than the public, they are able to manipulate markets and disregard the needs of their customers, and once that starts happening they almost automatically start working against their customers. Google "Planned obsolescence" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence) for an example of the evils of capitalism. Didn't you ever wonder why new washing machines today last for a few years instead of a few decades? It's pure corporate profit-milking, at the expense of consumers (and the environment.) Some more evil capitalism: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumerism - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly - And the holy grail of insurance sales, to sell as much as possible to the people who don't need it, and avoid the people who do. - And heck, how about the whole stock market? It's designed as an engine to leech more money from working-class buy-and-hold investors like sharks circling a dying whale tearing off chunks of flesh. See if you can come up with one benefit that "short selling" (betting against a stock) has for people like you. These aren't little fringe aspects of contemporary Capitalism. These are what it's all about. If you listen to the business news, you'll see the talking heads saying things like "New surveys are showing that Americans are saving more and reducing their debt loads. Oh no, this could hurt the economy because they aren't spending fast enough!" That's evil. Oh, and "American exceptionalism"? What do you suppose Christ would have had to say about that?
9/9/2013 11:37:15 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from ludlowlowell: Lobo, "socialistic" is a term with a very, very concrete meaning. Socialism means that government owns all or part of the businesses in a country or region. Capitalism means that businesses are owned by individuals. On the surface, one would think that it sure would be better if the government owned all the businesses--if the government did, it could eliminate all unfairness. It could keep rich people from getting even richer with their increased profits, and that money could somehow be given or distributed or retained by the poor and the middle class. It sounds great, but long historical experience has shown us that it just doesn't. The capitalist owners of businesses, even if they spend and party too much, even if they are sometimes snooty as they stroll the avenue, must have efficiencies in their businesses. Government doesn't need efficiencies. Those efficiencies make the difference between a prosperous nation and a poor nation. "Any man who isn't a liberal at age 20 doesn't have a heart. But any man who isn't a conservative at age 40 doesn't have a brain." --Winston Churchill "One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations." - Winston Churchill, in Hitler and His Choice. As Condor pointed out, your definition of Socialism is false. You have been mislead by evil men to dupe you into backing their profiteering. Socialism means the working class controlling their own destiny. Socialism and Democracy are basically the same thing, while Capitalism is much more like Feudalism with the "Lords of Industry" replacing Barons and Kings.
9/9/2013 11:39:45 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from timotheos1: lobo_corazon You seem to be a border line hypocrite. You work for the man the same as the rest of us. How do you figure that makes me a hypocrite? Given that in our Capitalist system "The Man" has control over the jobs, who else would I work for? How would sitting at home and starving to death give me some kind of moral high ground? I'm a rational, not a martyr.
9/9/2013 12:48:00 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from tonyc4444: I want The Venus Project. The Venus Project sounds interesting... Have you read enough about it to figure how they deal with plain unreasonable people? That's the main problem I see with Socialism. It clearly works great when you can just kick out the people who refuse to contribute or are a negative influence, as an Amish community might. But when someone insists on making trouble, what do you do with them? Capitalism seeks to deal with it basically by insisting "Work or starve".
9/10/2013 8:05:23 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from verat: and what would the socialist system solution be? death or exile? I have a few friends in western europe who bum around all the time because they get gov't benefits. Is that really the way we want it to be? Yeah, right! What is a right-wing, fascist, capitalist Nazi like yourself doing with lazy, wandering, welfare-collecting, liberal-bum friends? You lying sack of shit! Capitalism is a system where productive working people toil long and hard, and the majority of the wealth they create is redistributed to super-rich capitalists who do no productive labor what so ever. Capitalism is a welfare program. But it's welfare for the super-rich. The capitalist rich don't work and you don't seem to mind that at all. Instead, most of the world's working people are forced into abject poverty funding the lavish lifestyles of the capitalist rich. And you fking love it! You disgusting, lying, pig fker!
