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aquariankate
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“Claim and defend your self-ownership for yourself and live it.” There are many things we can do for ourselves and not rely on the government or another person or organization for our lives and pursuit of happiness. There is no reason to overthrow a government you can simply ignore. Granted, there are some aspects that you ignore at your own peril. However, know what areas you are willing to practice civil disobedience in and at what cost, and just live your life. Ie. Can you get away without filing taxes? Meh – probably not. However, you can probably get away with doing as many transactions in the grey market as you are able. Finding local, like minded individuals to build a community and create a market exchange outside of state sanctioned sales / transactions would be a way of living one’s life rightly – albeit not necessarily legally.
When individuals stop looking to the state to determine right and wrong ie – legal or illegal to make decisions, we move closer to a free society. But you don’t need to live in a free society to be free. Nor do you have to live in fear. Life is short, and it is not guaranteed, if you live in fear of death, you hamstring your life and may as well give over to the chains now. There are many things that are legal that are not right. If you question what is legal or illegal to choose what actions to take, you outsource your conscience to the government and think you’re living a right life by living legally. However, you are tossed about by the whims of others to decide what is right and wrong, and what is right today will be wrong tomorrow, so fear increases and you lose peace not knowing what is right or wrong. When you take back your conscience and live accordingly, fear and uncertainty lose their grip on you. The one thing they can take from you is not guaranteed anyway – so why hold so tightly, hoping to save what is fleeting?
Do not buy into the lie that life is precious above all else. Life is not the most precious – relationships are: that with your Creator, yourself, and all those around you. Living in freedom and peace comes from living according to the right of those relationships. The state and those who wish to exert their will onto the rest to create some sort of social justice or fairness can only do so by restricting the self ownership of others. If you do not believe that someone else can choose for themselves, then doesn’t that open up the question as to whether or not you are able to choose for yourself? This does not give the license to treat others ill, given that what is most precious is not life, but relationship. And if you do not believe that people can live according to that tenant, then you are most likely correct. But really, is it better now? Ie – don’t we have a small group of people that we acquiesce authority to our selves on a daily basis? Stop being willing to exchange true and real freedom for an illusion and an absolution of decisions made by an authority other than you.
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This![](/s/thumbsup.gif)
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No one is ever truly free. Even the dead are not completely free. Freedom is a sucker word used by despots to con fools into working against their own best interests.
Alas, for cons like OP, this is NOT a theocracy, and the state does rule.
If you don't like it here, go live in a nice theocracy...like Iran.
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No one is ever truly free. Even the dead are not completely free. Freedom is a sucker word used by despots to con fools into working against their own best interests.
Alas, for cons like OP, this is NOT a theocracy, and the state does rule.
If you don't like it here, go live in a nice theocracy...like Iran.
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Better Iran than a police state theocracy (with nukes) like the state of Israel, eh Moshe?
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naprinciple
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Quote from amusicluvr:
No one is ever truly free. Even the dead are not completely free. Freedom is a sucker word used by despots to con fools into working against their own best interests.
Alas, for cons like OP, this is NOT a theocracy, and the state does rule.
If you don't like it here, go live in a nice theocracy...like Iran.
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True, because governments are ubiquitous, and we're all trained to believe they have the right to rule us.They go away when we quit believing their authority is legitimate.
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“Claim and defend your self-ownership for yourself and live it.” There are many things we can do for ourselves and not rely on the government or another person or organization for our lives and pursuit of happiness. There is no reason to overthrow a government you can simply ignore. Granted, there are some aspects that you ignore at your own peril. However, know what areas you are willing to practice civil disobedience in and at what cost, and just live your life. Ie. Can you get away without filing taxes? Meh – probably not. However, you can probably get away with doing as many transactions in the grey market as you are able. Finding local, like minded individuals to build a community and create a market exchange outside of state sanctioned sales / transactions would be a way of living one’s life rightly – albeit not necessarily legally.
