Spirituality vs religion

9/6/2016 8:52:40 PM	Spirituality vs religion
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	I feel it's fair to say that spirituality is the umbrella under which all religions fall. In another thread the question is asked "What is the true religion?" I have not been convinced by any one religion, but looking at the subject of God from the spiritual perspective I have been convinced of a few things. First. I am a spiritual being also known as a living soul. The word spirit means energy or enthusiasm. The origin of enthusiasm is the Greek enthous which means possessed or inspired by God. Literally. it means "God within". Look it up. Second, there is no God separate from everything else. God, in all aspects is within. There is no separate supernatural entity known as "God". That idea comes from religion and should be recognized as a misapprehension or even a misunderstanding. Third, God, being within all things is creation itself and not "creator". This will be very hard for some religious people to accept. It's strange to me however because you would think that an all pervasive God would be acceptable to most religious people, but too many were raised to understand the creator God of religion. You know......."HIM". To continue I'd add that I accept the term "soul" just as readily as I accept the term "human". The idea that we have a soul is not as true to me as the idea that I am a soul. There is a big difference between having something and being something. To me, soul is comprised of spirit, mind, and body. Earlier I said I am a spiritual being also known as a living soul. This is how I understand myself. I am a living soul comprised of spirit (God within), mind, and body. 3 in one. Perhaps the term "created in his image is much deeper than superficial looks. You know what I mean? With all this being said, I often get frustrated that religion still has such a strong hold over many minds and hearts. We keep God limited to our beliefs and tucked away from a deeper and more intuitive understanding available to us. What do you think about all of what I said? Please offer any criticisms. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
9/7/2016 6:45:42 PM	Spirituality vs religion
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 59, joined May. 2011	I associate the concept of spirituality with the attitude of people or animals who possess empathetic qualities towards other conscious creatures, or towards the planet in general. Under this asociation, some dogs I know seem quite spiritual. The term "spiritual" is woolly and indistinct though and may be used to denote the religionist trait of believing in a supernatural realm or the fanciful creatures that populate it, like the so-called Holy Spirit. Each to his own..
9/7/2016 9:25:15 PM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	"Oh, I'm spiritual, not religious." That's usually code for, "oh, I want some kind of spirituality, but I don't want a moral code." [Edited 9/7/2016 9:25:43 PM ]
9/7/2016 11:06:39 PM	Spirituality vs religion
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Oh, I'm spiritual, not religious." That's usually code for, "oh, I want some kind of spirituality, but I don't want a moral code." That's not how I see it. I see God as spirit. Spirit is everywhere and I could just as well use the term energy. Morality certainly does not come from religion in my view. I would say one of the differences between religion and spirituality is that religious people follow a prophet whereas spiritual people follow the message.
9/8/2016 9:15:57 AM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	In the case of Jesus Christ, the Prophet cannot be separated from His message.
9/8/2016 9:38:12 AM	Spirituality vs religion
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 70, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Oh, I'm spiritual, not religious." That's usually code for, "oh, I want some kind of spirituality, but I don't want a moral code." *And just what is the moral code as demonstrated by the catholic church?* child molesting priests and hiding them to avoid embarrassment genocides of jews, gypsies and the mentally impaired not to mention countless natives Yeah that's some morality
9/8/2016 6:25:40 PM	Spirituality vs religion
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: In the case of Jesus Christ, the Prophet cannot be separated from His message. That's something to tell Christian churches because they spend way too much time praising and singing and talking about how great Jesus is, but very little time actually trying to follow the message.
9/8/2016 8:29:55 PM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from fyathyrio: That's something to tell Christian churches because they spend way too much time praising and singing and talking about how great Jesus is, but very little time actually trying to follow the message. I think Protestant denominations do that, yes, especially the Fundamentalist Protestants. [Edited 9/8/2016 8:30:40 PM ]
9/8/2016 9:33:39 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	[]Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]In the case of Jesus Christ, the Prophet cannot be separated from His message.[/] ========================================================================= Only Muslims call Jesus a Prophet.
