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12/5/2015 7:37:43 PM I blame religion for everything  

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The word is a Latin word meaning "binding", the binding between God and human. It is not a dirty word---see James 1:27.

Ymia is certainly right about the unselfish love of Christ.



[Edited 12/5/2015 7:39:38 PM ]




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12/6/2015 9:06:22 AM I blame religion for everything  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Ymia is certainly right about the unselfish love of Christ.



Which christ are you two guys talking about?

Peace

12/6/2015 12:30:23 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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Business is the prime example of survival of the fittest . It shows us the animal we're capable of , but we're capable of so much more . We have abilities that far exceeds the animals .

Those that adorn themselves with jewels , and gold , show us the animal we can be . Those covered in filth , dressed in rags , show us the human we can be .

12/6/2015 1:10:13 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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What is the right way , the animal (or business way) , or the universal way ?

What's more important , the animal way , or the universal way ?

We're born as beasts , with abilities that exceed all beasts , how should we use them ?

Should we honor everything our universe teaches us , or should we behave like animals ?

12/18/2015 3:38:56 AM I blame religion for everything  

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Quote from nonstandard:
Business is the prime example of survival of the fittest . It shows us the animal we're capable of , but we're capable of so much more . We have abilities that far exceeds the animals .

Those that adorn themselves with jewels , and gold , show us the animal we can be . Those covered in filth , dressed in rags , show us the human we can be .





And what does the appearance have to do with what we are--?

Excuse me u left out naked non-standard-

If naked what can we be?--hahahhaahahahahahahahahahaha

12/18/2015 4:31:40 AM I blame religion for everything  
ymia_dikhed
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Quote from sail_dancer:


Which christ are you two guys talking about?

Peace


I'm talking about the Christ that gave me hope when no one else did, or nothing else could.

In response to the post above me^^^

-If we are naked-

We can be clothed.


Now I don't feel hopeless/naked.

12/18/2015 5:52:23 AM I blame religion for everything  

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Quote from ymia_dikhed:
I'm talking about the Christ that gave me hope when no one else did, or nothing else could.



Exactly how did this christ give you "hope when no one else did"?

Explain please.

Peace

12/18/2015 10:36:48 AM I blame religion for everything  
ymia_dikhed
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By showing me that Love is not bound by the words of man/woman or the lack of actions thereof. First in myself and then in others.

My Life as a child was in hopes of someone loving me.

I was sexually and physically abused by my parents until I was 7. I was forced to watch my dad rape my sister over and over again throughout my childhood years as I myself dreaded the moment of some sort of physical pain that was just a thought away from the giver. If one can understand compulsive decision making at it's peak. My parents were finally caught by the state and my sister and I were placed in Foster Homes. 8 different ones til I was 12. Still at the age of 12 feeling as though no one loved me. My sister spent her teenage life in a mental facility for traumatized girls due to the things that were done to us by our parents. I made a bad choice at 12 and ended up spending my teenage life in the hospitalities of the California juvenile facility's in L.A. I Got out when I was 18. At 18 I still did not feel Loved. By that time my heart was completely cold. I hated and in that hate I hid my hopelessness to the eyes of man as to seem strong so no one could hurt me beyond my flesh. I needed as an outlet a form of happiness to muster even a fake smile and I found it in Gambling. I won a jackpot the first time I played. I felt for once in my life like a winner instead of a Loser and I became hooked to that feeling.Gambling drug me through 21 years of Loneliness. I placed gambling before any type of showing Love and drank disappointment from the eyes of others like it was water for 21yrs. I was shunned by everyone and have encouraged more than my share of I hate yous apon my own head. If not by words then by Looks. I was beyond sad still filled with hate. I was alone and scared and with no hope. My heart was crying out to Love in my darkness because I didn't want to die but neither did I want to live another day of utter emptiness. Through all that when nobody else wanted anything to do with me because they saw me as nothing but a loser the Lord revealed his Love to me and placed Hope in my Life through the understanding of his mercy. I may not be able to prove to man that God exists by miraculous signs or proof of devine power. I can only prove that God exists through my Hope in God's Grace and that may not be good enough for some who may demand more proof but it's good enough for me. When I see the Lord I see him in humility,patience, kindness, Love and Long suffering. Christ seeks out those who cry behind closed doors, who call out in moans instead of words because of their overwhelming lack of hope to even speak. For some people they won't have to find Christ, he will find them and in his Love they to will have Hope just as I do. How Beautiful is that?



