POF and DH - What a Joke

3/29/2014 10:15:08 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
bruce_2014 Dothan, AL 60, joined Jan. 2014	If you are a man, you will initially view this website as a treasure chest of gold that has fallen into your lap. A free website with the opportunity to meet lots of women in your area? You never need enter a bar again and stumble up to that attractive woman by the counter with a gallon of Dutch Courage inside you. The reality, however, is far different. The ratio of men to women is about 7:1 and the end result is swarms of men fighting for the attention of one woman, not different from the barbarian days of the cavemen when they would clobber one another over the head in order to win the partner of their dreams. Alas, these poor, naive souls are not even fighting for the partner of their dreams. Upon viewing the female profiles on the website, I discovered that there were a great deal of the following: Obese 18 – 30 year olds in skimpy clothes, pulling provocative, pouting poses and stating they need a ‘real man to handle a real woman.’ Defiant single mothers with pictures of themselves and their kids, claiming that the kids come first and if the men on the site don’t like it, they can get lost. Women with their breasts out in their profile pictures with the headline, “DO NOT MESSAGE ME IF YOU ARE A PERVERT AND ONLY AFTER ONE THING.” Average-looking women who will have a long list of their likes/dislikes, needs and wants. “No tattooed men, no men without a car, no men who are shorter than 5’10, no men who live 20 miles away from me, no divorced men, no men who are still living at home with their parents…” And so forth. They will then go on to state that they want “a sweet, romantic, sensitive man who knows how to treat a woman.” In reality, no matter how sweet, romantic and sensitive the man messaging them is, if he isn’t harboring the same devilishly handsome looks as the majority of Hollywood actors, his message will be swiftly deleted. Oh, this cruel, shallow world. This is only the beginning of the vicious cycle. A lot of the men on Plenty of Fish are only looking for one thing and they are willing to drop their standards to the bottom of the bucket in order to get it. No matter how overweight, ugly, demanding or rude the female may be, she will be inundated with messages from desperate men who need to satisfy their wayward libidos. Such men fall under the following: The ‘Sales’ man. This man will type out a general spill of, “I have read your profile and you sound extremely sweet. You look absolutely beautiful and I would love to have the opportunity to chat with you.” Without reading their profiles and regardless of what they look like, he then copies and pastes it out to a hundred women in his area and may receive about five responses in return, if he is lucky. The ‘Muscles’ man. This man will post numerous pictures of his rippling, toned torso, pout into the camera, and then send a message with one word, “Hey” in the belief that his bulging biceps will warrant a response. For some women, this does work. The ‘Joker’ man. This man will google an extremely unfunny joke and then post it to a bunch of women, hoping that this “humour” will strike him lucky. Usually fails. The ‘Great Pretender’. This man will pretend to be interested in aspects of the female’s profile but it isn’t long before he is asking to hook up for a drink to ‘discuss’ her interests in cycling and hiking. The ‘Straight-forward’ man. This man will just come out and say whatever he is hoping for, which is usually followed by a swift finger on the block button. Thanks to such desperation, the women’s egos will be fed to the point of explosion. It no longer matters what the woman looks like (despite the fact that appearance is everything on Plenty of Fish). It won’t be long that the woman genuinely believes she really is this beautiful, stunning creature that she is being told she is every day by the overflow of males. Her ego will shoot to the roof and, as she is able to take her pick of any man on the site, the list of demands will become more and more unrealistic; any confidence which she possessed will immediately turn into arrogance and, suddenly, no man on the site is good enough, even the ones who are actually genuine; they find themselves falling into the same category as the desperadoes and creeps. This self-delusion soon creates bitterness and frustration in ALL of the men, who cannot understand how they are constantly rejected in such a rude manner by women they wouldn’t give a second glance to in the real world. They are usually completely ignored or receive a “You’re not my type” response to their well-planned message. Personally, I find this type of arrogance mind-blowingly funny. I have spoken to many of the more decent men on the site who have been thoroughly dissatisfied with their experiences. One, who considered himself above average in looks, informed me that he couldn’t believe it when an extremely large, 21 year old mother of two turned him down with a, “Sorry, you’re not tall enough.” He was 5’9, she was 5’5. Y The problem with this