9/9/2016 12:13:45 AM	Spirituality vs religion
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Oh, I'm spiritual, not religious." That's usually code for, "oh, I want some kind of spirituality, but I don't want a moral code." And that is Pharisee code for, " I am so righteous" and better than these.
9/9/2016 2:56:53 AM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	[]Quote from isna_la_wica:[/][]And that is Pharisee code for, " I am so righteous" and better than these.[/] ================================================== Exactly right. Good call.
9/9/2016 2:59:28 AM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from fyathyrio: That's something to tell Christian churches because they spend way too much time praising and singing and talking about how great Jesus is, but very little time actually trying to follow the message. ================================================================== []Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]I think Protestant denominations do that, yes, especially the Fundamentalist Protestants.[/] ================================================================== And catholics, such as yourself, spend way too much time praising and singing and praying to Mary and talking about how great Mary is, but very little time obeying God.
9/9/2016 9:25:00 AM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from followjesusonly: []Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]In the case of Jesus Christ, the Prophet cannot be separated from His message.[/] ========================================================================= Only Muslims call Jesus a Prophet. I have heard, in the Catholic Church, of Jesus being referred to as the Divine Prophet. He did prophesy about a few things, some of which, like the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 a.d., have come true already.
9/9/2016 10:34:06 AM	Spirituality vs religion
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	I was thinking of the word "Psychic" and one of its definitions....of or relating to the soul or the mind. Since we are souls and all have a mind it's fair to say we may have what can be called "psychic" experiences. I find that many of the religious minded regard psychic experiences and other phenomena such as meditation, yoga, ufos, and even dream interpretation as being from the devil. I don't know it just seems strange to me that otherwise smart adults believe the most unbelievable parts of religion. One being the idea that there is an actual devil. When are these folks gonna grow up?
9/9/2016 4:52:27 PM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Any supernatural event that leads to faith in Jesus Christ as God Incarnate, and leads us to good works and holiness of life, is from God. Any seeming supernatural event that leads away from any of the above is from one of the devils, no matter how beautiful and wonderful it seems at the time.
9/9/2016 6:10:57 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Any supernatural event that leads to faith in Jesus Christ as God Incarnate, and leads us to good works and holiness of life, is from God. Any seeming supernatural event that leads away from any of the above is from one of the devils, no matter how beautiful and wonderful it seems at the time. What sort of supernatural or "seeming supernatural" events are you blathering on about? Name them.
9/9/2016 6:25:38 PM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Martin Luther felt called to break away from the Catholic Church. That obviously was not a call from God. Sometimes people feel like God is inspiring them to vreak away from their spouses and marry other people. That obviously is not a call from God. Justice Blackmun may have felt called by God to vote for legalized abortion. That obviously was not a call from God. One from the Bible: Saul of Tarsus felt called by God to persecute the Christians. That obviously was not his true calling from God. Eventually God showed him his true calling. Those are some examples.
9/9/2016 9:36:45 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Martin Luther felt called to break away from the Catholic Church. That obviously was not a call from God. Obviously it WAS a call from God. No doubt God wanted to end the murderous, torturing, religious reign of terror and monopoly that your sect had held on the western world. Obviously, God used Martin Luther to end all that. Christianity has flourished since that time. It's like when the government broke up Ma Bell. Monopolies and dictatorships such as the catholic church wants to be are bad for everyone except the monopolists and the dictators. Are you going to answer my previous question? What sort of supernatural or "seeming supernatural" events are you blathering on about? Name them. And you shouldn't be giving marriage advice. You're not a priest. [Edited 9/9/2016 9:39:02 PM ]
9/9/2016 9:52:32 PM	Spirituality vs religion
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	The traditional thought of God obviously holds great sway with many folks. So much so that when a deeper and more meaningful understanding is presented it is not even discussed. Instead we devolve into another pointless discussion concerning the inaccuracies, lies, deceptions, and contradictions of religion. God when are you gonna give us deeper people??
