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OK, but no camel toes in church, alright? Deal?

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prophetic774
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WILL THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND THE REIGN OF 666, THE BEAST OR THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION LAST EXACTLY 1260 DAYS OR 42 {30-DAY} MONTHS AND NOT 7 YEARS???

*Note by comparing Revelation 12:6 and Revelation 12:14 we can know that time {360 days}, times {720 days}, and 1/2 a time {180 days} and 1260 days are the exact same period of time. 42 {30-day} months and 1260 days or time {12 months}, times {24 months} and 1/2 a time {6 months} are also the exact same period of time.

*{#1}** Daniel 12:1b,2,7b: “There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time {The Last Day} your people--*EVERYONE* whose name is found written in the book {Both OT & NT Saints}—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt…It will be for a time. times and half a time {Which is also 1260 days as per Rev 12:6,14, or 42 {30-day} months as per Rev 13:5} *ALL* these things will be *COMPLETED.

**{#2}** Rev 13:5,7: The beast will be given a mouth to utter blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 months …He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. COMPARE WITH:

**{#3}**Dan 7:25: “He will speak against the Most High and oppress His saints. The saints will be handed over to him for time {12 months}, times {24 months} and 1/2 a time {6 months} {Or 42 months}

A seven-year Great Tribulaion or rule of 666 is never mentioned in God's Word!!

** A SEVEN-YEAR GREAT TRIBULATION OR SEVEN-YEAR RULE OF 666 IS NEVER MENTIONED IN GOD'S WORD!!

Daniel 9:24: 70 7's are decreed... to **ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS**{After 69 1/2 7's}, **TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS**{After 70 7's} and **TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY**{After 69 7's or 483 years!!} The last half of the Last 7 would be the 1260-day Great Tribulation just before the glorious Coming of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, on the Last Day of the 70th 7!!

Daniel 9:25: Know and understand this. From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed one, the Ruler, comes, there will be 62 7's and 7 7's {Or 69 7's which would be 483 years}

And so the first half of the last 7 was already COMPLETED when Jesus put and END to all sacrifices for sin;1260 days after His Anointing which occurred after 69 7's. When the Anointed One came 69 7's or 483 years were 100% completed [See Dan 9:25 above} leaving just one 7 in the future after the Anointed One comes and then came a 1260-day New Covenant which ended when Jesus put an end to all sacrifices for sin.

It is interesting to note that in Daniel 9:25 it states that 70 7's are decreed *TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS* and therefore those who believe in a7 year future Tribulation DO NO INCLUDE CHRIST'S ATONEMENT FOR SINS IN THE 70 '7s OR 490 YEAR PROPHECY!! since the coming of the Anointed One to earth took place on the last day of the 69 7's!!! or after 483 years!! Those who wrongly believe in a future 7-year Tribulation; must wrongly believe that the ATONEMENT FOR WICKEDNESS by Jesus about 3 1/2 years after His Anointing can not be included in the 70 7's Prophecy.!!!

Hebrews 10:8-10: First He said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor were You pleased with them," although the law required them to be made. Then He said, "Here I am, I have come to do Your will." He sets aside the first **TO ESTABLISH THE SECOND**. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ **ONCE FOR ALL**!!

Hebrews 9:22; 26-28: The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood **THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS**.... But now He has appeared **ONCE FOR ALL** at the end of the ages to do away with sin **BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF**!! Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people {In the middle of the last 7} He will appear a second time,{On the Last day of the 70th 7} not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!!

Daniel 9:26,27: The Anointed One will be cut off... He will confirm a Covenant for one seven. In the middle of the seven He will put and an end to sacrifice and offering{And then after a long pause}He will set up an Abomination of Desolation, {For 42 months} until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. { See Rev 19:20 & 2 Thess 2:8}

What then, is the explanation of Matthew 24:15,16??

Matthew 24:15,16: So when you see standing in the **HOLY PLACE** 'the abomination that causes of desolation spoken of through the prophet Daniel {See Daniel 9:27b and Daniel 7:25} let the reader understand--then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

3 1/2 days before the Last Day of the Great Tribulation God will allow the Abomination of Desolation to kill His 2 witnesses {Moses & Elijah} in the *HOLY PLACE** right where our Lord Jesus was crucified in Judea; and then those saints in Judea should flee to the mountains.

