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1/20/2016 5:42:24 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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Can you name a christian terrorist or terrorist group?



I will start with the army of god

The earliest documented incidence of the Army of God being involved with anti-abortion activity occurred in 1982. Three men associated with the organization kidnapped Hector Zevallos, a doctor who performed abortions, and his wife, Rosalee Jean, and held them hostage. The hostages were later released unharmed.[2] The "East Coast division" of the AOG claimed responsibility when three men, including Michael Bray, planted bombs at seven abortion clinics in Maryland, Virginia, and Washington D.C. in 1985.[3]

The AOG claimed responsibility for Eric Robert Rudolph's 1997 nail bombing of abortion clinics in Atlanta and Birmingham as well as an Atlanta lesbian bar.[4]

Clayton Waagner, claiming to act on the part of the "Virginia Dare Chapter" of the AOG, mailed over 500 letters containing white powder to 280 abortion providers in 2001. The letters claimed that the powder was anthrax; though it was not identified as such, the tactic took advantage of the public's fear of biological warfare after the recent real anthrax attacks.[5][6]

The group is also associated with a number of abortion clinic bombings, arsons and murders of abortion providers. Some of these murderers claimed association with the AOG; in other cases, while the killers expressed no affiliation with the group, the AOG has lionized their acts and taken up their cause.


://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)

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1/20/2016 6:49:01 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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...and because of this one small off-the-wall fringe group, you now have an excuse to reject your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! How clever you are!



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1/20/2016 7:01:58 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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Oh no lud not just one. Next one of yours ( catholic )

Tim McVeigh the Oklahoma City bomber yes he was a catholic.

Did he? Here's what he said: Time: Are you religious? McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs. Time: Do you believe in God? McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.


- See more at: http://www.ethicsdaily.com/an-accurate-look-at-timothy-mcveighs-beliefs-cms-15532#sthash.fVeHD6LC.dpuf



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1/20/2016 7:38:34 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
...and because of this one small off-the-wall fringe group, you now have an excuse to reject your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! How clever you are!


He's not your Lord and Savior. You refuse to obey Him.

"Why call ye me, [your Lord and Savior], and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

Jesus says you don't love God:

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)

How can He be your Lord and Savior?

Oh, now that I look, I see you didn't say He was your Lord and Savior. You meant Jesus is olderthandirt20's Lord and Savior, not yours.

And how can you take Holy Communion and eat Jesus flesh and drink His blood in good conscience while at the same time giving Him the finger by refusing to obeying Him and defying Him by doing exactly what He said not to do?

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

All you have to do is obey Him. Why don't you?

1/20/2016 7:39:12 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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Wade Michael Page

The killing spree by Wade Michael Page on the Sikh Gurudwara in Milwaukee that left seven dead including Page’s own death in a hail of bullets is an act of Christian terrorism. Page was a member of a skinhead band, End Apathy, that advertised the evils of multiculturalism and advocated white power.

It is fair to call Page a Christian terrorist since the evidence indicates that he thought he was defending the purity of white Christian society against the evils of multiculturalism that allow non-white non-Christians an equal role in America society. Like the Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh, and the Norwegian militant, Anders Breivik, Page thought he was killing to save white Christian society.

Though there is no evidence that Page was a pious Christian, that is true of many religious terrorists. If the hard-talking, swaggering al Qaeda militants can be called Muslim terrorists, certainly Page can be called a Christian terrorist.

Many of the al Qaeda activists—including the World Trade Center bomber Mahmud Abouhalima and the Iraq al Qaeda leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi—were attracted to the jihadi message not for reasons of personal piety, but because they were lured by the image of cosmic war. They saw themselves as religious warriors.

Wade Michael Page also gloried in the idea of war. The poster for his band, End Apathy, portrays a dead skinhead, lying in the street with police cars in the background. A banner in the poster states “Self Destruct.”


http://religiondispatches.org/christian-terrorism-comes-to-milwaukee/



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1/20/2016 7:50:55 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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Keep em comin dirt!!

I can barely believe that Lud actually said that
But then we have come to expect that sort of babble outta him

1/20/2016 8:01:00 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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Timothy McVeigh certainly does not represent the Catholic religion. The Catholic Church teaches that murder is a mortal sin, and that one should forgive one's enemies.