9/10/2013 8:24:38 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from condor_0000: Yeah, right! What is a right-wing, fascist, capitalist Nazi like yourself doing with lazy, wandering, welfare-collecting, liberal-bum friends? You lying sack of shit! Capitalism is a system where productive working people toil long and hard, and the majority of the wealth they create is redistributed to super-rich capitalists who do no productive labor what so ever. Capitalism is a welfare program. But it's welfare for the super-rich. The capitalist rich don't work and you don't seem to mind that at all. Instead, most of the world's working people are forced into abject poverty funding the lavish lifestyles of the capitalist rich. And you fking love it! You disgusting, lying, pig fker! Socialism is a system where productive working people toil long and hard for slave wages, and the majority of the wealth they create is redistributed to super-rich PARTY MEMBERS who do no productive labor what so ever. Socialism is outright theft. It's theft from the proles for the benefit of the party leaders and their apparatchik which is used to bribe or gain favor. The rich party members don't work and you don't seem to mind that at all. Instead, most of the workers in socialist nations are forced into abject poverty funding the lavish lifestyles of the rich party members...and if anyone DARES to speak out or protest ,they are tossed into prison camps along with their entire families or simply executed for crimes against the state. And you fking love it! You disgusting, lying, pig fker!
9/10/2013 8:29:36 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from zeitgeist2: Socialism is a system where productive working people toil long and hard for slave wages, and the majority of the wealth they create is redistributed to super-rich PARTY MEMBERS who do no productive labor what so ever. Socialism is outright theft. It's theft from the proles for the benefit of the party leaders and their apparatchik which is used to bribe or gain favor. The rich party members don't work and you don't seem to mind that at all. Instead, most of the workers in socialist nations are forced into abject poverty funding the lavish lifestyles of the rich party members...and if anyone DARES to speak out or protest ,they are tossed into prison camps along with their entire families or simply executed for crimes against the state. You've just described Stalinism -- which as Trotsky predicted in the 1930s in The Revolution Betrayed would either be overthrown by the working class or it would revert to capitalism at the earliest convenience. This is because such a privileged elite is entirely compatible with capitalism and entirely incompatible with socialism. Stalin was your boy. ---------------- The Revolution Betrayed By Leon Trotsky 1936 http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/revbet/ [Edited 9/10/2013 8:31:21 AM ]
9/10/2013 8:44:12 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from condor_0000: You've just described Stalinism -- which as Trotsky predicted in the 1930s in The Revolution Betrayed would either be overthrown by the working class or it would revert to capitalism at the earliest convenience. This is because such a privileged elite is entirely compatible with capitalism and entirely incompatible with socialism. Stalin was your boy. ---------------- The Revolution Betrayed By Leon Trotsky 1936 http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/revbet/ Trotsky was a f**ktard too....big deal.
9/10/2013 9:31:26 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from zeitgeist2: Trotsky was a fktard too....big deal. According to right-wingers, everybody who doesn't want all of the wealth created by workers funneled into the coffers of a tiny gaggle of elites is a "fktard."
9/10/2013 9:44:07 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from condor_0000: According to right-wingers, everybody who doesn't want all of the wealth created by workers funneled into the coffers of a tiny gaggle of elites is a "f**ktard." Nope...just communist tools like you who would never put their own money where their mouth is and move to a communist country.
9/10/2013 9:52:36 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from verat: According to commie scumbags everybody who expects people to earn their keep and possess self determination is a fascist, capitalist Nazi. Moron. And how do capitalist's "earn their keep?" They rape the shit out of workers. The get together at the club for lunch where they plot new ways to rape the public. They plot how to send the military off to far away countries to attack, kill, destroy and torture so that they can later lay claim to another nation's riches. They engage in one financial crime and Ponzi scheme after another. And they loot the public till to the tune of trillions of dollars. Capitalism is a criminal enterprise. "Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class." -- Al Capone (a man who knew a little something about rackets)
9/10/2013 10:07:55 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from condor_0000: And how do capitalist's "earn their keep?" They rape the shit out of workers. The get together at the club for lunch where they plot new ways to rape the public. They plot how to send the military off to far away countries to attack, kill, destroy and torture so that they can later lay claim to another nation's riches. They engage in one financial crime and Ponzi scheme after another. And they loot the public till to the tune of trillions of dollars. Capitalism is a criminal enterprise. "Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class." -- Al Capone (a man who knew a little something about rackets) You are out of your f**king mind. Using this logic...a lemonade stand is a criminal enterprise...hell DH is a criminal enterprise because they sell advertising and make MONEY... Do you even grasp the sheer irony of you even posting here?...or even using the internet OR a computer AT ALL? Typical commie hypocrite tool.
