I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST

2/27/2017 12:21:09 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	I was trying to ask tnteacher101, "What are you going to do about your sin?" Then I noticed slowpoke7 was actually addressing the same issue with tnteacher101 at the end of the now closed thread "What parts of Torah can we still keep today?" on page 333. Psalm 95 and Hebrews 4 addresses this REST. I believe that Believing is how you enter this REST. Amazing -- NO WORK. (Unless you say believing is a work) Would you say REST and WORK are opposites? And of course, a true believer, ought to be producing good works, as in Ephesians 2:10 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Verse 10 is preceded by verses 8 and 9 though: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. I believe that God wants us to stop boasting in our works, and instead boast in His finished work. That is your REST even here on Earth, before we go to rest in God's Heaven. It's also the "It's So Simple" thread by bigd9832. Wow Steve and Lud, that was actually written to you guys. I agree, most Catholics probably struggle with "works" too. Although I believe some Catholics have escaped that trap yet still call themselves Catholic. It starts with faith/belief, then your works ought to follow. Hebrews 11:6 without faith it is impossible to please him And that also seems to be why God/Jesus loves the children. Children display more faith. Matthew 18:3-4 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
2/27/2017 2:25:23 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	"Entering God's rest" means going to Heaven when we die. It certainly doesn't mean that we can rest from good works. Faith must be a living faith, an active faith, full of good works, or we don't get into Heaven. Faith without works is dead.
2/27/2017 2:48:16 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Entering God's rest" means going to Heaven when we die. It certainly doesn't mean that we can rest from good works. Faith must be a living faith, an active faith, full of good works, or we don't get into Heaven. Faith without works is dead. Faith for salvation. Works to please God after you are saved. I don't think you answered the assurance of salvation NOW verse I mentioned in 1 John 5:13 in another thread.
2/27/2017 2:58:57 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	We have no absolute assurance of salvation. Those who go around thinking that they are alteady "saved" are guilty of the son of presumption. You don't know if you're going to Heaven and neither do I. All it takes is one mortal sin, one full consent to an impure thought (Matthew 5:28) and we lose the state of grace (the state of grace can be regained if one goes to Confession). Freegratis, did you ever have a "salvation experience"? Did you answer an altar call, and---sincerely even---give your heart to Jesus, perhaps in your teens? Was it a powerful emotional experience? Here's what evangelical Protestants miss---just because a person has one of these experiences does not mean he is saved.
2/27/2017 3:13:46 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: We have no absolute assurance of salvation. Those who go around thinking that they are alteady "saved" are guilty of the son of presumption. You don't know if you're going to Heaven and neither do I. All it takes is one mortal sin, one full consent to an impure thought (Matthew 5:28) and we lose the state of grace (the state of grace can be regained if one goes to Confession). Freegratis, did you ever have a "salvation experience"? Did you answer an altar call, and---sincerely even---give your heart to Jesus, perhaps in your teens? Was it a powerful emotional experience? Here's what evangelical Protestants miss---just because a person has one of these experiences does not mean he is saved. ludlowlowell, This is at least my third time asking you, "What do you think of 1 John 5:13?" 1 John 5:13 King James Version (KJV) 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
2/27/2017 3:31:01 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Lud, The same Apostle who wrote "faith without works is dead", also wrote James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. Mortal sin verses Venial sin is a grave fallacy. Time to stop trusting in your righteousness. "Look at me God, I have not committed any mortal sins since my last confession."
