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3/4/2016 9:46:33 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from wayn49:
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go look this up and see for your self and other doctrine that is not of Gods word also has swept into the church

if one is really a servant of God then you would think they would really live by the word of God



None of it is God's word because men wrote the words. Only men give themselves authority and yet educated men and women are actual authorities of their subjects and recognized by peer review.

God is an imaginary being created by men. These men gave themselves the authority to create gods. All 4500 of them. Of course you have the authority to create your own god as you wish.

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3/4/2016 10:13:38 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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if you study your history of the middle ages also known as the dark ages you will find that popes dictated there authority upon christians. many were persecuted and put to death for such crimes as owning a bible and reading it. the popes thought that they were the only ones who knew how to interpret the bible. paganism swept into the church of rome also referred to the roman catholic church.

if someone really studied the bible and went by what the bible really said would see the false doctrine that has swept into church

not knocking catholics, just what does the bible say?


Ludlow says it doesn't matter what the bible says, it only matters what the church says the bible says.

Isn't that right, Lud?

3/5/2016 5:36:33 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

duchessa
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Quote from wayn49:
the only authority anyone should accept is from God, not another person


Brains like yours crooked this world.

3/5/2016 5:37:35 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

duchessa
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So no one gets any authority from anyone.


I bet he doesn't get the meaning of your message. jijijij lol

3/5/2016 5:43:04 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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I bet he doesn't get the meaning of your message. jijijij lol



I don't think so either.

3/5/2016 5:43:13 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

duchessa
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if you study your history of the middle ages also known as the dark ages you will find that popes dictated there authority upon christians.


First, dear, is """ THEIR """. Secondly, my friend, the fact people at that time were A LOT more stupid than today, and three or four wise guys scammed them to the nines, has nothing to do with God (it doesn't exist) or authority but...darling...with the worst dictatorship mankind ever faced.

3/5/2016 8:01:45 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

manniblelector
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...because they know the history of the pope and why he became what it is now. The pope was the romans way of controlling the ever rising religion of Christianity. Instead of the people looking to God and the bible for answers, they made the pope so he could attract the idiots of the world, in so doing giving the romans a way to control the people through religion, while persecuting, and killing Christians. The pope is just a man in white robes, he is not sinless, he is not prefect, he is not godly, he's just a man. A man who goes against Gods will, and will probably burn in hell for eternity.

3/5/2016 8:17:06 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from manniblelector:
...because they know the history of the pope and why he became what it is now. The pope was the romans way of controlling the ever rising religion of Christianity. Instead of the people looking to God and the bible for answers, they made the pope so he could attract the idiots of the world,
Without or without the pope are superstitious idiots who believe in the delusion of imaginary beings, places and things....

in so doing giving the romans a way to control the people through religion, ..
As does any other religious leader of ignorant superstitious loons.

while persecuting, and killing Christians. The pope is just a man in white robes, he is not sinless, he is not prefect, he is not godly, he's just a man.
As is God himself a man with physical body parts. A face. Feet. Hands. and of obvious he has an a** which is what Moses saw when God walked by.

A man who goes against Gods will, and will probably burn in hell for eternity.
As a man who is stupid and wallowing in religious delusions until he gets mental health care.

3/5/2016 8:30:29 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

manniblelector
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As a man who is stupid and wallowing in religious delusions until he gets mental health care.


You're the stupid one for not believing in God, but that's your choice to be an idiot, probably cause' you suck d*ck, and hate what God says about f*gs like you.

3/5/2016 9:24:34 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from manniblelector:
You're the stupid one for not believing in God, but that's your choice to be an idiot, probably cause' you suck d*ck, and hate what God says about f*gs like you.


Just wondering if Jesus sucked d*ck or maybe you have.

There are over 4500 gods that man created. One also has to consider Jesus, a man who never had a girlfriend or a wife yet lots of boyfriends. What was Jesus doing with the naked boy in Mark 14:51? The problem there is obvious. Why did this boy run off naked? Jesus also "especially" loved one of his apostles, a man.

Jesus also blessed a slave and his slave master knowing full well Roman slaves were also sex slaves, a culturally dominant and accept practice.