9/10/2013 10:08:17 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from verat: and what would the socialist system solution be? death or exile? I have a few friends in western europe who bum around all the time because they get gov't benefits. Is that really the way we want it to be? If you read the post you were replying to, you would have comprehended that I was telling you I don't know that Socialism has an answer. I don't hang around with Socialists, or I would ask them if they have a good idea. My idea wrt laziness (the best I have independently come up with so far) is that society should provide for the basic human rights of everyone (healthcare, food, shelter, security), and then work should earn you privileges that those of us who do work tend to take for granted (bigscreen TVs, smart phones, iPads, eating out, etc.) People's basic needs can be met not that expensively, in well-controlled dormitories with a cafeteria etc. Some people would be perfectly satisfied with that... And really, if they are, is that the kind of "go-getter" you would want to have working for you anyway? As for providing security for the public against would-be warlords/tyrants like Franco or Stalin, I gather the Russian socialists' idea was the use of a truly "well-organized militia". That was the original idea of the Red Army, which Stalin later corrupted into an imperialist war machine much like happened in the US. Of course that didn't stop Stalin... But then Stalin's brutal regime did succeed in stopping Hitler. Needless to say Socialism is an inherently peaceful ideology, so a socialist society is bound to be vulnerable to highly aggressive and predatory imperialist neighbors.
9/10/2013 10:13:21 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from lobo_corazon: If you read the post you were replying to, you would have comprehended that I was telling you I don't know that Socialism has an answer. I don't hang around with Socialists, or I would ask them if they have a good idea. My idea wrt laziness (the best I have independently come up with so far) is that society should provide for the basic human rights of everyone (healthcare, food, shelter, security), and then work should earn you privileges that those of us who do work tend to take for granted (bigscreen TVs, smart phones, iPads, eating out, etc.) People's basic needs can be met not that expensively, in well-controlled dormitories with a cafeteria etc. Some people would be perfectly satisfied with that... And really, if they are, is that the kind of "go-getter" you would want to have working for you anyway? As for providing security for the public against would-be warlords/tyrants like Franco or Stalin, I gather the Russian socialists' idea was the use of a truly "well-organized militia". That was the original idea of the Red Army, which Stalin later corrupted into an imperialist war machine much like happened in the US. Of course that didn't stop Stalin... But then Stalin's brutal regime did succeed in stopping Hitler. Needless to say Socialism is an inherently peaceful ideology, so a socialist society is bound to be vulnerable to highly aggressive and predatory imperialist neighbors. LMAO...what the f**k are you smoking? Socialism is never achieved by peaceful means....have you ever HEARD of Mao?
9/10/2013 10:14:48 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from zeitgeist2: Quote from condor_0000: And how do capitalist's "earn their keep?" They rape the shit out of workers. The get together at the club for lunch where they plot new ways to rape the public. They plot how to send the military off to far away countries to attack, kill, destroy and torture so that they can later lay claim to another nation's riches. They engage in one financial crime and Ponzi scheme after another. And they loot the public till to the tune of trillions of dollars. Capitalism is a criminal enterprise. "Capitalism is the legitimate racket of the ruling class." -- Al Capone (a man who knew a little something about rackets) You are out of your f*king mind. Using this logic...a lemonade stand is a criminal enterprise...hell DH is a criminal enterprise because they sell advertising and make MONEY... Do you even grasp the sheer irony of you even posting here?...or even using the internet OR a computer AT ALL? Typical commie hypocrite tool. It's no surprise that what he said flew right over your head. If you understood Capitalism you wouldn't be so anxious to serve them. Thinking about this question will help - In your example of a lemonade stand (I assume having a kid or two as the "owner/operator"), who is the idle capitalist who sits back and does nothing but receive cheques from the labor of the lemonade vendors? The kids running the stand are productive workers* (the focus of socialism), not idle capitalists. Until you grasp these basics, you can't engage in a coherent discussion about capitalism and socialism.
9/10/2013 10:16:47 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
peterk2 Fort Lauderdale, FL 55, joined May. 2007	communists love to ignore real facts. they only present what helps their case.
