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Jesus is not the founder of your cult-sect.

The [Catholics] follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous. -Joseph Goebbels

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Nazis---in favor of eugenics. The Urantia Book---in favor of eugenics. Catholic Church---opposed to eugenics.




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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Nazis---in favor of eugenics. The Urantia Book---in favor of eugenics. Catholic Church---opposed to eugenics.


The cathlick church is opposed to the improvement of the human race and the human condition.

YOu just said it.

You're a sick man, Lud. Please get some help.

Have you ever tried Transcendental Meditation? It's very easy and it's good for what ails you.





[Edited 1/26/2017 3:26:32 PM ]

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ludlowlowell
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The Catholic Church and the Urantia Book and the Nazi Party would like to improve the human race. But how?

Nazi method: sterilize all who fall below a certain standard (eugenics). Urantia Book method: same as the Nazi method. Catholic method: invite people to become followers of Jesus Christ, the Light and Savior of the world, so that people can be rejuvenated, reformed, and purified.

"Come to me, all ye who are burdened, and I will refresh you."

--Jesus Christ, Savior of the world and Founder of the Catholic Church (Matthew 11:28)



[Edited 1/26/2017 5:07:08 PM ]

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Shy, the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. How is that treachery and deceit?


The cathlick cult-sect was not founded by Jesus. That's how.

The [Catholics] follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous. -Joseph Goebbels

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The Catholic Church and the Urantia Book and the Nazi Party would like to improve the human race. But how?

Nazi method: sterilize all who fall below a certain standard (eugenics). Urantia Book method: same as the Nazi method.


You are truly one of the most ignorant, sick, evil men I have ever known. You have not read The Urantia Book, and even your pope calls out what you do, "dirtying the other" as calumny and disinformation, evil. Your own pope says you do evil.

"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -pope Francis

Catholic method: invite people to become followers of Jesus Christ, the Light and Savior of the world, so that people can be rejuvenated, reformed, and purified.

"Come to me, all ye who are burdened, and I will refresh you."


What version is that? There's only 13 words in your version. There's 17 words in the King James. Did you just write it from memory again as you are wont to do, paraphrasing?

Becoming "followers of Jesus Christ" as you say won't cure Muscular Dystrophy. And YOU yourself don't even love God, according to Jesus, because you refuse to obey Him.

"If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23)
"He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24)

"Why call ye me, [Jesus Christ, the Light and Savior of the world], and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

--Jesus Christ, Savior of the world and Founder of the Catholic Church (Matthew 11:28)
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ludlowlowell
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Joseph Goebbels, raised Catholic, fallen away Catholic, believer in eugenics. "Followjesusonly", raised Catholic, fallen away Catholic, believer in eugenics.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Joseph Goebbels, raised Catholic, fallen away Catholic, believer in eugenics. "Followjesusonly", raised Catholic, fallen away Catholic, believer in eugenics.


Actively and deliberately, with one's own God given free will, leaving Catholicism, does not make one a "fallen away cathlick." Fallen away are those too lazy or drunk to continue with the religion. People who deliberately cut ties with the cathlick abomination are not "fallen away" from your pitiful church with its pitiful mind games.

Jesus says:
"If ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Mat 6:14)

But you say:
"God does NOT forgive everyone who forgives others. God forgives repentant sinners only. All others He punished very severely."

Jesus says: "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6

But you say: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.

You are surely Satan's mouthpiece.

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Okay, how's this? Joseph Goebbels (and Adolf Hitler), ex-Catholic, eugenics believers. "Followsjesusonly", ex-Catholic, eugenics believer.

True or false?

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Okay, how's this? Joseph Goebbels (and Adolf Hitler), ex-Catholic, eugenics believers. "Followsjesusonly", ex-Catholic, eugenics believer.

True or false?


Whatever sort of "eugenics" or whatever it was that they called "eugenics" has nothing to do with me or with the real desire to help mankind which is what eugenics really is. Yes, I am a believer in the idea that we can and should do what we can to improve the human race and better the human condition. I have no particular idea what their (Goebbels and Hitler) ideas were but I think they were confined to the German people/nation/race for the most part. Anyway, we put a stop to all of their nonsense.

