| 9/15/2014 2:59:21 PM |
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bier95
Clara City, MN
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Army Calling for Female Volunteers for Ranger School
For the first time, the Army is planning to allow female solders to attend Ranger School as part of an assessment that could permanently open the grueling infantry course to women.
Thoughts on this?
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| 9/15/2014 9:31:29 PM |
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joe_grappler
Larimore, ND
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I'm all for women being able to do anything the can realistically accomplish... Key word "realistically." Apart from the one-in-a-million super butch woman, the only way this will work is if Ranger School totally throws out its standards.
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| 9/15/2014 10:03:49 PM |
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cp1968
North Woodstock, NH
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No comment.
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| 9/16/2014 8:45:23 AM |
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1irving
Ruskin, FL
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In PLDC we had to carry their gear. They had to go in to shower 2x. The FTX was only a week long! I pity the soldiers who must endure females in the field with little sleep and food.
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| 9/16/2014 8:57:51 AM |
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cp1968
North Woodstock, NH
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There is so much more to Ranger school than meeting the minimum physical standards.
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| 9/16/2014 9:01:27 AM |
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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No female will ever earn a tab....crawl, walk, run- Darby, Merril ,Rudder. None will ever survive the Darby Queen or be dipped in Victory Pond. I am not a Ranger but I was at Ft. Benning for jump school and I know a few to this day .Aint happening.
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| 9/16/2014 9:56:55 AM |
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cp1968
North Woodstock, NH
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I've been through Ranger school and earned my tab. Those who are pushing for women to be allowed have never had that experience and there are very few women who even want to attempt it. They will be for a rude awakening on day one.
Less than one percent of the military have what it takes to survive and pass Ranger school and less than 10% of the highly trained men who attempt it succeed.
This is nothing more than a social experiment brought on by politicians. If they don't get the results they want, they will change the standards until they do. The exact same thing just happened in the Marine Corp when they allowed women to attend the officers infantry basic course.
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| 9/16/2014 2:47:18 PM |
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1irving
Ruskin, FL
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It was a walking nightmare.
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| 9/16/2014 3:43:02 PM |
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gdaddy47
Columbia, TN
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More social engineering from the libs.
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| 9/17/2014 6:08:24 PM |
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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| 9/18/2014 8:04:36 PM |
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ladybugg76
Columbus, GA
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I'd never do it, but I would have liked the option to try if I wanted to. I know some females who have what it takes and who want to do it.
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| 9/18/2014 9:42:10 PM |
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cp1968
North Woodstock, NH
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Well, first of all. no one knows if they have what it takes until they have been through it.
Second of all, logistically it wouldn't work.You would have to shit and piss in a hole in the ground next to a bunch of men in a patrol base in the jungle/mountains/desert/swamp while they were planning the next mission. There is no time out so you can leave the perimeter and find a private place. After enduring the worm pit you will strip down naked and get hosed down with a fire hose to get the good old Georgia clay out of all your cracks and crevices, even in the middle of the winter. When you are conducting a 24 hour tactical movement to an objective carrying an 85 pound rucksack waist deep in swamp water, in the mountains, desert, or jungle, under a time crunch, and you start your period, there is no time out to take care of things. It may be a week before you get the opportunity to take a quick shower and that will be in an open shower with a bunch of men. No separate facilities. Those are just a few of the issues you will encounter.
Third of all, men and women are wired different. This is fact. Aggressiveness and violence of action are necessary to be a Ranger. A beta male wont even make it. When you are at your worst, no food, no sleep, and under extreme mental, physical, and emotional stress, the Ranger instructors are going to get up in your face and search for weakness. They are going to yell the worst things you have ever heard to you to see if you will break. After that you will be required to plan and lead a mission under extremely adverse conditions with exausted troops who haven't slept or eaten for days and you must succeed or you are out. A female is wired to emote first, a male is wired to act first. There is no emoting in Ranger school. There is no crying in Ranger school. You are training to be the a leader to the best of the best and one of the most important aspects of leadership is showing confidence. If you emote or cry, the troops you are leading into combat will loose confidence in you. It will cost lives and you will fail the mission.
What will happen because of this social experiment under the guise of fairness is that when enough females don't pass, the politicians, whom have never experienced anything like this, will tell the army to keep lowering the standards until a certain percentage of females pass. This just happened in the Marine Corps when they allowed women to try the officers basic infantry course, which is a picnic compared to Ranger School. How is that keeping the best interest of the soldiers and the military a priority? This will just get people killed and cause missions to fail. All so a few females have the opportunity to "try it".
This is about successfully completing the missions that our soldiers are sent on, not about being fair and politically correct. It is a very bad idea and the people making these decisions should be the people who understand the needs of the combat military and the people who are going to be effected by it most.
