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3/28/2016 8:57:26 PM Brokered Convention Question  

sureshot40
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In a brokered convention where no one has the needed 1237 delegates. Should the nominee be the one with the most delegates and votes by the people? Should the nominee be the one that can broker a deal with the RNC? Or something different?




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3/29/2016 9:05:41 AM Brokered Convention Question  

clarity101
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i wish i understood it all better.

but i would absolutely prefer that a candidate wins by majority vote PERIOD.

3/29/2016 9:48:15 AM Brokered Convention Question  

tileman1814
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Unfortunately the GOP establishment will nominate who ever THEY want.If this thing ends up in a brokered convention you can bet the nominee will be neither Trump or Cruz.I'd expect Mitt,Jeb or Ryan all GOP elites.

Semper Fi !!!

3/29/2016 10:17:32 AM Brokered Convention Question  

tileman1814
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Here is a basic run down.

Semper Fi !!!

As threats of a contested or brokered Republican National Convention loom, a longtime member of the party’s rules committee observed, “Something important is going on.”

That “something,” according to Virginia Republican National Committeeman Morton Blackwell, is what he referred to as the unprecedented and unpredictable defeat of establishment Republican candidates by more conservative or so-called “outsider” contestants in the 2016 presidential race thus far — Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and businessman Donald Trump.

Yet despite their success over establishment candidates in the Republican primary, there is a brewing possibility of a contested or brokered convention that is becoming more frequently discussed in party and media circles as both candidates could head into the Cleveland convention this summer shy of the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the nomination.

Contrary to an abundance of misuse by pundits and media outlets, a “contested” convention is not perfectly synonymous with a “brokered” convention. If the candidates head into this summer’s convention without one of them having secured a majority of delegates, the convention is considered “contested.”

If no candidate has reached the magic number after the first round of voting, then it becomes a “brokered” convention, and delegates continue to vote until a candidate hits that majority of delegates. And as a brokered convention commences, most delegates are unbound and free to vote for anyone — including someone not running for president.

In an interview with TheBlaze, Blackwell, who also serves as president of the conservative Leadership Institute, noted that a rule added to the 2012 GOP convention in Tampa stipulated that besides reaching the delegate threshold, a candidate also needs to garner support of the majority of delegates in eight or more states — a feat that Blackwell speculated might be accomplished by only Cruz or Trump.

“The establishment understands that,” he said. “It has come to them belatedly, and now that the only two candidates for whom votes can be counted appear to be Trump or Cruz, they are in a panic.”

As Blackwell argued that the irony of the establishment’s panic over a contested convention without any of their chosen candidates shouldn’t be ignored since the Rule 40 (B) bylaw, which instituted eight-state requirement, was pushed as a way to ensure the nomination of establishment favorite Mitt Romney against a possible incursion by libertarian-leaning Ron Paul.

Blackwell argued that any consideration by the GOP now to change the rule for the upcoming convention would be unfair to the Cruz and Trump campaigns, saying that since the party “wrote the rules, now they’ve got to live with them.”

“They have the power to make changes at the RNC level and at the standing committee on rules level, but you can imagine how the Cruz campaign and the Trump campaign are going to react to that,” Blackwell said. “It’s an unfair changing of the rules in the middle of the game. People are trying to steal the convention and permit an establishment candidate to be the nominee who couldn’t be nominated under the rules that the establishment imposed on them.”

“You can imagine the permutations of that argument said at a considerably higher decibel level,” he added. “It would be awful. I think it would be a very bad idea to propose changes, except by consensus, to the rules of the nomination process at the convention.”

For his part, Blackwell did suggest changing the controversial rule at the RNC’s January meeting in Charleston, South Carolina — a failed attempt that he detailed extensively in a piece for RedState earlier this month. Blackwell said he attempted to “correct this outrageous, unfair, and counterproductive 2012 Romney power grab” and came close to doing so.

But as Blackwell told TheBlaze, “The same acts can be perfectly appropriate at one time and grossly inappropriate at another.”

As reported by Breitbart, a right-leaning site known for its pro-Trump coverage, political consultant Roger Stone predicted that the RNC will indeed attempt to change the rules at the convention — even if Trump walked into the Cleveland convention with at least 1,237 delegates.

“In a number of states, the Republican chairman is essentially placing non-Trump people into Trump delegate slots,” Stone alleged. “Under the party rules, anyone can register to be a delegate. You don’t have to really be ‘a Trump supporter.’ While those delegates would be bound by the results of primaries or caucuses to vote for Trump on the first ballot, they are not bound on procedural matters like the rules.”