9/10/2013 10:19:40 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from zeitgeist2: LMAO...what the f**k are you smoking? Socialism is never achieved by peaceful means....have you ever HEARD of Mao? You should read some history before trumpeting your ignorance. You could start by reading about how lovely China was under the feudal warlords before Mao's revolution. (Here's a clue - People don't risk revolutions and subject themselves to the military crackdowns in response, unless they are really, really pissed.) Then you could try to find evidence of the vicious bloody coups that led to the most socialist societies in the world, ex. Scandinavia, Australia, Switzerland etc. Good luck with that!
9/10/2013 10:21:05 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from peterk2: communists love to ignore real facts. they only present what helps their case. Capitalism is a system where productive working people toil long and hard, and the majority of the wealth they create is redistributed to super-rich capitalists who do no productive labor what so ever. Capitalism is a welfare program. But it's welfare for the super-rich. The capitalist rich don't work and right-wingers, who are infamous for their demand that we all work hard and "earn our keep," don't mind that at all. Under capitalism, most of the world's working people are forced into abject poverty in the effort to fund the lavish lifestyles of the capitalist rich. And right-wingers f**king love it! "Almost all of the world is capitalist, and almost all of the world's people are poor." -- Michael Parenti [Edited 9/10/2013 10:23:13 AM ]
9/10/2013 10:38:43 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from lobo_corazon: You should read some history before trumpeting your ignorance. Right...says the guy who didn't even know there was such a thing as "Islamic socialism"...don't lecture me boy... You are a self professed know it all who doesn't know much...about very much You could start by reading about how lovely China was under the feudal warlords before Mao's revolution. (Here's a clue - People don't risk revolutions and subject themselves to the military crackdowns in response, unless they are really, really pissed.) So much for the peaceful socialism. Then you could try to find evidence of the vicious bloody coups that led to the most socialist societies in the world, ex. Scandinavia, Australia, Switzerland etc. Good luck with that! Those countries you list are social democracies with elected representatives... Apples and monkey wrenches... Hilarious....in socialist countries like north KOREA...or CHINA...there is ONLY one party...the communist party...there is no freedom of anything... Apparently you need a reminder of what socialism IS:
9/10/2013 10:45:30 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from condor_0000: "Almost all of the world is capitalist, and almost all of the world's people are poor." -- Michael Parenti LMAO...quoting A RICH white New York author who is very VERY well paid? Oh the blood dripping irony... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parenti
9/10/2013 10:51:52 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from verat: A recurring theme of those defending socialism, is to say how it was supposed to be, but it got corrupted etc, etc... Doesn't that speak for the inherent flaw in socialism? Capitalism can go through one collapse after another, one depression after another, one recession after another, one war after another, one financial crime after another, mass poverty upon mass poverty and yet no amount of money or effort is restrained in rescuing the capitalist system. On the other hand, the successful right-wing counter-attack upon the earliest drive by workers to take state power themselves is always held up as indisputable proof that socialism is "fatally flawed." Interestingly, that argument only comes about after the right-wing has first failed in its attempted to declare that Stalinism is socialism. The right-wing merely packs lie upon lie upon lie in the defense of the gangster-capitalist one-percenters who are raping and looting people and society into poverty.
9/10/2013 10:56:37 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from zeitgeist2: Quote from condor_0000: "Almost all of the world is capitalist, and almost all of the world's people are poor." -- Michael Parenti LMAO...quoting A RICH white New York author who is very VERY well paid? Oh the blood dripping irony... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parenti Ooooooooo I hate those rich New York city people sooooooo much. Everybody in New York is a f**king super-rich billionaire, God damn it. EVERYBODY! . . . Except that Parenti is not rich, was born into a working class family in a working class neighborhood and, in fact, no longer even lives in New York. Contrary to capitalism Michael Parenti actually writes the books he sells. ------------------------ Michael Parenti From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parenti Excerpt: Michael Parenti was raised in an Italian-American working-class family and neighborhood in New York City [Edited 9/10/2013 10:59:39 AM ]
9/10/2013 11:06:53 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
onnightwings Raleigh, NC 53, joined Dec. 2009	Quote from verat: A recurring theme of those defending socialism, is to say how it was supposed to be, but it got corrupted etc, etc... Doesn't that speak for the inherent flaw in socialism? Interesting question. Would modern technology enable one person/one vote to overcome the tendency of Socialism to be co-opted by an individual/segment of society to their own purpose? What would prevent a Stalin situation? (besides an unreasonable expectation for people to 'do the right thing'?)