Note: This is not a woe is me post nor am I trying to convert anyone. I was asked for an explanation so I gave one.

12/18/2015 11:13:18 AM I blame religion for everything  

sail_dancer
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Quote from ymia_dikhed:
By showing me that Love is not bound by the words of man/woman or the lack of actions thereof. First in myself and then in others.

My Life as a child was in hopes of someone loving me.

I was sexually and physically abused by my parents until I was 7. I was forced to watch my dad rape my sister over and over again throughout my childhood years as I myself dreaded the moment of some sort of physical pain that was just a thought away from the giver. If one can understand compulsive decision making at it's peak. My parents were finally caught by the state and my sister and I were placed in Foster Homes. 8 different ones til I was 12. Still at the age of 12 feeling as though no one loved me. My sister spent her teenage life in a mental facility for traumatized girls due to the things that were done to us by our parents. I made a bad choice at 12 and ended up spending my teenage life in the hospitalities of the California juvenile facility's in L.A. I Got out when I was 18. At 18 I still did not feel Loved. By that time my heart was completely cold. I hated and in that hate I hid my hopelessness to the eyes of man as to seem strong so no one could hurt me beyond my flesh. I needed as an outlet a form of happiness to muster even a fake smile and I found it in Gambling. I won a jackpot the first time I played. I felt for once in my life like a winner instead of a Loser and I became hooked to that feeling.Gambling drug me through 21 years of Loneliness. I placed gambling before any type of showing Love and drank disappointment from the eyes of others like it was water for 21yrs. I was shunned by everyone and have encouraged more than my share of I hate yous apon my own head. If not by words then by Looks. I was beyond sad still filled with hate. I was alone and scared and with no hope. My heart was crying out to Love in my darkness because I didn't want to die but neither did I want to live another day of utter emptiness. Through all that when nobody else wanted anything to do with me because they saw me as nothing but a loser the Lord revealed his Love to me and placed Hope in my Life through the understanding of his mercy. I may not be able to prove to man that God exists by miraculous signs or proof of devine power. I can only prove that God exists through my Hope in God's Grace and that may not be good enough for some who may demand more proof but it's good enough for me. When I see the Lord I see him in humility,patience, kindness, Love and Long suffering. Christ seeks out those who cry behind closed doors, who call out in moans instead of words because of their overwhelming lack of hope to even speak. For some people they won't have to find Christ, he will find them and in his Love they to will have Hope just as I do. How Beautiful is that?



Note: This is not a woe is me post nor am I trying to convert anyone. I was asked for an explanation so I gave one.


Thank you for taking time to respond.

Peace

12/18/2015 4:14:33 PM I blame religion for everything  

Stillherehaha
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Quote from ymia_dikhed:
I'm talking about the Christ that gave me hope when no one else did, or nothing else could.

In response to the post above me^^^

-If we are naked-

We can be clothed.


Now I don't feel hopeless/naked.



I agree or skinny dip Be skinny dippers ahhahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaaaaaa

12/19/2015 6:57:40 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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God didn't create Jesus , Jesus created God . He slayed the old gods , and he created a new one . He didn't do it to give us the power to become tyrants , he did it to give us the power to stand up against the tyrants .

He wanted the leaders to be the followers , and the followers to be the leaders .

12/19/2015 7:08:05 PM I blame religion for everything  

wayn49
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Quote from nonstandard:
God didn't create Jesus , Jesus created God . He slayed the old gods , and he created a new one . He didn't do it to give us the power to become tyrants , he did it to give us the power to stand up against the tyrants .

He wanted the leaders to be the followers , and the followers to be the leaders .



Jesus was God in the flesh. i just left church for a candlelight christmas program and it was great

12/19/2015 7:10:10 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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All of his efforts was in vain , the leaders are still the leaders , and the followers are still the followers .