RNC Chairman Reince Priebus defended the party and its convention rules in an interview with CNN last week during which he attributed a “perception of a problem” with the rules committee to people who do not “explain the process properly.”

“So the 2012 rules committee writes the rules for the 2012 convention. The 2016 rules committee writes the rules for the 2016 convention,” he said. “Are you trying to say that the rules committee made up of Romney delegates should enforce the rules for the 2016 convention which is largely made up of Trump, Cruz delegates? That wouldn’t make any sense, would it?”

Yet, the irony of the establishment’s panic isn’t noted by only Blackwell. The libertarian Paul, who was supposedly directly affected by the added convention rule in 2012, said the GOP “deserves” its recent headache.

“I think it’s a bit of an irony, and they deserve the problem,” Paul told CNN in an interview this month. “They’re terrified of competition, and now the establishment has competition that really looks strong, and there’s a lot of people behind Trump.”

Paul added, “So this is a big problem for them.”

Blackwell contended that there “are now only two ways to amend the rules of the Cleveland convention in the presidential nomination process — by a consensus among all major players or by a ferocious rules fight that could split the party.”

“I don’t think it’s likely we’ll see a consensus among all the major players, and I certainly don’t want there to be, on this matter particularly, a ferocious rules fight that would split the party,” Blackwell said.

As of Monday, Trump leads the GOP candidates with 739 delegates, followed by Cruz with 465 and Ohio Gov. John Kasich with 143.

3/29/2016 12:40:04 PM Brokered Convention Question  

sureshot40
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Quote from tileman1814:
Unfortunately the GOP establishment will nominate who ever THEY want.If this thing ends up in a brokered convention you can bet the nominee will be neither Trump or Cruz.I'd expect Mitt,Jeb or Ryan all GOP elites.

Semper Fi !!!


If that happens I will be ready to burn the GOP down.

3/29/2016 1:23:18 PM Brokered Convention Question  

tileman1814
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Quote from sureshot40:
If that happens I will be ready to burn the GOP down.


Trust me on this one.If either Trump or Cruz wins the majority of the needed delegates then we are good to go if not we can kiss the GOP good bye.

Semper Fi !!!

3/29/2016 1:28:35 PM Brokered Convention Question  

clarity101
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i listened to an explanation of a 'brokered convention' earlier today. i think i get it.

if not one candidate has a majority of delegates (51% or more) there will be a brokered
convention.

now you see why kasich wont drop out....

he is there to guarantee noone receives a majority...

a well trained establishment puppet

3/29/2016 1:42:20 PM Brokered Convention Question  

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It is my understanding that Cruz has no chance. The Rino's are only using him at this point & time to dump Trump and then they plan to put in who they want.

3/29/2016 2:11:45 PM Brokered Convention Question  

clarity101
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i agree star. and its guaranteed with kasich in the midst.....

3/29/2016 2:17:21 PM Brokered Convention Question  

sureshot40
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Kasich the spoiler, has been promised something by the establishment.

3/29/2016 2:33:15 PM Brokered Convention Question  

clarity101
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no doubt sureshot! cruz too ill bet!

3/29/2016 4:58:34 PM Brokered Convention Question  

clarity101
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Dear John Kasich: You, Sir, Are an Insufferable Fraud…
Steven Crowder
·

An open letter to a giant phony...



"Dear John ‘Nice Guy’ Kasich,
You are one giant, dishonest, poorly coiffed, insufferably smug phony. You unabashedly fancy yourself as the “friendly guy”. The “reasonable guy. The likeable bloke. Or perhaps you prefer being called “The Prince of Light and Hope” as you so humbly referred to yourself. Several times. On record. May I remind you that you did so unironically, while also naming your competition “Disciples of Darkness.” Sure, you give out free hugs. But behind that self-satisfied, tight-lipped smile of yours…? You’re a pompous a** who cares more about your own faulty ideals than the will of the people. Also, fire your barber. The “baby bird hatchling” look is flattering to precisely zero percent of population earth. Yourself included.

Here’s the thing, Johnykins, you know the adage the “elephant in the room”? It’s you. You’re the giant, trifling elephant in the room. Allow me to explain. Nobody is faulting you for giving the presidency the old college try. We get it. Most powerful job in the world? Sounds pretty swell for the son of a mailman. Yeah, I’m bringing that up before you have the chance. It’s not that you ran, it’s not that you’re wrong about so many of the issues, it’s not even that you’re a monstrosity of an a** sometimes. Heck, it’s not even your baby-chick hair. It’s that you’re still in the race. You are vying for a brokered convention. Which would, conveniently for you, totally undermine the voters’ decisions. And that’s your only chance. But hey, who needs us voters?

