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12/29/2015 8:29:33 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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JOSEPHUS-Jewish Historian
Josephus, Jewish historian (AD 37-100) wrote of Jesus:

"About this time appeared Jesus, a wise man, and He drew to Himself many Jews. And when Pilate, at the denunciation of those that are foremost among us, had condemned Him to the cross, those who had first loved Him did not abandon Him. The tribe of Christians named after Him did not cease to this day." (Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 §63 )

TACITUS-Gentile Historian

Tacitus, a famous historian, reputed in his own days as being extremely careful and factual, would not have been prone to writing about a movement without first checking the Roman archives to see if he could not get the most accurate report possible. He used earlier works by historians cross checking them with each other. He sought to verify his facts, something unusual in the writing of the time.

Tacitus, a Roman historian, in his Annals, c. AD 115, describes the Roman Emperor Nero's actions after the great fire of Rome, c. AD 64:........

“Nero fastened the guilt [of the great fire of Rome, c. AD 64] and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.” (Annals 15 -44)

PHLEGON-Gentile Historian

"And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place ...”
The historical character of Jesus Christ is also attested by the hostile Jewish literature of the subsequent centuries. His birth is ascribed to an illicit ("Acta Pilati" in Thilo, "Codex apocryph. N.T., I, 526; cf. Justin, "Apol.", I, 35), or even an adulterous, union of His parents (Origen, "Contra Cels.," I, 28, 32).

So significant is Jesus in man's history that The Encyclopedia Britannica has 20,000 words in describing this person, Jesus. His description took more space than was given to Aristotle, Cicero, Alexander, Julius Caesar, Buddha, Confucius, Mohammed or Napolean Bonaparte. Why would there be so much material on a man who was never born?

Here is a quote from The Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was only disputed for the first time, and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries.

Jesus is recorded as a fact, as is His death, burial and missing body in the Reader's Digest Book of Facts, 1989.

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12/29/2015 8:53:13 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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the roman histories say he was here

12/30/2015 2:07:30 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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You are a lunatic, Walt!

JOSEPHUS, TACITUS, and PHLEGON were all born after Jesus was supposedly crucified ..... they certainly cannot be considered as writing first hand knowledge of your so called christ.

Especially Phlegon who was actually born about 700 years after the supposed crucifixion!

My question to you is ..... why is it that you cannot supply any historians (who actually lived during Jesus' supposed lifetime) who actually wrote of Jesus the christ?

Peace

12/30/2015 3:27:58 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Very sad for Jesus. Many dozens of writers at the time of Jesus but none wrote about him.

Apollonius Persius
Appian Petronius
Arrian Phaedrus
Aulus Gellius Philo-Judaeus
Columella Phlegon
Damis Pliny the Elder
Dio Chrysostom Pliny the Younger
Dion Pruseus Plutarch
Epictetus Pompon Mela
Favorinus Ptolemy
Florus Lucius Quintilian
Hermogones Quintius Curtius
Josephus Seneca
Justus of Tiberius Silius Italicus
Juvenal Statius
Lucanus Suetonius
Lucian Tacitus
Lysias Theon of Smyran
Martial Valerius Flaccus
Paterculus Valerius Maximus



12/30/2015 4:00:28 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from aphrodisianus:
Very sad for Jesus. Many dozens of writers at the time of Jesus but none wrote about him.

Apollonius Persius
Appian Petronius
Arrian Phaedrus
Aulus Gellius Philo-Judaeus
Columella Phlegon
Damis Pliny the Elder
Dio Chrysostom Pliny the Younger
Dion Pruseus Plutarch
Epictetus Pompon Mela
Favorinus Ptolemy
Florus Lucius Quintilian
Hermogones Quintius Curtius
Josephus Seneca
Justus of Tiberius Silius Italicus
Juvenal Statius
Lucanus Suetonius
Lucian Tacitus
Lysias Theon of Smyran
Martial Valerius Flaccus
Paterculus Valerius Maximus



I wonder why these writers never mentioned a man called Jesus in their works?

The only writings that do exist ..... were authored by writers who chose to keep their identities withheld ..... that's why the gospels are all said to be "according to" ..... and ..... NOT "written by" ..... Matthew, Luke, Mark or John.

Which means that we don't even know who wrote the gospels.

These are the facts about Jesus of Nazareth ..... christians just refuse to accept them ..... they would rather choose to blindly accept these works of unknown origin as fact.