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ludlowlowell
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The Nazis claimed they were helping mankind, too.

Eugenics is evil. Wake up and recognize this.

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followjesusonly
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Whatever the Nazis claimed has nothing to do with me.

Wake up, like Paul said, become as an adult. Grow up. Stop repeating your same lies and "dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil" as your pope says.

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Lud, you must stop dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil.

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Do you think Pope Francis believes in eugenics?

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Do you think Pope Francis believes in eugenics?


Yes, I would say that pope Francis probably believes in trying to improve the human race and the human condition.

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I think it's a safe bet a liberal like Pope Francis is dead set against eugenics and racism.

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Yes, I would say that pope Francis probably believes in trying to improve the human race and the human condition.

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As far as "racism" goes, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't discriminate against anyone, and you can't show otherwise.

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Quote from followjesusonly:
As far as "racism" goes, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't discriminate against anyone, and you can't show otherwise.


Good. A good first step. A good second step---throw away your racist eugenicist Urantia Book.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Good. A good first step. A good second step---throw away your racist eugenicist Urantia Book.


It's not a first step, and as soon as you read it, and not before, I'll know that you have some idea of what you're talking about. Until then, not so much.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Good. A good first step. A good second step---throw away your racist eugenicist Urantia Book.

Have you not actually read the Bible, Ludlow? How is it you appear not to know that the Bible is rampant with God supposedly ordering the destruction of nations and the slaughter of men, women, children and infants he supposedly found displeasure with so the Israelites could prosper?

The Urantia Book does not advocate the killing of anyone and its single statement about the desirability of mankind to control the reproduction of the "more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks" of the human race is left solely in the hands of mankind to decide if and when mankind ever does.

You are a sick, arrogant and blasphemous man, Ludlow, who truly appears to enjoy your depravity.

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Quote from kb2222:
The Urantia Book does not advocate the killing of anyone and its single statement about the desirability of mankind to control the reproduction of the "more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks" of the human race is left solely in the hands of mankind to decide if and when mankind ever does.


That's about as perfect a summation as I have ever seen. Thanks for it. I'm going to save it.

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Bible: says unrepentant sinners will be punished.

Urantia Book: says handicapped people should be punished.

And you guys actually prefer the Urantia Book???!!!???

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The UB doesn't say "handicapped people should be punished."

You are a sick, lying, arrogant and blasphemous man, Ludlow, who truly appears to enjoy your depravity.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Bible: says unrepentant sinners will be punished.

Urantia Book: says handicapped people should be punished.

And you guys actually prefer the Urantia Book???!!!???


You are a liar and you are doing evil, as your pope says.

What page does The Urantia Book say that handicapped people should be punished?

You need to go to confession and confess that you are a serial liar and that you can't help it. Ask your priest to recommend a psychiatrist for you so that you can try to overcome your compulsion to lie.

Are you unable to keep yourself from lying? Were you born that way? Does lying run in your family? Was your father a liar? Does your father's name start with "Sa..."?

"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -pope Francis

You do evil.

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followjesusonly
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Analysis of a serial, compulsive liar.

Ludlow said: "Urantia Book: says handicapped people should be punished."

And Ludlow said: "Urantia Book: says the "inferior" and "degenerate" people, who were born that way, should be punished."

These two statements are pure lies. How do we know they are lies? We know because Ludlow has not read The Urantia Book and cannot produce a page where The Urantia Book says anyone should be punished.

Thus, in order to make the statement, lie, Ludlow has to make it up out of thin air. And he did that. He has no compunctions about making up lies. None. If he needs a lie, he will just make it up and smear it on the wall. Such people are known as sociopaths.

His own pope says that Ludlow does evil.

"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -pope Francis

Ludlow dirties the other with calumny and with disinformation (lies), exactly as pope Francis says.

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People who believe in eugenics believe that handicapped people shouldn't be allowed to have children, or in extreme cases such as the Nazi eugenicists, eugenicists believe handicapped people should be exterminated.

Eugenics is evil.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
People who believe in eugenics believe that handicapped people shouldn't be allowed to have children, or in extreme cases such as the Nazi eugenicists, eugenicists believe handicapped people should be exterminated.

Eugenics is evil.