2/27/2017 3:32:09 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011	THE FATHER LOVES HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS JUST AS MUCH AS HE LOVES JESUS!! John 17:23: Jesus says to His Father, "You sent Me and have LOVED THEM even as you LOVED Me!!" JESUS LOVES HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS JUST AS MUCH AS THE FATHER LOVES HIM!! John 15:9,10" Jesus says, "As the Father LOVED Me, so I have LOVED you!! Now remain in My LOVE . IF you obey My commands, you will remain in My LOVE , just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in His LOVE !" John 14:21,23: Jesus says, "Whoever has My commands and obeys them, he is the one who LOVES Me! He who loves Me will be LOVED by My Father, and I will LOVE him....If anyone LOVES Me, he will obey My teaching. My Father will LOVE him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him!!" I John 3:18: Dear children, let us not LOVE with words or tongue but with actions and in truth! WHAT'S LOVEGOT TO DO WITH IT?? I Peter 1:22: "Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere LOVE for your brothers, LOVE one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again... through the living and enduring Word of God! I Peter 4:8: ABOVE ALL, LOVE each other DEEPLY, because LOVEcovers over a multitude of sins! I Corinthians 13:2,4-8: If I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not LOVE I am nothing...LOVE is patient, LOVE is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. LOVE does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. LOVE never fails!!" John 13:34: Jesus says, "A NEW command I give you: LOVE* one another As I have LOVED you, so you must LOVE one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples." John 15:12,13: Jesus says, "My command is this: LOVE each other as I have LOVED you. Greater LOVE has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. I John 3:16: This how we know what LOVE is: Jesus Christ laid down His life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers! Ephesians 5:1,2: Be IMITATORS OF GOD, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of LOVE, just as Christ LOVED us and gave Himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God! Luke 6:27,28,35,36: Jesus says, "LOVE your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. LOVE your enemies, do good to them. and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your REWARD will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful!" Matthew 28:19.20” Jesus commands, “Go and make disciples of all nations... teaching them to OBEY EVERYTHING I have commanded you!” {See I John 2:3-5} EVERYTHING would also include all the other commands in God's inspired Word from Acts to Revelation as per 2 Timothy 3:16: 4:2: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work...Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction." If we really LOVE our brothers and sister in Christ we will lovingly teach them to obey all the approximately 400 commands of the NT with LOVE in the hope of countless eternal rewards when Jesus comes with great power with all His angels. Revelation 22:112: Jesus says,"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done!? Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels, and THEN He will REWARD each person according to what he has done." Ephesians 4:15: "Speaking the Truth in LOVE , we will in all things grow up into Him who is the Head, that is, Christ! From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in LOVE , as each part does its work." Ephesians 3:17-19: "I pray that you, being rooted and established in LOVE may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the LOVE of Christ, and to know this LOVE that surpasses knowledge--that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God!!" I John 4:7-12: Dear friends, let us LOVE one another, for LOVE comes from God. Everyone who LOVES has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not LOVE does not know God, because God is LOVE. This is how God showed His LOVEamong us: He sent His one and only Son into the world that we might live through Him. This is LOVE, not that we LOVED God, but that He LOVED us and sent His Son as the atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends,since God so LOVED us, we ought to LOVE one another. No one has ever seen God, but if we LOVE one another, God lives in us and His LOVE is made complete in us! Romans 8:35,37-39: Who shall separate us from the LOVE of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?...We are more than conquerors through Him who LOVED us! For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!!
2/27/2017 4:44:08 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	You are taking the scriptures too literally, Freegratis. We can't interpret scripture that way---the scripture has too many real and apparent contradictions for that. It is up to the Church to interpret scripture, not private individuals---see 2 Peter 1:20. If we believe in Christ, and put that faith into practice with good works and avoidance of mortal sin, we are assured of salvation. But that's a mighty big if---IF we remain faithful. You don't know if you will remain faithful and neither do I. For the distinction between mortal and venial sin see 1 John 5:16. God is certainly not going to send gossipers, petty thieves, people who sometimes eat too much, lazy people, or other committers of small sins to Hell---people who do these kinds of things (most of us) but who are otherwise good Christians go to Purgatory for a time, then Heaven. See 1 Corinthians 3:13-15. [Edited 2/27/2017 4:44:49 PM ]
2/27/2017 4:46:54 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	James 2:10 means that it only takes one mortal sin to go to Hell. It certainly does not mean that God will send people to Hell for the tiniest kittle thing---that's what Purgatory is for.
2/27/2017 8:27:26 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: We have no absolute assurance of salvation. Those who go around thinking that they are alteady "saved" are guilty of the son of presumption. You don't know if you're going to Heaven and neither do I. All it takes is one mortal sin, one full consent to an impure thought (Matthew 5:28) and we lose the state of grace (the state of grace can be regained if one goes to Confession). Freegratis, did you ever have a "salvation experience"? Did you answer an altar call, and---sincerely even---give your heart to Jesus, perhaps in your teens? Was it a powerful emotional experience? Here's what evangelical Protestants miss---just because a person has one of these experiences does not mean he is saved. There is only 1 way to lose one's salvation and that is to turn to 'another' god after one has accepted Yahshua's sacrifice.
2/27/2017 8:35:36 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Heb 6:4-6, 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [Edited 2/27/2017 8:37:28 PM ]
2/28/2017 4:42:38 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from share_n_love: There is only 1 way to lose one's salvation and that is to turn to 'another' god after one has accepted Yahshua's sacrifice. By committing a mortal sin we in effect do turn to another god. [Edited 2/28/2017 4:42:53 AM ]
2/28/2017 4:54:37 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	If we murder we in effect turn to the false god of anger. If we fornicate or commit adultery we in effect turn to the false god of lust. If we steal a large amount of money we in effect turn to the false god of money. And so on.