site, as appears to be the problem with internet dating in general, is that people’s expectations are far too high. The truth is, everyone is riddled with flaws and we should take the bad with the good, or not at all. To create a list of what a man/woman should be and shouldn’t be is preposterous, not to mention downright hilarious. Similarly, there are a great deal of men and women on the site who completely contradict themselves. For example: ”I am a down to earth, intelligent person looking for similar. I have an excellent sense of humor” (even though there is nothing in the profile to suggest this). “I am open to most people for I believe that looks get boring after a while” (They then go on to state ‘No fat/short/etc men/women). Meeting someone off Plenty of Fish can be similarly grueling. When someone finally gets lucky enough to bring things into reality, it is not uncommon for the following to occur: People are usually ten stone heavier than their pictures. People are usually ten years older than their pictures. People are usually not the person in their pictures. (This is something I have difficulty understanding. If you are going to meet the person outside of the internet, wouldn’t it make sense to let them know who you really are? After all, they’re going to find out anyway.) And after these disastrous experiences, people will resume their fishing and look for someone else, for the site is strangely addictive. The mind-boggling, disturbing cycle will then continue. So, as you may have learned, Plenty of Fish is not all it’s cracked up to be. Despite the ‘Chemistry Tests’ (which apparently matches you with those who have similar results to you) and ‘Relationship Needs’ (which obviously knows you better than you know yourself and tells you what you need in a man/woman, including a customized, step by step plan of how to get it) and the range of ‘success stories’ printed on the site, it appears that this particular ocean is overflowing with angry, bitter men and stuck-up, deluded women. I’m sure the odd seahorse does spring up among all the trout but you would really have to wade through a lot of dirt to find it. So if you’re thinking of giving it a shot, happy fishing – or more importantly, good luck! (You’ll need it.) [Edited 3/29/2014 10:16:05 AM ] Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
3/29/2014 9:50:50 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
iko526 Coal City, IL 50, joined Jan. 2014	I totally agree with you. I've been on both sights including Zoosk where you have to pay to see who wants to meet you, and if you do cough up the coins they demand, chances are you will never get a response from the other party that was interested in meeting you. I have sent out hundreds of little notes, and letters to many, many women and only got three to actually talk and then disappear from the sight, or just change there profile name and never answer any more chats with you. I have seen some of these women on the very same DH and POF, as well, all with different screen names. And all ignoring any attempt to have a regular conversation. You are very right in saying that the women on these sights have gotten a very bloated ego with all the, “you look good, hot sexy,” bla, bla, bla… It doesn't matter who you are, what you do, what you are looking for or even what makes you what you are today. Chances are, unless you are from Chip n Dales, you will never get a word out of any “REAL” women. You will have a better chance hanging out at Wal-Mart, in front and make your selections as they are walking by.
3/29/2014 10:51:33 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
purplerider1200 South Bend, IN 61, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	No, there's no guarantee on this, or any other site I've seen and been on. What just astounds me is that a good many women will bemoan the fact that there are no more good men around. Then they will pick some guy who would treat them like dirt, get used, and disposed of carelessly. Yet the "Good guy" gets over looked because he wasn't interesting or exciting. And then they'll sit around and bash all men because one snookered them. I suspect that, when women sit and discuss men, they manage to destroy all credabilty of any and all men. Nothing like starting out the game of relationships, behind, and marked as a liar.
3/30/2014 5:56:31 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
bruce_2014 Dothan, AL 60, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from purplerider1200: No, there's no guarantee on this, or any other site I've seen and been on. What just astounds me is that a good many women will bemoan the fact that there are no more good men around. Then they will pick some guy who would treat them like dirt, get used, and disposed of carelessly. Yet the "Good guy" gets over looked because he wasn't interesting or exciting. And then they'll sit around and bash all men because one snookered them. I suspect that, when women sit and discuss men, they manage to destroy all credabilty of any and all men. Nothing like starting out the game of relationships, behind, and marked as a liar.