Anytime Walt tries to justify his nonsense posts ..... he is forced to reference these writings of unknown origins. What kind of justification is that?

Now he claims to be providing "historical evidence" to support his nonsense ..... by providing writings of people who were born after the crucifixion ..... one at least 700 years after ..... at least he is keeping true to his colors.

Peace

12/30/2015 1:04:14 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Here is a quote from The Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus."

I don't have Britannica, but perhaps some of you do. Check it out.

12/30/2015 2:27:01 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Here is a quote from The Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus."

I don't have Britannica, but perhaps some of you do. Check it out.


I went to http://www.britannica.com/ and searched for the quote you posted ..... and I didn't get a hit ..... but it seems that a number of articles are posted to http://www.britannica.com/ ..... one of which is from y-jesus.com ..... one of several outreach websites under the umbrella of JesusOnline Ministries.

If someone can verify that the quote actually comes from The Encyclopedia Britannica and not an article from y-jesus.com ..... I would appreciate it. If Britannica actually does make this statement ..... I would like to see what context it was made.

Peace

12/30/2015 3:00:10 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from sail_dancer:
I went to http://www.britannica.com/ and searched for the quote you posted ..... and I didn't get a hit ..... but it seems that a number of articles are posted to http://www.britannica.com/ ..... one of which is from y-jesus.com ..... one of several outreach websites under the umbrella of JesusOnline Ministries.

If someone can verify that the quote actually comes from The Encyclopedia Britannica and not an article from y-jesus.com ..... I would appreciate it. If Britannica actually does make this statement ..... I would like to see what context it was made.

Peace


Thanks

I have an email out to EB and will await their reply.

12/30/2015 6:49:19 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from sail_dancer:
You are a lunatic, Walt!

JOSEPHUS, TACITUS, and PHLEGON were all born after Jesus was supposedly crucified ..... they certainly cannot be considered as writing first hand knowledge of your so called christ.

Especially Phlegon who was actually born about 700 years after the supposed crucifixion!

My question to you is ..... why is it that you cannot supply any historians (who actually lived during Jesus' supposed lifetime) who actually wrote of Jesus the christ?

Peace
lets ask your dear old mama

1/1/2016 2:11:10 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Here is a quote from The Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus."

I don't have Britannica, but perhaps some of you do. Check it out.


I prefer to believe that Jesus existed . The raw story shows a hero defying all the odds .

A man challenging all the powers claimed to be , with his own version , that claimed them the heresy , "that they claimed him" to be . What a twist of fate !!! The story is fascinating , and heart felt . I wish with all of my heart , that it is true . If it were true , no religion would matter .

Nobody would have to kill , or harm in any way , to make a point , life would be grand .

1/1/2016 3:18:39 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Elvis actually existed. After Elvis died fans were seeing him all over the place. More people saw Elvis than Jesus.

Christians are stupid and delusional. They have all kinds of dumb shit going on in their heads. People say they make no sense and don't go beyond that. They are psychologically and intellectually deteriorated and quite often have hallucinations because they're mentally ill.




1/1/2016 8:39:34 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Here is a quote from The Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was only disputed for the first time, and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries.

I can't find any validation of your Britannica quote. Some sources say it appeared in the 2002 edition. This is from the current edition and is written by NT scholar E.P. Sanders, who more clearly delineates the limitations of the extra-biblical sources:

There are a few references to Jesus in 1st-century Roman and Jewish sources. Documents indicate that within a few years of Jesus’ death, Romans were aware that someone named Chrestus (a slight misspelling of Christus) had been responsible for disturbances in the Jewish community in Rome (Suetonius, The Life of the Deified Claudius 25.4). Twenty years later, according to Tacitus, Christians in Rome were prominent enough to be persecuted by Nero, and it was known that they were devoted to Christus, whom Pilate had executed (Annals 15.44). This knowledge of Jesus, however, was dependent on familiarity with early Christianity and does not provide independent evidence about Jesus. Josephus wrote a paragraph about Jesus (The Antiquities of the Jews 18.63ff.)—as he did about Theudas, the Egyptian, and other charismatic leaders (History of the Jewish War 2.258–263; The Antiquities of the Jews 20.97–99, 167–172)—but it has been heavily revised by Christian scribes, and Josephus’s original remarks cannot be discerned.
http://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century#toc222994

1/1/2016 9:35:38 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from clarence2:
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Here is a quote from The Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth:

"These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was only disputed for the first time, and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries.

