Is The Fig Tree Israel?

2/11/2017 11:23:04 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Christianity has seen many false religions branch off of her. These many false religions have tried and failed to replace Christianity. Preterism is just another one that will sputter out and die like the rest. Quote from mindya: The dispensational claim that the fig tree spoken of in the above refers to the nation of Is.rael in 1948, 1967 or some other date is based on zero evidence and is a "theological invention". The "above" is now below... CLV Lk 21:29 And He told them a parable: Perceive the fig-tree and all the trees. 30 Whenever they should be already budding, you, observing for yourselves, know it is because summer is already near. 31 Thus you also, whenever you may be perceiving these things occurring, know that near is the kingdom of God. 32 Verily, I am saying to you that by no means may this generation be passing by till all should be occurring. Quote from mindya: "The fig tree pictures Is.rael politically" - no it does not - it was referring to signs accompanying the destruction of Jerusalem in the 1st century AD. mindya seems to think that these verses were spoken to the apostles. I am not sure how he got that idea. The temple might have been destroyed but the Jews were not. And we can see by his past performance that he is not very good at interpreting the Bible. There is no reason to believe that the fig tree here in not Israel/the Jews. All we have as evidence is his word for it. That sure sounds like zero evidence to me. Not very reliable. Quote from mindya: The YOU is referring to the apostles - did anybody see John, Peter or Paul in Jerusalem in 1948 or 1967? Nope. I am not sure why he would think that John, Paul, or Peter would be in Jerusalem in 1948. The "YOU(p)" is NOT referring to the apostles, but to Israel. The "(p)" after the YOU indicates plural. This tells us that He was speaking about a group of people. We really don't have a plural form of "you." There are some variations. If you're from Chicago, you might say 'yous guys." If you're from the south, you might say "yall." or as Jeff Foxworthy said, "all yall." I take it that it wouldn't be too strange to see Jews in Jerusalem in 1948 and in 1967? From Adam Clarke... Verse 32 Learn a parable of the fig-tree - That is, These signs which I have given you will be as infallible a proof of the approaching ruin of the Jewish state as the budding of the trees is a proof of the coming summer. https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc.html As anyone can see who actually reads the text, the gospels speak of the Jews both before and after these verses. Not the apostles. So if you pay attention to the context, this story is about political Israel. So as long as mindya is still using Adam Clarke, I must remind us all that Adam Clarke is NOT a preterist and does not agree with mindya's wild theories about the prophecies in the Bible having been all fulfilled. So mindya is wrong on two counts here. More from A. E. Knoch... And then, without further explanation, He spoke the parable of The Fruitless Fig Tree. Three years had He been dressing the fig tree and still there was no fruit. Three years had He been calling upon the nation to repent and bring forth the fruits of repentance, but He found none. One more chance would He give it. This is recorded in the book of Acts. But even this effort failed. The fig tree has been cut down. The call to repentance failed to bring about the Kingdom. The second parable of The Wild Fig Tree (or "sycamine" Luke 17:3-6) is like the first, but views the subject from a different standpoint. After considering the conduct which He would have them show a repentant brother, they request their Lord, "Increase our faith." And their Lord replies, "If you had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this wild fig tree, `Be thou plucked up by the roots, and be thou planted in the sea;' and it should obey you." Israel, politically, is figured by a fig tree; Rome is the wild fig tree. The fruit of this wild fig or mulberry tree is an insipid imitation of the good fig tree, eaten only by the poorest classes (Amos 7:14). So Roman world-wide dominion had the appearance of that Kingdom which will bear the sweet fruits of righteousness. Its soft, brittle timber was a poor substitute for the princely cedars, though it did ape the semblance of the cedar's imperial majesty (Isa.9:10). It warms my heart to know that I have been educating mindya. He uses the CLV and Mr. Knoch's material more and more these days. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
2/12/2017 12:10:09 AM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
lmfc7_9 Mexico City Mexico 33, joined Oct. 2016	So is 'Rome the wild fig tree' the European Union and also the Vatican???.
2/12/2017 9:33:20 AM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	I don't see the Vatican in prophecy. I know it is such a glaring reality in our world. But evidently, God does not consider it a threat to His truth.
2/12/2017 10:29:47 AM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
indianadave1951 Mishawaka, IN 66, joined Dec. 2010	Matthew 24: 32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Jesus was using the fig tree to indicate spring. He could have use any number of trees that blossom in the spring. Matthew 24: 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel In order for the anti-Christ to be standing in the holy place the holy place will have to be rebuilt. The anti-Christ is the main sign stated by Jesus as to the blossoming fig tree. --------------------------- While Rome is not directly mentioned in The Revelation, Mystery Babylon the Great is said to sit on seven hills and Rome sits on seven hills. Of course, this doesn't prove that Rome is Mystery Babylon the Great.
2/12/2017 3:00:06 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from indianadave1951: While Rome is not directly mentioned in The Revelation, Mystery Babylon the Great is said to sit on seven hills and Rome sits on seven hills. Of course, this doesn't prove that Rome is Mystery Babylon the Great. I don't see Rome in the Scriptures prophecy. It will be destroyed along with all the other nations of the world when Jesus returns.
2/12/2017 4:46:19 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
lmfc7_9 Mexico City Mexico 33, joined Oct. 2016	Quote from lmfc7_9: So is 'Rome the wild fig tree' the European Union???. ???.
2/12/2017 4:47:30 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
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2/12/2017 4:48:13 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
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2/12/2017 5:16:47 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
lmfc7_9 Mexico City Mexico 33, joined Oct. 2016	'indianadave1951', is the 'Rome' of this topic by 'bigd' the European Union today, from what you know???.
2/12/2017 7:31:46 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
indianadave1951 Mishawaka, IN 66, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from lmfc7_9: 'indianadave1951', is the 'Rome' of this topic by 'bigd' the European Union today, from what you know???. Some believe it is however, Revelation 17: 9 This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10. They are also seven kings...... The "THEY" refers back to the seven heads and seven hills of verse 9. 1. Seven kings of a coming empire? 2. Seven past empires? It all depends on what the seven hills represent. [Edited 2/12/2017 7:32:25 PM ]
2/12/2017 8:22:11 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	I suppose I am confused about what you mean by Rome. The Vatican/the Catholic church The Rome of old Rome today I meant that I don't see the Catholic church in prophecy.
2/12/2017 8:39:08 PM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
indianadave1951 Mishawaka, IN 66, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from bigd9832: I suppose I am confused about what you mean by Rome. The Vatican/the Catholic church The Rome of old Rome today I meant that I don't see the Catholic church in prophecy. Most evangelicals believe that the RCC is Mystery Babylon The Great. As I showed in my previous post I'm not completely convinced of this. Mystery Babylon The Great will be spiritual, economic and have a political side. Personally I don't think we really know. Two hundred years ago many Churches discounted the idea of a modern state of Israel. One of those things that God will allow enlightenment on as the time comes closer.
2/13/2017 1:08:15 AM	Is The Fig Tree Israel?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from indianadave1951: Most evangelicals believe that the RCC is Mystery Babylon The Great. Most evangelicals depend on the KJV, which is translated and interpreted from modern and not ancient manuscripts. So it is not surprising that they didn't get it right. See my thread about the prophecies that have been fulfilled... The Prophecies That Have Already Been Fulfilled https://DateHookup.dating/Thread-1289179.htm

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