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5/20/2016 8:54:23 PM Jesus Ascended , Yet Still Is With In Us  

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There is one God, we know this from :

Deuteronomy 6:4Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

4 `Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God [is] one Jehovah;

And we know that the Father is God:

Galatians 1 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead --

And we know that Jesus was with God,and is God, from the beginning, from this :


John 1:1-18Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
2 this one was in the beginning with God;
3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men,
5 and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
6 There came a man -- having been sent from God -- whose name [is] John,
7 this one came for testimony, that he might testify about the Light, that all might believe through him;
8 that one was not the Light, but -- that he might testify about the Light.
9 He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world;
10 in the world he was, and the world through him was made, and the world did not know him:
11 to his own things he came, and his own people did not receive him;
12 but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God -- to those believing in his name,
13 who -- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but -- of God were begotten.
14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.
15 John doth testify concerning him, and hath cried, saying, `This was he of whom I said, He who after me is coming, hath come before me, for he was before me;'
16 and out of his fulness did we all receive, and grace over-against grace;
17 for the law through Moses was given, the grace and the truth through Jesus Christ did come;
18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

And we also know, the Holy Spirit is God"

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

19 Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own,
20 for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

So, we have one God, but 3 are described, God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit.

How does this work? Jesus explains it to us here :

John 14:17Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

And again here we learn that Jesus and the Father, are one:

John 10:38 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

38 and if I do, even if me ye may not believe, the works believe, that ye may know and may believe that in me [is] the Father, and I in Him.'


John 17:11 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

11 and no more am I in the world, and these are in the world, and I come unto Thee. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, whom Thou hast given to me, that they may be one as we;

So, how can there be a separation between God, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit?

There is not, if there is then one has to deny that there is only one God, or that Jesus and the father were not one or that the Holy Spirit does not come from God.In other words, you either have to ignore scripture or claim these verses are lies.

Now, yes, Jesus left us in his physical body and ascended. Acts 1:6-11 describes this.

But does this mean, he left us as orphans? I have this poster here who has me blocked, and he keeps quoting me when I say, he never left us and so claims I deny he ascended. But he ignores that when I say this, I usually specify his state, physical or spiritual.

The real disagreement between us, is I acknowledge the divinity of Jesus Christ, and he does not.

So, did Jesus ever leave us? Yes, his body ascended, but that does not mean he "left " us. For he comes to us in spirit.

Lets visit John 14:17-18 again :

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
18 `I will not leave you bereaved, I come unto you;

And if that is not clear enough?

John 14:20Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

20 in that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you;

Thank God for this, that we were not left as orphans:

And thank God for the Cross, that allows us access to the father with out temples and priests and sacrifices, that the vail that separated us from God was rent.

And thank God, that even though Jesus ascended in his physical body, he is still with us and in us, and we can pray to him where we are.

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5/20/2016 9:25:06 PM Jesus Ascended , Yet Still Is With In Us  

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One God, three Persons, absolutely.

5/21/2016 10:40:59 AM Jesus Ascended , Yet Still Is With In Us  
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Quote from isna_la_wica:
There is one God, we know this from :

Deuteronomy 6:4Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

4 `Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God [is] one Jehovah;

And we know that the Father is God:

Galatians 1 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Paul, an apostle -- not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who did raise him out of the dead --

And we know that Jesus was with God,and is God, from the beginning, from this :


John 1:1-18Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;
2 this one was in the beginning with God;
3 all things through him did happen, and without him happened not even one thing that hath happened.
4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men,
5 and the light in the darkness did shine, and the darkness did not perceive it.
6 There came a man -- having been sent from God -- whose name [is] John,
7 this one came for testimony, that he might testify about the Light, that all might believe through him;
8 that one was not the Light, but -- that he might testify about the Light.
9 He was the true Light, which doth enlighten every man, coming to the world;
10 in the world he was, and the world through him was made, and the world did not know him:
11 to his own things he came, and his own people did not receive him;
12 but as many as did receive him to them he gave authority to become sons of God -- to those believing in his name,
13 who -- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but -- of God were begotten.
14 And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of an only begotten of a father, full of grace and truth.
15 John doth testify concerning him, and hath cried, saying, `This was he of whom I said, He who after me is coming, hath come before me, for he was before me;'
16 and out of his fulness did we all receive, and grace over-against grace;
17 for the law through Moses was given, the grace and the truth through Jesus Christ did come;
18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

And we also know, the Holy Spirit is God"

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

19 Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own,
20 for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

So, we have one God, but 3 are described, God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit.