3/30/2014 1:44:48 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
bigd44906 Mansfield, OH 53, joined Oct. 2010	I've yet to meet anyone from DH. I've met four women from POF and only one of them wasn't gold digging douchebag. Met five gals from Singlesnet and three of those turned into solid dating. AFF introduced me to a married woman who nearly got me killed. LOL (Long story!) My best thus far has been Match where I met a couple of past g/f's who were both sexy & attractive. After my divorce, dated like crazy from the old Yahoo Personals which is now defunct. It just seems to me you get what you pay for with the free sites.
3/30/2014 4:44:44 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
bruce_2014 Dothan, AL 60, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from bigd44906: I've yet to meet anyone from DH. I've met four women from POF and only one of them wasn't gold digging douchebag. Met five gals from Singlesnet and three of those turned into solid dating. AFF introduced me to a married woman who nearly got me killed. LOL (Long story!) My best thus far has been Match where I met a couple of past g/f's who were both sexy & attractive. After my divorce, dated like crazy from the old Yahoo Personals which is now defunct. It just seems to me you get what you pay for with the free sites. Yahoo Personals used to be great...... Seems these days dating sites are a thing of the past and one day people will have to start meeting in person again....
3/30/2014 5:27:02 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
bigd44906 Mansfield, OH 53, joined Oct. 2010	Seems these days dating sites are a thing of the past and one day people will have to start meeting in person again.... A late friend of mine used to say that everything in life is cyclical and if you wait long enough, it eventually comes back around. As I grow older I see the wisdom in that statement more & more everyday.
3/30/2014 7:36:20 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
bruce_2014 Dothan, AL 60, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from funtimz52: The majority of men on here will Never see a date off this site....that's just a simple fact. Some........wouldn't even recieve a decent response without dancing threw hoops, stroking feathers and balancing on our damn head for their entertainment just to recieve a simple hi. The over inflated egos have surpassed the common sense barrier and there really isn't any return. I do agree that you get what you pay for on these sites........and we all know what the price is on this site to get a response..........not just one....but BOTH of our balls. F*k the btches......I for one------ain't giving them up....... No matter if it is a free or paid site, it is still the same. American Society is doomed when it comes to dating, relationships and marriage. More like a sodom and gamora and the less attractive, less social status, less fame, less money are like lepers.... History repeats itself every 100 years..... One day women will be forced to once again depend on friends or people to find them someone...
3/30/2014 9:53:39 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
sillylaugher61 Murrysville, PA 55, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	I think that many of the same women are on these other sites. Also these other sites are so pricey/ month! also they attempt to lure you in by posting fake profiles in your in box!
3/31/2014 1:58:02 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
holdyournose Beverly Hills, CA 51, joined Mar. 2014	I have been on and off dating sites, pretty much since the start of online dating in the mid '90s. So I have learned a lot. OP pretty much covers all the pit falls. I find that the same issue is on ALL dating sites including the "pay" sites. Regardless of what you read online regarding statistics, the main cause of the issue is the male to female ratios. I have checked this very closely, and the average is about 2 to 1. Sure there is some variation between the sites with this but generally it's way out of whack. Then there are things that make the problem worse. The vast majority of men will go for the top 50 percentile in women. However, as the responses don't come in they will go further and further down the food chain. It's the numbers game. Email 1000 women and have a 1% response rate. You just got 10 possibilities to either get laid or try to start a relationship. And sure, this is the cause why women have such expectations. I have known girls on dating sites that were so average Jane and all the emails constantly come in from men saying how pretty they are blah blah. To make matters worse, women are extremely superficial. I hate to say it, it's ALL about what the guy looks like. I have seen this in action, as a pretty friend of mine didn't even read the mail or look at a profile from somebody that would write her if she didn't like the thumbnail pic. She would literally get 40 emails a day on POF. With this ego inflation, the women stay on for years and never even stay in a relationship since Mr. Perfect is coming soon. Now, there are guys that do well. If you have model looks and have the tall dark and handsome thing going on you will get a good response rate of around 50% even if you email the top 50 percentile. I know, I tried it by posting a picture of a guy model on POF. I emailed the same women that I wrote well written emails too. And the response rate was quite impressive. I wrote very simple emails, like hey babe your are hot. And the profile was quite simple too. It was a lot of fun being able to throw THEM in the trash for a change. I also got quite a good clip of incoming mail. BTW I put medical as profession..said I was a doctor once I got my responses. The last kicker I want to mention is that these very good looking guys are the "players" the women complain so much about. They treat them like meat, because they know they can round 'em up with no problem at all.