9/9/2016 9:58:29 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from fyathyrio: The traditional thought of God obviously holds great sway with many folks. So much so that when a deeper and more meaningful understanding is presented it is not even discussed. Instead we devolve into another pointless discussion concerning the inaccuracies, lies, deceptions, and contradictions of religion. God when are you gonna give us deeper people?? And deeper religion. Give The Urantia Book a read, fyathyrio. Get this one, it's the best one and it's under $20 at Amazon.com for a 2000 page revelation from the celestials. Ludlow is afraid, but you're not, right?
9/10/2016 1:46:43 AM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from fyathyrio: The traditional thought of God obviously holds great sway with meany folks. So much so that when a deeper and more meaningful understanding is presented it is not even discussed. Instead we devolve into another pointless discussion concerning the inaccuracies, lies, deceptions, and contradictions of religion. God when are you gonna give us deeper people?? There is nothing deeper or more meaningful than Jesus Christ and Roman Catholicism.
9/10/2016 2:32:13 AM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	[]Quote from ludlowlowell:[/][]There is nothing deeper or more meaningful than Jesus Christ and Roman Catholicism.[/] ====================================================================== You're an ignorant man, Ludlow. An ignorant, parochial, small minded man. "There are more things in heaven and earth, [Ludlow], Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. -William Shakespeare"
9/10/2016 2:48:31 AM	Spirituality vs religion
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: There is nothing deeper or more meaningful than Jesus Christ and Roman Catholicism. Lud, do you mean to say nothing is more meaningful than the teachings of Jesus Christ? Do you follow Jesus the prophet or his teachings?
9/10/2016 3:32:06 AM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	I follow both His prophecies and His other teachings. Some of His prophecies have already come true---He prophesied that Jerusalem and the Tempe would be dedtroyed, and they were in a.d. 70.
9/10/2016 3:49:11 AM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: I follow both His prophecies and His other teachings. No you don't. You don't follow His teachings. You don't follow these. You refuse to follow these. You put the pope ahead of God. "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father which is in secret." (Matthew 6:6) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: Exo 20:4-5) Some of His prophecies have already come true---He prophesied that Jerusalem and the Tempe would be dedtroyed, and they were in a.d. 70. In the first place, that was not a "prophecy." Jesus is God. He knew it was going to happen. And in the second place, that's the only prediction in the entire bible that ever came true in my opinion, and as far as I know, except for saying He's coming again, he never made any other predictions. What other "some of His prophecies" are you talking about?
9/10/2016 4:08:58 AM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: There is nothing deeper or more meaningful than Jesus Christ and Roman Catholicism. Quote from fyathyrio: Lud, do you mean to say nothing is more meaningful than the teachings of Jesus Christ? Lud is a shill and a tool of the catholic church. It may be true that there is nothing more meaningful than the teachings of Jesus, but that has nothing to do with the catholic church as he has linked them above. According to Google, the catholic church re-crucifies Jesus 350,000 times every day in what they call the mass, and then, like primitive Pagan cannibals, they claim to eat his flesh and drink His blood. Jesus would have nothing to do with the catholic church as it is today and as it has been for almost 2000 years, a study in corruption and un-Godly, Satanic things. "Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it." -196:1.3 The Urantia Book
9/10/2016 5:11:04 AM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The guy who believes in a pantheon of 700,000 gods is worried about paganism!
9/10/2016 2:36:37 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: The guy who believes in a pantheon of 700,000 gods is worried about paganism! You lie. I don't believe in any "gods." Your catholic gallery of "saints" is clearly a simple modification of the Pagan Pantheon of gods. Stop praying to dead human beings. That's objective fact. If you stop praying to dead human beings, I guarantee you will grow closer to God. If you start obeying Jesus, I guarantee you will grow closer to God. If you stop bowing down before statues of Mary, I guarantee you will grow closer to God.