When individuals stop looking to the state to determine right and wrong ie – legal or illegal to make decisions, we move closer to a free society. But you don’t need to live in a free society to be free. Nor do you have to live in fear. Life is short, and it is not guaranteed, if you live in fear of death, you hamstring your life and may as well give over to the chains now. There are many things that are legal that are not right. If you question what is legal or illegal to choose what actions to take, you outsource your conscience to the government and think you’re living a right life by living legally. However, you are tossed about by the whims of others to decide what is right and wrong, and what is right today will be wrong tomorrow, so fear increases and you lose peace not knowing what is right or wrong. When you take back your conscience and live accordingly, fear and uncertainty lose their grip on you. The one thing they can take from you is not guaranteed anyway – so why hold so tightly, hoping to save what is fleeting?
Do not buy into the lie that life is precious above all else. Life is not the most precious – relationships are: that with your Creator, yourself, and all those around you. Living in freedom and peace comes from living according to the right of those relationships. The state and those who wish to exert their will onto the rest to create some sort of social justice or fairness can only do so by restricting the self ownership of others. If you do not believe that someone else can choose for themselves, then doesn’t that open up the question as to whether or not you are able to choose for yourself? This does not give the license to treat others ill, given that what is most precious is not life, but relationship. And if you do not believe that people can live according to that tenant, then you are most likely correct. But really, is it better now? Ie – don’t we have a small group of people that we acquiesce authority to our selves on a daily basis? Stop being willing to exchange true and real freedom for an illusion and an absolution of decisions made by an authority other than you.
Well, no. Sorry. This is romantic, but not rational. It ignores facts within it's own stated subject area.
More than anything else, it assumes that "the State" is an entity entirely separate from the PEOPLE who it represents. That is only true in totalitarian dictatorships, established by conquerors.
The problem with the mess stated above, is that it is a formula for people who want to completely ignore the rest of the society's rights, sensibilities, causes, needs, and even their interactive function, with the person professing to follow it. It's the logic of the megalomaniac sociopath, not a champion of individual liberty and freedom within a society.
When individuals stop looking for what is right and wrong from all external functionaries, they declare themselves to be God on Earth. That is not acceptable for anyone who intends to live within reach of any other human beings.
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Test, outsourcing your morality to an outside source makes you a drone, not an individual.![](/s/levitation.gif)
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I never said anything of the kind. I pointed out that "morality" based entirely on your own whims, is no morality at all. Rejecting ALL outside concerns, is morally identical to accepting complete external guidance.
I agree with the OP that just being legal, doesn't insure morality. Especially these days, when certain people are trying to push a morality based entirely on business profits. But rejecting the entirety of law, doesn't solve that, it adds brand new problems.
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aquariankate
Springfield, MO
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I never said anything of the kind. I pointed out that "morality" based entirely on your own whims, is no morality at all. Rejecting ALL outside concerns, is morally identical to accepting complete external guidance.
I agree with the OP that just being legal, doesn't insure morality. Especially these days, when certain people are trying to push a morality based entirely on business profits. But rejecting the entirety of law, doesn't solve that, it adds brand new problems.
Doing what is right inline with maintaining your relationships isn't setting ones self up as God on earth - it's humbling yourself to hold yourself accountable to an objective right and wrong - not a subjective one.
It is easier to become a self-important, self-righteous megalomaniac by justifying your actions as adhering to the man-made dictates/laws than it is to hold yourself accountable to the natural law.
The point is to stop turning over your self ownership to others. Stop looking to others to "save" you. Doesn't matter who is passed the baton of presidency of this crumbling empire - we're in the same hand-basket headed to the same hell. The point is - you can live a free life outside of the circumstances / environment if you make the choice to...
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aquariankate
Springfield, MO
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Test, outsourcing your morality to an outside source makes you a drone, not an individual. ![](/s/levitation.gif)
Drone - zombie ... what they want us to be. ![](/s/coffee.gif)
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Quote from amusicluvr:
No one is ever truly free. Even the dead are not completely free. Freedom is a sucker word used by despots to con fools into working against their own best interests.
Alas, for cons like OP, this is NOT a theocracy, and the state does rule.
If you don't like it here, go live in a nice theocracy...like Iran.
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True, because governments are ubiquitous, and we're all trained to believe they have the right to rule us.They go away when we quit believing their authority is legitimate.