[Edited 3/5/2016 9:25:30 AM ]

3/5/2016 10:21:07 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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Quote from aphrodisianus:
None of it is God's word because men wrote the words. Only men give themselves authority and yet educated men and women are actual authorities of their subjects and recognized by peer review.

God is an imaginary being created by men. These men gave themselves the authority to create gods. All 4500 of them. Of course you have the authority to create your own god as you wish.



the bible is Gods word written by man who were led by the Holy Spirit. if you do not believe that, then that is your choice



[Edited 3/5/2016 10:22:45 AM ]

3/5/2016 10:41:10 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

manniblelector
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Just wondering if Jesus sucked d*ck or maybe you have.

There are over 4500 gods that man created. One also has to consider Jesus, a man who never had a girlfriend or a wife yet lots of boyfriends. What was Jesus doing with the naked boy in Mark 14:51? The problem there is obvious. Why did this boy run off naked? Jesus also "especially" loved one of his apostles, a man.

Jesus also blessed a slave and his slave master knowing full well Roman slaves were also sex slaves, a culturally dominant and accept practice.




So you're angry God despises homosexuals, and this is your way of attacking him. I don't really care what you think as you'll burn for an eternity if you don't change. I'm safe, have fun in hell bucky.

3/5/2016 11:10:12 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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the bible is Gods word written by man who were led by the Holy Spirit.


Let by what? Being led by superstitious ignorance alone is bad enough. Being led by psychosis, voices in the head from mental illness.

3/5/2016 11:12:21 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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So you're angry God despises homosexuals, and this is your way of attacking him. I don't really care what you think as you'll burn for an eternity if you don't change. I'm safe, have fun in hell bucky.


Are you worried Jesus was a homosexual who chose suicide?

Remember Jesus told his merry men to not even have any sexual thoughts about women else it's adultery. Homosexuals by their very nature do not have sexual thoughts about women. Jesus was jealous. He wanted his men all to himself.

3/5/2016 11:36:51 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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Typos fixed...

Led by what? Being led by superstitious ignorance alone is bad enough. Being led by psychosis, voices in the head from mental illness is much worse.


Psychiatry recognizes religious delusions to be much worse than any other kind of delusion. Religious delusions are more debilitating to the mind, the cognitive processes, which is why religious obsessions makes an individual more incoherent and irrational.

3/5/2016 11:49:02 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

manniblelector
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Are you worried Jesus was a homosexual who chose suicide?

Remember Jesus told his merry men to not even have any sexual thoughts about women else it's adultery. Homosexuals by their very nature do not have sexual thoughts about women. Jesus was jealous. He wanted his men all to himself.


Crucifixion is not suicide, then again it's obvious you're not playing with a full deck.

3/5/2016 12:05:55 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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i challenge anyone to take the bible and read it and study it along with history

3/5/2016 1:09:08 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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Quote from wayn49:
if you study your history of the middle ages also known as the dark ages you will find that popes dictated there authority upon christians. many were persecuted and put to death for such crimes as owning a bible and reading it. the popes thought that they were the only ones who knew how to interpret the bible. paganism swept into the church of rome also referred to the roman catholic church.

if someone really studied the bible and went by what the bible really said would see the false doctrine that has swept into church

not knocking catholics, just what does the bible say?

one instance is the sabbath which is the seventh day of the week which is saturday. sunday worship swept into the church and in 336 AD it was changed by the roman catholic church. and most protestant churches know this but yet they honor sunday and many think the pope is divine and has the authority to change Gods law or whatever they see fit


go look this up and see for your self and other doctrine that is not of Gods word also has swept into the church

if one is really a servant of God then you would think they would really live by the word of God


It's funny that people can point out the flaws in others religions and fail so miserably to accept that their personal religion has similar flaws and sometimes they are the same flaws. Why is that?

3/5/2016 7:55:30 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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i challenge anyone to take the bible and read it and study it along with history


How many times have you read the bible cover to cover??

3/6/2016 5:11:07 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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the bible is Gods word written by man who were led by the Holy Spirit. if you do not believe that, then that is your choice


nO, IS HIS INTELLIGENCE AND YOUR IGNORANCE.

3/6/2016 5:13:12 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

duchessa
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I'm safe, have fun in hell bucky.


The problem is the rest of mankind is not safe with individuals such as yourself.

3/6/2016 8:00:48 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from wayn49:

the bible is Gods word written by man who were led by the Holy Spirit.