RLTW
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| 9/19/2014 8:33:43 AM |
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bier95
Clara City, MN
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The exact same thing just happened in the Marine Corp when they allowed women to attend the officers infantry basic course.
Three women drop out of officers infantry course at Quantico Va.
Three women graduated Marine infantry course that last 59 days at Camp Geiger which is part of Camp Lejuene, NC. 4th one almost made it except got injured at the last of the coarse. The marine corps DID NOT lower standards for them.
Marine infantry course is advanced training from the regular infantry training.
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| 9/19/2014 8:54:57 AM |
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cp1968
North Woodstock, NH
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Three women drop out of officers infantry course at Quantico Va.
Three women graduated Marine infantry course that last 59 days at Camp Geiger which is part of Camp Lejuene, NC. 4th one almost made it except got injured at the last of the coarse. The marine corps DID NOT lower standards for them.
Marine infantry course is advanced training from the regular infantry training.
Not sure where you got your info but as of July , 20 women have attempted the course and all have failed. The standards have not changed yet, but because of that failure rate hey are discussing changing the standards.
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| 9/19/2014 9:26:43 AM |
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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3 women did complete the USMC course, but none went any further.I think originally about 12 tried it.So 3 out of a dozen eventually passed.So what? One went to aviation, one went into supply, I don't recall what the other one did...
Point is RANGERS aren't a social experiment, women now are eligible for a 80% of all MOSs. When is it going to dawn on the bigshots that infantry isn't for them? I know women are receiving the "Combat Action Badge" and CMB (I have one) but I have never met a female who could have done my job in the A Shau Valley!! JMHO
D*ckie
Combat medic 1/501/101st
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| 9/19/2014 10:23:52 AM |
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bier95
Clara City, MN
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Not saying all women can do the job, there MAY be a few. Like most men can not pass the coarses, many have tried and failed.
My info came from Military.com,and Marine corps times.
Standards changed in the early to mid 1970's and made it easier for men to pass some of the coarses. I went thru Marine boot in the 60's,saw men drop out.Started boot with 150 and only 60 made it to graduation. My best friend back then drop out of Marine boot and went to the Army. He was KIA in Nam.
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| 9/19/2014 11:40:37 AM |
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bier95
Clara City, MN
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From USA TODAY:
LAKE OF THE OZARKS, Mo. – The air temperature was barely above freezing and snow clung to the banks of the lake when Army 1st Lt. Ashley Miller plunged into the inky waters.
Dragging packs weighing about 40 pounds each, Miller and other students from the Army's legendary Sapper Leader Course for combat engineers began swimming for the opposite shore. Instructors on jet skis buzzed around the swimmers, stirring up the placid waters to simulate the rough seas they might encounter in a combat mission.
Miller, 24, a slightly built West Point graduate, didn't stand out despite being the only woman among several dozen men struggling through one of the military's most physically demanding courses. For more than a decade, the Army has quietly allowed women to take this course, putting them through the same training as the men.
For the nation, the issue of allowing women into ground combat jobs, such as infantry, is a highly charged and emotional issue that riles politicians and revives well-worn arguments for and against a change. Not so here, far from the podiums and cable news shows, where small numbers of women have been proving themselves physically capable for years.
The whole thing comes down to Congress ordering the military to open MOS'S to women.
Whether men like it or not looks like it will happen.
On a side note 13 women now have made it through Marine enlisted Infantry training out of 25. Not one women has made it through Marine Officer Infantry training.
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| 9/19/2014 4:57:29 PM |
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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So bier..why are we doing this?? Do you think a female could hold her own in a force recon squad? Hell no!
This is PC garbage. Its happening because men aren't joining the military because they KNOW they will be deployed and prefer flipping burgers to kicking in doors in Iraq or elsewhere and dying .So females are filling in the gaps....we are losing our efficiency as a fighting force and this is just another example of it
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| 9/19/2014 5:11:41 PM |
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cp1968
North Woodstock, NH
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Sapper school and Marine basic infantry course are not Ranger School. There is no comparison. Not even close.
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| 9/19/2014 8:30:04 PM |
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bier95
Clara City, MN
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Richard you got my point. The US is in big trouble.
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| 9/19/2014 8:51:48 PM |
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bier95
Clara City, MN
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I was reading were congress wants to make women infantry teams commanded by a male and then all the rest would be female. I do see trouble in this.
Maybe our congress needs to join the military and then see what they think, instead of sitting in a plush office and thinking up crap.
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| 9/20/2014 9:05:12 AM |
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whiskeyrichard1
Burlington, KY
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The Marines had these "FETS" in Afghanistan. Female Engagement Teams. Its because women in that culture aren't allowed to openly speak to males outside their family. The point is these FETS would patrol with a infantry unit and had 'terps that could speak the language etc...but their primary purpose wasn't to engage the enemy. It worked pretty well for the Marines but its a long way from composing a infantry unit of women and having a male lead it. I don't see it happening.
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