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looptex1
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Looptex, are you of the opinion that all persons who lived before Christ came went to firey Hell forever, including Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, David, Elijah, Moses, Enoch, Isaiah, and both Josephs?
no, they were kept in prison as the scriptures say.
And christ went and preached unto them, as the scriptures say.
They had to come just as we do, through christ, through the door, not by any other way, just as the scriptures say.
It's way to deep for you to understand, but there was some books, that kept record of those who adhered to the law, their righteousness was of the law.
And according to the scriptures, if a righteous man turned from his righteousness, his righteousness would not be remembered.
And just the same with those who turned from their wickedness and began to do righteous, their wickedness would not be remembered.
Moses himself asked God one time when God was angry with israel, blot him out of the book but spare the people.

This book or books, are the same books you see John speak of.
And the books were opened and the dead were judged according to their works, and another book was open which is the book life. And those not found in the book of life were cast into hell.

Those books, where people were judged by their works, those were those of the old covenant and the law.
If they kept the law, they were preserved until the day of christ that they might by the gospel be judged as men in the flesh but live according to God in the spirit.

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ludlowlowell
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We're all sent to prison, to waot for the coming of the Messiah, or did the unrepentant go to firey Hell?

The Catholic belief is that repentant sinners did go to a kind of prison, more like a waiting room, sometimes called Limbo of the Fathers, called by Jesus and the Jews of His day Abraham's Bosom. Souls there waited until Christ died, and when He died, He went to that place, and when He ascended into Heaven, those souls ascended with Him.

Unrepentant sinners before the time of Christ? They went to firey Hell where they will stay for all eternity, just like unrepentant sinners now. When Christ came most probably they didn't even know it.

Do you agree with some or all of this, Loop?



[Edited 3/24/2017 10:54:43 AM ]

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looptex1
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
We're all sent to prison, to waot for the coming of the Messiah, or did the unrepentant go to firey Hell?

The Catholic belief is that repentant sinners did go to a kind of prison, more like a waiting room, sometimes called Limbo of the Fathers, called by Jesus and the Jews of His day Abraham's Bosom. Souls there waited until Christ died, and when He died, He went to that place, and when He ascended into Heaven, those souls ascended with Him.

Unrepentant sinners before the time of Christ? They went to firey Hell where they will stay for all eternity, just like unrepentant sinners now. When Christ came most probably they didn't even know it.

Do you agree with some or all of this, Loop?
yes, I agree with that.

It's a lot more complicated than that, but I agree.

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freegratis
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Quote from kb2222:
That is clearly not God talking at Psalm 95:11. The Bible is full of inconsistencies and contradictions and rampant with the killing of people for all sorts of absurd reasons so why do you professed "Christians" pretend its all Gods inerrant truth/word. Do you actually believe God is some kind of a fickle double-minded God that has a blood lust that delights in ordering man to kill people for Him regardless of what Jesus taught?


Psalm 95:11 and Hebrews 4 are linked. Holy men of old spoke as the Holy Spirit moved them. 2 Peter 1:21

Or you can just throw it all out KB; you have your Urantia book. Maybe you are part of the delusion in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

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kb2222
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Quote from freegratis:
Psalm 95:11 and Hebrews 4 are linked. Holy men of old spoke as the Holy Spirit moved them. 2 Peter 1:21

Or you can just throw it all out KB; you have your Urantia book. Maybe you are part of the delusion in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

Obviously you can't speak without the help of the bible. Stop referring to various scriptures and make whatever "honest" point you are trying to make in your own words.

Maybe in your case your mind is so warped by church doctrine you don't know its not righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake if they don't believe as you do. If so, its for SURE you are NOT following the teachings of Jesus, freegratis, so don't fool yourself.



[Edited 3/24/2017 2:03:17 PM ]

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ludlowlowell
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If Catholics quote from the Bible, they are helplessly dependant on the Bible. If Catholics appeal to the Oral Tradition (2 Thessalonians 2:15), to historical writings, or to common sense, the oh, Catholics don't read the Bible!