Revelation 11:7-11,15,18: Now when they have finished their {1260-day} testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss {Or the Abomination of Desolation} will attack them, and overpower and kill them. {Then let those saints in Judea flee to the mountains as per Matt 24:16} Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city...where their Lord was crucified {The New Holy Place} For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies {On Worldwide TV} and refuse them burial... But after three and half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet ... Then they heard a loud Voice from heaven saying to them , "COME UP HERE" And the went up to heaven in a cloud...The seventh angel sounded his trumpet , and there were loud voices in heaven, which said, "The kingdoms of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever...The time has come for judging the dead and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints... and for destroying those who destroy the earth!!"

So then, how do you explain 2 Thessalonians 2:4??

2 Thessalonians 2:4: He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Revelation 13:15-17: He {the False Prophet of 666} will be given power to give breath to the image of the first beast {666} so that it could speak! and cause all who refused **TO WORSHIP** the image to be killed. He also forced everyone to receive a markon his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark,which is the **NAME OF THE BEAST** or the number of his name.{666}

And when 666 kills God's powerful 2 witnesses in the new **HOLY PLACE** right where their Lord was crucified; he will claim to be God!

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**WILL THE GREAT TRIBULATION LAST 7 YEARS or 42 MONYHS** {CONTINUED}

666 will also be able to persecute and kill God's saints who are the new **TEMPLE OF GOD**!!

I Corinthians 3:16,17: Don't you know that you yourselves are **GOD'S TEMPLE* and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and **YOU ARE THAT TEMPLE!!

2 Corinthians 6:16: For **WE ARE THE TEMPLE** of the living God!!

Revelation 11:1: "Go and measure the **TEMPLE OF GOD** and count the worshipers there!"

Revelation 7:14,15: These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the **LAMB**. Therefore, they are before the throne of God and serve Him day and night in His Temple!!

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cupocheer
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Does anyone know where, in the Bible, Jesus told his disciples NOT to dress to make themselves appear on a superior class to other Christians?

12/5/2016 11:19:25 AM Is one "holy" by how one dresses? | Page 4  

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The Roman Catholic Church and TNT continually quote I John 1:9 to justify their belief that we are saved by our good works and confessions:

They continually say: Our sin is forgiven by Almighty God upon request for forgiveness. It is the blood and life of Christ which was sacrificed to make the offer of forgiveness possible, but it doesn't happen without confession. It is an offer of forgiveness that must be accepted through confession/belief in the name of the Son of God.

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9

IF and ONLY IF


**HOWEVER, WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY**??

Now here the Roman Catholic Church and TNT are implying that our salvation is dependent on "OUR CONFESSION OF OUR SINS" and completely ignores other Scripture that states that our faith and salvation is the **FREE GIFT OF GOD** and that the Father **DRAWS HIM** and **ENABLES HIM** to make that confession for salvation.

But if we look into the context of I John 1:9 we find that it has nothing to do with our original salvation but has to do with our confession of daily sins **AFTER** we have received the free gift of salvation.

I John 1:8,9; 2:1,2: If we {believers} claim to be without sin, **WE DECEIVE OURSELVES** and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we {believers} we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar and His word has no place in our lives....If anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the **ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS**!!

Luke 11:1-4: The disciples asked Jesus, "Teach us to pray" Jesus said to His disciples, "When you pray, say: 'Father , hallowed be your name, Your kingdom come. Give us each day our **DAILY** bread. Forgive us {disciples} our sins, for we forgive everyone who sins against us'"

Here we see that Jesus tells His disciples to daily ask the Father to forgive them of their sins. God's Word states that we must be holy as God is holy as per I Peter 1:15,16; and to walk as Jesus walked as per I John 2:6. And God understands that we really don't understand how much we fall short and sin daily.

The closer we get to God the more we realize how much we fall short and sin daily; and realize our need to confess our sins daily to get closer to God. Take Paul, the greatest NT saint, for example:

I Timothy 1:15,16: Paul said, "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom **I AM THE WORST**. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, **THE WORST OF SINNERS**, Christ Jesus might display **HIS UNLIMITED PATIENCE** as an example for those who would believe on Him and receive eternal life.