9/10/2016 2:53:43 PM	Spirituality vs religion
fyathyrio Savannah, GA 49, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from followjesusonly: You lie. I don't believe in any "gods." Your catholic gallery of "saints" is clearly a simple modification of the Pagan Pantheon of gods. Stop praying to dead human beings. That's objective fact. If you stop praying to dead human beings, I guarantee you will grow closer to God. If you start obeying Jesus, I guarantee you will grow closer to God. If you stop bowing down before statues of Mary, I guarantee you will grow closer to God. why does the conversation always return to "believing" in God as opposed to understanding the concept of God. Is it conditioning that makes us talk about God strictly in religious boundaries? It seems so much more rational to me to think of God in terms of what we can know and understand rather than what we believe.
9/10/2016 4:12:49 PM	Spirituality vs religion
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Physical is what we've got . Why reject what is right in front of our own eyes ? Its taught us everything we know , we recreate everything , from the knowledge it gives us . Manipulation is an animal instinct , it doesn't make us superior to the universe that spawned us . It makes us superior to other forms of life that struggle for the same reasons . The universe exploded from a dense rock where nothing moved . All of the sudden , there was empty spaces inside , and outside , everything that was once confined to a rigid solid mass , was set free . Everything confined , could act , and behave , in ways that it could only wish for when they were trapped , the rest is history .
9/10/2016 4:34:18 PM	Spirituality vs religion
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	It feels godlike to me , but I don't want to use the term , because of what we've made it . It makes me feel dirty , and corrupt . It makes me feel like an animal .
11/6/2016 6:34:54 AM	Spirituality vs religion
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Romans 12 New International Version (NIV) A Living Sacrifice 12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. Humble Service in the Body of Christ 3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your[a] faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully. Love in Action 9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality. 14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
11/16/2016 2:02:50 PM	Spirituality vs religion
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	"(Ghost) Riders In The Sky" An old cowboy went ridin out one dark and windy day Upon a ridge he rested as he went along his way When all at once a mighty herd of red-eyed cows he saw Plowin through the ragged skies and up a cloudy draw Their brands were still on fire and their hooves were made of steel Their horns were black and shiny and their hot breath he could feel A bolt of fear went through him as they thundered through the sky For he saw the riders comin hard and he heard their mournful cries Yippie I ohhh ohh ohh Yippie I aye ye ye Ghost riders in the sky Their faces gaunt, their eyes were blurred Their shirts all soaked with sweat He's ridin hard to catch that herd But he ain't caught em yet Cause they got to ride forever in that range up in the sky On horses snortin fire as they ride on hear their cries As the riders loped on by him he heard one call his name 'If you wanna save your soul from hell a-ridin on our range Then cowboy change your ways today or with us you will ride Tryin to catch the devil's herd across these endless skies Yippie I ohhh oh oh Yippie I aye ye ye Ghost riders in the sky Ghost riders in the sky Ghost riders in the sky
11/19/2016 7:08:40 PM	Spirituality vs religion
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010
11/21/2016 6:42:42 PM	Spirituality vs religion
2times2many Greenwood Lake, NY 32, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Oh, I'm spiritual, not religious." That's usually code for, "oh, I want some kind of spirituality, but I don't want a moral code." I am very religious and why not, I have God on my side! Amen
11/21/2016 8:36:11 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Oh, I'm spiritual, not religious." That's usually code for, "oh, I want some kind of spirituality, but I don't want a moral code." Or it means, "I love God and I don't want anything to do with your stinking, Jesus defying, God disobeying, Mary worshiping, Catholic abomination of a cult." Quote from 2times2many: I am very religious and why not, I have God on my side! Amen I could be wrong but I think that God is on everyone's side.
11/22/2016 9:06:06 AM	Spirituality vs religion
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11/22/2016 9:44:40 AM	Spirituality vs religion
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 62, joined Jun. 2014	Over in Current Events the Mods have posted a new post from yesterday!!! It warns of deletion for racist/ hate posts. I had to come see if it was posted here. It was not. I'm fixin to check other forums now. It's at the very TOP, and dated 11-21-2016 [Edited 11/22/2016 9:45:28 AM ]
11/24/2016 12:17:36 AM	Spirituality vs religion
nonstandard York, PA 54, joined Jun. 2009	Nature is the greatest force known to man , and it continues , to this very day .