They do have the right to rule. When you do something about not recognizing their authority, YOU go away.
Study some History. What really changed after The French Revolution? Nothing...but the names, and titles, of the governing abusers, and the intensity of their abuse.. Former peasant farmers became Citizen Commissioners, and they were MORE abusive than the royals / nobles had been. Ditto after The Communist Revolution in Russia. Instead of Tsar Alexander, there was Commissar Stalin...who was worse. You can never live without government, as there will always be a strong man bully boy, or two, who will rule if no one else does. History proves it over, and over. Also, violently changing one government for another generally leaves you with a worse government than you started with. History proves it.The only exceptions to this general rule are those replacement governments founded by multiple geniuses, rather than the masses of idiots who generally do the revolting. YOU are NOT a genius, so you could not create a better government. Settle for what you have, or leave and go elsewhere.
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Is this guy a great America Patriot or what ? ![](/s/thumbsup.gif)
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US Government is a "Cheap Dog and Pony Show" - A FRAUD !
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What could possibly go wrong in a system whereby the pissants are forced to pay homage to the banksters by virtue of the "authority" of an illegitimate gubment???
God seems to be a better formula for success and freedom and joy than a bunch of c*ck-eyed crooks masquerading in suits!
Pay your homage motherf**ker...oops I mean taxes!
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What could possibly go wrong in a system whereby the pissants are forced to pay homage to the banksters by virtue of the "authority" of an illegitimate gubment???
God seems to be a better formula for success and freedom and joy than a bunch of c*ck-eyed crooks masquerading in suits!
Pay your homage motherf**ker...oops I mean taxes!
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* A bunch of c*ck-eyed crooks masquerading in suits!
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Doing what is right inline with maintaining your relationships isn't setting ones self up as God on earth - it's humbling yourself to hold yourself accountable to an objective right and wrong - not a subjective one.
It is easier to become a self-important, self-righteous megalomaniac by justifying your actions as adhering to the man-made dictates/laws than it is to hold yourself accountable to the natural law.
The point is to stop turning over your self ownership to others. Stop looking to others to "save" you. Doesn't matter who is passed the baton of presidency of this crumbling empire - we're in the same hand-basket headed to the same hell. The point is - you can live a free life outside of the circumstances / environment if you make the choice to...
If you are the ONLY one deciding what's right and wrong, that's NOT "objective." It's the very definition of SUBjective.
But again, I completely agree with you, that turning your morality over to others BLINDLY, is a mistake. My concern here, is that BLINDLY declaring that it's just as much a mistake to blindly discard what is or isn't legal, as it is to blindly follow it.
My advocacy, is for MINDFULNESS, and FULL PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. And it sure doesn't hurt to work to be aware and to understand the concerns of people who you disagree with, rather than simply discarding them as being outside your personal morality.
What the thrust of the opening post had in spades, was an excess of "me me me first"-ism. It's meant to address a problem that I very much agree needs to be addressed, but I think it went way overboard the other way. I saw the same thinking back in the 1970's and 1980's, and it led directly to a LOT of the corruption we are slogging through right now.
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And you can always believe Howard Stern, who never lies, and is-BTW-a Jew.
Right?
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This year’s unending batches of Wiki-leaked DNC/Hillary emails and Project Veritas undercover campaign videos confirm that the entire US political, as well as economic system, is morally and financially bankrupt, irreparably broken and in need of complete overhaul.
Voter fraud and election fraud are rampant. Soros funded electronic voting machines that are preprogrammed to vote for Hillary are operating in 16 key battleground states.
America’s internal house now is in total disarray, badly in need of a deep cleaning purge like never before. Mainstream media is strongly biased against Trump in its blind support for Hillary.
As Secretary of State she treasonously sold out our nation, placing us all at high security risk and under foreign interest control at the hands of high rolling bidders so she and her fat cats can get richer as fellow partners-in-crime from places like Saudi Arabia and Israel, destroying our once sovereign country while aiding, abetting, financing and supporting our enemies the global terrorists around the world.