12/19/2015 7:12:06 PM I blame religion for everything  

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Quote from nonstandard:
All of his efforts was in vain , the leaders are still the leaders , and the followers are still the followers .



are you a believer in God or just mixed feelings about it or no you do not believe

12/19/2015 8:01:32 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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I most definitely believe in a higher power .

I believe in an intelligence that creates everything we know , and everything we understand .

The born ability to manipulate control everything seems like a godsend , but its really just a survival mechanism that exists solely for survival of complex organisms . There is nothing divine about it , quite the contrary . It enables a species to kill for its own personal benefit .

The whole universe around us , on the other hand , shows everything . Its the holy grail , it gives us all knowledge , and it shows us how things work . The deeper we look , the more we find .

After all we discover , we refuse to give up our survival mechanisms , we claim that all we can control , and manipulate , is an ownership . We flat out refuse to be owned by the vast universe that has owned us from the very beginning .

12/20/2015 6:54:41 AM I blame religion for everything  

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If you believe in a higher power, and recognize that there can only be one higher power, then you believe in God.

12/20/2015 7:47:16 AM I blame religion for everything  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If you believe in a higher power, and recognize that there can only be one higher power, then you believe in God.


But not necessarily your god, Lud.

You have to have some screws loose to believe in your god.

Peace

12/20/2015 9:09:39 AM I blame religion for everything  
irishrose0906
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Quote from ymia_dikhed:
By showing me that Love is not bound by the words of man/woman or the lack of actions thereof. First in myself and then in others.

My Life as a child was in hopes of someone loving me.

I was sexually and physically abused by my parents until I was 7. I was forced to watch my dad rape my sister over and over again throughout my childhood years as I myself dreaded the moment of some sort of physical pain that was just a thought away from the giver. If one can understand compulsive decision making at it's peak. My parents were finally caught by the state and my sister and I were placed in Foster Homes. 8 different ones til I was 12. Still at the age of 12 feeling as though no one loved me. My sister spent her teenage life in a mental facility for traumatized girls due to the things that were done to us by our parents. I made a bad choice at 12 and ended up spending my teenage life in the hospitalities of the California juvenile facility's in L.A. I Got out when I was 18. At 18 I still did not feel Loved. By that time my heart was completely cold. I hated and in that hate I hid my hopelessness to the eyes of man as to seem strong so no one could hurt me beyond my flesh. I needed as an outlet a form of happiness to muster even a fake smile and I found it in Gambling. I won a jackpot the first time I played. I felt for once in my life like a winner instead of a Loser and I became hooked to that feeling.Gambling drug me through 21 years of Loneliness. I placed gambling before any type of showing Love and drank disappointment from the eyes of others like it was water for 21yrs. I was shunned by everyone and have encouraged more than my share of I hate yous apon my own head. If not by words then by Looks. I was beyond sad still filled with hate. I was alone and scared and with no hope. My heart was crying out to Love in my darkness because I didn't want to die but neither did I want to live another day of utter emptiness. Through all that when nobody else wanted anything to do with me because they saw me as nothing but a loser the Lord revealed his Love to me and placed Hope in my Life through the understanding of his mercy. I may not be able to prove to man that God exists by miraculous signs or proof of devine power. I can only prove that God exists through my Hope in God's Grace and that may not be good enough for some who may demand more proof but it's good enough for me. When I see the Lord I see him in humility,patience, kindness, Love and Long suffering. Christ seeks out those who cry behind closed doors, who call out in moans instead of words because of their overwhelming lack of hope to even speak. For some people they won't have to find Christ, he will find them and in his Love they to will have Hope just as I do. How Beautiful is that?



Note: This is not a woe is me post nor am I trying to convert anyone. I was asked for an explanation so I gave one.



Its never an easy thing to do to open up and share on such a deep level. Thank you, for sharing yourself so freely. Your story moved me very deeply, know you are loved and bless you!




12/20/2015 9:23:14 AM I blame religion for everything  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from irishrose0906:
Its never an easy thing to do to open up and share on such a deep level. Thank you, for sharing yourself so freely. Your story moved me very deeply, know you are loved and bless you!