How does this work? Jesus explains it to us here :

John 14:17Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

And again here we learn that Jesus and the Father, are one:

John 10:38 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

38 and if I do, even if me ye may not believe, the works believe, that ye may know and may believe that in me [is] the Father, and I in Him.'


John 17:11 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

11 and no more am I in the world, and these are in the world, and I come unto Thee. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, whom Thou hast given to me, that they may be one as we;

So, how can there be a separation between God, and Jesus, and the Holy Spirit?

There is not, if there is then one has to deny that there is only one God, or that Jesus and the father were not one or that the Holy Spirit does not come from God.In other words, you either have to ignore scripture or claim these verses are lies.

Now, yes, Jesus left us in his physical body and ascended. Acts 1:6-11 describes this.

But does this mean, he left us as orphans? I have this poster here who has me blocked, and he keeps quoting me when I say, he never left us and so claims I deny he ascended. But he ignores that when I say this, I usually specify his state, physical or spiritual.

The real disagreement between us, is I acknowledge the divinity of Jesus Christ, and he does not.

So, did Jesus ever leave us? Yes, his body ascended, but that does not mean he "left " us. For he comes to us in spirit.

Lets visit John 14:17-18 again :

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.
18 `I will not leave you bereaved, I come unto you;

And if that is not clear enough?

John 14:20Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

20 in that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you;

Thank God for this, that we were not left as orphans:

And thank God for the Cross, that allows us access to the father with out temples and priests and sacrifices, that the vail that separated us from God was rent.

And thank God, that even though Jesus ascended in his physical body, he is still with us and in us, and we can pray to him where we are.


5/21/2016 6:29:13 PM Jesus Ascended , Yet Still Is With In Us  

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Matthew 28:18-20Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

18 And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, `Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth;
19 having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days -- till the full end of the age.'

If you read the above passage, you will see that in verse 19, it says: "baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,"

Now, does this mean "three in one"? Is it possible that Father and the Holy Spirit are not the same?

Jesus him self said this, and confirms the Father is Holy, in John 17: 11

John 17:11 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

11 and no more am I in the world, and these are in the world, and I come unto Thee. Holy Father, keep them in Thy name, whom Thou hast given to me, that they may be one as we;

And we know that the Father is "spirit", from John 4:24:

John 4:24 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

24 God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.'

And so you have it, Holy Spirit is what the Father is.

For clarification, lets look at who fathered Jesus. A lot of the anti Trinity force in Christianity such as the JW`s and AE Knoch, teach and taught, that Jesus gave up his divinity when he became born as a man.

It reminds us of Mathew chapter 16, when Jesus asked, who do people say that I am?

Well did Jesus give up his side that was God, when he was born?

Now, we know who fathered him, as we read here:

Matthew 1:18 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

18 And of Jesus Christ, the birth was thus: For his mother Mary having been betrothed to Joseph, before their coming together she was found to have conceived from the Holy Spirit,

And Luke 1:35 is even more clear on this issue and ties the conception of Jesus not only to the Holy Spirit, but also God the Father:

Luke 1:35 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

35 And the messenger answering said to her, `The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy-begotten thing shall be called Son of God;

So it is very clear, that the Father of Jesus was God, who is also the Holy Spirit. No, the term "Father" is not used as a generic term for all fathers or Dads. It is very specific, and very clear, that Father stands God. Not Bob the builder.

So, we know that Jesus was the "son of God", and as such and is of his Father( God).

We read in scripture that Jesus became God in the flesh :

Colossians 2:9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

9 because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,

And also, the following verse that the Holy Spirit, who comes in the name of Jesus, sent by God and part of God, that he will never leave us.

John 14:26 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

26 and the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and remind you of all things that I said to you.

And again, verses that show that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the same:

John 16:14-15 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

14 He will glorify me, because of mine He will take, and will tell to you.
15 `All things, as many as the Father hath, are mine; because of this I said, That of mine He will take, and will tell to you;

To sum up?

1 John 5:6-8 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

6 This one is he who did come through water and blood -- Jesus the Christ, not in the water only, but in the water and the blood; and the Spirit it is that is testifying, because the Spirit is the truth,
7 because three are who are testifying [in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;
8 and three are who are testifying in the earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one.

6/22/2016 6:26:49 AM Jesus Ascended , Yet Still Is With In Us  
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