9/10/2013 11:28:53 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
peterk2 Fort Lauderdale, FL 55, joined May. 2007	yeah, keep em dependent. give em bread and circuses. today its sex. weed. violence. "a woman's right to choose!" let em get jobs, make money, advance, improve themselves, and you lose control. fan that hate. divide and conquer. rich/poor. religious/atheist. young/old. democrat/republican. black/white/Hispanic. its working pretty good so far.
9/10/2013 11:29:33 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
rounder67 Sanger, TX 51, joined Oct. 2010	If condor just once explain the how the system of his choice would work and then explain how it will produce larger numbers of middle wage earners I would read it
9/10/2013 11:44:43 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from condor_0000:Ooooooooo I hate those rich New York city people sooooooo much. Everybody in New York is a fking super-rich billionaire, God damn it. EVERYBODY! . . . Except that Parenti is not rich, was born into a working class family in a working class neighborhood and, in fact, no longer even lives in New York. Contrary to capitalism Michael Parenti actually writes the books he sells. ------------------------ Michael Parenti From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parenti Excerpt: Michael Parenti was raised in an Italian-American working-class family and neighborhood in New York City Nice try fkface....he went to YALE...he has sold tons of books to fktards like you and he is wealthy as hell... Get a load of this shit...his ONE book is over 80 bucks and was orginially over 125 bucks...for a PAPER BACK...LMAO... http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Parenti/e/B000APNF70 Can you say "snake oil salesman"...sure you can... And according to you...rich people are inherently greedy and selfish....oh unless they think like you of course... LMAO...what a scam artist...get rich selling books and DVD's to communist suckers while railing against the rich... He's the alex jones of fktard communists!!!
9/10/2013 2:52:43 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
thebard58 Hermiston, OR 57, joined Jul. 2010	Lobo From your statements a few pages back, it seems that your concept of socialism is more congruent with the idea of the French fellow who originally coined the term, than any subsequent attempt to actually institute a "socialist" state. I can agree, somewhat, with that concept. It would seem that it might be beneficial for the basic necessities of life, to be produced by publicly owned entities, rather than for consumers to be at the mercy of the vagaries of privately owned industries. (The Volkswagon might be an excellent example of the sort of efficiency that this might provide, and it seems true that socialized medicine has much to be said for it, in terms of cost effectiveness). However, there are at least two serious problems, in that regard (disregarding the American consumer's penchant for prioritizing "flash", and convenience, over efficiency, which would create much disagreement, and hamper any attempt at efficient provision of just basic necessities). 1. Though public provision of services should be more cost effective (since there is no necessity for profit margin), in many instances, public services are not necessarily more efficient than private providers. This is partly due to the tendency for less strict standards/quality control, partly due to the principle that government agencies seem to require 3 clerks to account for 1 set of records, in order to prevent corruption (which doesn't always work, anyway), and partly due to the burden of "red tape" (and there are other drawbacks, but then, most have equivalents in the private sector). 2. How to "get from here to there"? The one thing that I agree with Condor about, is about the pervasive control/influence of the economic elitists. The "golden rule" of the streets is in effect "He who has the gold, makes the rules". And when so many average "middle class" persons have their savings, and retirement funds tied up in the same institutions that stand to lose from a move to public control from private.
9/10/2013 2:56:11 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 55, joined Jul. 2012	Before capitalism...how did the poor man become wealthy?