I can't find any validation of your Britannica quote. Some sources say it appeared in the 2002 edition. This is from the current edition and is written by NT scholar E.P. Sanders, who more clearly delineates the limitations of the extra-biblical sources:

There are a few references to Jesus in 1st-century Roman and Jewish sources. Documents indicate that within a few years of Jesus’ death, Romans were aware that someone named Chrestus (a slight misspelling of Christus) had been responsible for disturbances in the Jewish community in Rome (Suetonius, The Life of the Deified Claudius 25.4). Twenty years later, according to Tacitus, Christians in Rome were prominent enough to be persecuted by Nero, and it was known that they were devoted to Christus, whom Pilate had executed (Annals 15.44). This knowledge of Jesus, however, was dependent on familiarity with early Christianity and does not provide independent evidence about Jesus. Josephus wrote a paragraph about Jesus (The Antiquities of the Jews 18.63ff.)—as he did about Theudas, the Egyptian, and other charismatic leaders (History of the Jewish War 2.258–263; The Antiquities of the Jews 20.97–99, 167–172)—but it has been heavily revised by Christian scribes, and Josephus’s original remarks cannot be discerned.
http://www.britannica.com/biography/Jesus/The-Jewish-religion-in-the-1st-century#toc222994


Good post!

Based on the link you provided .... it seems that the quote provided by Walt is probably false ..... if anything the link you provide contains many things that remain questionable about the character Jesus.

For those that want a good read ..... I suggest you follow the link that Clarence provided ..... and ..... read either the whole thing ..... or ..... at least the part entitled "Sources for the life of Jesus". I think you will come away with a very different conclusion than Walt has presented.

Peace

1/1/2016 9:45:53 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Its seems Walt will tell blatant lies expecting no one will exam it. He should focus on telling those lies to Christians who are gullible, live a life of lies, and believe in superstitions based on blind faith.

1/1/2016 9:53:38 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  
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Based on the link you provided .... it seems that the quote provided by Walt is probably false ..... if anything the link you provide contains many things that remain questionable about the character Jesus.

The quote appears in a lot of books and on apologetics sites according to Google, so probably was published in EB some years ago I'm thinking. The current E.P. Sanders assessment of the extra-biblical sources is more astute though. As you say, it's worth reading the rest of the article.



[Edited 1/1/2016 9:55:20 AM ]

1/1/2016 10:16:48 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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My dog is named Christ.

1/1/2016 2:20:51 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from sail_dancer:
Good post!

Based on the link you provided .... it seems that the quote provided by Walt is probably false ..... if anything the link you provide contains many things that remain questionable about the character Jesus.

For those that want a good read ..... I suggest you follow the link that Clarence provided ..... and ..... read either the whole thing ..... or ..... at least the part entitled "Sources for the life of Jesus". I think you will come away with a very different conclusion than Walt has presented.

Peace


Not necessarily false. Just a different interpretation of the historical writings.

Who is to say whether or not the New Testament scholar Clarence quoted (E.P. Sanders), is a liberal theologian and has been affected by what is known as "higher criticism," which looks for ways to cast doubt upon otherwise credible and reliable sources?

It boils down to what you want to believe. Candy store theology. Choose what fits your particular leanings.

It is interesting how Britannica can contain material in one edition and then replace it in another.

1/1/2016 2:51:17 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  
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Who is to say whether or not the New Testament scholar Clarence quoted (E.P. Sanders), is a liberal theologian and has been affected by what is known as "higher criticism," which looks for ways to cast doubt upon otherwise credible and reliable sources?

There doesn't exist a view in academia that critical historical scholarship of the Bible and NT is a bad thing. Your mistaken view that what you call "higher criticism" is bad parallels your comparable view that genuine science such as evolutionary theory is bad, and true scientific answers reside in the output of pseudoscience proponents like Walt Brown and Ron Wyatt.