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You talk like a five year old. You have little or no comprehension of the world. Surely not an adult's understanding. Your understanding of the world is childish and immature.

Your church is evil. And YOU do evil with your lies and calumny and misinformation. Your leader says so, you with all of your "false certainties" as pope Francis says.

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If one has the answers to all the questions - that is the proof that God is not with him. It means that he is a false prophet using religion for himself. The great leaders of the people of God, like Moses, have always left room for doubt. You must leave room for the Lord, not for our certainties; we must be humble. -Pope Francis


You have all the answers, or so you think. You must leave room for the Lord, not for your certainties.

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I get my certainties from the Lord, and from the Church that the Lord founded.

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You don't get anything from the Lord. You have said as much before. You get everything from your church and it has confused you by conflating itself with God. You don't even love the Lord enough to obey Him. The Lord will not give any "certainties" to anyone who refuses to obey Him. I submit that you are getting "certainties" from Satan. You work against God and you don't like the leadership of your own church. That spells malcontent.

And Jesus didn't found your church. And you don't even like the alleged "Vicar of Christ" on earth who is in charge of your church. You are a malcontent.

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I certainly never said I don't get snyrging from the Lord. All we have, spiritually and materially, ultimately comes to us from the Lord.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I certainly never said I don't get snyrging from the Lord. All we have, spiritually and materially, ultimately comes to us from the Lord.


What in the hell is "snyrging"? No, seriously, I cant' even guess at that one.

You have indicated that you get all your stuff from the church, leaving no room for the Spirit of Truth to operate in your mind. You have criticized those who go to the Spirit of Truth because they do not instantly all believe the same thing as you say all cathlicks do, though clearly you don't believe everything Louie believes and you don't believe everything pope Francis believes.

In any case, I don't think the Lord or the Spirit of Truth will grace anyone with "snyrging" (whatever it is) if they don't love God enough to obey Him in such simple matters as not calling priests, "Father" and praying to God only.

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Quote from indianadave1951:
There's a European travel program on PBS that I enjoy watching. Among the many cultural features that are shown are Church's and Church artwork. The majority of artwork found in Church's in Spain, Italy and France center on Mary first and secondly saints. At the end of programs featuring these countries it leaves me with the impression that Mary and saints are significantly more important to Roman Catholics than Jesus.

The old saying "actions speak louder than words" would say Mary is the center of Roman Catholic Church life as shown in their Church artwork.


Good post. It makes since because the undesirable affect of the forbidden fruit-private property is to distort the natural role of the female to impart nurture. Any effort to circumvent the nature or command would not surprisingly include tactics to champion the resultant harlots and beasts. The Vatican is the result of a treacherous and cunning attempt to circumvent our natural destiny as a community of one. The Vatican encourages and prolongs the divisions and rife of private property capitalism and does so in blatant contradiction to ancient scripture and the teaching of Jesus.

Lud, not. Chuckle.

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Quote from followjesusonly:
What in the hell is "snyrging"? No, seriously, I cant' even guess at that one.

You have indicated that you get all your stuff from the church, leaving no room for the Spirit of Truth to operate in your mind. You have criticized those who go to the Spirit of Truth because they do not instantly all believe the same thing as you say all cathlicks do, though clearly you don't believe everything Louie believes and you don't believe everything pope Francis believes.

In any case, I don't think the Lord or the Spirit of Truth will grace anyone with "snyrging" (whatever it is) if they don't love God enough to obey Him in such simple matters as not calling priests, "Father" and praying to God only.


The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, led me to the truth. Truth is found in the Catholic Church, the "pillar and ground of truth" (I Timothy 3:15).

"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

--Jesus (John 8:32)



[Edited 1/30/2017 12:14:10 PM ]

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followjesusonly
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I Timothy 3:15 doesn't mention your particular sect of Christianity.

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ludlowlowell
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I wouldn't call the Catholic Church a sect. I would call it the One True Church of Jesus Christ, the Church founded by Christ.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
I wouldn't call the Catholic Church a sect. I would call it the One True Church of Jesus Christ, the Church founded by Christ.


I know what you would call it, but whatever you would call it, 1 Timothy 3:15 doesn't mention it.

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