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kb2222
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Your post misrepresents the facts, makes false claims, is pretty much nonsensical and is nothing more than a contrived LIE. Why do you lie so much, Ludlow?

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ludlowlowell
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I tell the truth.

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kb2222
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You have the mind of Satan. The truth means nothing to you if it doesn't serve your self-serving mind.

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freegratis
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Quote from kb2222:
Obviously you can't speak without the help of the bible. Stop referring to various scriptures and make whatever "honest" point you are trying to make in your own words.

Maybe in your case your mind is so warped by church doctrine you don't know its not righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake if they don't believe as you do. If so, its for SURE you are NOT following the teachings of Jesus, freegratis, so don't fool yourself.


Then the next guy will say, "the bible doesn't say that, you are just speaking your opinion." I'll try to remember who I am speaking to.

Seriously KB, what is the final authority in your mind? Can we test a claim here on Earth today and say whether it is true or false?

The final authority in my mind is the bible.

I think Lud would answer that it is the RCC.

Is it the Urantia Book for you KB?

Hebrews 4:3 NKJV
So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest

Psalm 95:11
So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.

My point? Go back to the first post.

I believe that God wants us to stop boasting in our works, and instead boast in His finished work.

That is your REST even here on Earth, before we go to rest in God's Heaven.


I did hope tnteacher101 would address the topic, but I don't think he ever stopped by.

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freegratis
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
If Catholics quote from the Bible, they are helplessly dependant on the Bible. If Catholics appeal to the Oral Tradition (2 Thessalonians 2:15), to historical writings, or to common sense, the oh, Catholics don't read the Bible!


I think I know what you mean. Lean more to the bible though.

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kb2222
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@ freegratis

The final authority in my mind and in the mind of all those who have grasped their son/daughter ship with God is God, freegratis. Certainly not the contents of a book compiled by historically murderous popes claiming moral and spiritual infallibility proclaim to be all Gods word/truth no matter what it says or what Jesus taught.

Tell me do you actually believe it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for being non-believers, cursing their parents, working on the Sabbath, not being a virgin on their wedding day or not listening to the priest, or being the son of a sinner, etc., etc.? And do you actually believe that is what Jesus would order man to do, freegratis?

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freegratis
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Quote from kb2222:
@ freegratis

The final authority in my mind and in the mind of all those who have grasped their son/daughter ship with God is God, freegratis. Certainly not the contents of a book compiled by historically murderous popes claiming moral and spiritual infallibility proclaim to be all Gods word/truth no matter what it says or what Jesus taught.

Tell me do you actually believe it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for being non-believers, cursing their parents, working on the Sabbath, not being a virgin on their wedding day or not listening to the priest, or being the son of a sinner, etc., etc.? And do you actually believe that is what Jesus would order man to do, freegratis?


Yes, you are right. God is the final authority.

I mean, "since you see God face to face daily". What is available to us today now here on Earth?

State a claim and how can we test it?

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kb2222
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Why don't you answer my two questions?

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freegratis
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Quote from kb2222:
Why don't you answer my two questions?


You never answered my two questions:
Seriously KB, what is the final authority in your mind? Can we test a claim here on Earth today and say whether it is true or false?

Yes God is the final authority. How do we ask God so we can test a claim here on Earth today?

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kb2222
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Quote from freegratis:
You never answered my two questions:
Seriously KB, what is the final authority in your mind? Can we test a claim here on Earth today and say whether it is true or false?

Yes God is the final authority. How do we ask God so we can test a claim here on Earth today?

I told you who the final authority is in my mind and other than I have no idea what you are talking about. What test? What claim?

Seriously, freegratis, why don't you answer my two questions?

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freegratis
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Quote from kb2222:
I told you who the final authority is in my mind and other than I have no idea what you are talking about. What test? What claim?

Seriously, freegratis, why don't you answer my two questions?


Okay, you said God is the final authority. Great.

What claim? How do we test this claim? Start with picking a claim from one of these and tell me how to test it:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

How do you/we test any of these claims (whether they are Good or Evil) based on the fact that God is the final authority?