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1/1/2016 3:45:37 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Here is a story of the discovery of Goliath’s skull in a valley at the western part of Jerusalem, the Israeli capital with the stone (from David’s sling) still stuck on the forehead. Hope you all remember the story of the CHALLENGE BOUT between David and Goliath in the Bible? Sure you all do Smiley
This startling discovery was made sometime ago by a leading archaeologist, Dr Richard Martin who says it proves that David’s battle with the 10-foot giant really happened just like the Bible said it did. He labelled it the “archeological finding of the century, if not of all time”.Back then, at a news conference in Jerusalem, he had told reporters: “Many people including scholars and clergymen would have us believe that the biblical account of David and Goliath is little more than an interesting piece of fiction. “But we found this skull in the valley of Elah, in the foothill of the Judean Mountains, where David’s battle with Goliath was said to have taken place. Even more intriguing, the skull is huge and clearly belonged to a man of enormous stature. And if you believe the Bible, you know that Goliath stood nine-feet shoulders tall. “But most telling piece of evidence is the small round rock we found embedded in the forehead. The Bible tells us that David killed Goliath with a stone flung from a leather sling. It might be - but I don’t think so.”Martin found the skull during a routine archaelogical survey about 20 miles southwest of Jerusalem. He and his assistants instantly realized that the find was important. It was not until they performed tests that showed the skull to be between 2,900 and 3,000 years old that they had actually found the remains of Goliath.

According to the Bible, the battle between David and Goliath happened around 900B.C or 1000 years before the birth of Jesus Christ.
The Bible tells us that the battle began as a band of Israelites were preparing to fight a band of Philistines on the valley of Elah.
At that point in history, it was common for enemies to avoid massive casualties by allowing one man from each side to fight for their respective armies. To quote the Bible, the Philistines Goliath challenged the Israelites to “choose a man and let him come to me. If he is able to fight with me and kill me, then we will be your servants. But if I prevail and kill him, then you shall serve us”. David took up the challenge and killed Goliath with a single stone thrown from a leather sling. When Goliath hit the ground, David chopped off his head with Goliath’s own sword. Dr Martin confirmed that the skull he saw had a rock stuck in the forehead.
“There was also evidence to suggest that the head had been severed from the body by a sharp object, most likely a sword. I know that the evidence is circumstantial but when you put it all together, there can be little doubt that this is Goliath’s skull. To be perfectly frank, I’m staking my career on it,” he said.
While biblical scholars and other experts consider the ramifications of Dr Martin’s report, the archaeologist himself is planning to return to the site to search for other relics. “Goliath was wearing a helmet and coat of mail when he was slain by David and we would like nothing more than to find them,” he added.

1/1/2016 4:15:17 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  
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Zero credibility pseudo-archaeology story lifted from someone's blog.

http://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,260171.0.html

1/1/2016 4:41:28 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from clarence2:

Zero credibility pseudo-archaeology story lifted from someone's blog.

http://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,260171.0.html


i will take my chances because there is more that has been found on the bible

1/1/2016 4:51:36 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  
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If by that you mean that you will take your chances and continue to prefer outrageously unreliable sources of information because they happen to concur with your existing beliefs, then yes, I've already noticed that this is the prevailing custom with biblical literalists. The whole belief system apparently requires a fundamental lack of honesty and critical thought.



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1/1/2016 11:07:43 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from wayn49:
i will take my chances because there is more that has been found on the bible


There's a good reason for that. You're an ignoramus magical thinker. There isn't any other reason why anyone would be believe in mythical fairy tales as fact. To be a Christian you have to have a half dead brain. Christians don't use critical thinking and require facts.

1/2/2016 12:36:17 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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The whole belief system apparently requires a fundamental complete lack of honesty and critical thought.

1/2/2016 2:24:20 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from olderthandirt20:
The whole belief system apparently requires a fundamental complete lack of honesty and critical thought.


I agree with you.

The lack of critical thought tends to place honesty on the defensive. If one cannot truly evaluate a situation because of religious beliefs ..... the only option left is to be dishonest with oneself.

Peace

1/2/2016 3:28:12 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from sail_dancer:
I agree with you.

The lack of critical thought tends to place honesty on the defensive. If one cannot truly evaluate a situation because of religious beliefs ..... the only option left is to be dishonest with oneself.

Peace



It appears to me that when discussing anything with walt and wayn you will be presented with manufactured and dishonest evidence while factual information will be sidestepped and ignored. It seems to be the norm to abandon common decency and honesty in order to support the unsupported doctrine at all cost without regard to any truth.
I find this strange coming from christians who are supposed to follow all the 10 commandments ( even number 9 you know "bearing false witness").



1/2/2016 3:36:30 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from olderthandirt20:
It appears to me that when discussing anything with walt and wayn you will be presented with manufactured and dishonest evidence while factual information will be sidestepped and ignored. It seems to be the norm to abandon common decency and honesty in order to support the unsupported doctrine at all cost without regard to any truth.


I have been enjoying Walt and Wayne's discussions on eternal damnation ..... they are miles apart on that one.