Titus 3:3,4: At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. But when the kindness and **LOVE** of God our Savior appeared , he saved us, **NOT BECAUSE OF RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE**, but because of **HIS MERCY**!!

Romans 11:5,6: At the present time there is a remnant **CHOSEN BY GRACE**! And if by grace it is **NO LONGER BY WORKS**; if it were, grace would no longer be grace!!

Romans 9:30-32: What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is **BY FAITH**; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it Why not? Because they pursued it **NOT BY FAITH** but as it were by works!!

Romans 4:5-8: To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, **HIS FAITH** is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness **APART FROM WORKS**: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will **NEVER COUNT AGAINST HIM**!!" {Psalm 32:1,2}

Isaiah 1:18: "Come now, let us reason together," says the Lord. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as **WHITE AS SNOW**!"

Isaiah 53:5,6: For He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed. We all like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way, and the Lord has **LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL**!!

Ephesians 1:5-8: In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His **GLORIOUS GRACE**, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have **REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD**, the **FORGIVENESS OF SINS**, in accordance with the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding!

Ephesians 2:8-10: For it is **BY GRACE** you have been saved, through faith-- and this **NOT FROM YOURSELVES**, it is the **GIFT** of God--**NOT BY WORKS**, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do!!

John 1:12,13: To all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, **NOR OF A HUMAN DECISION** or a husband's will but, **BORN OF GOD**!!

John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "**ALL** that the Father gives Me **WILL** come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will **NEVER** drive away... And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall **LOSE NONE** of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day.... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father who sent Me **DRAWS HIM**, and I will raise him up at the Last Day!!... No one can come to Me **UNLESS** the Father has **ENABLED THEM**!!"



12/7/2016 11:19:58 AM Is one "holy" by how one dresses? | Page 4  
cupocheer
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The mention of "modesty", equating to wearing apparel, includes both men & women.

Jesus did teach his apostles to dress in a manner which DID NOT set them apart from other people or two give the impression of a superior class.

The Roman Catholic Church, and any other church, which flaunts it's authority & position by how it garbs it's believers & teachers, is in direct conflict with the teachings of Jesus, and God's will.

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If Jewish priests of the Old Testament wore vestments during sacrifice, why can't priests of the New Covenant (Catholic priests)?

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Quote from cupocheer:
I attended a church revival in September 14,2015.

The pastor guest speaker was Charles (withholding last name here). He was the former pastor of the church where the revival was being held.

He preached a very poor sermon, in my opinion.

His message was sketchy, not centered, and railed on the political discourse of same set marriage. (I am an avid believer in separation of church and state and this preacher's dissertation left me cold when it turned from religious faith to politics.)

A portion of the message really "turned me off".

Charles said 'the way to recognize one, or be seen as a "holy" person was in how the person 'dressed'.

Do you believe that the manner in which a person dresses defines their faith in God?


No you cannot.

I heard a similar sermon at a Church I tried back in the Fall, and as well, it left me angry.

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*
On the other hand, we don't need to see any camel toes in church.



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On the other hand, we don't need to see any camel toes in church.


Who is Church for though?

Should she be denied from worshiping and maybe learning about Jesus?

I have a Daughter, who has led a very wild life for 10 years. Played in a Punk Rock band, ended up in drugs real bad. After a 5 year struggle, finally is clean after being in Prison.

She really surprised me recently, as she has been a die hard atheist, when she told me she wanted to go to church with her niece and I. Now, I am old fashioned when it comes to Church, more often than not you will catch me wearing jeans and my cow boy hat. But when it comes to church, I always wear a suit. No idea why really, but it was the way I was raised.

So, she was worried about what she should wear. And I thought to my self, after all these years of worry, I could care less Honey if you come in your band dress. A thousand prayers answered, I could care less how she dressed when they were answered.

I have mused about starting a church based on the thief on the Cross, one that any one can come to and feel welcome. Street people, druggies, bikers, Gays, I think they should all feel welcome no matter how they are dressed.

JMO, we are all sinners anyway, right?



[Edited 12/8/2016 7:41:33 PM ]

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*
On the other hand, we don't need to see any camel toes in church.