I ask you again. Led by what?

In psychosis patients have hallucinations, intrusive thoughts, and disordered thinking. Just as ignorant religious throughout history accused those suffering epilepsy, bipolor disorder or even hypoglycemia to be possessed by demons you declaring a mental disorder to be called the holy spirit.

3/7/2016 5:11:01 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  
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Quote from wayn49:
i challenge anyone to take the bible and read it and study it along with history


The bible is a compiling of stories taken from many different religious texts and pieced together into one book. It was compiled by a group of men (Council of Nicaea, that were selected by Roman Emperor Constantine. Why? Because Emperor Constantine was basically tired of all the fighting between the Old Jewish Torah followers, and the New followers of Christ teachings. Not too mention that there was the division between what Peter had taught, and what Paul had taught. He sought to bring together it all together in one version that would appease all. So the Old Testament was taken from the Jewish writing mostly from the Torah and the Book of Jubilee. The New Testament was taken from texts that were written by some of the Original twelve.

Now if you original goal is to create a book that will appease the masses, and you take pieces from a bunch of different religious texts and put them into one. And you were seeking to use this book to control the religious beliefs of the masses. How much of the original teachings is lost? What is left out because it doesn't meet with the original goal or serve the original purpose of compiling the book?

Then to stop everyone from following a different teaching you say to the masses. From henceforth anyone caught holding or teaching from any of the old religious text,that aren't included in the bible will be condemned to death. Then you have yourself a religious text burning party and seek to destroy any trace of anything religious text that goes against what you have compiled.

I'm not saying the bible doesn't contain some valuable gems of insight. But when you allow it to become the infallible word of God, your really selling God short. or when you believe that everything Jesus taught is in the bible, well then you selling Jesus short also.



[Edited 3/7/2016 5:12:40 AM ]

3/7/2016 5:56:17 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  
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Quote from wayn49:
the bible is Gods word written by man who were led by the Holy Spirit. if you do not believe that, then that is your choice


If they were so filled with the Holy Spirit they would have ascended, been taken up like Ezekiel. A divinely inspired writing can only be written based on the level of Christ consciousness someone obtains. And the written word is like leaven that seeks to raise the whole loaf of bread. Meaning that the words written seeks to raise up the whole (everyone). It doesn't seek to cause separation or division, it doesn't feed only one group of people, but the loaf is broken to feed many.

3/7/2016 6:20:51 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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I'm not saying the bible doesn't contain some valuable gems of insight. But when you allow it to become the infallible word of God, your really selling God short. or when you believe that everything Jesus taught is in the bible, well then you selling Jesus short also.


You're no less irrational or superstitious than the others. You have an imaginary being you accuse others of selling short.

3/7/2016 6:24:11 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

aphrodisianus
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If they were so filled with the Holy Spirit they would have ascended, been taken up like Ezekiel. A divinely inspired writing can only be written based on the level of Christ consciousness someone obtains.
Christ consciousness is really just being infused with myths about Jesus and believing them as if it were fact. The holy spirit talking and guiding people is really a description of a mental disorder of other minds within your head that has influence. That's a mental illness.


And the written word is like leaven that seeks to raise the whole loaf of bread. Meaning that the words written seeks to raise up the whole (everyone). It doesn't seek to cause separation or division, it doesn't feed only one group of people, but the loaf is broken to feed many.
The metaphorical bread loaf nonsense doesn't fly. Christianity is about a copied man-god myth written by non-eyewitnesses.

3/7/2016 12:18:14 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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Ludlow, as the OP of this thread, you should block aphrodisianus from it. He's not supposed to be here anyway on the Religion forum and he contributes nothing of value, picking at any religious person who posts, no matter what religion they are.

I see that he's now also using Dr. William Sadler's photo for his profile picture.

3/7/2016 6:28:03 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  
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Quote from followjesusonly:
Ludlow, as the OP of this thread, you should block aphrodisianus from it. He's not supposed to be here anyway on the Religion forum and he contributes nothing of value, picking at any religious person who posts, no matter what religion they are.

I see that he's now also using Dr. William Sadler's photo for his profile picture.



I don't even read his posting anymore. Nor will I comment on anything he has to say.