9/10/2013 3:07:26 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from zeitgeist2: You could start by reading about how lovely China was under the feudal warlords before Mao's revolution. (Here's a clue - People don't risk revolutions and subject themselves to the military crackdowns in response, unless they are really, really pissed.) So much for the peaceful socialism. Then you could try to find evidence of the vicious bloody coups that led to the most socialist societies in the world, ex. Scandinavia, Australia, Switzerland etc. Good luck with that! Those countries you list are social democracies with elected representatives... Apples and monkey wrenches... Hilarious....in socialist countries like north KOREA...or CHINA...there is ONLY one party...the communist party...there is no freedom of anything... Apparently you need a reminder of what socialism IS: No. Apparently you need a reminder that Socialism is defined by the working class in control. That's it. So how exactly do you figure the working class is in control in Korea or China? Obviously that isn't Socialism. Don't allow yourself to be gulled by a misleading name. Some right-wing Americans actually believe Hitler was a Socialist, can you believe it? Having a strong middle class, Scandinavia, Switzerland and Australia are by fundamentally much more successfully Socialist than China or Korea. You could argue that China is more Communist, but there's a vast difference between Socialism and Communism. By the way, Socialism and Democracy are effectively synonymous. There are no wealthy special interest lobbyists greasing the palms of hired politicians in Socialism. That's a symptom of Capitalism. Yes, Socialism is peaceful. Socialism is about the working class cooperating without borders, and eliminating the elites who whip up their minions to bleed fighting needless wars to enrich their masters. Revolution is violent. A revolution is how you break through to attain the desired end, it's not the end result. The American Revolution was also very violent - That doesn't mean you were doomed to perpetual violence because of it.
9/10/2013 3:23:59 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from zeitgeist2: Get a load of this shit...his ONE book is over 80 bucks and was orginially over 125 bucks...for a PAPER BACK...LMAO... http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Parenti/e/B000APNF70 Can you say "snake oil salesman"...sure you can... ============================================================================================== But I thought you capitalists loved it when capitalists charged whatever the "free market" would bear. What's the deal? Do you love capitalism or not? Parenti should be your hero, but you refer to him as a "snake oil salesman." Many years ago, Michael Parenti used to sell his own books and tapes. I noticed on his web site that is no longer the case. Never the less, I own several Michael Parenti items purchased years ago. The books I own were both purchased for an identical $14.95. Additionally, most of the material in Michael Parenti's books can be found in the articles archived on his web site, which anyone can access totally free. Many of his talks can also be found on the Internet for free. One of his best and most original writings is his highly-acclaimed analysis of the assassination of Julius Casear. That book can be found on Amazon for $13.26. I have no idea why Democracy for the Few is listed at such a high price on Amazon, especially since it can be found elsewhere on the Internet for $5 or less. The Assassination Of Julius Caesar: A People's History Of Ancient Rome (New Press People's History) [Paperback] Michael Parenti Price: $13.26 & FREE Shipping on orders over $25 http://www.amazon.com/The-Assassination-Of-Julius-Caesar/dp/1565849426
9/10/2013 3:24:53 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
rounder67 Sanger, TX 51, joined Oct. 2010	Quote from texasproud52: Before capitalism...how did the poor man become wealthy? stealing other peoples stuff
9/10/2013 3:31:05 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 55, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from rounder67: stealing other peoples stuff BINGO!!
9/10/2013 3:35:08 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
rounder67 Sanger, TX 51, joined Oct. 2010	Quote from texasproud52: BINGO!! hey my granny played bingo she never stole nothing
9/10/2013 3:39:26 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from verat: Lobo, let me reiterate. YOUR description about socialism is an idealized thing, that doesn't really exist in the real world and may never exist. There is a saying - "socialism works in a perfect world- but then so does capitalism". I don't think anyone here is opposed to a utopia where hardwork is rewarded and no one is suffering. The problem is and always has been, why should the lazy and unproductive people be subsidized by the labor of the workers? There is and never has been a nation on this planet where there was not an upper class of people that set themselves up to profit on the common man. Native American tribes?
9/10/2013 3:44:52 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
thebard58 Hermiston, OR 57, joined Jul. 2010	lobo But... The NA tribes also did not allow "goldbricking" (though they did revere the elders, and would care for them, for their wisdom). And their lifestyle and culture was far less complicated than the "civilized" society today, and is simply not practical in the modern world. So, not a very good example.
9/10/2013 3:45:02 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from texasproud52: Before capitalism...how did the poor man become wealthy? Typically by impressing a noble in some way so that they granted him lands and a title. (For example, by exemplary military service such as the Maximus character in Gladiator.) Feudal societies looked a lot like the end game of Capitalism, where the wealthy elites and corporate interests own everything and the working class "Peons" are told to be lucky they are allowed to work on the elite's property and keep a few scraps for themselves.