1/20/2016 8:12:24 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA)

The mainstream media have had much to say about the Islamist brutality of Boko Haram, but one terrorist group they haven’t paid nearly as much attention to is the Lord’s Resistance Army—which was founded by Joseph Kony (a radical Christianist) in Uganda in 1987 and has called for the establishment of a severe Christian fundamentalist government in that country. The LRA, according to Human Rights Watch, has committed thousands of killings and kidnappings—and along the way, its terrorism spread from Uganda to parts of the Congo, the Central African Republic (CAR) and South Sudan. The word “jihadist” is seldom used in connection with the LRA, but in fact, the LRA’s tactics are not unlike those of ISIS or Boko Haram. And the governments Kony hopes to establish in Sub-Saharan Africa would implement a Christianist equivalent of Islamic Sharia law.


http://web.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/army-god-6-modern-day-christian-terrorist-groups-you-never-hear-about


@ ludlow denial is not a river in Egypt no true scotsman fallacy!!again

1/20/2016 8:20:19 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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The National Liberation Front of Tripura

The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by missionaries from New Zealand in the 1940s. Despite their efforts, even until the 1980s, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity. In the aftermath of one of the worst ethnic riots, the NLFT was born in 1989 with the backing of the Baptist Church of Tripura.[9] Since then, the NLFT has been advancing its cause through armed rebellion. In its constitution, the organisation claims to represent the indigenous population which it claims has been marginalised by "the subjugation policy of imperialist Hindustani (India)"; its constitution makes no mention of any specific religion and claims to extend membership to "any person irrespective of caste, sex or creed".[10]

The NLFT has been described as engaging in terrorist violence motivated by their Christian beliefs.[11] The NLFT is listed as a terrorist organisation in the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002.[7] The state government contends that the Baptist Church of Tripura supplies arms and gives financial support to the NLFT.[12][13] In April 2000, according to the state government, the secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, Nagmanlal Halam, was arrested In April 2000 with explosives and confessed that for two years he had been buying explosives for the NLFT.[13] In 2000, the NLFT threatened to kill Hindus celebrating the religious festival of Durga Puja.[14] At least 20 Hindus in Tripura have been killed by the NLFT in two years for resisting forced conversion to Christianity.[15] A leader of the Jamatia tribe, Rampada Jamatia, said that armed NLFT militants were forcibly converting tribal villagers to Christianity, which he said was a serious threat to Hinduism.[15] It is believed that as many as 5,000 tribal villagers were forcibly converted from 1999 to 2001.[15] These forcible conversions to Christianity, sometimes including the use of "rape as a means of intimidation," were noted by academics outside of India in 2007.[11]

In early 2000, 16 Bengali Hindus were killed by the NLFT at Gourangatilla. On May 20, 2000, the NLFT killed 25 Bengali Hindus at the Bagber refugee camp.[16] In August 2000, a tribal Hindu spiritual leader, Shanti Kali, was shot dead by about ten NLFT guerrillas who said it wanted to convert all people in the state to Christianity.[17] In December 2000, Labh Kumar Jamatia, a religious leader of the state's second largest Hindu group, was kidnapped by the NLFT, and found dead in a forest in Dalak village in southern Tripura. According to police, rebels from the NLFT wanted Jamatia to convert to Christianity, but he refused.[18] A local Marxist tribal leader, Kishore Debbarma, was clubbed to death in Tripura's Sadar by militants from the Biswamohan faction of the NLFT in May 2005.[19]

In 2001, there were 826 reported terrorist attacks in Tripura, in which 405 people lost their lives and 481 kidnappings were made by the NLFT and related organisations such as the Christian All Tripura Tiger Force (ATTP).[20] Nagmanlal Halam, secretary of the Noapara Baptist Church in Tripura, was arrested for and confessed, under torture from police, to providing munitions and financial aid to the NLFT from 1998 until 2000.[6]

The BBC reported in 2005 that independent investigations as well as confessions from surrendered members showed that the NLFT had been making and selling pornography to finance their activities. This includes DVDs of pornographic films made by the group with tribal men and women kidnapped and forced to participate in sex acts while being filmed. The movies are dubbed into various languages and sold illegally throughout the region for a profit. Statements from former members and one report state that the NLFT has a history of sexually abusing tribal women.[21]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberation_Front_of_Tripura

1/21/2016 1:50:26 AM Christian terrorist list?  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Timothy McVeigh certainly does not represent the Catholic religion. The Catholic Church teaches that murder is a mortal sin, and that one should forgive one's enemies.