3/8/2016 3:23:11 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

duchessa
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Quote from wayn49:
i challenge anyone to take the bible and read it and study it along with history


WHY DON'T YOU CHALLENGE YOURSELF TO A GLASS OF SANITY INSTEAD?

3/8/2016 4:22:43 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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Wayn, I did. That's why I became a Catholic.

"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."

--Cardinal John Henry Newman

3/8/2016 4:53:49 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

followjesusonly
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Wayn, I did. That's why I became a Catholic.

"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."

--Cardinal John Henry Newman


I was a Catholic and that's why I became a Protestant.

Who cares what catholic Cardinal John Henry Newman says? Of what account is he? He's just another guy with a catholic-centric opinion. They paid his wages. Of course he's going to push their account of reality.

"John Henry Newman, a renowned scholar-priest and Britain’s most famous 19th-century convert to Catholicism, was beatified in 2010 amid rampant speculation that he was gay. Newman’s feast day is today (Aug. 11) in the Anglican church and Oct. 9 in the Catholic church.

Newman and another priest, Ambrose St. John, lived together for 32 years and share the same grave. Some say they shared a “romantic friendship” or “communitarian life.” It seems likely that both men had a homosexual orientation while abstaining from sex. Newman described St. John as “my earthly light.” The men were inseparable.

Ambrose Saint John (1815 -1875) apparently met Newman in 1841. They lived together for 32 years, starting in 1843. St. John was about 14 years younger than Newman. He compared their meeting to a Biblical same-sex couple, Ruth and Naomi. In Newman’s own words, St. John “came to me as Ruth came to Naomi” during the difficult years right before he left the Anglican church." http://jesusinlove.blogspot.com/2012/10/cardinal-newman-and-ambrose-st-john-gay.html

3/8/2016 6:01:31 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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People are always ays saying priests are gay.

3/8/2016 7:19:50 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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People are always ays saying priests are gay.



They're not all gay. Some are pedophiles.

3/9/2016 1:49:16 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

duchessa
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People are always ays saying priests are gay.


Most priests are NOT gays NEITHER pedophiles....but ALL live against Mother Nature's rules

3/9/2016 6:00:29 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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As far as we know Jesus never married. Was Jesus living against Mother Nature's rules?

3/9/2016 10:02:02 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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As far as we know Jesus never married. Was Jesus living against Mother Nature's rules?


Jesus was operating under a set of "rules" that do not apply to us. Jesus, as the Creator, a divine being, was not to have any half human/half divine children with human beings. Also, it would be unseemly and probably unGodly for the Creator to have sex with His creatures.

3/9/2016 10:30:10 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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*
I came across this today in The Urantia Book and at first, as my eyes glanced on it, I thought it was talking about the Catholic church, the similarities were so strong. Apparently, if true, they even believe in Purgatory:

94:10.1 In Tibet may be found the strangest association of the Melchizedek teachings combined with Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, and Christianity. When the Buddhist missionaries entered Tibet, they encountered a state of primitive savagery very similar to that which the early Christian missionaries found among the northern tribes of Europe.

94:10.2 These simple-minded Tibetans would not wholly give up their ancient magic and charms. Examination of the religious ceremonials of present-day Tibetan rituals reveals an overgrown brotherhood of priests with shaven heads who practice an elaborate ritual embracing bells, chants, incense, processionals, rosaries, images, charms, pictures, holy water, gorgeous vestments, and elaborate choirs. They have rigid dogmas and crystallized creeds, mystic rites and special fasts. Their hierarchy embraces monks, nuns, abbots, and the Grand Lama. They pray to angels, saints, a Holy Mother, and the gods. They practice confessions and believe in purgatory. Their monasteries are extensive and their cathedrals magnificent. They keep up an endless repetition of sacred rituals and believe that such ceremonials bestow salvation. Prayers are fastened to a wheel, and with its turning they believe the petitions become efficacious. -The Urantia Book

3/9/2016 10:34:52 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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As far as we know Jesus never married. Was Jesus living against Mother Nature's rules?


Let's see ..... you claim that he ..... walked on water ..... changed water to wine ..... brought back Lazarus from the dead ..... rose from the dead himself ..... walked through walls (or closed door)..... and magically levitated into the heavens on a cloud.

I would think that would qualify as "living against Mother Nature's rules" ..... wouldn't you?