This reminds me of a short story.

It's not religious, per se, so if you are offended by reality easily -- back out now because I will be using obscenity here.





















Back when my youngest daughter was in high school, she was on the football cheer squad. The cheerleaders and football players practiced on the football field at the same time.

The girls were required to wear "spankies" (a panty-type garment) under their uniform skirts (not as short as today's uniforms) but during practice they had to wear Bermuda shorts which reached the knee.

The football players practiced in a t-shirt and cotton athletic shorts.

The boy's were on a style that had loose legs and reached almost to the top of the thigh.

One day, after work, I stopped by the practice session to see how the practice sessions were progressing.

Fast forward.....

A few days later my daughter called me from school and asked me to bring her a pair of jeans. Thinking she had had an "accident", I complied with her request.

When I met my daughter at the principal's outer office the explained to me that she had to change because she had been told her skirt was too short. (3 inches above the knee). [I'm talking about a size 2, athletic, 100# young lady here. ]

When I asked who had told her that she said the principal, Mr. X.

I asked what he had said 'exactly and she said he had called her into his office as she was leaving the nearby cafeteria. When she was in the office he told her to turn around (back in his direction) and bend over. Then he told her her skirt was too short.

Attempting to maintain my murderous rage in front of my daughter I asked if the principal was the same man as the football coach. She said yes.

I told my daughter to go change and go back to class.

After she returned to class I marched my little lioness ads into the principal's office, unannounced, as he looked up in surprise, I leaned two-fusted, knuckle down on his desktop and stated:

You sorry son-of-a-b*tch. You will be seeing me again.

You say my daughters skirt is too short while you ogle Her ass?

Tell you what coach -- I was at practice the other day -- if my daughters skirt is too short your football players need new shorts to keep their d*cks from hanging out when they don't wear a jock strap.

See you in court!

Needless to say, a new coach soon took over the football team and the acting assistant principal did a hell of a good job.

..........

Camel-toes, FJO?

What did you have in your hands? It couldn't have been a holy book.

*********

This is a prime example of MEN not being capable of controlling libido and thinking they can control the actions of women.

MEN are not the "king & lord" of women --- especially this wrinkled-arsed old woman.


You just labeled yourself a sick, degenerate, fkn, pervert, FJO.



[Edited 12/8/2016 7:49:10 PM ]

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If Jewish priests of the Old Testament wore vestments during sacrifice, why can't priests of the New Covenant (Catholic priests)?


Because you are replacing it not with Jesus, but simply redoing the old.

Here I will use the NIV, just because its easier to understand.

Mark 14:62-64 New International Version (NIV)

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

They all condemned him as worthy of death.

This passage is very significant . Tradition, ceremony and strict codes are detailed in the O/T about the tunic worn by the high Priest. I will not bother quoting them, you do not read scripture posted any way.

But the High Priest was so frustrated by what Jesus said, he did the unthinkable, broke sacred law when he tore his uniform.

And why was this action, even mentioned in scripture? Because it is very symbolic in so many ways, of what was to come.

What was blasphemy?

"blas·phe·my
'blasf?me/Submit
noun
the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
"he was detained on charges of blasphemy"
synonyms: profanity, sacrilege, irreligion, irreverence, taking the Lord's name in vain, swearing, curse, cursing, impiety, desecration; archaicexecration"

Jesus was accused of this by the high priest, and it ticked the Priest off so bad, he broke law. He was accused of saying that the "old' did not apply any more. That something new was about to replace all the stuff they thought was sacred.

And so in his anger, the High Priest actually did, what he accused Jesus of doing, he broke strict laws about his tunic and tore it.

Kinda a fore shadow of what was to come very shortly . The High Priest tore his tunic, and right after Jesus died, the temple it self would have the "vail" that supposedly separated God from man, would be torn. That vail that separated man from the room where only Priests could meet and commune with God.

So, we are not supposed to replace what was torn, with just another vail , and religious order priest hood. Jesus did not die just to replace one religion with another. In fact, it was religion, his own, that insisted he die.

What you are doing, is just replacing a Ford with a Chevy.

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Quote from cupocheer:

You just labeled yourself a sick, degenerate, fkn, pervert, FJO.
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To whom are you addressing your commentary, ISNA?