11/24/2016 7:39:24 AM	Spirituality vs religion
asanb Sanbornton, NH 61, joined Jul. 2012	" God made man and man made worldly religions. Such religions were made for the uplift of man. We have to make the best use of them so that ultimately we may know ourselves and then know God. Religion has two aspects: One is the social side, or the outward side. The other aspect is the inner religion, the spiritual side. We have to start with outer forms of religions. Man is social; he must remain in some society. Each society has its own various ceremonies and rituals, its own scriptures, its own mode of saying prayers. This is the non-essential side. We have to remain in' some social religion because man is a social being--and to remain in some social religion is a blessing. But that is an elementary step---our going to churches or other holy places of worship, saying prayers, reading the scriptures, observing certain ceremonies, and rituals. All these go to create love in us for God. But if our performance of rituals, reading of the scriptures or attending the churches or other holy places of worship does not even create in us love of God and constitutes mere mental gymnastics, these lead us nowhere. That does not mean that you are not to live in any social religion. You are to do so. If you revolt against it, you will have to form another society." "Ever since the world began, all Masters have been saying the same thing. We have so many scriptures at our command, so many pages of the books of God that have been written. There will be many more as each Master comes and describes his contact with God or Reality. From their God intoxication, they pour out whatever comes, of high inspiration, just to give us the knowledge of Reality they have seen. Man has been trying to follow that but has failed. Then, how can we see Him? Ever since the world began, this has been the fate of man. Unless we see God, the question remains, what is God? Kabir says there is one Reality in all, supporting all creation, immanent in every form. With That immanent in every form, why do we differ? Why are there so many wars, so many religions everywhere? The reason is that when a Master came he had some experience of that Reality. To the people who met him, he simply gave them a first-hand experience of that Reality. When he left the scene--to err is human, you see--some persons gathered together and they had their own way of thinking. So changes occurred. Again, another Master came, he found dross was added to Reality, to the teachings of the earlier Master. He thrashed out that dross and again let the people know the truth about Reality, to some extent. Again, another religion started. The Masters never started any creed. They only gave out to the people: There is one God and you should love Him. How can you love anybody until you see him, get some good out of him? Mere feelings or emotions are simply inferences arrived at by intellectual wrestlings. They will not give you any definite satisfaction. They will be wavering. Sometimes you may accept these inferences, but they are all subject to error. Unless you see Reality, come in contact with It firsthand and derive the bliss of It, ineffable and direct, enjoy happiness within--only then will you have love for Him, after having tasted the elixir of that Reality. When the Masters come what do they tell us? St. John says: God cannot be seen with thine eyes. But then you find that some Masters said they saw God. The question was put to Guru Nanak: "Do you see God?" He replied: "I see God. He is everywhere." Christ also said: "Behold the Lord." He pointed to the Lord, saying: "There, behold Him." No reasoning." http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/god_man.htm
12/18/2016 11:25:52 AM	Spirituality vs religion
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 46, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from fyathyrio: I feel it's fair to say that spirituality is the umbrella under which all religions fall. In another thread the question is asked "What is the true religion?" I have not been convinced by any one religion, but looking at the subject of God from the spiritual perspective I have been convinced of a few things. First. I am a spiritual being also known as a living soul. The word spirit means energy or enthusiasm. The origin of enthusiasm is the Greek enthous which means possessed or inspired by God. Literally. it means "God within". Look it up. Second, there is no God separate from everything else. God, in all aspects is within. There is no separate supernatural entity known as "God". That idea comes from religion and should be recognized as a misapprehension or even a misunderstanding. Third, God, being within all things is creation itself and not "creator". This will be