Peace

3/10/2016 3:16:52 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

followjesusonly
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I think he's got you there, Lud.

3/10/2016 8:09:04 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

duchessa
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As far as we know Jesus never married. Was Jesus living against Mother Nature's rules?


If he existed and didn't screw around....YES, HE LIVED AGAINST MOTHER NATURE'S RULES.

3/11/2016 8:20:45 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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Wayn, I did. That's why I became a Catholic.

"To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant."

--Cardinal John Henry Newman



lud that is why there was a reformation led by many who stood up against the catholic church and many broke away from the catholic beliefs

3/11/2016 8:39:19 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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Because they lack humility. Without humility no one can be saved.



Because, besides everything that was said here, nobody forces me to accept what I don't want to accept.

3/11/2016 8:39:19 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
As far as we know Jesus never married. Was Jesus living against Mother Nature's rules?


As far as the elders want you to know . If he did exist , he had to be human . What you read , was written by someone else .

It was written at a time , when religion was falling apart , salvaged by everything they cursed , and killed .



[Edited 3/11/2016 8:40:53 AM ]

3/11/2016 8:39:22 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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How many times have you read the bible cover to cover??



Wayn

3/11/2016 8:40:48 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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As far as the elders want you to know . If he did exist , he had to be human . What you read , was written by someone else .

It was written at a time when religion was falling apart , salvaged by everything they cursed .





3/11/2016 8:47:30 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

nonstandard
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I've attempted to read the bible , many times , its complicated .

Life is really simple . Its made complicated , by tyrants , that what to control it .

Every single time .

3/11/2016 9:56:16 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

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Wayn



i read it two times before but that does not mean i know everything because there is still a lot to learn

3/11/2016 10:37:19 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

rufftreasure
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You wouldn't believe me if I told you how many times I've read the bible doesn't matter

The more I read it the more I realize how terribly flawed it is.
The more I see what a man made institution it really is. I've been reading that bible since I was 9. Anything that would suggest the way to God/ Goddess is to look within and not outward, has been hacked and edited out.
Looking for deity outside one s self , gives you religion man made doctrine and dogma to control their flocks, and convincing them that they need a preacher priest, middle man.



[Edited 3/11/2016 10:38:08 AM ]

3/11/2016 10:37:43 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

nonstandard
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Quote from wayn49:
i read it two times before but that does not mean i know everything because there is still a lot to learn


You don't need a book to describe your surroundings . These are the people that write them .

3/11/2016 11:21:56 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

nonstandard
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We make the bed we lay in , its no big secret , or authority . Its pure common knowledge , no more , no less .

As creatures that have the privilege of free will , you can suck it up , or spit it out .

3/11/2016 11:33:10 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

wayn49
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Quote from rufftreasure:
You wouldn't believe me if I told you how many times I've read the bible doesn't matter

The more I read it the more I realize how terribly flawed it is.
The more I see what a man made institution it really is. I've been reading that bible since I was 9. Anything that would suggest the way to God/ Goddess is to look within and not outward, has been hacked and edited out.
Looking for deity outside one s self , gives you religion man made doctrine and dogma to control their flocks, and convincing them that they need a preacher priest, middle man.



i believe the Bible is Holy and was written by man who shared there life experience and there encounter with God. they are real stories and how God moved to save the human race. remember it was not God who caused sin. and yes man is flawed.

the reason why there are preachers, is to bring people to Christ. yes there are many now days that are all about money and it has become corrupt. going to church is not about being brainwashed into what the preacher has to say or others, but to fellowship and encourage one another in prayer. God gives everyone a choice and its the Holy Spirit that changes lives not a preacher or another person

what really inspires me, is prophecy in Daniel and revelation. i have studied it and history and it amazes me how true it is

Jesus is coming back

3/11/2016 11:46:35 AM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

ludlowlowell
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Wayn, I believe in the Bible also, but how do you reconcile all the real and apparent contradictions in it? Catholics reconcile this by recognizing that not everything in it is to be taken literally, and that the teaching authority of tge Church is the sole interpreter of the Bible, but how do you do it?