When has the Catholic church ever forgiven its enemies? If they were "in charge" again as they were 700 years ago they'd be killing "heretics." Same old, same old. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Human nature doesn't change. The Catholic church is still arrogant and intransigent.

“There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters” -Daniel Webster

                                                                             

1/21/2016 5:57:58 AM Christian terrorist list?  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
...and because of this one small off-the-wall fringe group, you now have an excuse to reject your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! How clever you are!


You're a moron. You're off the wall yourself. Delusional, mentally sick, incoherent. What else?

1/21/2016 8:46:49 AM Christian terrorist list?  

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http://web.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/army-god-6-modern-day-christian-terrorist-groups-you-never-hear-about


Founded in Henan Province, China in 1990, Eastern Lightning (also known as the Church of the Almighty God or the Church of the Gospel’s Kingdom) is a Christianist cult with an end-time/apocalypse focus: Eastern Lightning believes that the world is coming to an end, and in the meantime, its duty is to slay as many demons as possible. While most Christianists have an extremely patriarchal viewpoint (much like their Islamist counterparts) and consider women inferior to men, Eastern Lightning believe that Jesus Christ will return to Earth in the form of a Chinese woman. But they are quite capable of violence against women: in May 2014, for example, members of the cult beat a 37-year-old woman named Wu Shuoyan to death in a McDonalds in Zhaoyuan, China when she refused to give them her phone number. Eastern Lightning members Zhang Lidong and his daughter, Zhang Fan, were convicted of murder for the crime and executed in February. In a 2014 interview in prison, Lidong expressed no remorse when he said of Shuoyan, “I beat her with all my might and stamped on her too. She was a demon. We had to destroy her.”

Eastern Lightning’s other acts of violence have ranged from the killing of a grammar school student in 2010 (in retaliation, police believe, for one of the child’s relatives wanting to leave the cult) to cult member Min Yongjun using a knife to attack an elderly woman and a group of schoolchildren in Chenpeng in 2012. Christian groups are not exempt from Eastern Lightning’s fanaticism: in 2002, cult members kidnapped 34 members of a Christian group called the China Gospel Fellowship and held them captive for two months in the hope of forcing them to join their cult. Although mainly active in the communist People’s Republic of China, Eastern Lighting has been trying to expand its membership in Hong Kong.


1/21/2016 8:51:27 AM Christian terrorist list?  
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
Oh no lud not just one. Next one of yours ( catholic )

Tim McVeigh the Oklahoma City bomber yes he was a catholic.

Did he? Here's what he said: Time: Are you religious? McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs. Time: Do you believe in God? McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.


- See more at: http://www.ethicsdaily.com/an-accurate-look-at-timothy-mcveighs-beliefs-cms-15532#sthash.fVeHD6LC.dpuf



Oops... I met Tim McVey, too.

His religious beliefs had nothing to do with the terrorist activities he was involved with.

FAIL...... Nice try. Try again.

1/21/2016 9:08:14 AM Christian terrorist list?  

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We are all aware of the Jonestown massacre are we not?
On November 18, 1978, in what became known as the “Jonestown Massacre,” more than 900 members of an American cult called the Peoples Temple died in a mass suicide-murder under the direction of their leader Jim Jones . The mass suicide-murder took place at the so-called Jonestown settlement in the South American nation of Guyana. On November 18, 1978, U.S. Representative Leo Ryan, who had gone to Jonestown to investigate claims of abuse, was murdered, along with four members of his delegation, by Jonestown gunmen. That same day, Jones ordered his followers to ingest poison-laced punch, while armed guards stood by.

Representative Leo Ryan was the first (and only to date )federal representative to die in the line of duty.

I wonder where walt & wayn are they have said there were no modern christian terrorist?

1/21/2016 10:04:20 AM Christian terrorist list?  