See, for someone who claims to care about the people so much, you certainly don’t seem to care about what they want. The people have decided, John. They don’t want you. You have won just one state – your home state. Which was more than Rubio could do, sure, but there’s no mathematical possibility of you winning the race. Legitimately. The tribe has spoken, it’s time to turn in your torch. The island has tossed you. No more confetti.

Yet here you are (watch Ted Cruz: ‘There’s no good reason for Kasich to stay in the race’). And the douche-cherry on top? You keep saying, “I’m not going to take the low road to the highest office in the land.” You declare this whilst fully recognizing the only way for you to secure the presidential spot is by systematically screwing the American voters.

You’re a selfish ninnymuggin. Not in the healthy way, mind you, because it’s okay to be a little selfish here and there. Like if you ever decided to splurge on a new hair cut. Treat yourself. No, your greed is seeping out. It’s oozing out of every orifice. It’s spilling onto the country. That’s going to leave a stain. The worst part is that you’re willing to drown the people with it. And for what? Well, so you can call yourself king of mailman mountain. Alas, you continue to maintain the illusion you’re just a nice guy who had a mailman for a dad. After all, you imply, anyone who had a mailman for a dad must be a down-to-earth, all around amicable fellow. We’ll not make obvious references to postal workers losing their crap. Well… not after that one.

Except “he’s just a swell guy” is not what your colleagues have to say about you. John McCain said “he has a hair-trigger temper.” Even your buddy Newt Gingrich muses that you bulldoze your way through others.

“I talked to him a lot about unlocking people rather than running them over,” Mr. Gingrich recalled, adding of his counsel, “I think some of that actually stuck.”

Nice guys don’t feel the need to threaten lobbyists.

[W]e need you on the bus, and if you’re not on the bus, we will run you over with the bus. And I’m not kidding.

…Or be demeaning to police officers.

“Have you ever been stopped by a police officer that’s an idiot,” Kasich asked the seated audience… “I had this idiot pull me over on 315. Listen to this story. He says to me, he says, uh, he says you passed this emergency vehicle on the side of the road and you didn’t yield. He goes back to the car, comes back, gives me a ticket and says you must report to court…” Then Kasich stills himself and bellows, “He’s an idiot!”

Ferris Bueller Asshole GIF

You are the idiot, John. Those emergency vehicles are typically on the way to SAVE PEOPLE, you jackass. Perhaps you were confusing the siren of an ambulance with an ice cream truck. For future reference, those sounds are not “Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star.” They’re sirens. Pull over. Dumbass.

You have no business being in the race. You’re akin to the weird dad who inserts himself into his teenage daughter’s conversation with her friends. To talk about kissing boys. With braces. And you offer the advice. Your presence is like your wispy hairstyle. Unwanted.

JohnKasichPartyGuest

John-John, if you keep going with this limp-wristed race, you deserve to be the butt of all the jokes to come in your lifetime. Be real here, man, we’ve been kind to you. Dad jokes included. Even the one about going postal. It was a cheap shot, sure, but an easy one. It had to be done, and I’ll make no apologies for it.

There you are, claiming to be the anti-Trump candidate, citing the Bible as a means to justify the likes of Medicaid (read Dear Liberal ‘Christians’: No, it’s Not ‘Christian’ for the Government to Redistribute My Money). Which is ironic, not because you both have bad hair, but because you’re splitting the anti-Trump vote. Maybe no one told you. More likely? You don’t care.

IDontCare

I don’t know if you’re conniving or just plain moronic. Perhaps several layers of both. You claim the moral high ground by chastising your competitors for arguing with each other. Yet it’s you who’s sounding off with “screw you, America” with this presidential run. You’re the one who desires to sidestep the systems of checks and balances and the entire history of our electoral process. Also, you look like a baby seagull caught in the BP oil spill. Only soap doesn’t cure you.

Sure, people can change. But you aren’t changing, and you aren’t being transparent about your intentions. If you want to screw the American people, fine. At least say so. Buy us some dinner first, at least. Don’t do it under the ruse of claiming to be “the Uniter.” Though if you look at the polls, in the most divided Republican primary in modern history, people unilaterally agree that you’re a douche of disproportionate magnitude.

Republicans nation-wide and formed a line to vote you off the island. Trump supporters, Cruz supporters, we all despise you. So thank you, John Kasich. In an ironic twist of fate, you have fulfilled your destiny as the great “Uniter.”

With your douchiness.

Even worse..."



Read more: http://louderwithcrowder.com/dear-john-kasich-you-sir-are-a-fraud/#ixzz44KaFlpFN

4/26/2016 9:37:50 AM Brokered Convention Question  

clarity101
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