very hard for some religious people to accept. It's strange to me however because you would think that an all pervasive God would be acceptable to most religious people, but too many were raised to understand the creator God of religion. You know......."HIM". To continue I'd add that I accept the term "soul" just as readily as I accept the term "human". The idea that we have a soul is not as true to me as the idea that I am a soul. There is a big difference between having something and being something. To me, soul is comprised of spirit, mind, and body. Earlier I said I am a spiritual being also known as a living soul. This is how I understand myself. I am a living soul comprised of spirit (God within), mind, and body. 3 in one. Perhaps the term "created in his image is much deeper than superficial looks. You know what I mean? With all this being said, I often get frustrated that religion still has such a strong hold over many minds and hearts. We keep God limited to our beliefs and tucked away from a deeper and more intuitive understanding available to us. What do you think about all of what I said? Please offer any criticisms. the more I read from you the more I realize you don't know your head from your own ass. ice, water, steam, egg, shell, yoke, blah blah blah soul, mind, body.... ever wonder why we have 3 names? who exactly do these 3 names represent? same person or many? would not just first name and last separate most of us? now we need a middle name as well... see, how dumb my question is? I have no way of understanding how you yourself conducts your own reasoning other than by your threads. I do not have to believe to know spirits exist. I watch my animals who are neither spiritual nor practice anything we as humans do. I watch when you can see your guard dogs turn their heads in multiple angles as they appear to be watching something you and I cannot see crawling above you on your ceiling. if they all are watching this it would only be reasonable to conclude they are all seeing the same thing ((that you)) cannot see. what is it? it's a spirit or many. it is like feeling and hearing the wind to understand it is actually wind outside seeing the effects of the wind upon trees and such. if animals can see spirits then it would conclude spirits exist. that would also conclude why would a spirit wish to be above HUMANS to where dogs can see them? why would your dogs growl at something you and I cannot see? might mean the spirits are "not friendly" and represent evil or harm. this is why Christ warned to fight spirit with Spirit and why Paul wrote, we fight not against principalities but against that which cannot be seen and are spiritual. [Edited 12/18/2016 11:26:25 AM ]
5/9/2017 10:16:07 AM	Spirituality vs religion
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010
5/9/2017 3:22:33 PM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	He needs to gargle with Listorine.
5/9/2017 9:33:05 PM	Spirituality vs religion
rey2140 Sullivan, OH 48, joined Sep. 2013	What does being created in his likeness and image mean? First of all, this whole thing is Yahweh, God of the Jews in early OT. Yahweh is also Messiah in NT, which would be none other than Jesus. Elohim can either be singular or plural. Which Elohim is the ultimate God, the supreme being. However, it can be plural. Elohim, either singular or plural, is over Yahweh. Hence the Father Jesus spoke of. And from what I have read and understand, the angels. Please do not quote me on this. The Elohim are many, hence is where Satan (adversary) came from. Man is physical in form. God is Spirit. What is the image and likeness then. It does not mean God has a face of a man or woman, but representative of both in energy. Masculine and feminine energy together. This is the likeness, male and female. The image takes on a bit of a difference. The image is the thought of God. Hence Yahweh. Yahweh is the representative of God in the flesh. His life,attitude, and non attachment to this physical realm. The light of life. This can also be found in all the Masters from time beginning, including Melchizedek as well as Buddha and the like and time present. This is as best to my understanding.
5/9/2017 9:57:40 PM	Spirituality vs religion
rey2140 Sullivan, OH 48, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from fyathyrio: why does the conversation always return to "believing" in God as opposed to understanding the concept of God. Because the concept of God is not correct. So all there is....is belief. Belief is what one wonders, reality is truth.
5/26/2017 12:39:08 PM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	When we believe what God---through His divine Son Jesus Christ---has revealed,this is faith. When we believe our own opinion, it is just belief on one's own opinion.