2/28/2017 8:45:49 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	You sound like a pagan. I wonder why?
2/28/2017 8:50:19 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	God said HAVE NO OTHER GOD'S BEFORE ME! Thou shalt NOT!!!.....
2/28/2017 11:57:51 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	I believe that 1 John 5:16 is talking about one who has rejected the only route to salvation, which is Jesus. Which is also what I believe Hebrews 6:4-6 (which share posted) is saying. And again in Matthew 10:14 shaking the dust off. Basically giving up on that person/city. Here is the problem with works: Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ It seems to me that prophesying in Jesus' name and driving out demons and performing many miracles would be good works. Justification: Faith in Jesus' finished work to pay for the wages of our sin, instead of our own work to pay for them. Sanctification: After we have been Justified, our works are now pleasing to God. Before, all our works are like filthy rags. It is impossible to please God without first having faith. Glorification: We are finally in heaven and can stay there. The "REST" we can enter. But we also had "REST" from any works we thought we needed to do to become Justified. Don't worry, you still get to do works while being Sanctified. And even get rewards for them as in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15. 2 Peter 1:20 (2 Peter 1:16-21) is about where the prophecy came from. Was it fabricated by man or by God? The Holy Spirit moved men to write scripture. Elsewhere we are told that The Holy Spirit is indwelt in the believer and teaches the believer the truth. The other problem with "the tiniest little sin" is that it is not perfection. I think we had better take James 2:10 literally. Once we do that, we know we need salvation that we ourselves cannot "work for" (and demand wages for our work). And hopefully that leads us to trusting in Jesus' finished work as payment for the sin debt we could not pay.
2/28/2017 2:24:44 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from kb2222: You sound like a pagan. I wonder why? The guy who believes in 700,000 gods thinks I sound like a pagan!
2/28/2017 2:37:06 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from freegratis: I believe that 1 John 5:16 is talking about one who has rejected the only route to salvation, which is Jesus. Which is also what I believe Hebrews 6:4-6 (which share posted) is saying. And again in Matthew 10:14 shaking the dust off. Basically giving up on that person/city. Here is the problem with works: Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ It seems to me that prophesying in Jesus' name and driving out demons and performing many miracles would be good works. Justification: Faith in Jesus' finished work to pay for the wages of our sin, instead of our own work to pay for them. Sanctification: After we have been Justified, our works are now pleasing to God. Before, all our works are like filthy rags. It is impossible to please God without first having faith. Glorification: We are finally in heaven and can stay there. The "REST" we can enter. But we also had "REST" from any works we thought we needed to do to become Justified. Don't worry, you still get to do works while being Sanctified. And even get rewards for them as in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15. 2 Peter 1:20 (2 Peter 1:16-21) is about where the prophecy came from. Was it fabricated by man or by God? The Holy Spirit moved men to write scripture. Elsewhere we are told that The Holy Spirit is indwelt in the believer and teaches the believer the truth. The other problem with "the tiniest little sin" is that it is not perfection. I think we had better take James 2:10 literally. Once we do that, we know we need salvation that we ourselves cannot "work for" (and demand wages for our work). And hopefully that leads us to trusting in Jesus' finished work as payment for the sin debt we could not pay. I John 5:16 clearly shows that there are such things as mortal sins ("sins unto death") and venial sins ("sins not unto death"). Failure to believe in Christ is not the only mortal sin---there are ten commandments, not just one. If belief in Christ were all that were necessary for salvation, the devil is saved---the devil believes that Jesus is God---otherwise he wouldn't hate Jesus so much, or get so upset when someone believes. "Not those who cry Lord, Lord, but he who does the will of my Father in Heaven", you quite rightly quote Jesus as saying. The guy who has faith alone cries Lord, Lord. The guy who does the will of the Father does good works, good works of charity for neighbor. If any passage in scripture proves the falseness of Protestantism it is Matthew 7:21-23. Some verses in the New Testament say Faith is necessary for salvation. Other verses say works are necessary. If we take the scripture as a whole, as we certainly should, and if we listen to our Holy Mother the Catholic Church, as we certainly should, we see that BOTH faith AND works are necessary for salvation.