3/31/2014 6:51:50 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
purplerider1200 South Bend, IN 61, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	Dating sites are good ego crushers. If we could band together and not deluge the women with mail, then the percentages may change. I see that happening like I see the economy improving overnight. I've never had any luck on the free sites, just a few on pay sites. And the pay sites are just too expensive to fool with for long. Then too, after a while the women take you as old news. It's better to do the real world, and not use this as your only source of prospective dates. Unless you're sadistic and like to be turned down.
3/31/2014 7:15:19 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
holdyournose Beverly Hills, CA 51, joined Mar. 2014	My ego has been so crushed, it doesn't even bother me anymore. For a while I thought I was a cross between the guy from Mask and the Elephant Man it was so bad. Kidding aside though, when only fatties seem to give you any attention you do question what's wrong with you. The other issue is that guys get so much rejection and many just want to get laid so they don't care if they would fk a goat. So even the fatty scary ones get a good clip of attention. That's not me. If I can't fk something I want, I would rather have nothing.
4/1/2014 11:58:46 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
purplerider1200 South Bend, IN 61, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	Quote from holdyournose: My ego has been so crushed, it doesn't even bother me anymore. For a while I thought I was a cross between the guy from Mask and the Elephant Man it was so bad. Kidding aside though, when only fatties seem to give you any attention you do question what's wrong with you. The other issue is that guys get so much rejection and many just want to get laid so they don't care if they would fk a goat. So even the fatty scary ones get a good clip of attention. That's not me. If I can't fk something I want, I would rather have nothing. That's so true. But I have to admit it. I wouldn't deal with a woman that I thought was un-attractive, just to get laid. Why stir up a shit storm?
4/25/2014 10:35:30 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
the_lynguist Denver, CO 37, joined Jul. 2012	Love the post, OP. Wish it were a blog post that I could add as a hyperlink to my page. I get my fair share of responses, but they seldom turn into dates. The ones that do, show up looking somewhat diminished. They obviously posted the best of the best of their pics. Online dating is as addictive as gambling, I suppose. You know the odds are slim (after you've figured out the fact that it's a sham), and yet, here we all are! Lol. Best of luck, fellas.
4/26/2014 7:34:33 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
purplerider1200 South Bend, IN 61, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	Quote from the_lynguist: . Online dating is as addictive as gambling, I suppose. You know the odds are slim (after you've figured out the fact that it's a sham), and yet, here we all are! Lol. Best of luck, fellas. Dh is entertaining, but nothing else. People can sit here and bait one another, insult, complain, applaude, and never get punched. I admit that, at one time I thought it would be reasonably simple to find dates on here. Then, I landed, and now know the real truth. It's interesting to watch the women circle the wagons, and then start attacking the men. They are certain they know what we men want long before we ask.
5/5/2014 2:50:41 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
timmyc90 Martinsburg, WV 27, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from bruce_2014: Women with their breasts out in their profile pictures with the headline, “DO NOT MESSAGE ME IF YOU ARE A PERVERT AND ONLY AFTER ONE THING.” Why do you think i don't message anyone xD Really a site called datehookup it's a given what you will get you will find some people but most are just here for guy's to tell them they took sexy. POF meh. I'm more of a zooks or OKC kind of person. DH is ok but it is what it is.