She helped create ISIS and plans world war against Russia, China and Iran. The traitors in our government and their globalist puppet masters – the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the Bushes and Clintons all need to be rounded up, imprisoned and tried at The Hague for both treason and their endless crimes against humanity.
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mz_jeannie_baby
Rochester, MI
58, joined Sep. 2012
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“Claim and defend your self-ownership for yourself and live it.” There are many things we can do for ourselves and not rely on the government or another person or organization for our lives and pursuit of happiness. There is no reason to overthrow a government you can simply ignore. Granted, there are some aspects that you ignore at your own peril. However, know what areas you are willing to practice civil disobedience in and at what cost, and just live your life. Ie. Can you get away without filing taxes? Meh – probably not. However, you can probably get away with doing as many transactions in the grey market as you are able. Finding local, like minded individuals to build a community and create a market exchange outside of state sanctioned sales / transactions would be a way of living one’s life rightly – albeit not necessarily legally.
When individuals stop looking to the state to determine right and wrong ie – legal or illegal to make decisions, we move closer to a free society. But you don’t need to live in a free society to be free. Nor do you have to live in fear. Life is short, and it is not guaranteed, if you live in fear of death, you hamstring your life and may as well give over to the chains now. There are many things that are legal that are not right. If you question what is legal or illegal to choose what actions to take, you outsource your conscience to the government and think you’re living a right life by living legally. However, you are tossed about by the whims of others to decide what is right and wrong, and what is right today will be wrong tomorrow, so fear increases and you lose peace not knowing what is right or wrong. When you take back your conscience and live accordingly, fear and uncertainty lose their grip on you. The one thing they can take from you is not guaranteed anyway – so why hold so tightly, hoping to save what is fleeting?
Do not buy into the lie that life is precious above all else. Life is not the most precious – relationships are: that with your Creator, yourself, and all those around you. Living in freedom and peace comes from living according to the right of those relationships. The state and those who wish to exert their will onto the rest to create some sort of social justice or fairness can only do so by restricting the self ownership of others. If you do not believe that someone else can choose for themselves, then doesn’t that open up the question as to whether or not you are able to choose for yourself? This does not give the license to treat others ill, given that what is most precious is not life, but relationship. And if you do not believe that people can live according to that tenant, then you are most likely correct. But really, is it better now? Ie – don’t we have a small group of people that we acquiesce authority to our selves on a daily basis? Stop being willing to exchange true and real freedom for an illusion and an absolution of decisions made by an authority other than you.
With freedom comes responsibility then consequences from choices the so called 'free' person makes.
Not every decision made by a person with the right to do so was good for the society as a whole.
IF you believe your decisions do not affect others, you're dead wrong.
the bolded sentence above bites you. we wouldn't even be talking about social justice if the so called 'self-ownership first' people were without greed and profit margins as the end to all ends.
in that case, they certainly were not concerned about persons at all, simply the almighty $.
For those that don't live the difference between self interest and self indulgence, government has intervened. Not everyone is conniving.
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BS -- self-ownership is inherent.
When one permits manipulation of one's self-ownership that person waives their rights to self-ownership.
Once that prescedent has been established there is no reversal remedy to rectify the voluntary surrender of self-ownership.
Case in point: Do you have a Social Security card?
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And you can always believe Howard Stern, who never lies, and is-BTW-a Jew.
Right?
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You can always believe the Hellarys lies... because their always REAL LIES !
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BS -- self-ownership is inherent.
When one permits manipulation of one's self-ownership that person waives their rights to self-ownership.
Once that prescedent has been established there is no reversal remedy to rectify the voluntary surrender of self-ownership.
Case in point: Do you have a Social Security card?
Are you making the claim that if ANY laws are obeyed, that the individual automatically becomes 100% entirely incapable of ANY so-called "self-ownership?"
In other words, anyone who was given a Social Security number when they were born, in your eyes, has no right or ability to make any decisions for themselves?
If this is NOT what you are trying to say, please state specifically what you ARE trying to say.
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If you own yourself, you also own the production of your labor. Taxes and self ownership are antithetical.
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aquariankate
Springfield, MO
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If you own yourself, you also own the production of your labor. Taxes and self ownership are antithetical.