2/28/2017 3:16:58 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from ludlowlowell: I John 5:16 clearly shows that there are such things as mortal sins ("sins unto death") and venial sins ("sins not unto death"). Failure to believe in Christ is not the only mortal sin---there are ten commandments, not just one. If belief in Christ were all that were necessary for salvation, the devil is saved---the devil believes that Jesus is God---otherwise he wouldn't hate Jesus so much, or get so upset when someone believes. "Not those who cry Lord, Lord, but he who does the will of my Father in Heaven", you quite rightly quote Jesus as saying. The guy who has faith alone cries Lord, Lord. The guy who does the will of the Father does good works, good works of charity for neighbor. If any passage in scripture proves the falseness of Protestantism it is Matthew 7:21-23. Some verses in the New Testament say Faith is necessary for salvation. Other verses say works are necessary. If we take the scripture as a whole, as we certainly should, and if we listen to our Holy Mother the Catholic Church, as we certainly should, we see that BOTH faith AND works are necessary for salvation. There's your ignorance showing again. Nobody on earth has said believing Jesus or God is real saved anyone. But, believing IN Jesus does. You know, Confess with thy mouth and believe in thy heart and thou shalt be saved. That's the word.
2/28/2017 3:26:43 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism, said "If you sin, sin boldly, but believe nmore boldly still". Martin Luther taught that a person commit a thousand murders and a thousand adulteries a day and still go to Heaven, so long as he believed in Jesus. This is what I was taught in the Methodist Church---Believe! Be saved! After that, you won't have to worry about sin because you won't even want to sin (what a crock that turned out to be!)! I know what Protestantism teaches. I was a Protestant the first seventeen years of my life. You can't fool me. You may have fooled yourself but you can't fool me. Faith alone does not save us. Faith without works is dead. Hell is full of souls that had faith but few if any good works
2/28/2017 4:17:28 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: If we murder we in effect turn to the false god of anger. If we fornicate or commit adultery we in effect turn to the false god of lust. If we steal a large amount of money we in effect turn to the false god of money. And so on. That is NOT what that scripture means Lud. NOW you know what I meant by telling Steve he was committing a Lud 'action'. You are creating a story that is NOT consistent with God's word. The context of 'another god' in God's word represents an idol. Anger is not an idol.
2/28/2017 5:33:29 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Anger can be an idol if we prefer it to God.
3/1/2017 11:23:02 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: ... "Not those who cry Lord, Lord, but he who does the will of my Father in Heaven", you quite rightly quote Jesus as saying. The guy who has faith alone cries Lord, Lord. The guy who does the will of the Father does good works, good works of charity for neighbor. If any passage in scripture proves the falseness of Protestantism it is Matthew 7:21-23. Some verses in the New Testament say Faith is necessary for salvation. Other verses say works are necessary. If we take the scripture as a whole, as we certainly should, and if we listen to our Holy Mother the Catholic Church, as we certainly should, we see that BOTH faith AND works are necessary for salvation. You missed verse 22. They also said Lord Lord and were very busy workers. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Verse 22 seems to be saying faith plus anything might be detrimental!!! Again I stress, this is for Salvation (Justification). Of course we ought to do works, but not be trusting in them for our Justification (Salvation). Also, somebody's work is still filthy rags in verse 23. John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Why does Jesus love the children and say we must be like them? Children are generally not workers, but they have a genuine faith. Hey, just throwing that one out there... Are you working for your salvation/justification? Wages are obligated to the worker and not credited as a gift. Are your works sufficient to merit justification? If so, you did not need Jesus' death/sacrifice. You can just claim your wage. Read Romans 4. Romans 4: 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. You James verse "Faith without works is dead" probably simply means that particular faith is dead. But real faith brings justification and good works ought to follow. Not "faith plus works" gets you justified. Subtle and grave difference, when you take the bible in its entirety, as a whole.
3/1/2017 12:07:21 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	1. There are those who do many good works but who do not live moral lives. These will not be saved, barring repentance. 2. Good works have to be the right good works, works pleasing to God. Spending the day in prayer when there is work to be done around the house, or busily raising money for charity while neglecting one's own family---these things gain us no merit. 3. Persons not in the state of grace gain no merit for their good works.