There seems to be a void between the previous posts on men saying how women should dress in order to be modest, in a man's opinion.

And, how a priest tore his garment thus violating the law that Jesus had been accused of violating.

Would there, by chance, be an invisible "to me" poster between my post and yours?

Replacing a Ford with a Chevy? Do you buy American?

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Quote from ludlowlowell: (via isna's post)
If Jewish priests of the Old Testament wore vestments during sacrifice, why can't priests of the New Covenant (Catholic priests)?
============================================================

Where does Jesus or the bible refer to cathlick priests as "priests of the New Covenant"?

Either you or your self serving, ostentatious church just made that up out of thin air.


Quote from isna_la_wica:
Because you are replacing it not with Jesus, but simply redoing the old.

Here I will use the NIV, just because its easier to understand.

Mark 14:62-64 New International Version (NIV)

62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

63 The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. 64 “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?”

They all condemned him as worthy of death.

This passage is very significant . Tradition, ceremony and strict codes are detailed in the O/T about the tunic worn by the high Priest. I will not bother quoting them, you do not read scripture posted any way.

But the High Priest was so frustrated by what Jesus said, he did the unthinkable, broke sacred law when he tore his uniform.

And why was this action, even mentioned in scripture? Because it is very symbolic in so many ways, of what was to come.

What was blasphemy?

"blas·phe·my
'blasf?me/Submit
noun
the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
"he was detained on charges of blasphemy"
synonyms: profanity, sacrilege, irreligion, irreverence, taking the Lord's name in vain, swearing, curse, cursing, impiety, desecration; archaicexecration"

Jesus was accused of this by the high priest, and it ticked the Priest off so bad, he broke law. He was accused of saying that the "old' did not apply any more. That something new was about to replace all the stuff they thought was sacred.

And so in his anger, the High Priest actually did, what he accused Jesus of doing, he broke strict laws about his tunic and tore it.

Kinda a fore shadow of what was to come very shortly . The High Priest tore his tunic, and right after Jesus died, the temple it self would have the "vail" that supposedly separated God from man, would be torn. That vail that separated man from the room where only Priests could meet and commune with God.

So, we are not supposed to replace what was torn, with just another vail , and religious order priest hood. Jesus did not die just to replace one religion with another. In fact, it was religion, his own, that insisted he die.

What you are doing, is just replacing a Ford with a Chevy.


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corrected post

Quote from cupocheer:

You just labeled yourself a sick, degenerate, fkn, pervert, FJO


OK, but no camel toes in church, alright? Deal?

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You know I don't appreciate the comment, especially in my threads.

There is only one God. I don't discriminate; neither in race, color, creed, or religion. We are all GOD'S children. Accept that from me or pass me by.

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Quote from cupocheer:
You know I don't appreciate the comment, especially in my threads.

There is only one God. I don't discriminate; neither in race, color, creed, or religion. We are all GOD'S children. Accept that from me or pass me by.


I really have no idea what you're talking about again. I agree that
"there is only one God" and I also agree that " I don't discriminate; neither in race, color, creed, or religion." and that "We are all GOD'S children." We are in complete agreement, apparently.

So I don't know what you're talking about or what it has to do with the subject at hand.

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Quote from followjesusonly:
corrected post

Quote from cupocheer:

You just labeled yourself a sick, degenerate, fkn, pervert, FJO


OK, but no camel toes in church, alright? Deal?


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Quote from cupocheer:

You just labeled yourself a sick, degenerate, fkn, pervert, FJO.


Actually, if you think about it, it's YOU who just did the labeling, not me.

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Actually, no -- if you hadn't set yourself out I wouldn't have known your inclination.

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Quote from cupocheer:
To whom are you addressing your commentary, ISNA?

There seems to be a void between the previous posts on men saying how women should dress in order to be modest, in a man's opinion.

And, how a priest tore his garment thus violating the law that Jesus had been accused of violating.

Would there, by chance, be an invisible "to me" poster between my post and yours?

Replacing a Ford with a Chevy? Do you buy American?


I quoted what I was responding to in the post.

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If Jewish priests of the Old Testament wore vestments during sacrifice, why can't priests of the New Covenant (Catholic priests)?