5/12/2014 2:44:57 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
lobo81865 Ocean Springs, MS 51, joined Mar. 2012	I had given up on dating until my Filipina girlfriend found me on an Asian dating site. You wouldn't believe how much better she treats me than any American woman I ever dated. Certainly there are scammers out there, but she has never asked me for a dime, has a job, and a college degree. Not to mention that she is young and beautiful--inside and out.
5/22/2014 11:47:26 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
heartandhammer Mission, KS 42, joined Dec. 2013	I think you nailed it. Real nice work. I have been on three sites for five months. I know the women have this crazy ego going. So, I am dropping off all of them. Including this one. Maybe try again in a few months. Good luck gentlemen...
5/28/2014 4:53:51 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
forumfriendly2 Norfolk, VA 40, joined Sep. 2013	Awesome topic..This is where the used up and fat single moms come to make duck faces and declare they want a real man...it's all about getting attention ...in reality the family dog wouldn't hump their leg! every girl here juggles 20 guys who just want sex from the easy piece of trash ...it's pathetic even on dates they are here craving attention ..they think they are gorgeous and every man wants them...the truth is you look like an easy ,low self esteemed score of course your sexy...your not, But let it go to your head anyways
5/28/2014 10:58:58 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
driver406 Saint Paul, MN 65, joined Oct. 2009	Well you'll not get nonstop sex in here.
5/30/2014 2:27:48 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
ron6280a Detroit, MI 55, joined Oct. 2013	My experience has been good. I've had relations with 3 honies in their 20s and 2 smokin hotties early 30s. All are still on call status. Two in their 20s I got together and we have threesomes. I would rate DH decent but I've done better. Not sure if this post will hurt or help with future action. I'll find out.
5/30/2014 3:34:51 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
ron6280a Detroit, MI 55, joined Oct. 2013	Here is a tip for you guys. If you're looking for the keeper think fixer upper.
8/14/2014 1:08:39 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
stephisicated Teaneck, NJ 34, joined Jan. 2013	Quote from ron6280a: Here is a tip for you guys. If you're looking for the keeper think fixer upper. That may be true. There are some upgradable women that can turn into what you want them to be. Just train them. If they need to lose some weight and it's not to big of a task work out with them. Makes a good and cheap date.
8/21/2014 8:20:39 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
driver406 Saint Paul, MN 65, joined Oct. 2009	The site is a joke but at least it's free. If they made you pay I bet half the folks in here would leave.
8/21/2014 11:45:04 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
purplerider1200 South Bend, IN 61, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	Quote from driver406: The site is a joke but at least it's free. If they made you pay I bet half the folks in here would leave. I'd hate to think about paying for this mess. A more intellegent move would be to take our money and set fire to it.
8/22/2014 9:06:34 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
lefty247 Swartz Creek, MI 70, joined Apr. 2009	Well written post OP. A few more thoughts on what to expect in your doddering days. Just wait until you're in the geezer years , and try to find anyone. And if you still have sexual needs, the odds are between slim & none. And Slim left town about 20 years ago, when she still had a decent figure. I met one woman from POF earlier this year. She felt having sex once or twice a week was way too much. And then tells me she has herpes as well. Many geezer gals also seem to be encumbered with either dependency or entitlement issues. They expect the guy to pay for everything & plan a perfect evening that precludes sleepovers. And if they live over an hour away, don't expect they will meet you half way either. Even though we're supposedly all equal now, some want to return to the good ole days of dating--even if they are making more than you are--where you are better known as the gentleman caller, taking care of everything. Her only job is to show up, & agree to all your compliments. I'm only here just so women can find me. I really don't care if they ever right me.