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Are you making the claim that if ANY laws are obeyed, that the individual automatically becomes 100% entirely incapable of ANY so-called "self-ownership?"
In other words, anyone who was given a Social Security number when they were born, in your eyes, has no right or ability to make any decisions for themselves?
If this is NOT what you are trying to say, please state specifically what you ARE trying to say.
We are permitted to make any and all choices for ourselves, up to and until, the government decides it knows better. This is not freedom, it's free range slavery with privileges.![](/s/no-216.gif)
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11/1/2016 5:07:25 PM |
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longbobby
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Lufkin, TX
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'We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good".
Who said that?
Hillary Clinton or Adolf Hitler?
Hillary Clinton Or Hitler? *Street Interview*
Published on Oct 30, 2016
Chick flips out over Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton or Adolph Hitler?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud_MQi79VwU
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11/1/2016 5:11:45 PM |
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aquariankate
Springfield, MO
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Are you making the claim that if ANY laws are obeyed, that the individual automatically becomes 100% entirely incapable of ANY so-called "self-ownership?"
In other words, anyone who was given a Social Security number when they were born, in your eyes, has no right or ability to make any decisions for themselves?
If this is NOT what you are trying to say, please state specifically what you ARE trying to say.
Now that's just foolish. Why are you taking the extreme completely illogical argument that if you agree that a law is right and just, and so you follow it - then you are giving up your self-ownership? That does not logically follow. Correlation is not causation. The point of following the law is that it is right and just, not that it is the law.
The whole point of the post is to point out that we do not need to be granted certain freedoms in order to be free. That we are by nature free, and only by the submission of our choice / free will to that of another entity or organization do we lose that freedom. You can choose to say that you have no choice. But that is a cop out and a lie. You don't like the ramifications of your choice, and so you choose otherwise - and that is fine. The point is to not project your choices onto anyone else. Live your life. Make your choices. Live with the consequences of those choices.
Stop waiting for the perfect candidate or individual to come along to make things better. Live better now.
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11/1/2016 8:50:02 PM |
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If you own yourself, you also own the production of your labor. Taxes and self ownership are antithetical.
Your stand against all taxes is well established. But that aside, your statement above makes no logical sense. Not meaning to attack you, just point out that someone who is "self-owning" CAN purchase things. And taxes are a way to purchase government services.
Now I would say, that when agreeing to ANY contract, including forming a government, is a tricky business, and the "devil" often shows up in overlooked "details." Not all governments are equal, and most vary over time, in how responsive to their nominal "owners."
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11/1/2016 8:56:53 PM |
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Your stand against all taxes is well established. But that aside, your statement above makes no logical sense. Not meaning to attack you, just point out that someone who is "self-owning" CAN purchase things. And taxes are a way to purchase government services.
Now I would say, that when agreeing to ANY contract, including forming a government, is a tricky business, and the "devil" often shows up in overlooked "details." Not all governments are equal, and most vary over time, in how responsive to their nominal "owners."
We don't get a choice whether to "Purchase" government or not, thus it isn't the act of self-ownership, exercising free will.
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11/2/2016 12:04:39 PM |
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Springfield, VA
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We don't get a choice whether to "Purchase" government or not, thus it isn't the act of self-ownership, exercising free will.
Don't be absurd. Of course you have a choice whether to "purchase" government or not. You can choose the government you have; you can rebel against it and either overthrow it or go to prison; you can emigrate to a country you like better; or you can live on the run as a criminal.
What you can't do, is what you seem to want, which is to take government on an a-la-carte basis.
You want the sidewalks, and the clean air and water, the ability to negotiate for better products and services without owning and paying your own personal army, and the relative safety from foreign invasion that comes from government...but you don't want to pay for any of it. You want to pretend that all of that happens by magic, and would happen even with no government, despite the thousands of years of available history proving the exact opposite.
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11/2/2016 3:42:35 PM |
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aquariankate
Springfield, MO
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Don't be absurd. Of course you have a choice whether to "purchase" government or not. You can choose the government you have; you can rebel against it and either overthrow it or go to prison; you can emigrate to a country you like better; or you can live on the run as a criminal.