Lud has this belief that Jesus did not die for the individual but rather for a Religion. And it is his that replaces the Jews.

That is what I was responding to.

There seems to be a void between the previous posts on men saying how women should dress in order to be modest, in a man's opinion.


I do not judge a woman on how she dresses. It is her business and between her and God.

Its actually why I attend the Church that I do. They welcome every one, and even have some home less people come to the services. I am not crazy about some of there doctrine, but made up my mind a while ago when I drove cab after I retired that I could not support a Church that did not invite all. And I sought out a Church that I could invite even my customers who were drug addicts or Hookers too.

I am a great believer in, come as you are. Christ died for sinners, and wants us to come to him even though we are sinners. To discourage a woman not to come to Church, because you think what she is wearing is too revealing? Is too me, like saying my sins are better than hers.

And I do not agree with that.

Do I buy American? Most of the time I have, most of my Cars/ Trucks have been Chryslers. But when I got back into waste water work this past year, had to sell my Ram, it was too expensive on fuel for all the driving I do, around a thosuand miles a week. So went with a Scion as my son works for Toyota in the Lexus division. Discount I get is pretty good. In August I got a great deal though on a Lexus, so traded the Scion in on it.

Toyota products actually have a higher North american content than some from the big 3 now days. So in a way, yea, I do.

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I don't lay any store in what Lud says. He has a right to the religion and beliefs of his choice but I will post the truth when I see him posting all his misinformation -- as I would want anyone to correct anything I might misspeak.

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Quote from cupocheer:
Actually, no -- if you hadn't set yourself out I wouldn't have known your inclination.


And what is my "inclination" according to you, who seems a bearer of false witness? You seem to be inclined to doing that.

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And what is my "inclination" according to you, who seems a bearer of false witness? You seem to be inclined to doing that.


Pejorative -- try again

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"Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much."

--Our Lady of Fatima (Mary), in an apparition to three Portuguese children, in 1917

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Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, you take the cake.

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Hey LUD, what did JESUS say?

Remember Jesus?

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First, we should recognize that whenever Mary appears to anyone, it is Jesus Wjo sends her, so her words are Jesus' words. But if you want a direct wuote from Jesus, how about Luke 17:1: "Then he said to the disciples, It is impossible but that offenses will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!"

This means that it is wrong to tempt others to sin, and that is what women do when they dress immodestly. Yes, it works the other way too---men should dress modestly. Men in thong bathing suits, men in the 1970s who went around with shirts unbuttoned, this is wrong too.

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Ludlow says:

First, we should recognize that whenever Mary appears to anyone, it is Jesus Wjo sends her, so her words are Jesus' words.


A. Mary never appears to anyone.

and

B. Jesus does not send Mary to appear to anyone.

You're a sick man, Ludlow, and you're never going to get any better until you do something about your illness and stop believing such fantasies.

You don't even love God, according to Jesus.

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

“Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9)

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24)

Your Catholic lies about Mary are from Satan, a red herring designed to take us away from God.

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No. How one attires their outer body does not signify holiness.

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*
Ludlow The Self Righteous said: "men in the 1970s who went around with shirts unbuttoned, this is wrong too."

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Men who refuse to obey God, men who don't love God enough to obey Him, this is wrong too.

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

“Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9)

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)
And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24)

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4)

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No



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Cupocheer, do you think Christian freedom means a license to sin?

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Do you, LUD?

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I asked you first.

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Did not!

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Dressed by the hand of God.

Is this attire "un-holy"?

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Quote from cupocheer:


Dressed by the hand of God.

Is this attire "un-holy"?




Good point.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
"Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much."

--Our Lady of Fatima (Mary), in an apparition to three Portuguese children, in 1917



He was not impressed with Fig Leaves.