9/10/2013 3:48:46 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
rounder67 Sanger, TX 51, joined Oct. 2010	So lobo describe in detail how this new form of I guess you call it equal income will work
9/10/2013 3:51:33 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 55, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from lobo_corazon: Typically by impressing a noble in some way so that they granted him lands and a title. (For example, by exemplary military service such as the Maximus character in Gladiator.) Feudal societies looked a lot like the end game of Capitalism, where the wealthy elites and corporate interests own everything and the working class "Peons" are told to be lucky they are allowed to work on the elite's property and keep a few scraps for themselves. And that was before capitalism. If the peon did not want to work for the man, they were just shit out of luck.
9/10/2013 4:16:42 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
thebard58 Hermiston, OR 57, joined Jul. 2010	There are parallels that can be drawn between a feudal system, and capitalism. But modern capitalism is actually much more egalitarian, in that the individual has much more freedom of choice. (Largely beginning with the Magna Carta). And there is the opportunity to choose their own path, rather than his/her estate in life being strictly determined by circumstances of birth. My history lessons granted that the eventual collapse of feudal systems was due to the rise of the merchant class. Which is one reason I often state that I consider small business the backbone of freedom. (Which is being weakened day by day, in the USA). Incorporation might be considered an avenue for control of production by elitists. (Since the minor shareholder has little, if any, control over how their capital is used). [Edited 9/10/2013 4:18:08 PM ]
9/10/2013 5:27:07 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
rounder67 Sanger, TX 51, joined Oct. 2010	Nobody will ever describe how any other system will work
9/10/2013 5:37:47 PM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
zeitgeist2 Toledo, OH 52, joined Jan. 2012	Quote from poooochy: what is the question,grocery boy? let me guess...."why do you hate pure capitalist nations like Somalia & Kenya? Omg..you are off your rocker....those are tribal nations....where they still have warlords. Nice try on the bait and switch conman.
9/11/2013 9:26:38 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
lobo_corazon Orleans, ON 47, joined May. 2008	Quote from thebard58: lobo But... The NA tribes also did not allow "goldbricking" (though they did revere the elders, and would care for them, for their wisdom). And their lifestyle and culture was far less complicated than the "civilized" society today, and is simply not practical in the modern world. So, not a very good example. The example was fine. I was responding to "There is and never has been a nation on this planet where there was not an upper class of people that set themselves up to profit on the common man." Clearly there have been such nations, as I described. The claim that humans cannot organize themselves without beatific elites to shepherd them in exchange for most of the money is manifestly false. Not recently? Sure. Obviously Capitalism is currently dominant, and the capitalists crack down viciously on any country that tries to step out from under their boot like Cuba, the USSR (remember the hatred capitalist operatives like Hitler, Mussolini and Churchill were heaping on Russia in peacetime before WW2? "Socialism is the biggest threat the world faces", and all that? Ever take the time to ask why they thought so?), and allegedly Libya and Syria more recently (the conspiracy theory is that those countries were trying to nationalize their oil and/or finance industries.)
9/11/2013 9:51:48 AM	Why Do You Love Capitalism? List your reasons?
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 58, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from shadobee: In a capitalist society, government is limited to the protection of individual rights—the freedom of each individual to act as he judges best, as long as he recognizes the mutual rights of others. Why is American liberalism bankrupt? A history lesson for New York Times columnist Bob Herbert By Tom Eley 19 September 2008 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/09/herb-s19.html Excerpt: At the height of this crisis, the failure of liberalism was laid bare by its own leading philosopher and intellectual, John Dewey, who penned a series of lectures delineating its fatal contradiction—that between the economic “liberty” of monopoly capitalists to exploit and the liberty of the masses to live a full life. What Dewey described was in essence the polarization of the Third Estate, or the shattering of the bourgeoisie’s claims to speak for the nation. Dewey recognized that “the tragic breakdown of democracy is due to the fact that the identification of liberty with the maximum of unrestrained individualistic action in the economic sphere, under the institutions of capitalistic finance, is as fatal to the realization of liberty for all as it is to the realization of equality.”

megapersonal create account

anon hookup