5/26/2017 6:20:48 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* FJO Blocked me again, eh? I must have hit a nerve in Christian forum, huh? Yes, you hit a nerve. You bore false witness against me and you lied. That always hits a nerve. You wrote: cup o cheer Quote from cupocheer: You bragged and gloated sone tine ago that you would "talk people out of Christianity" and that with the Catholics gone from posting in the Christian forum that you would/could take over this forum and propulgate (sp) your false cult belief. -------------------------------------------------- And I replied: You poor, sad, confused woman. I feel sorry for you. If you will go to the Religion Forum you will see that fyathyrio started the thread about talking people out of Christianity, not me. I have never said any such thing. And no, I have never said anything about taking over this forum for any reason. Almost everything in your post was a lie or a mass of confusion. I wonder if confusion will be an allowable excuse for you bearing false witness.
5/26/2017 6:26:26 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* Ludlow says: When we believe what God---through His divine Son Jesus Christ---has revealed,this is faith. When we believe our own opinion, it is just belief on one's own opinion. ==================================================== And Jesus says: "Why call ye me, [God's divine Son Jesus Christ], and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father which is in secret." (Matthew 6:6) Ludlow/Satan: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.
5/28/2017 7:50:53 PM	Spirituality vs religion
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5/30/2017 12:36:24 PM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Religious war is the devil stirring members of man-made religions to make war on the True Religion, the Catholic religion, the religion Jesus taught the world.
5/30/2017 12:40:19 PM	Spirituality vs religion
lordclarence South Yorkshire United Kingdom 59, joined Mar. 2013	. Quote from ludlowlowell: Religious war is the devil stirring members of man-made religions to make war on the True Religion, the Catholic religion, the religion Jesus taught the world. Which illustrates the truth of the quote. You're one of the punters with the best imaginary friend.
5/30/2017 1:00:52 PM	Spirituality vs religion
rey2140 Sullivan, OH 48, joined Sep. 2013	Religious war will always exist as long as cultural barriers exist. The exclusivity right. Perhaps one day we will learn that the message is not in the man, or men diefied, but in the message itself.
5/30/2017 2:04:15 PM	Spirituality vs religion
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The message is Jesus Christ.
5/30/2017 2:44:41 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Religious war is the devil stirring members of man-made religions to make war on the True Religion, the Catholic religion, the religion Jesus taught the world. The message is Jesus Christ. ================================================================================== You're a very sick Catholic man, Lud. Why do you refuse to obey God? Why do you contradict God? Answer Him. "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." (Matthew 6:6) Ludlow: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.
5/30/2017 2:49:59 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from rey2140: Religious war will always exist as long as cultural barriers exist. The exclusivity right. Perhaps one day we will learn that the message is not in the man, or men diefied, but in the message itself. 155:6.5 While the religion of authority may impart a present feeling of settled security, you pay for such a transient satisfaction the price of the loss of your spiritual freedom and religious liberty. My Father does not require of you as the price of entering the kingdom of heaven that you should force yourself to subscribe to a belief in things which are spiritually repugnant, unholy, and untruthful. It is not required of you that your own sense of mercy, justice, and truth should be outraged by submission to an outworn system of religious forms and ceremonies. The religion of the spirit leaves you forever free to follow the truth wherever the leadings of the spirit may take you. And who can judge—perhaps this spirit may have something to impart to this generation which other generations have refused to hear? 155:6.6 Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth. The prophet who said, “He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God,” was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology. This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God. 155:6.9 The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience—uniformity of destiny—making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration. -The Urantia Book
5/30/2017 2:53:39 PM	Spirituality vs religion