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ludlowlowell
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Almost everything on this list is a mortal sin, and God, on Judgment Day, does far worse than stone or burn at the stake unrepentant mortal sinners. He condemns them to burn in Hell forever.

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kb2222
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Quote from freegratis:
Okay, you said God is the final authority. Great.

What claim? How do we test this claim? Start with picking a claim from one of these and tell me how to test it:

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

How do you/we test any of these claims (whether they are Good or Evil) based on the fact that God is the final authority?

You can test them with your own evolved (spirit prompted) sense of righteousness.

Do you actually believe it is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for being non-believers, cursing their parents, working on the Sabbath, not being a virgin on their wedding day or not listening to the priest, or being the son of a sinner, etc., etc.?

Do you actually believe that is what Jesus would order man to do, freegratis?

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ludlowlowell
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Jesus sends thousands of people to Hell every day for committing these very offenses, KB.

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kb2222
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Ludlow, you are a sick Catholic indoctrinated nutcase that doesn't know or you don't care if acts are righteous or wicked and thus you don't know Jesus and you don't know how many go to hell every day or even if there is a hell. You are a sick, corrupt man, Ludlow.

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ludlowlowell
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Jesus said there is a Hell. He said it had real fire and that the souls who went there never come out. He said that all unrepentant sinners will go there. So, yes, KB, I do know that Hell exists.

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kb2222
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus said there is a Hell. He said it had real fire and that the souls who went there never come out. He said that all unrepentant sinners will go there. So, yes, KB, I do know that Hell exists.

Bigd9832 has told you time and time again that the word "hell" is not In the bible and if you truly believe its the nature of God/Jesus to torment for all eternity unrepentant sinners in a fiery hell its clear you don't know God/Jesus.

Jesus sends thousands of people to Hell every day for committing these very offenses, KB.

Then in your sick mind you must be claiming Jesus didn't die to atone for the sin of man? You are a sicko to believe people should be killed and then tormented in hell for all eternity for those reasons, Ludlow.

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ludlowlowell
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Jesus died to atone for sin, true, but only repentant sinners get to take advantage of the Atonement. It is completely unreasonable to presume that God would ever forgive an unrepentant sinner.

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kb2222
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You are a sicko to believe people should be killed and then tormented in hell for all eternity for those reasons, Ludlow.

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ludlowlowell
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You love the God ypu have invented, not the God Who really is. The God of reality---the God of the Bible---sends unrepentant sinners to Hell and only forgives repentant sinners.

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kb2222
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Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

You are a sicko to believe people should be killed and then tormented in hell for all eternity for those reasons, Ludlow.

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ludlowlowell
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These things are mortal sins, KB. Unless we give up our mortal sins and repent of them we will all go to Hell. That's the whole message of Jesus Christ---either repent of sins and give them or lose our souls.

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cupocheer
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Lud, follow my lips...

Once a person accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Savior their immortal soul is redeemed unto God.

What belongs to God stays with God.

God's kingdom is heaven.

There is no purgatory or hell.

God made the promise to humankind.

God cannot take back his promise.

God does not lie.

Amen & Amen. All praise be to God.

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ludlowlowell
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So, Cup, so long as a person accepts Jesus into his heart, he can commit all the murder, adultery, fornication, lying, and stealing he wants, and still go to Heaven? Does faith in Christ give us a license to sin?

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cupocheer
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Nope.

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ludlowlowell
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So a person who has faith, but does not repent of sin, would still go to Hell?

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cupocheer
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Where is hell, Lud?

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ludlowlowell
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Cup, can a person who has faith, but who has not repented of his or her sins, still go to Heaven?

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cupocheer
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Lud, a person can have faith, without being a believer in Jesus. Isn't that true?

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kb2222
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
These things are mortal sins, KB. Unless we give up our mortal sins and repent of them we will all go to Hell. That's the whole message of Jesus Christ---either repent of sins and give them or lose our souls.