And what you're doing is simply reinforcing his grandiose delusions caused by trauma and abuse. You do this because you suffer in the same for your own reasons. It would seem misery loves company. Nothing was healed. The mental trauma continues to exist and is buried and masked under the grandiose delusions and absurdities of religiosity. Not very different than drugs that deaden the mind.

You have demonstrated the reason why religious delusions vs all other kinds of delusions are the hardest for a mental health professional to treat.



[Edited 12/20/2015 9:24:06 AM ]

12/20/2015 9:44:38 AM I blame religion for everything  
irishrose0906
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Quote from aphrodisianus:
And what you're doing is simply reinforcing his grandiose delusions caused by trauma and abuse. You do this because you suffer in the same for your own reasons. It would seem misery loves company. Nothing was healed. The mental trauma continues to exist and is buried and masked under the grandiose delusions and absurdities of religiosity. Not very different than drugs that deaden the mind.

You have demonstrated the reason why religious delusions vs all other kinds of delusions are the hardest for a mental health professional to treat.



Aphro..Sometimes your lack of empathy amazes me.

12/20/2015 5:01:02 PM I blame religion for everything  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from irishrose0906:
Aphro..Sometimes your lack of empathy amazes me.


You are quite delusional. You have actually exhibited a lack of genuine empathy because you have reinforced a very sick person's mental illness. Because you are suffering delusions yourself makes you less capable of genuine empathy. Your emotions are based on false reality. You didn't tell dikhed he needed psychological counseling because you need it yourself.



[Edited 12/20/2015 5:01:53 PM ]

12/21/2015 6:29:20 AM I blame religion for everything  
josiemae
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I Just want to share this, especially in this season - Christmas - because it is the foundation of God's love to humanity. This could not have been a better time to see the purpose of Christ's appearance on earth. I read it in my Daily Devotional - our daily bread (odd.org), December 21, 2015.


The birth of Christ brought God to man; the cross of Christ brought man to God.


This should put more focus on Christ's purpose of birth, death and resurrection when he appeared on this earth.

12/21/2015 6:33:56 AM I blame religion for everything  

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12/21/2015 7:17:38 AM I blame religion for everything  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If you believe in a higher power, and recognize that there can only be one higher power, then you believe in God.


The word evokes mass confusion , and hysteria . We're born with an ability to learn , and all the abilities we have at birth , are used primarily for learning , learning to survive . We excel because we use it for more than survival .

We use it for more , but we don't always realize , that it was the world around us , that made us more . We roll in our achievements , like a pig rolling in mud . We seldom give any credit to the source of all of our knowledge . Instead we beat our chests like gorillas .

Survival intelligence is a package delivered to all complex organisms , to do , what they choose . Its provided by another intelligence , the one that gives us all our knowledge , and the one , that provides all of our understanding .

Anyone who believes their race , their clan , or their god , makes them better than everything else , is just behaving like an ordinary animal .

12/21/2015 8:18:05 AM I blame religion for everything  

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You're on the right track here, Nonstandard. And Christians should have the attitude that they have the truth and they want others to find the truth (evangelization), certainly not the attitude of "Hmmpf! We Christians are better than you non-Christians". Pride is always a temptation to a being with intellect, and is especially insiduous infection because the proud person doesn't realize he is infected. That's why Jesus spent a lot of time and energy warning against it.

12/21/2015 8:51:49 AM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
You're on the right track here, Nonstandard. And Christians should have the attitude that they have the truth and they want others to find the truth (evangelization), certainly not the attitude of "Hmmpf! We Christians are better than you non-Christians". Pride is always a temptation to a being with intellect, and is especially insiduous infection because the proud person doesn't realize he is infected. That's why Jesus spent a lot of time and energy warning against it.


Jesus loved everybody , thieves , wh*res , vagrants , he didn't mind . He never judged these people . He judged the hypocrites , and the rich .

12/21/2015 10:36:44 AM I blame religion for everything  

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You're fifty percent right on this one, Nonstandard. Yes, Jesus loves the poor, the sinners, the prostitutes, the tax collectors, murderers, and thieves. He also loves the rich, the haughty, the proud, and the hypocrite. To say He never judged anybody except tge hypocrites is not true---Jesus judges every person that will die today, and He judged everyone who died yesterday, and the day before that, and tge day before that. True, Jesus did and does forgive prostitutes and thieves and other sinners, BUT ONLY IF THEY REPENT OF THEIR SINS. And He would forgive hypocrites, too, if they repented---Saul of Tarsus was a pharisee that Jesus forgave.