7 and the eyes of them both are opened, and they know that they [are] naked, and they sew fig-leaves, and make to themselves girdles.
8 And they hear the sound of Jehovah God walking up and down in the garden at the breeze of the day, and the man and his wife hide themselves from the face of Jehovah God in the midst of the trees of the garden.
9 And Jehovah God calleth unto the man, and saith to him, `Where [art] thou?'
10 and he saith, `Thy sound I have heard in the garden, and I am afraid, for I am naked, and I hide myself.'
11 And He saith, `Who hath declared to thee that thou [art] naked? of the tree of which I have commanded thee not to eat, hast thou eaten?'
12 and the man saith, `The woman whom Thou didst place with me -- she hath given to me of the tree -- and I do eat.'
13 And Jehovah God saith to the woman, `What [is] this thou hast done?' and the woman saith, `The serpent hath caused me to forget -- and I do eat.'
14 And Jehovah God saith unto the serpent, `Because thou hast done this, cursed [art] thou above all the cattle, and above every beast of the field: on thy belly dost thou go, and dust thou dost eat, all days of thy life;

But God approved of leather


21 And Jehovah God doth make to the man and to his wife coats of skin, and doth clothe them.


Why are you wearing cotton T shirts from China , Lud?

Cotton comes from a plant, just like the fig leaves.




You better run out and buy a leather one, and get your Priest to forgive you for fashions not approved by God.

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Quote from ludlowlowell: (VIA Isna's post)
"Certain fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much."

--Our Lady of Fatima (Mary), in an apparition to three Portuguese children, in 1917

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"Our Lady of Fatima" never said any such thing and Mary has never appeared to anyone. Dead people do not come back to earth to be apparitions to the living. That's all occult stuff.

It's a fantasy and it's part of your illness and the sickness of your church and all the other superstitions your church has piled on for you to believe.

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Are you taking heed, Lud?

In 380 a.d. the Emporer of the Roman Empire APPOINTED the Christan faith as the STATE religion, following upheavals and dissention between Christians and those of pagan religions.

This, the universal (catholic) faith was formed from the Christian faith.

Following further schisms in the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Christian communities separated.

The Catholic Church was established and now the Roman Empire was called the Holy Roman Empire.


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I don't know where you got this quote, Cup, but it is false. Yes the Christian/Catholic religion became the state religion in 380 (Protestantism had not yet been invented), but the Catholic Church was not founded at this time. The Church was founded by Christ in the first century, complete with pope (Peter), bishops (apostles and their successors), priests (elders), and the Mass (the Breaking of the Bread). And if we read Acts and the epistles of Paul we see that the Church was an organized body, not a loose spiritual federation of believers.

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No, Lud -- Catholics "preach" that Catholicism was founded by Jesus, but that is not factual. And you well know it.

Catholicism is a CONTINUATION of the Christian community which followed Jesus Christ's teachings.

When dissent arose within the Christian community (AFTER) the death of Jesus the factions 'splintered' (schism -- there was more than one, Lud).

Drive that clown car all you want, it will never change the historical records nor the Biblical scripture.

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Yes, Catholicism is a continuation of what Jesus counded, circa 33 a.d. When we are members of the Catholic Church we are incorporated into Christ.

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Ludlow wrote:
Yes, Catholicism is a continuation of what Jesus counded, circa 33 a.d. When we are members of the Catholic Church we are incorporated into Christ.

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No, Lud, Catholicism is not a continuation of what Jesus counded.

Catholicism is just a branch of Christianity that ruthlessly gained power and suppressed and killed the competition.

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We all misspell words, FJO. Perhaps you should take your own miscalculations to heart and ease up on some of the sweetness of reproach.

Yes, Catholicism is ONE of the branches of the Christian religion which the Christian Church followed, as taught by Jesus -- but the Catholic Church absorbed the pagan religions into their midst and convoluted the true teachings of Jesus. Ergo, it is a continuation....

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Quote from cupocheer:
We all misspell words, FJO. Perhaps you should take your own miscalculations to heart and ease up on some of the sweetness of reproach.

Yes, Catholicism is ONE of the branches of the Christian religion which the Christian Church followed, as taught by Jesus -- but the Catholic Church absorbed the pagan religions into their midst and convoluted the true teachings of Jesus. Ergo, it is a continuation....


We Catholics did adopt some pagan holidays and customs and we Christianized them, but when it comes to the belief system it is all from Jesus.

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(scratching head emote)

So, LUD, when Catholics accept(ed) pagan ritual and adopted those rituals into the Catholic teachings didn't that alter, somewhat, the original teachings of Jesus, even though those rituals were 'Christianized' by the Catholic Church they weren't accept by true Christians following Jesus'birth teachings, were they?