11/21/2014 12:48:58 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
candmann73 Petersburg, VA 43, joined Apr. 2014	Way too much reading for me
11/22/2014 1:43:01 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
mboots31 Albion, NE 35, joined Jun. 2014	I was on POF I only could get some girls to chat. If I didn't repond to some of them within an hour of when they sent a message seemed like they moved on to the next guy. I don't need a woman like that sorry I have a life and don't need it disturbed by a woman's needy demanding ways. I like DH better because of the chatting forums. It gives you something better to do while your in the middle of your hunt kinda like a bar except you don't have to drive home drunk and deal with someone who thinks their gonna beat your a** cause you said hi to his soon to be ex girlfriend type of thing. unfortunatly there is the shitty scammers and fake profiles all over. What the hell is wrong with being real all women have egos that they need filled up. Sooner or later they are gonna be the ones crawling to us after their used up and worthless once repaired then they will be on the run again. Ask my ex thats what she does haven't seen her on here yet. Won't take long she is always snooping trying to find out if I have that girlfriend that she needs to scare off. I wish she would ride her broomstick off up and away. Wait she needs her sister's ex husband to push the broom for her she's just not the type to put a hand on it. Best part of this you can b*tch to the world and someone out there will agree!
11/23/2014 12:06:55 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
driver406 Saint Paul, MN 65, joined Oct. 2009	Too long to read, but the site isn't worth paying for.Women will not respond to messages, the forums are full of hate and race threads, but it's an amusing way to kill a little time before bed which is where I ought to be heading. [Edited 11/23/2014 12:07:20 AM ]
11/24/2014 9:21:20 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
mr_bdm Weirton, WV 51, joined Jul. 2014	funny too,my idea of curvy and the date site womens idea of curvy NEVER SEEM TO MESH...LMAO.
11/24/2014 6:53:14 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
purplerider1200 South Bend, IN 61, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	Quote from mr_bdm: funny too,my idea of curvy and the date site womens idea of curvy NEVER SEEM TO MESH...LMAO. No, and they never will. I kinda believe that a lot of women personally own the funhouse mirror that makes them look skinny. Or they believe that all curves are concave.
11/24/2014 8:16:23 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
sillylaugher61 Murrysville, PA 55, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	Quote from forumfriendly2: Awesome topic..This is where the used up and fat single moms come to make duck faces and declare they want a real man...it's all about getting attention ...in reality the family dog wouldn't hump their leg! every girl here juggles 20 guys who just want sex from the easy piece of trash ...it's pathetic even on dates they are here craving attention ..they think they are gorgeous and every man wants them...the truth is you look like an easy ,low self esteemed score of course your sexy...your not, But let it go to your head anyways this pretty much covers most of the women here on DH. I actually just lowered my age range to see if I get any different women. never will understand why a woman would rather suck on a cigarette than a cawk.
11/27/2014 8:50:23 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
hardtwist Surprise, NE 48, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from ron6280a: Here is a tip for you guys. If you're looking for the keeper think fixer upper. Some truth to that but, if they have kids from 2 or more sperm donars...that's just to much for me to fix.
12/19/2014 6:31:32 AM	POF and DH - What a Joke
hhuuk Tumwater, WA 38, joined Nov. 2014	Glad to see i'm not the only one that shares the op opinion. The sad thing about it is,we will never stop trying and the below average women will continue to have they're egos stroked
12/19/2014 6:15:13 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
purplerider1200 South Bend, IN 61, joined Aug. 2011 online now!	Quote from hhuuk: Glad to see i'm not the only one that shares the op opinion. The sad thing about it is,we will never stop trying and the below average women will continue to have they're egos stroked Speak for yourself. I'm through with fixer-uppers.They usually aren't worth the powder to blow'em to h*ll and back.
12/19/2014 11:38:38 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
hhuuk Tumwater, WA 38, joined Nov. 2014	Quote from purplerider1200: Speak for yourself. I'm through with fixer-uppers.They usually aren't worth the powder to blow'em to h*ll and back. Lol i feel you. I put most my focus into making money and my life better.
1/13/2015 11:14:42 PM	POF and DH - What a Joke
casperguylkn Lancaster, SC 44, joined Aug. 2013	The Red Pill of MGTOW is a wonderful thing. You'll understand female hypergamy, the rationalization hamster, female solipsism, and misandry by taking the 'red pill'. You can still go your own way being with a woman, it's just done as one should consume alcohol, responsibly (with clarity). Men I invite you to check out goingyourownway.com You'll be hearing more and more about MGTOW in the coming months and years. Go YOUR way, do what YOU want to. Wimmins' getting nervous!

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