[Edited 12/21/2015 10:37:34 AM ]

12/21/2015 11:08:01 AM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
You're fifty percent right on this one, Nonstandard. Yes, Jesus loves the poor, the sinners, the prostitutes, the tax collectors, murderers, and thieves. He also loves the rich, the haughty, the proud, and the hypocrite. To say He never judged anybody except tge hypocrites is not true---Jesus judges every person that will die today, and He judged everyone who died yesterday, and the day before that, and tge day before that. True, Jesus did and does forgive prostitutes and thieves and other sinners, BUT ONLY IF THEY REPENT OF THEIR SINS. And He would forgive hypocrites, too, if they repented---Saul of Tarsus was a pharisee that Jesus forgave.


He became enraged , he lost control , over what ? What did he do , what got him crucified ? Who's sins did he really die for ?



[Edited 12/21/2015 11:08:21 AM ]

12/21/2015 11:23:12 AM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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There is a story here , a story of events , that conical texts cant touch .

12/21/2015 11:37:59 AM I blame religion for everything  

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The immediate reason He was executed was thatvHe claimed to be God Incarnate, and the Jewish leaders considered this to be blasphemy. (Had He not actually been God Incarnate, His claims would indeed been blasphemous). But there is a deeper reason why God allowed His only begotten Son to die on the cross---Jesus died for the sins of mankind. He died for your sins, my sins, prostitutes' sins, thieves' sins, poor people's sins, rich people's sins, everybody's sins. And if a person believes in Him, and in His sacrifice, and repents of their sins, that person's sins, no matter how evil and horrible they are, will be forgiven.

12/21/2015 11:53:43 AM I blame religion for everything  
josiemae
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Quote from nonstandard:
He became enraged , he lost control , over what ? What did he do , what got him crucified ? Who's sins did he really die for ?


Matthew 4

16. The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

I am grateful that He stood in my place. He did it for the entire world, but many are living in denial. It may be difficult to accept and to conceptualize, especially when we see "self" but:

John 15

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

12/21/2015 11:55:55 AM I blame religion for everything  

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Peace

12/21/2015 11:56:51 AM I blame religion for everything  

jester0011
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evolution created hitlers crazy beliefs.

12/21/2015 12:02:58 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The immediate reason He was executed was thatvHe claimed to be God Incarnate, and the Jewish leaders considered this to be blasphemy. (Had He not actually been God Incarnate, His claims would indeed been blasphemous). But there is a deeper reason why God allowed His only begotten Son to die on the cross---Jesus died for the sins of mankind. He died for your sins, my sins, prostitutes' sins, thieves' sins, poor people's sins, rich people's sins, everybody's sins. And if a person believes in Him, and in His sacrifice, and repents of their sins, that person's sins, no matter how evil and horrible they are, will be forgiven.


Really ? So before he came along , all were doomed ? No good people existed , before Jesus could come along , to make them good ? His whole life proves you wrong . Your listening to the same old crap , he wanted to destroy .

F**k what they said he said , look at what he did , he shoved their words down their throats .

They twisted , and turned , to let Jesus in . They will continue to twist , and turn , because he is there .

12/21/2015 12:26:16 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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He will accomplish , what he set out to do , destroy fruitless , scandalous claims that have no merit . They didn't make him , and their god didn't make him , he made them accountable .

12/21/2015 12:45:09 PM I blame religion for everything  

ludlowlowell
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Before Jesus came, there were some good people. These pwople received God's grace, and became good, in anticipation of Jesus' sacrifice. Jesus savwd them retroactively, so to speak.

12/21/2015 12:52:58 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Before Jesus came, there were some good people. These pwople received God's grace, and became good, in anticipation of Jesus' sacrifice. Jesus savwd them retroactively, so to speak.


I'll bet that Jesus never even knew their names , but he knew what killed them , because they killed him too .