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FJO asks, when does the Cathilic Church forgive her enemies? The Church forgives her enemies every Saturday afternoon all over the world, when it hears confessions. Whenever a Catholic commits a mortal sin that Catholic becomes an enemy of the Church and an enemy of Christ. But the Church forgives tge repentant sinner, and restores that sinner to the state of grace.

1/21/2016 11:30:07 AM Christian terrorist list?  

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1/21/2016 12:01:22 PM Christian terrorist list?  
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
Oh no lud not just one. Next one of yours ( catholic )

Tim McVeigh the Oklahoma City bomber yes he was a catholic.

Did he? Here's what he said: Time: Are you religious? McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs. Time: Do you believe in God? McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.


- See more at: http://www.ethicsdaily.com/an-accurate-look-at-timothy-mcveighs-beliefs-cms-15532#sthash.fVeHD6LC.dpuf


I see you edited that post.

When nailed down, he said "my religion is science. And believing in God, does not make you Christian, there are over 3000 Gods, and only a handful are Christian.

Just because you were born into a Christian family does not make you a Christian.

If I committed some horrendous terror act right now, the various people would look into my past and say, He was a Christian terrorist.

I was born into a hard core protestant family, baptism, confirmation, the whole brainwashing. But I rejected the church when I was in my late teens. turning to Buddhism, I still believed in God.

Now I have rejected all of them for their God concept.

No, I am not a Christian.

1/21/2016 12:50:58 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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Quote from Yasureoktoo:
I see you edited that post.

When nailed down, he said "my religion is science. And believing in God, does not make you Christian, there are over 3000 Gods, and only a handful are Christian.

Just because you were born into a Christian family does not make you a Christian.

If I committed some horrendous terror act right now, the various people would look into my past and say, He was a Christian terrorist.

I was born into a hard core protestant family, baptism, confirmation, the whole brainwashing. But I rejected the church when I was in my late teens. turning to Buddhism, I still believed in God.

Now I have rejected all of them for their God concept.

No, I am not a Christian.



The same could be said about some muslim terrorist too but that is another subject for another thread.
The quote was from a quoted time magazine interview, I quoted from that.

1/21/2016 1:03:38 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
FJO asks, when does the Cathilic Church forgive her enemies? The Church forgives her enemies every Saturday afternoon all over the world, when it hears confessions. Whenever a Catholic commits a mortal sin that Catholic becomes an enemy of the Church and an enemy of Christ. But the Church forgives tge repentant sinner, and restores that sinner to the state of grace.


That is complete Catholic nonsense.

Doesn't your church teach that Jesus already died for your sins? If that's true, what is the need for confession? Did He, or didn't He? How many ways can you have it?

Why do you refuse to obey "Christ"?

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

Jesus wants to know as well.

Jesus: "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

And I was talking about the enemies it tries to exterminate, as it has in the past. There's no reason to think that anything would change if they had the power again to kill heretics.



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1/21/2016 1:23:51 PM Christian terrorist list?  
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
The same could be said about some muslim terrorist too but that is another subject for another thread.
The quote was from a quoted time magazine interview, I quoted from that.


You can say it about muslim terrorists, but that does not make it true.

The muslim terror meter, at about 27,000 right now, would be 3 times higher if the only requirement was to be a muslim.

What differentiates a religious terrorist, from a run of the mill terrorist, is weather or not the person is following the orders of the religion. In most cases, expecting a heavenly reward, for the act they just committed.

1/21/2016 1:39:17 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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I guess that's where we disagree, you believe"What differentiates a religious terrorist, from a run of the mill terrorist, is weather or not the person is following the orders of the religion.

I believe it's whether they believe they are doing their gods work, or protecting their faith whatever that may be.

Is the klan christian? Probably not by a narrow view, but they believe they are and that makes it christian in my books.
If they draw inspiration from the bible ( no matter how out of context they may take it) it is christian motivated.