Peace

1/2/2016 4:41:42 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  
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Who is to say whether or not the New Testament scholar Clarence quoted (E.P. Sanders), is a liberal theologian and has been affected by what is known as "higher criticism," which looks for ways to cast doubt upon otherwise credible and reliable sources?

Part of the Wiki entry on E.P. Sanders. I've bolded for emphasis some interesting and relevant bits concerning Sanders' professional academic reputation and views on Jesus. Note that he's a very respected and renowned scholar, which is presumably why Encyclopaedia Britannica chose him to write their section on the historical Jesus:

Ed Parish Sanders (born 18 April 1937) is a New Testament scholar and one of the principal proponents of the "New Perspective on Paul". He is a major scholar in contemporary scholarship on the historical Jesus, and he contributed to the view that Jesus was part of a renewal movement within Judaism.[1] He has been Arts and Sciences Professor of Religion at Duke University, North Carolina, since 1990. He retired in 2005.
Sanders is a Fellow of the British Academy. In 1966 he received a Th.D. from Union Seminary in NYC. In 1990 he received a D. Litt. from the University of Oxford and a Th.D. from the University of Helsinki. He has authored, co-authored or edited 13 books and numerous articles. He has received a number of prizes, including the 1990 University of Louisville and Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary Grawemeyer Award for the best book on religion published in the 1980s for Jesus and Judaism.[2]
. . . . . . . . . .

Thought and writings

Sanders is known for his New Testament scholarship. His field of special interest is Judaism and Christianity in the Greco-Roman world. He is one of the leading scholars in contemporary historical Jesus research, the so-called "third quest," which places Jesus firmly in the context of Judaism.[1] In contemporary scholarship, Jesus is seen as the founder a "renewal movement within Judaism," to use Sanders' phrase.[1] He promotes the predominant view that Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._P._Sanders

                                                         Good book by E.P. Sanders.

                                                    


Quote from walt_oftheearth:
It is interesting how Britannica can contain material in one edition and then replace it in another.

Encyclopaedias typically strive to contain the latest information on an almost infinite variety of subjects. It's quite normal for them to constantly update their articles and replace outdated information with the most current.



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1/2/2016 4:52:50 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Excellent post, Clarence!

Peace

1/2/2016 9:02:05 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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I agree, Sail

1/2/2016 9:59:54 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

aphrodisianus
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I've seen nothing but the hysterical evidence of the one called Christ.







1/2/2016 11:18:18 AM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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He's toast!

1/2/2016 3:07:48 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

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Quote from olderthandirt20:
He's toast!


Maybe the very thing you want to happen to God, is the thing you fear He will do to you. We we're all His enemies, but you know there is a Way to find peace with Him.

I hope you may one day soon find that, before it's too late.

1/2/2016 3:14:10 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

walt_oftheearth
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Avondale, AZ
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
It is interesting how Britannica can contain material in one edition and then replace it in another.


Quote from clarence2:
Encyclopaedias typically strive to contain the latest information on an almost infinite variety of subjects. It's quite normal for them to constantly update their articles and replace outdated information with the most current.


Re-placing outdated information with the most current can be affected by what is popular and in vogue. Not everything that is popular and in vogue is true, and right.

1/2/2016 3:57:32 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

aphrodisianus
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Leander, TX
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Maybe the very thing you want to happen to God, is the thing you fear He will do to you.

You wish olderthandirt to become toast and fear he may be right. I guess he bothers you or something.

We we're all His enemies,
They say you're your own worst enemy. You are talking about yourself. In your case that's true.

but you know there is a Way to find peace with Him.
Since there is no him, there is only you that is not at peace. You can not be at peace by using ignorance as bliss. Bliss from ignorant is a false peace. You will do everything to sustain your delusions.

I hope you may one day soon find that, before it's too late.
You could if you see a mental health professional.

1/2/2016 4:12:00 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

olderthandirt20
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Waldron, AR
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I'm not sure how I could be afraid of non-existent beings. I suppose the same as I feel about dragons and fairies.
They make amusing reading sometimes but when the book is laid down the real world is still there.

1/2/2016 6:51:29 PM Historical Evidence Of The One Called The Christ  

wayn49
Over 2,000 Posts (3,922)
Birmingham, AL
54, joined Feb. 2011


Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Maybe the very thing you want to happen to God, is the thing you fear He will do to you. We we're all His enemies, but you know there is a Way to find peace with Him.

I hope you may one day soon find that, before it's too late.



yes walt i hope they do