12/21/2015 12:56:29 PM I blame religion for everything  

sail_dancer
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Before Jesus came, there were some good people. These pwople received God's grace, and became good, in anticipation of Jesus' sacrifice. Jesus savwd them retroactively, so to speak.



Do you make these things up yourself? ..... or ..... does your Holy Poltergeist tell you what to post?

Peace

12/21/2015 1:17:44 PM I blame religion for everything  

jester0011
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basically jesus came to give anyone a chance to get into heaven even tho all might sin some times.

12/21/2015 2:20:24 PM I blame religion for everything  

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Yeah, Jester, I can agree with that.

12/21/2015 2:22:20 PM I blame religion for everything  

jester0011
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Quote from sail_dancer:


Do you make these things up yourself? ..... or ..... does your Holy Poltergeist tell you what to post?

Peace
sailors mama told him happiness comes from little rays of sunshine falling down on him

12/21/2015 7:31:50 PM I blame religion for everything  

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Quote from sail_dancer:



Peace




i like it better this way, God made all with free will choice including the angels. and one rebelled and convinced one third of the angels to go along with him and there was war in heaven and finally lucifer had to go and his angels. since God was a God of choice and love, he let him go and do whatever so the other angels could see he was fair in his dealings with him. but lucifer was not done and he came to this earth and lied and tempted eve and adam and they fell and as God said because he cannot lie, sin took over and adam and eve would grow old and die. God so loved the world that he gave up his only son Jesus who came to experience what we go through and to show the world who God really was and died the death and paid the penalty for sin so we did not have too and arose from the grave so that all who have ever lived and died would one day live again. and to destroy the works of satan and sin so the earth and the universe would be at peace

12/21/2015 8:07:27 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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Everything we know , and everything we imagine , comes from what we have . If what we have isn't good enough , its our own damn fault , we cant blame anything , but ourselves .

12/21/2015 8:20:29 PM I blame religion for everything  

nonstandard
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Evil is the half of ourselves , that we blame on everything else .

12/21/2015 8:21:05 PM I blame religion for everything  

sail_dancer
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Quote from wayn49:
i like it better this way, God made all with free will choice including the angels. and one rebelled and convinced one third of the angels to go along with him and there was war in heaven and finally lucifer had to go and his angels. since God was a God of choice and love, he let him go and do whatever so the other angels could see he was fair in his dealings with him. but lucifer was not done and he came to this earth and lied and tempted eve and adam and they fell and as God said because he cannot lie, sin took over and adam and eve would grow old and die. God so loved the world that he gave up his only son Jesus who came to experience what we go through and to show the world who God really was and died the death and paid the penalty for sin so we did not have too and arose from the grave so that all who have ever lived and died would one day live again. and to destroy the works of satan and sin so the earth and the universe would be at peace



Ta-dah!!!

Peace

12/21/2015 8:59:29 PM I blame religion for everything  

jester0011
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and what does mama say on the issue sailor

12/24/2015 6:24:49 AM I blame religion for everything  
josiemae
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Quote from jester0011:
basically jesus came to give anyone a chance to get into heaven even tho all might sin some times.



1Timothy

3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

There was contraversy over his conception in the womb, there was controversy over claiming him as the messiah and there was controversy when they did not find him in the tomb on the third day following his death. Thomas, one if his followers, had doubt by which he claimed that the only way he would believe is if he sees Christ himself. Today, there are many controversies among each of us. Some however could be blamed from selfishness, self righteousness, lack of understanding, etc. Nonetheless, we can claim his birth, death and resurrection.

12/24/2015 8:00:28 AM I blame religion for everything  

duchessa
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Quote from FOGenigma:
I didnt know such large amounts of good Mary J was available in PA. You sure seem like a heavy user.


Why is that the truth always generate attacks such as the one you vested on the OP?

12/24/2015 8:03:26 AM I blame religion for everything  

duchessa
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"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

12/24/2015 8:34:14 AM I blame religion for everything  

ludlowlowell
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If a person does a good work while not in the state of grace it does them no good on Judgment Day. They shouldn't be discouraged from doing them but they get no supernatural merit for it.