Ludlow, you are a sick Catholic indoctrinated nutcase that doesn't know or you don't care if acts are righteous or wicked and thus you don't know Jesus and you don't know how many go to hell every day or even if there is a hell. You are a sick, corrupt man, Ludlow.

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ludlowlowell
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Do you really think unrepentant sinners can escape Hell, KB?

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kb2222
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Do you really think unrepentant sinners can escape Hell, KB?

You don't know God/Jesus, Ludlow. You are as unrighteous and wicked minded as the Pharisees who thought they knew God and rejected and killed Jesus. I have posted that list of some of the absurd reasons for killing people in the bible many times and none of those reasons have anything to do with any opportunity to repent. They call for the penalty of death for certain acts and if you think it is righteous to kill females if they are not virgins on their wedding day or your son if he curses you or if you disobey the priest or work on the Sabbath, etc., etc., AND then God/Jesus is going to send them to a fiery hell and torment them for all eternity. If that's what you believe about God, Ludlow, YOU are most certainly depraved, blasphemous and spiritually LOST.

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ludlowlowell
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KB, did you know that if a woman, or man, has sex before marriage he or she commits a mortal sin, and that even one unrepentant mortal sin will cause a soul to go to Hell? Did you know that Jesus said that to even look at a woman in lust is to have comitted adultery with her?

God will forgive the repentant sinner seventy times seven. But it has to be true and sincere repentance, with at least the firm intention to give up sin.

Is this harsh? Unjust? Pharisaical? Our ways are not the Lord's ways, and the world's standards are not the Lord's standards. Yes, the Lord's standards are milderthan that of thre scribes and Pharisees, but let us not think that this means tge Lord has no standards at all.

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cupocheer
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UmmmmHummmmm. LUD, who signed Adam & Eves marriage license?

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cupocheer
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Let me add here..

Lud, a while back I asked you if you had ever had sex with a woman (or man) and you said "NO"...but you added the caveat 'that if you did you would go to confession and ask for forgiveness'.... Lud, which would be the better mortal sin in your opinion -- allowing the thought of having sex or actually having sex?

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ludlowlowell
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God "signed" the Adam and Eve'marriage license. God invented marriage and Adam and Eve were the first married couple.

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kb2222
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Ludlow, You are as unrighteous and wicked minded as the Pharisees who thought they knew God and rejected and killed Jesus. If that's what you believe about God, Ludlow, YOU are most certainly depraved, blasphemous and spiritually LOST.

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ludlowlowell
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I'm depraved, because I believe in marriage, and because I believe God instituted it?

By the way, anyone on Date Hookup or any other dating site who is looking to marry, who has a living ex-spouse, is seeking to commit adultery, and will not enter the Kingdom of God.



[Edited 3/30/2017 7:56:08 PM ]

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kb2222
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Yes, you are depraved and your depravity has nothing to do with whether of not you believe in marriage. I have told you why you are depraved, wicked-minded, blasphemous and spiritually lost. Here let me repeat myself.

You don't know God/Jesus, Ludlow. You are as unrighteous and wicked minded as the Pharisees who thought they knew God and rejected and killed Jesus. I have posted that list of some of the absurd reasons for killing people in the bible many times and none of those reasons have anything to do with any opportunity to repent. They call for the penalty of death for certain acts and if you think it is righteous to kill females if they are not virgins on their wedding day or your son if he curses you or if you disobey the priest or work on the Sabbath, etc., etc., AND then God/Jesus is going to send them to a fiery hell and torment them for all eternity. If that's what you believe about God, Ludlow, YOU are most certainly depraved, blasphemous and spiritually LOST.

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ludlowlowell
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All of those things done deliberately, with the full consent of the will, are mortal sins. Unrepentant mortal sin=Hell forever.

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kb2222
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
All of those things done deliberately, with the full consent of the will, are mortal sins. Unrepentant mortal sin=Hell forever.

Ludlow, you are such a sick, corrupt, wicked minded, sadistic person to assert your brothers and sisters should be stoned and burnt to death at the stake for these so-called mortal sins...

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

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cupocheer
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