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from asanb: Such a role model to hold up with his wisdom. JUNE 27--Three months before Richard Jeni shot himself to death in his Hollywood home, the comedian was involuntarily hospitalized after complaining of suicidal depression and saying that he would 'jump off a building,' according to a coroner's report. In late December, Jeni visited the emergency room at Cedars Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles and was 'diagnosed with suicidality, homicidality, and depression' and 'placed on 51/50 hold,' which allows medical officials to involunatarily confine a patient for up to 72 hours. The coroner's report on Jeni--who was born Richard John Colangelo--was released yesterday and an excerpt from the document can be found below. On March 10, with his girlfriend downstairs making breakfast, Jeni, 49, placed the barrel of a .38-caliber Colt Detective Special in his mouth and pulled the trigger. One week earlier, Jeni's girlfriend saw the comedian talking to himself, saying, 'Just squeeze the trigger.' The woman, Amy Hasten, told investigators that due to the stress of Jeni's work schedule, the performer had 'problems with insomnia, paranoia, and high blood pressure.' Additionally, the report says that the performer had a history of schizophrenia and was taking Remeron, an antidepressant. Jeni, who relentlessly toured the U.S., did several one-man HBO and Showtime specials and made more Tonight Show appearances than any other stand-up comic. He was eulogized at a memorial service at an L.A. nightclub by a Who's Who of comedians, including Jay Leno, Tim Allen, Richard Lewis, Paul Rodriguez, and Jon Lovitz. (4 pages)
5/30/2017 9:26:43 PM	Spirituality vs religion
rey2140 Sullivan, OH 48, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from ludlowlowell: The message is Jesus Christ. The so called "sect" of Nazarenes holds fast to the diefied Jesus. Even though they use the Peshitta Bible, which the way it is worded disputes such, they still hold fast to the incarnate son of God. They have a statement though, which says in short, that, though it is a step backwards, it is not nessacary to believe Jesus is the incarnate Son of God. In other words, it's not about the deification, but the message delivered. "If you do not believe in me, believe the works done". How much clearer the message?
5/30/2017 9:36:04 PM	Spirituality vs religion
asanb Sanbornton, NH 61, joined Jul. 2012	all religions are profoundly good, truly worthy of our love and respect. The object of this Conference is not to found any new religion as we have already enough of them, nor to evaluate the extant religions we have with us. Again, we should shed the idea of drawing up "One World Religion" for all religions, like so many states, are, in spite of their variegated forms and colors, but flowers in the garden of God and smell sweet. The most pressing need of the time, therefore, is to study our religious scriptures thoughtfully and to reclaim our lost heritage. Everyone has in him, says a Saint, a pearl of priceless value, but as he does not know how to unearth it, he is going about with a beggar's bowl. It is a practical subject and even to call it a religion of soul is a misnomer, for soul has no religion whatsoever. We may, if you like, call it the Science of Soul, for it is truly a science, more scientific than all the known sciences of the world, capable of yielding valuable and verifiable results, quite precise and definite. By contacting the Light and Life Principles, the primordial manifestations of God within the laboratory of the man body (which all the scriptures declare to be a veritable temple of God), we can virtually draw upon the "bread and water of life," rise into Cosmic Awareness and gain immortality. This is the be-all and end-all of all religions, and embedded as we all are in the ONE Divinity, we ought to represent the noble truth of the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man. It is the living Word of the living God and has a great potential in it. It has been rightly said: Man does not live by bread alone but by the Word of God. And this Word of God is an unwritten law and an unspoken language. He who, by the power of the Word, finds himself can never again lose anything in the world. He who once grasps the human in himself, understands all mankind. It is that knowledge by knowing which everything else becomes known. This is an immutable law of the Unchangeable Permanence and is not designed by any human head. It is the Sruti of the Vedas, the Naad or Udgit of the Upanishads, the Sraosha of the Zend Avesta, the Holy Spirit of the Gospels, the lost Word of the Masons, the Kalma of the Prophet Mohammed, the Saut of the Sufis, the Shabd or Naam of the Sikh scriptures, the Music of the Spheres and of all harmonies of Plato and Pythagoras, and the Voice of the Silence of the Theosophists. It can be contacted, grasped and communed with by every sincere seeker after Truth, for the good not only of himself but of the entire humanity, for it acts as a sure safety valve against all dangers with which mankind is threatened in this atomic age. The only prerequisite for acquiring this spiritual treasure in one's own soul is self-knowledge This is why sages and seers in all times and in all climes have in unmistakable terms laid emphasis on self-analysis. Their clarion call to humanity has always been: Man—Know Thyself. Kirpal Singh Seek ye first the Kingdom of god The Kingdom of God is within you Learn to meditate.

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