3/11/2016 12:03:08 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

kb2222
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Quote from wayn49:
i believe the Bible is Holy and was written by man who shared there life experience and there encounter with God. they are real stories and how God moved to save the human race. remember it was not God who caused sin. and yes man is flawed.

the reason why there are preachers, is to bring people to Christ. yes there are many now days that are all about money and it has become corrupt. going to church is not about being brainwashed into what the preacher has to say or others, but to fellowship and encourage one another in prayer. God gives everyone a choice and its the Holy Spirit that changes lives not a preacher or another person

what really inspires me, is prophecy in Daniel and revelation. i have studied it and history and it amazes me how true it is

Jesus is coming back

That's right, wayn49 & Ludlow,

God gives everyone a choice and its the Holy Spirit that changes lives not a preacher or another person.

And it is utterly deplorable and inexcusable that in this day and time you professed Christians still reject the divine loving and caring nature of God that Jesus revealed and believe and teach like the murderous OT Levitical Priests.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

If you "Christians" truly believe killing people for those reasons is righteous and justified and you actually believe God/Jesus would and did order man to kill his sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors, for all those absurd reasons for killing people you are sadly to say no more a Christian follower of Jesus than were the Pharisees.

3/11/2016 12:47:40 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

rufftreasure
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Quote from wayn49:
i believe the Bible is Holy and was written by man who shared there life experience and there encounter with God. they are real stories and how God moved to save the human race. remember it was not God who caused sin. and yes man is flawed.

the reason why there are preachers, is to bring people to Christ. yes there are many now days that are all about money and it has become corrupt. going to church is not about being brainwashed into what the preacher has to say or others, but to fellowship and encourage one another in prayer. God gives everyone a choice and its the Holy Spirit that changes lives not a preacher or another person

what really inspires me, is prophecy in Daniel and revelation. i have studied it and history and it amazes me how true it is

Jesus is coming back


This article is called, How To Find Spirituality In The Age Of Distraction.

By Michael Mamas



Well, there again, that's only a conclusion you've been lead to believe, by believing man, rather than looking inward. If folks looked inward for divinity they wouldn't have to be lead the problem is that the church might lead folks to the church, but then they bastardized anything Jesus said to fit the agendas of men and their institution. From that point there is nothing to lead one beyond that to ascension. Nothing to encourage growth and thinking for one's self.
Go above, way above the confines of what you have been programmed to think.

Walking the spiritual path has been likened to traversing a razor's edge, a narrow path with dangerous drops on either side. Falling off the edge comes down to one thing: distraction. The modern world is rife with distractions. Understanding how they can seduce you is the first step to keeping your balance on the spiritual path.

From social media feeds to packed social calendars, the amount of stimuli entering our lives often overwhelms the inner sense of self in today's world. Those in spiritual pursuits speak of epiphanies, breakthroughs, and emotional fervor as though more stimuli promotes spiritual growth. Consider that the opposite is actually true.

The spiritual path, in ancient times, was referred to as the path of discernment. Discernment is introspection done with the heart as well as the mind. Discernment results in the integration of thoughts and emotions with what lies within your deepest Self. Logic is certainly important, but a person can justify anything with the intellect.

Ultimately, thoughts matter little. How you feel about those thoughts makes all the difference. Yet you must feel deep within yourself, to a place beyond bias, indoctrination, social programming, and childhood hurts. Discernment is an art developed over time. But to remain committed to the process is to traverse the razor's edge. Distraction is the greatest obstacle on this journey. Just don't get distracted.

With such an excessive amount of external input, the inner sense of self is numbed. To feel something, the stimulation must become stronger and stronger. Even spirituality becomes steeped in rhetoric, vying for your attention by overwhelming your emotions. Thrills, movies, concerts, and sporting events get ever more overpowering in an attempt to impact your overloaded world. Music gets louder and cruder in its attempts to jar the physiology more intensely. Even the overwhelming impact of drugs can seem desirable in this context.

Let's take a look at what happens when we turn away from these stimuli and center our attention inward. As one goes within, things become more silent, more subtle, more wise, and more sublime. True spirituality ultimately leads to an inner place beyond thoughts and emotions. Just as the roots feed the entire life of a tree, the silent depth of your being feeds and nourishes life with clearer thinking and more refined emotions. The source of true spirituality resides in this quiet depth. Yet it is so silent, so deep, and often so covered by outside distractions that it remains beyond direct experience. So many people long for communion with the depth of their soul, but so few are capable of overcoming their addiction to the distractions that overtake their hearts and minds, consuming their lives. This is the paradox of modern spirituality.