1/21/2016 1:40:22 PM Christian terrorist list?  
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The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA)

The mainstream media have had much to say about the Islamist brutality of Boko Haram, but one terrorist group they haven’t paid nearly as much attention to is the Lord’s Resistance Army—which was founded by Joseph Kony (a radical Christianist) in Uganda in 1987 and has called for the establishment of a severe Christian fundamentalist government in that country. The LRA, according to Human Rights Watch, has committed thousands of killings and kidnappings—and along the way, its terrorism spread from Uganda to parts of the Congo, the Central African Republic (CAR) and South Sudan. The word “jihadist” is seldom used in connection with the LRA, but in fact, the LRA’s tactics are not unlike those of ISIS or Boko Haram. And the governments Kony hopes to establish in Sub-Saharan Africa would implement a Christianist equivalent of Islamic Sharia law.


http://web.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/army-god-6-modern-day-christian-terrorist-groups-you-never-hear-about


@ ludlow denial is not a river in Egypt no true scotsman fallacy!!again


The LRA is a good group to use as a model for the imagined Christian terrorists.

There is nothing Christian about the group, and no Christian churches or sects claim them.
They are a group of murderous thugs using religion in their name to take over.

1/21/2016 1:47:20 PM Christian terrorist list?  
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
I guess that's where we disagree, you believe"What differentiates a religious terrorist, from a run of the mill terrorist, is weather or not the person is following the orders of the religion.

I believe it's whether they believe they are doing their gods work, or protecting their faith whatever that may be.

Is the klan christian? Probably not by a narrow view, but they believe they are and that makes it christian in my books.
If they draw inspiration from the bible ( no matter how out of context they may take it) it is christian motivated.


Actually I do agree with the part, "If they believe they are doing gods work".
This lets the door open for the nutcases.

One of the Christmass day Abortion clinic bombings, said he did it for a birthday present for Jesus. Clearly a Christian terrorist act, but on the other hand clearly a nutcase. If he was to take his plans to any preacher the day before, he would have been told, "no".
This terror act supported his view of Christianity, not the one written.

1/21/2016 2:04:33 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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I find it time consuming to psychoanalyze every christian or muslim after the fact.

So for all intents and purposes they are all at least a little off of plumb.

From another thread
I have noticed many christians denounce many other christians until it only includes a narrow definition that closely resembles the speaker's thoughts?
I choose to call anyone who thinks he/she is following gods wishes a christian.
It's funny that christianity claims a majority in the u.s. but listening to the christians in this forum deny other christians it winds up to only having 27 people who are true christians.


It's just too complex to sort out.

1/21/2016 2:11:07 PM Christian terrorist list?  
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
I guess that's where we disagree, you believe"What differentiates a religious terrorist, from a run of the mill terrorist, is weather or not the person is following the orders of the religion.

I believe it's whether they believe they are doing their gods work, or protecting their faith whatever that may be.

Is the klan christian? Probably not by a narrow view, but they believe they are and that makes it christian in my books.
If they draw inspiration from the bible ( no matter how out of context they may take it) it is christian motivated.


The bible was written by white people, both old and new, and when people create their Gods, they are the same race as the people inventing them. While other races are discriminated against, and looked down upon, there is nothing calling for their slaughter, and quite a bit denying it.
Yes, a group can pick out certain verses, and stretch them a little to fit their needs. but here is a case of putting the cart before the horse, and the people representing the horse will tell them they are wrong. However their intentions are not the Christian religion, but rather racial dominance using religion.

1/21/2016 2:59:49 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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You can say it about muslim terrorists, but that does not make it true.

The muslim terror meter, at about 27,000 right now, would be 3 times higher if the only requirement was to be a muslim.

What differentiates a religious terrorist, from a run of the mill terrorist, is weather or not the person is following the orders of the religion. In most cases, expecting a heavenly reward, for the act they just committed.


I think Bob Dylan said, You don't need a whetherman to know which way the wind blows.



1/21/2016 3:27:11 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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1/21/2016 3:29:27 PM Christian terrorist list?  
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Are you sure Dylan wasn't talking about Patty Hurst?

1/21/2016 3:30:37 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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whetherman

1/21/2016 7:21:55 PM Christian terrorist list?  

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whetherman


I'm glad somebody got it!

1/23/2016 5:26:58 AM Christian terrorist list?  

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We do stupid shit because we are born to survive .

We become humanitarians , because survival instinct has taught us to observe .

It was never about us (this is survival instinct), it was always about the environment around us .

We obey , or we create a universe that never existed .

We create a hell , created by our own nightmares , whos fault is that ?

We have a universe that dont care what we think , created by a universe that says that what we think doesn't matter , and we still go on thinking that it matters .