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10/16/2015 9:44:14 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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This week I read where a general stated that Bergdahl should receive no imprisonment for desertion and falling into the hands of the Taliban. Keep in mind our Defense Department traded 5 terrorists to get him released! Others were put in great danger searching for him.He claims he left his post to go to another to report incompetence by his superiors! Incompetence you a**hole? You went outside the wire unarmed and right into the hands of the enemy! Do you agree he should face no imprisonment or further repercussions for his desertion?

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10/16/2015 11:15:56 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
vwconvert71
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That was his lawyer, wasn't it?

10/16/2015 7:23:16 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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I think so vw...he is`
with JAG...I just dont get it

10/16/2015 8:28:39 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
vwconvert71
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From what I read, the guy sent his shit home, left his weapon on his bunk, and walked away in civvies. This from a guy in his platoon. To me, that's desertion.

10/16/2015 9:20:01 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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YES!

10/17/2015 10:10:56 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

gdaddy47
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Who knows with this administration letting every perverted person get away with everything. I think the Generals or whoever should buck the administration and say enough is enough. Dude is a deserter.

10/17/2015 11:01:15 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

jrbogie1949
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like most issues these days i once again have only "information" provided by the media so i'll do as ben franklin would and not offer an opinion on the matter.

10/17/2015 11:40:22 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

gdaddy47
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JR, I wish we were allowed to get all the information. It sounds like desertion to me.

10/17/2015 1:56:06 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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jr I dont know how much information we need on this one...we have evidence! He left his base andd weapon and wearing civvies walked into the hands of the Taliban. None of that is in dispute.

10/17/2015 9:18:04 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

jrbogie1949
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the court has evidence. WE have only what the media reports. at any rate, if the court says no jail time, then no jail time.

10/18/2015 8:43:26 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

joe_grappler
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What bother's me about this case is in the court of public opinion, people are judging Bergdahl according to their opinion of Obama. Don't like Obama? Bergdahl should be shot for desertion. Think Obama is awesome? Bergdahl is a confused, disillusioned soldier, and should be let off the hook.

Not knowing what the court knows, I don't have a solid opinion, although I'm not a big fan of "Lock him up and throw away the key" mentality. But either way, I hate seeing how this guy has been reduced to a pawn in presidential politics.

10/18/2015 8:47:31 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
vwconvert71
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I don't know where you'd be going in civvies over there; certainly not alone. It's not like he was going up to Frankfurt or something...
Then again, I've not been to Afghanistan.

10/18/2015 10:33:10 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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Joe hes not a pawn.Hes a deserter! If you take your uniform off and walk into enemy hands you are a deserter. Obama isnt runing.This has nothing to do with politics-presidential or other wise brother, he deserted and put others at risk!

10/19/2015 7:57:30 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

letsplay54143
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It has a lot to do with politics. The only reason he isn't serving time right now is the pressure on the military from Obama.

10/19/2015 11:32:46 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

gdaddy47
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Quote from letsplay54143:
It has a lot to do with politics. The only reason he isn't serving time right now is the pressure on the military from Obama.




This is what I'm thinking. Oduma has already spoken out on this subject.

10/20/2015 5:48:22 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
vwconvert71
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Agreed...

10/20/2015 11:55:25 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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Obama made a huge mistake swapping 5 Taliban for this piece of dog shit. Im a Democrat and I was surprised how many folks thought it was a good deal to "get our soldier" back....when he took off his uniform in a combat zone in my view he no longer was a soldier JMHO

10/21/2015 8:13:30 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from letsplay54143:
It has a lot to do with politics. The only reason he isn't serving time right now is the pressure on the military from Obama.


uh, ahem, could be that every COMMANDER IN CHIEF of our military puts pressure on his troops, ya think?

10/21/2015 9:17:39 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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10/24/2015 5:56:44 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

justforamoment
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
the court has evidence. WE have only what the media reports. at any rate, if the court says no jail time, then no jail time.


I agree. The media does what it does, and seldom gets it right And never apologize for their screw ups.


I watched a Frontline program on this story on PBS, and apparently he walked into a Village and asked where he could find the Taliban. The villager's were happy to help, they turned him over to the Taliban, and the Taliban treated him like a spy..

Also 2 of the 5 Taliban that were"Traded" have attempted to go back to the Taliban, they have been arrested.

The court will decide this man's fate, and that will be that.(Actually I see a Movie in the works)

As Far as the rest of us, hmmmm there is an Old Chinese saying. "Opinion's are like Buffalo Farts, every Buffalo, has their Own..ok may be not Chinese...

Walter

10/24/2015 7:22:12 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
vwconvert71
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
uh, ahem, could be that every COMMANDER IN CHIEF of our military puts pressure on his troops, ya think?



A lesson NOT learned from Korea and Viet Nam...politicians should leave warfighting to the professionals, instead of butting in and f**king things up just to pander for votes. jmo

10/24/2015 9:59:45 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from vwconvert71:
A lesson NOT learned from Korea and Viet Nam...politicians should leave warfighting to the professionals, instead of butting in and f**king things up just to pander for votes. jmo


i'm no obama fan, wasn't a bush fan but think about what you just said here. who the f**k are voters if not, "we the people" that gave the president the job of cic in the first place? presidents have been pissing of this voter or that voter since washington. pander for votes my ass. there's no way into the job without pandering for votes. the problem is not the republican party or the democrat party or the green party or the tea party or the green tea party. the problem is "we the people" who affiliate with any party. f**king politics in the veterans forum again.

10/24/2015 10:15:01 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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Politics is war without bloodshed...war is politics with bloodshed.. Chairman Mao !(and he should know)

10/24/2015 12:01:20 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
vwconvert71
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Jr., wasn't being partisan. Bush f**ked up plenty...



[Edited 10/24/2015 12:02:04 PM ]

10/25/2015 5:54:55 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

jrbogie1949
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it's not about who f**ked up, vw. it's about realizing that pandering for votes is what any elected person in this country has to do to get elected but it goes beyond that. 'we the people' who wrote the constitution that assigns duties to the president and every government official are who make up the voters that get pandered to. once we elect them we expect them to come through with their pandering as they promised. that's what so few voters get. hell, most never did get it even in the late eighteenth century and going on three hundred years later are still looking for politicians to blame for their miserable lives and it happens because one party or the other has convinced them that it's so. if you affiliate with a political party get the f**k out and lets us 'we the people' take our country back.

10/26/2015 10:48:26 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  
whiskeyrichard1
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jr I think "we the people:" is a worn out cliche. Ive come to a place in life where I watch different political groups try to claim it as their own and its become trivialized and divisive. I think its time for us to think for ourselves and discount the propaganda we are fed by both parties and recognize only Americans can save America, not some candidate or talking head on cable long on promises!If we do that "we the people"has meaning again

10/27/2015 9:24:46 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

jrbogie1949
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yup

10/27/2015 10:06:04 PM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

joe_grappler
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Well, everyone may still disagree with me on what should become of Burgdahl, but the last page of posts at least backs me up on everyone's opinions are based more on their political alignment than Brugdahl himself.

10/29/2015 7:31:03 AM Bowe Bergdahl to get no jail time?  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from joe_grappler:
Well, everyone may still disagree with me on what should become of Burgdahl, but the last page of posts at least backs me up on everyone's opinions are based more on their political alignment than Brugdahl himself.


how so?