Through discernment, your thoughts and emotions become more and more fully rooted and integrated with the depth of your being, the Self. Without discernment, your life becomes like a kite without a tail, spinning in the wind. You can't be stable within yourself if distractions relentlessly spin the kite of your life. The stability of the tail--which is the Self--allows the kite of your life to soar ever higher.

So how do you cultivate discernment? How do you walk the razor's edge? How do you overcome programming and over-identification with the surface of life? How do you integrate the depth of your being with the surface? Reflecting, pondering, questioning, and seeking out wise people are all very good tools. Yet the most powerful tool for cultivating discernment is proper meditation. Through such meditation you rest into the depth of your being, the source of your inner wisdom. Be mindful about what meditation you practice, though. Many meditations are unnatural--whether they are emotionally indulging, controlling, programming, or even hypnotizing. In contrast, I have found the Surya Ram Meditation, an ancient technique from the Himalayas, to be the most natural and effective practice.

To those addicted to powerful stimulation, sitting down to meditate can sound painfully boring. However, to experience its quiet power is to appreciate it. It is not a quick fix--one meditation cannot be expected to break your addictions and solve all your problems. However, it is a practice that gives a direct experience of the depth of your being. Not just a mood, notion, or attitude, but something much deeper. Without that experience, you cannot know what direction to go. After experiencing the depth of your being, you will find that you have naturally moved along the razor's edge, thereby giving your life direction. Just as two points determine a line, that movement points in a direction. You then have an idea--a sense, a feeling--of what lies beyond the horizon.



[Edited 3/11/2016 12:50:10 PM ]

3/11/2016 1:06:16 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

kb2222
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rufftreasure, you really should give credit to your copy/paste post to the author: Michael Mamas

3/11/2016 1:31:46 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from kb2222:
rufftreasure, you really should give credit to your copy/paste post to the author: Michael Mamas

I think she did, didn't she? Right at the top it says:

This article is called, How To Find Spirituality In The Age Of Distraction.

By Michael Mamas

3/11/2016 1:41:54 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

rufftreasure
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Quote from followjesusonly:
I think she did, didn't she? Right at the top it says:

This article is called, How To Find Spirituality In The Age Of Distraction.

By Michael Mamas


Thanks for pointing that out to Mr.KB, FJO.

Although that statement is pretty damn hypocritical, for someone who has me in the iggy bin!!!!

Also hypocritical on the basis that he appears to do a damn good job of copying and pasting.

I rarely copy and paste, when I do I make to give credit where credit is due.
We know KB is capable of reams and reams of copy and paste regarding his book and his beliefs.

3/11/2016 1:43:53 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

rufftreasure
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Wayn, I believe in the Bible also, but how do you reconcile all the real and apparent contradictions in it? Catholics reconcile this by recognizing that not everything in it is to be taken literally, and that the teaching authority of tge Church is the sole interpreter of the Bible, but how do you do it?


Why do you think, Lud, that the church deems themselves the soul interpreter of this half baked , hacked and edited document??

3/11/2016 1:55:13 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

followjesusonly
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Quote from rufftreasure:
Why do you think, Lud, that the church deems themselves the soul interpreter of this half baked , hacked and edited document??


Catholics declare that they are infallible. They declare that they are the "sole interpreters" of scripture, contrary to what Jesus said they declare that salvation is only available through them, they declare, contrary to what Jesus said, they can call their priests, "Father," they declare that contrary to the bible they can have statues and idols and pray to them and they declare that contrary to the bible, the worship day will be Sunday instead of the Sabbath.

The Catholic church is an abomination of pride and the bible has nothing good to say about pride.

3/11/2016 1:58:07 PM Why can't some people accept the authority of the Pope?  

kb2222
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Quote from followjesusonly:
I think she did, didn't she? Right at the top it says:

This article is called, How To Find Spirituality In The Age Of Distraction.

By Michael Mamas

Gees, I do apologize. Obviously, I didn't see it or I wouldn't have commented as I did. Actually, I think I was so engaged in reading the article that I must have forgot she referenced it. No big deal. I apologize for the mistake.