3/1/2017 5:07:37 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011	THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS IS THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST!! Matthew 26:28: Jesus says, "This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS!" Galatians 2:18-21: I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me! The life I live in the body, I live by FAITH in the Son of God, who loved me and GAVE HIMSELF FOR ME!! I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!! Hebrews 9:12: He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by HIS OWN BLOOD, having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION! Hebrews 9:22; 26-28: The law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS.... But now He has appeared ONCE FOR ALL at the end of the ages to do away with sin BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF!! Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, and Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people, and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!! Ephesians 2:13: But now in Christ Jesus you who were once were far away have been brought near THROUGH THE BLOOD OF CHRIST!! Hebrews 10:8-10: First He said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor were You pleased with them," although the law required them to be made. Then He said, "Here I am, I have come to do Your will." He sets aside the first TO ESTABLISH THE SECOND. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL!! Romans 3:21-25: But now a righteousness from God, APART FROM THE LAW, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes THROUGH FAITH in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by HIS GRACE through the REDEMPTION that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Him as a SACRIFICE OF ATONEMENT, THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD!! Romans 4:6-8: David says the same thing when he speaks of the righteousness of the man whom God credits righteousness APART FROM WORKS. "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whom sin the Lord WILL NEVER COUNT AGAINST HIM!"{David was inspired to write this in Psalm 32:1,2} Isaiah 1:18: "Come now, let us reason together," says the Lord. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow!!" Colossians 1:15-20: He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things were created by Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. And He is the HEAD OF HIS BODY, THE CHURCH; He is the beginning and the firstborn from the dead, so that is EVERYTHING HE MIGHT HAVE THE SUPREMACY. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things ON EARTH or things in heaven, by making peace THROUGH HIS BLOOD, shed on the cross!! Colossians 2:13-15: When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you ALIVE WITH CHRIST. He forgave us ALL OUR SINS, having canceled the written code, with its regulation, that was against us and that stood opposed to us, He took it away, NAIILNG IT TO THE CROSS!!. Ephesians 1:3-8; 11: Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with EVERY spiritual blessing in Christ. For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and BLAMELESS in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS, in accordance the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding!! I Peter 1:18,19: For you know that was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you by your forefathers, but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, Lamb without blemish or defect!! I Peter 2:24,25: He Himself BORE OUR SINS in His body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness, by HIS WOUNDS we are healed{See Isaiah 53:5,6}!! For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls!! I Peter 3:18 For Christ DIED FOR SINS ONCE FOR LL, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God!! I John 2:1,2: My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have One who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world!! I John 4:10-12: This is LOVE, not that we loved God, but that He LOVED us and sent His Son as an ATONING SACRIFICE for our sins. Dear friends, since God so LOVED us, we also ought to LOVE one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we LOVE one another, God LIVES IN US and His LOVE is made complete in us. Revelation 1:4,5: Grace and peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful Witness... To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins BY HIS BLOOD!! NOTE: Jesus Christ our Savior is called the LAMB 30 times in the book of Revelation. Revelation 5:6,9: Then I saw a LAMB, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the center of the throne...You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because You were slain , and WITH YOUR BLOOD You purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!! Revelation 12:11: They overcame him by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death!! Revelation 7:14: These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation, they have was their robes and made them white in the BLOOD OF THE LAMB!! Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed! We all, like sheep, have gone astray , each of us has turned to his own way, and THE LORD HAS LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL!! Romans 5:6-10: You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless. Christ died for the ungodly. Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates His love for us in this: While we were still sinners CHRIST DIED FOR US. Since we are now justified BY HIS BLOOD, how much more will we be saved from God's wrath through Him! When we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to Him THROUGH THE DEATH OF HIS SON!!
3/2/2017 2:07:43 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Anger can be an idol if we prefer it to God. NO it can't be.
3/2/2017 3:14:51 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Why not?
3/3/2017 3:04:43 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Why not? Because angry is an emotional 'action'...it is NOT a 'being'.
3/3/2017 5:42:34 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	(1) Physical idols that pagans worship are not beings. They are deaf and dumb plaster and wood. (2) Where does it say an emotion can't be an idol?
3/3/2017 10:33:00 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Going back to the OP... CLV Heb 4:9 Consequently a sabbatism is left for the people of God. The sabbatism which remains for Israel is the millennial kingdom. Those who, like Caleb and Joshua, spy out the land, and have confidence that God will fulfill His promise, enjoy the sabbatism by faith. All the rest are strewn along the wilderness. _____Strong's_____ G4520 sabbatismos sab-bat-is-mos' from a derivative of G4521; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven). CLV Ps 95:11 As I swear in My anger, They assuredly shall not enter into My resting place! _____Strong's_____ H4496 mnuwchah men-oo-khaw' or mnuchah {men-oo-khaw'}; feminine of H4495; repose or (adverbially) peacefully; figuratively, consolation (specifically, matrimony); hence (concretely) an abode. The "rest" or "resting place" He is referring to is what we commonly call the Millennium. CLV Eph 2:10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them. _____Strong's_____ G2041 ergon er'-gon from a primary (but obsolete) ergo (to work); toil (as an effort or occupation); by implication, an act. Now here, more than anywhere else, is where you will find your contrast... CLV Heb 4:10 For he who is entering into His stopping, he also stops from his works even as God from His own. _____Strong's_____ G2664 katapauo kat-ap-ow'-o from G2596 and G3973; to settle down, i.e. (literally) to colonize, or (figuratively) to (cause to) desist. "Works" is G2041, same as above. The "rest" or "stopping" is the Millennium.