[Edited 12/24/2015 8:34:57 AM ]

12/24/2015 9:00:49 AM I blame religion for everything  

duchessa
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If a person does a good work while not in the state of grace it does them no good on Judgment Day. They shouldn't be discouraged from doing them but they get no supernatural merit for
it.


Poor thing you are.

12/24/2015 9:59:40 AM I blame religion for everything  

sail_dancer
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If a person does a good work while not in the state of grace it does them no good on Judgment Day. They shouldn't be discouraged from doing them but they get no supernatural merit for it.


In what country can the State of Grace be found? What is the capitol city of Grace?Is there an income tax in the State of Grace? Why is the State of Grace blind to those that do good works?

Peace

12/24/2015 11:37:40 AM I blame religion for everything  

jester0011
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Quote from sail_dancer:
In what country can the State of Grace be found? What is the capitol city of Grace?Is there an income tax in the State of Grace? Why is the State of Grace blind to those that do good works?

Peace
look every one its juda ben hur

12/24/2015 11:43:58 AM I blame religion for everything  

sail_dancer
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Quote from jester0011:
look every one its juda ben hur


No! That would be Charlton Heston ..... he was an atheist by the way.

Peace

12/24/2015 12:00:36 PM I blame religion for everything  

jester0011
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good ol juda

12/24/2015 4:34:56 PM I blame religion for everything  

ludlowlowell
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I am fully aware, of course, that Sail Dancer's questions are sarcastic, but I am going to pretend they are straight up questions and answer them anyway.

The state of grace is found in EVERY country---it knows no political boundaries. You could say Heaven is tge capital city of the state of grace. Excepting for the mentally ill or other extraordinary circumstance every adult person in tge world is either in the state of mortal sin or the state of grace---the former go to Hell if they die in that state, the latter go to Heaven (if they are perfect) or Purgatory for a time, then Heaven (the less than perfect). For those in the state of grace, the doing of good works will result in an even greater reward in Heaven. Those in the state of mortal sin will receive no reward in the next life for their good works.

If one is in the state of mortal sin, what does one do to get into the state of grace? Repent and believe in God's Incarnate Son Jesus Christ, and in the Church He founded, and the pope He appointed.

The state of grace is like our home state of Florida---no income tax. No taxes at all.



[Edited 12/24/2015 4:36:57 PM ]

12/24/2015 5:30:37 PM I blame religion for everything  

sail_dancer
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I am fully aware, of course, that Sail Dancer's questions are sarcastic, but I am going to pretend they are straight up questions and answer them anyway.

The state of grace is found in EVERY country---it knows no political boundaries. You could say Heaven is tge capital city of the state of grace. Excepting for the mentally ill or other extraordinary circumstance every adult person in tge world is either in the state of mortal sin or the state of grace---the former go to Hell if they die in that state, the latter go to Heaven (if they are perfect) or Purgatory for a time, then Heaven (the less than perfect). For those in the state of grace, the doing of good works will result in an even greater reward in Heaven. Those in the state of mortal sin will receive no reward in the next life for their good works.

If one is in the state of mortal sin, what does one do to get into the state of grace? Repent and believe in God's Incarnate Son Jesus Christ, and in the Church He founded, and the pope He appointed.

The state of grace is like our home state of Florida---no income tax. No taxes at all.


You display a mentally unstable state of mind.

Peace

12/25/2015 2:58:11 AM I blame religion for everything  
mrhankchinaski
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Can I blame The NY Jets not winning a title since Joe Namath on religion.

12/25/2015 3:31:02 AM I blame religion for everything  
ron6280a
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Quote from nonstandard:
People killing people , for psychological differences , that have nothing in common with widespread physical similarities .

Religion killed every hope of universal love , and acceptance . It taught us to hate everything outside of its parameters . It taught us to look down upon every creature . It taught us to look down upon all forms of life . It taught use to look down upon our own damn species .

A unity prescribed by nature , torn apart , by its own design .


I blame politics.

12/25/2015 3:58:03 AM I blame religion for everything  

sail_dancer
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Quote from ron6280a:
I blame politics.


I'd blame god ..... but you can't blame something that doesn't exist ..... so I guess that no one thing is to blame.

Peace