What did JESUS say about the pagan rituals/beliefs/practice?

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Jesus distinguished between pagan beliefs and practices. Jesus was very respectful and polite to the pagans Pontius Pilate and the Roman centurion.

Cupocheer, you seem to get a kick out of Christmas. You post all those beautiful Christmas pictures---I like them a lot and hope you will continue posting them. But Christmas is a perfect example of how the early Catholic Church took a pagan holiday, Saturnalia, and Christianized it. Holly and mistletoe---straight from paganism, and converted to a Christian purpose. The very word "Christmas" means Christ's Mass.

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Oh, God, have mercy and bridle my tongue...

Thanks for your compliment, LUD.

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Quote from cupocheer:
We all misspell words, FJO. Perhaps you should take your own miscalculations to heart and ease up on some of the sweetness of reproach.


Don't know what you're talking about (again), cup. Was it something recent? Or are you catching up on old posts? Maybe your post was for someone else. Ludlow misspells an incredible amount of words because he does it all on a cell phone, he has no computer, either can't afford one or his land lady won't let him have one in the rooming house. That's my guess anyway. What misspelling correction are you talking about? I always get a kick out of people who go nuts if you tell them they've misspelled a word. You should thank them instead of attacking them.

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The Nutcracker Suite

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I want to tell you all a story 'bout a Harper Valley widowed wife
Who had a teenage daughter who attended Harper Valley Junior High
Well her daughter came home one afternoon and didn't even stop to play
She said, "Mom, I got a note here from the Harper Valley P.T.A."
The note said, "Mrs. Johnson, you're wearing your dresses way too high
It's reported you've been drinking and a-runnin' 'round with men and going wild
And we don't believe you ought to be bringing up your little girl this way"
It was signed by the secretary, Harper Valley P.T.A.
Well, it happened that the P.T.A. was gonna meet that very afternoon
They were sure surprised when Mrs. Johnson wore her mini-skirt into the room
And as she walked up to the blackboard, I still recall the words she had to say
She said, "I'd like to address this meeting of the Harper Valley P.T.A."
Well, there's Bobby Taylor sittin' there and seven times he's asked me for a date
Mrs. Taylor sure seems to use a lot of ice whenever he's away
And Mr. Baker, can you tell us why your secretary had to leave this town?
And shouldn't widow Jones be told to keep her window shades all pulled completely down?
Well, Mr. Harper couldn't be here 'cause he stayed too long at Kelly's Bar again
And if you smell Shirley Thompson's breath, you'll find she's had a little nip of gin
Then you have the nerve to tell me you think that as a mother I'm not fit
Well, this is just a little Peyton Place and you're all Harper Valley hypocrites
No I wouldn't put you on because it really did, it happened just this way
The day my Mama socked it to the Harper Valley P.T.A.
The day my Mama socked it to the Harper Valley P.T.A.

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Maybe Mrs. Johnson pointed out to the Harper Valley P.T.A. their sins. But that doesn't mean that Mrs. Johnson wasn't sinning herself.

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Because of the way she dressed?

That's what the letter said: you wear your dresses you short.

Don't add your bigoted mindset to the equation.

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It is possible for men to dress immodestly, too. We saw a lot of that in the seventies.

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This is 2016 -- many things change in 50 years -- done advance -- some advance and then go retro -- clothing, fads, speech, mannerisms being just a few.

To make judgemental comments about 21st century dressing preferences makes our out-of-sync with the times and a need or want to clung onto their own youth by finding fault with the current ideologies of society.

If God saw an issue with the human body none of us would have been born naked.

Adam and Eve sinned and God covered their sin -- does that mean to dress as if one still lives in the Victorian Age? No! If that were the case For wouldn't have given humankind the ability to improve self and life.

God said "Go forth and prosper." He didn't just mean to make babies and populate the earth. He meant to advance -- in all areas.

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Man's idwas of morality might change, but God's ideas of morality never do. It is just as wrong to tempt someone to sin as it is to commit the actual sin.

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Lud, temptation is a weakness of the tempted -- not the manner of dress of the individual.

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Lud, you are a chauvinist or prude, aren't you?






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