3/3/2017 9:18:26 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: (1) Physical idols that pagans worship are not beings. They are deaf and dumb plaster and wood. (2) Where does it say an emotion can't be an idol? WOW...you are unbelievable lud. You can't tell the difference between what is an physical item versus a human emotion. You need to be spoon fed every meaning. You can't seem to comprehend the context of God's word. No wonder you go to the RCC because they spoon feed their congregation to believe EXACTLY what they want them to believe.
3/5/2017 7:44:44 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Entering God's rest" means going to Heaven when we die. It certainly doesn't mean that we can rest from good works. Faith must be a living faith, an active faith, full of good works, or we don't get into Heaven. Faith without works is dead. Wrong on both counts. We will not be going to Heaven anytime soon. Those who still think so have not read the Bible. I don't know where ludlow gets this phrase "God's rest." Maybe he made it up. But as it's not a Scriptural phrase I think we can safely ignore it. CLV Ac 2:21 And it shall be that everyone, whosoever should be invoking the name of the Lord, shall be saved. CLV Ro 10:13 For everyone, whoever should be invoking the name of the Lord, shall be saved. No mention of works as a requirement.
3/11/2017 9:21:08 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010
3/16/2017 10:12:40 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	*Get Ready*
3/21/2017 11:40:09 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from bigd9832: Wrong on both counts. We will not be going to Heaven anytime soon. Those who still think so have not read the Bible. I don't know where ludlow gets this phrase "God's rest." Maybe he made it up. But as it's not a Scriptural phrase I think we can safely ignore it. CLV Ac 2:21 And it shall be that everyone, whosoever should be invoking the name of the Lord, shall be saved. CLV Ro 10:13 For everyone, whoever should be invoking the name of the Lord, shall be saved. No mention of works as a requirement. These verse do not say everyone will be saved. There is a qualifying condition: invoke the name of the Lord. Stop lying saying everyone will be saved.
3/21/2017 12:38:49 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Freegratis, I have Bigd blocked, but maybe you could tell him that God refers to God's rest, and that from the context it obviously means salvation and going to Heaven, at Psalm 95:11.
3/21/2017 2:22:13 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from freegratis: These verse do not say everyone will be saved. I didn't say that these verses said all will be saved. Now you are putting words into my keyboard. Not very honest of you. Try the 100 Bible verses that say all will be saved... For those who would deprive ALL of Salvation. https://DateHookup.dating/Thread-1121437.htm 100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1235334.htm Of course ALL will be saved. https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1116598.htm _____Strong's_____ H4496 mnuwchah men-oo-khaw' or mnuchah {men-oo-khaw'}; feminine of H4495; repose or (adverbially) peacefully; figuratively, consolation (specifically, matrimony); hence (concretely) an abode. No mention of "heaven." At any rate, ludlow will not be going to heaven. He hasn't learned basic honesty.
3/21/2017 9:34:46 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 66, joined Feb. 2011	JESUS SAYS, "MY BROTHERS ARE THOSE WHO HEARS GOD'S WORD AND PUTS IT INTO PRACTICE" Psalm 119 has 176 verses praising the Word of God. The Old Testament had 613 laws and the New Covenant of Jesus and His love has about 400 commands which Psalm 119 also applies to. Some of my favorite verses is Psalm 119 are: 119:105: Your Word is a Lamp to my feet and a Light for my path. 119:97: Oh how I love your law, I meditate on it all day long. 119:148: My eyes stay open through the watches of the night, that I meditate on your promises. 119:164: Seven times a day I praise you for your righteous laws. 119:16: All your Words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal. 119:169: Give me understanding according to your Word. 119:2: Blessed are those who keep His statues and seek Him with all your heart. 119:11: I have hidden your Word in my heart that I might not sin against You. Deuteronomy 18:17-19: The Lord says, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My Name, I Myself will call Him to account." John 14:23,24: Jesus says, "If anyone loves Me, He will OBEY MY TEACHING. My Father will love Him, and we will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me will not obey My teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent Me." Revelation 1:1-3: The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must take place. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who testifies to everything he saw--that is, the WORD OF GOD and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the WORDS OF THIS PROPHECY, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it!! Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the WORDS OF THE PROPECY OF THIS BOOK: If anyone ADDS anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including ETERNAL HELL} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book." THE GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on EARTH has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS...teaching them to OBEY EVERYTHING* I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very END OF THE AGE!” I Peter 1:23-25: You have been born again.. through the Living and Enduring Word of God. All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field, the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the WORD OF THE LORD STANDS FOREVER. And this is the WORD that was preached to you. Matthew 24:35: Jesus says, Heaven and earth will pass away, but MY WORDS WILL NEVER PASS AWAY!" I John 2:3-5: We know we have come to know Him {Jesus} if we obey His commands. The man who says, "I know Him," but does not do what He commands is a liar and the truth is not in him. But if anyone OBEYS HIS WORD, God's love is truly made complete in him! Matthew 4:4: Jesus says, "Man does not live on bread alone, but on EVERY WORD FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD!" Matthew 7:24,26: Jesus says, "Everyone who hears these WORDS OF MINE and PUTS THEM INTO PRACTICE is like a wise man who built his house on a Rock... But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand." James 1:22,25: Do not merely listen to the WORD, and so deceive yourselves. DO WHAT IT SAYS... The man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, BUT DOING IT, he will be blessed in what he does. Luke 8:21: Jesus says, "My mother and brothers are those who hears GOD'S WORD and PUTS IT INTO PRACTICE!" Matthew 13:23: Jesus says, "But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the WORD AND UNDERSTANDS IT. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown." Luke 8:15: Jesus says, "But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the WORD, retain it, and by perseverance produce a crop." John 17:17: Jesus prays to His Father, "Sanctify them by the Truth, YOUR WORD IS TRUTH!" Acts 20:32: Paul says, "Now I commit you to God and to the WORD OF HIS GRACE, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified!" Romans 10:17: Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard THROUGH THE WORD OF CHRIST! I Corinthians 15:2: By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly o the WORD I preached to you. Otherwise you have believed in vain! 2 Corinthians 2:17: Unlike so many, we do not peddle the WORD OF GOD for profit! 2 Corinthians 4:2: We do not use deception, nor do we distort the WORD OF GOD! Ephesians 1:`13: You also were included in Christ WHEN you heard the WORD of Truth, the gospel of your salvation. Ephesians 2:17: Take the sword of the Spirit, which is the WORD OF GOD! Colossians 1:25: I have become its servant by the commission God gave to me to present to you the WORD OF GOD IN ALL ITS FULLNESS! Colossians 3:16: Let the WORD OF CHRIST dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom! 2 Timothy 2:15: Do your best to present yourselves to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who CORRECTLY HANDLES THE WORD of truth! 2 Timothy 3:15,16: 4:1,2: You have known the HOLY SCRIPTURES,which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD-BREATHED and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of His appearing and His kingdom, I give you this charge: PREACH THE WORD!! Matthew 16:27: Jesus says, “The Son of Man is going to come in His Father's glory with His angels and THEN He will REWARD each person according to what he has done!” Daniel 12:3: Those who are impart wisdom {NIV} will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever!!
3/22/2017 1:06:22 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
freegratis Irving, TX 50, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from bigd9832: I didn't say that these verses said all will be saved. Now you are putting words into my keyboard. Not very honest of you. Try the 100 Bible verses that say all will be saved... For those who would deprive ALL of Salvation. https://DateHookup.dating/Thread-1121437.htm 100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1235334.htm Of course ALL will be saved. https://DateHookup.dating/thread-1116598.htm _____Strong's_____ H4496 mnuwchah men-oo-khaw' or mnuchah {men-oo-khaw'}; feminine of H4495; repose or (adverbially) peacefully; figuratively, consolation (specifically, matrimony); hence (concretely) an abode. No mention of "heaven." At any rate, ludlow will not be going to heaven. He hasn't learned basic honesty. I don't care if you said or did not say those verses say all will be saved. You have a general teaching that all will be saved as you just repeated "Try the 100 Bible verses that say all will be saved...". I stated that the verse you used (for a different argument) obviously says there is a condition to be saved. Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved Romans 9:6 ...For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel I don't need to review your 100 verses to know you better stop teaching all will be saved.
3/22/2017 1:38:46 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Freegratis, I have Bigd blocked, but maybe you could tell him that God refers to God's rest, and that from the context it obviously means salvation and going to Heaven, at Psalm 95:11. That is clearly not God talking at Psalm 95:11. The Bible is full of inconsistencies and contradictions and rampant with the killing of people for all sorts of absurd reasons so why do you professed "Christians" pretend its all Gods inerrant truth/word. Do you actually believe God is some kind of a fickle double-minded God that has a blood lust that delights in ordering man to kill people for Him regardless of what Jesus taught?
3/22/2017 3:12:24 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Some people's approach to the Bible: They read something in the Bible that they agree with, and they hit everybody they are over the head with it, and angrily denounce anyone who disagrees with the particular passage in question as an unchristian non-believer in the Bible, but when they see something in the Bible they disagree with, oh, well, uh, that's not supposed to be in the Bible, er, um, somebody added that later. Psalm 95:11 is in the Bible whether you like it or not, KB. If you believe Matthew 5:44 you gotta believe Psalm 95:11 also.