What you can't do, is what you seem to want, which is to take government on an a-la-carte basis.
You want the sidewalks, and the clean air and water, the ability to negotiate for better products and services without owning and paying your own personal army, and the relative safety from foreign invasion that comes from government...but you don't want to pay for any of it. You want to pretend that all of that happens by magic, and would happen even with no government, despite the thousands of years of available history proving the exact opposite.
Tariffs and transactional taxes - ie - sales taxes / consumption taxes are acceptable, I believe. What is not acceptable is taxing what is a product of me / my labor. What's even worse is the triple and quadruple dipping that happens. - Tax my income, tax my property, tax my purchases - it's beyond any level of sanity. Moreover the argument that you want to have roads, clean air, education, etc... is a fallacy. The private sector can provide all of these items (and has historically) more effectively than any bureaucratic government.
You don't want to opt for living free, because you're afraid of the big bad wolf of evil men. However, who works in government? Well - maybe they seem alien at times, but they are every bit as human and evil as your neighbor. ![](/s/brick-wall-017.gif)
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11/2/2016 4:59:26 PM |
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Tariffs and transactional taxes - ie - sales taxes / consumption taxes are acceptable, I believe. What is not acceptable is taxing what is a product of me / my labor. What's even worse is the triple and quadruple dipping that happens. - Tax my income, tax my property, tax my purchases - it's beyond any level of sanity. Moreover the argument that you want to have roads, clean air, education, etc... is a fallacy. The private sector can provide all of these items (and has historically) more effectively than any bureaucratic government.
You don't want to opt for living free, because you're afraid of the big bad wolf of evil men. However, who works in government? Well - maybe they seem alien at times, but they are every bit as human and evil as your neighbor. ![](/s/brick-wall-017.gif)
You are entirely mistaken.
Any and all taxes are annoying, and are more of a burden to some than to others. The reason why there are all sorts of taxes and fees (taxes in disguise), is that no one likes them. So when more is required from government, OR when private industry causes the cost of government to rise, people in charge look for new ways to make voters feel less upset about additional costs.
Some people have actually proposed to replace all existing taxes, with a Federal sales tax. One problem with that, is that the transition from where we are, to paying for everything through sales taxes, would be akin to having a Tsunami rush across the country. Pricing for EVERYTHING would have to change, and as people paying for raw materials start passing on the taxes to the producers, the cost points of everything downstream of those resources will shift.
EVERYTHING will accordingly cost you more. Everyone would have to rethink and recalculate how much is enough to charge for what they do, in order to pay all the now much higher prices, in addition to THEIR share of transactional taxes. Hence, everyone's LABOR costs will have to rise. Depending on how it's done,
there will be an even greater rush to outsource even more work elsewhere, to avoid the labor increases.
And of course at the bottom of it all, the elderly and the poor, and the handicapped, who CAN'T increase their incomes, will find they can no longer afford to do things like eat.
As for your claim that private industry has done a better and cheaper job of building roads and other infrastructure, that's entirely nonsense. There has never been an instance in all of human history, where a society managed to thrive with ONLY private roads.
The so-called "bureaucracy" that causes things like roads to cost more, isn't due to anything magical about government doing things instead of private industry. It is due to opponents of the projects, insisting on twice as much accounting as is actually needed, and to various politicians insisting that private industries get a "cut" whether they deserve it or not.
The reason why any nation that has interstate highways systems has them, and therefore has more effective trade balances and agreements, is because they were built BY THE STATES. There are zero places where large scale communications and transportation systems were set up, by ONLY private industries.
As for the sense that you are being retaxed, there's no avoiding that. As I mentioned above, when you tax transactions, you tax the same thing every time it moves from one owner to the next.
In addition, many times when it SEEMS that you are being taxed twice, it's actually that you are being taxed ONCE, but by different authorities, for different reasons.
I'm not arguing in favor of any particular way of paying for government here. I am arguing against fooling yourself into thinking that you aren't getting anything for the taxes you pay, or that you aren't getting a relative steal of a deal.
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