3/22/2017 3:55:42 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Psalm 95:11 is in the Bible whether you like it or not, KB. If you believe Matthew 5:44 you gotta believe Psalm 95:11 also. Nonsense, Explain how you rationalize your assertion. Oh, how about answering my question, Ludlow. Do you actually believe God is some kind of a fickle double-minded God that has a blood lust that delights in ordering man to kill people for Him regardless of what Jesus taught? [Edited 3/22/2017 3:57:07 PM ]
3/22/2017 4:16:33 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Jesus taught that unrepentant sinners will go to Hell forever.
3/22/2017 6:17:07 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	He says nothing of the kind at Matthew 5:44. Answer my question, Ludlow. Do you actually believe God is some kind of a fickle double-minded God that has a blood lust that delights in ordering man to kill people for Him regardless of what Jesus taught?
3/23/2017 12:11:21 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
stratus55 Jackson, GA 51, joined Jan. 2017	theres no contradictions in the bible,just unlearned people that dont understand yet..see the movie on tbn,or from them..the perfect stranger..its a wonderful question answer,an jesus said no man comes unto the father but by me,and also..you must be ...born again.. he stands at the door and knocks,wanting us to come to him an say yes forgive me of my sin,an we believe he paid the price for all sin for whosoever will come to him,aan receive his forgiveness..totally free for us..cause he paid it,an died,an rose from the dead defeating death an sin.an his blood covers us from all sin..the blod he shed on calvary..... and he is alive right now,making intercession for us who are saved,sitting at gods right hand..
3/23/2017 6:48:59 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from kb2222: He says nothing of the kind at Matthew 5:44. Answer my question, Ludlow. Do you actually believe God is some kind of a fickle double-minded God that has a blood lust that delights in ordering man to kill people for Him regardless of what Jesus taught? God does not take delight in sending sinners to Hell forever, where horribly painful fire burns the souls there for all eternity, a much worse punishment than the stonings or burnings of the now-abrogated Levitical law. God does not delight in punishing people. But God is a God of justice and God will do it. But God will forgive the sincerely repentant. [Edited 3/23/2017 6:49:21 AM ]
3/23/2017 10:50:41 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: God does not take delight in sending sinners to Hell forever, where horribly painful fire burns the souls there for all eternity, a much worse punishment than the stonings or burnings of the now-abrogated Levitical law. God does not delight in punishing people. But God is a God of justice and God will do it. But God will forgive the sincerely repentant. So God ordered man to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of reasons without any opportunity to change or repent so that HE could horribly torture them for all eternity in Hell. You are so satanically warped/corrupt you don't realize how SICK and anti-Christ you sound.
3/23/2017 11:03:23 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	If the sinner repented he could be spared punishment, under Levitical law.
3/23/2017 11:33:07 AM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	You are so corrupt you can't think straight, Ludlow. I have noted to you many times there is no opportunity to repent in any of all those reasons for killing people. Where is any opportunity to repent when scripture says they "shall be put to death"? You are truly satanically sick minded to believe and teach it was/is righteous and just to stone and burn people to death at the stake for those absurd reasons and to assert that is what Jesus would order man to do. You appear so fully possessed by Satan you don't seem to know Godliness from wickedness any longer, Ludlow.
3/23/2017 2:21:23 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Ezekiel 14:6 and 18:30 are just two examples from the Old Testament that say God will forgive sinners if they repent. If I took the time I'm sure I could find many more. God forgave David for having Uriah killed in battle so he could marry Uriah's wife, for instance. God's forgiveness is not limited to New Testament times---long before Jesus came God forgave people their sins, if they repented, in anticipation of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross.
3/23/2017 2:28:50 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	I have noted to you many times there is no opportunity to repent in any of all those reasons for killing people. Where is any opportunity to repent when scripture says they "shall be put to death"? There is no opportunity to repent for any of these acts, Ludlow. Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB) Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB) Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB) Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB, Leviticus 20:9 NLT) Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB) Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB) Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-18 NLT) Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB) Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB, Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT) Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT) Kill False Prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT, Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT) Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT) Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT) Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) For such a biblical scholar why do you keep asserting LIES, Ludlow?
3/23/2017 4:37:34 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	This is the way an adulterer might repent under Levitical law: Father in Heaven, I have sinned against You and I am very sorry because of it, yes, because I got caught, yes, because they are going to stone me, but also because I now see the wrong I did. I pray for forgiveness, that after they stone me and I am dead, You won't send me to the nether world, but rather to Abraham's bosum. This stoning? I deserve it and I accept it. Surely if someone said this prayer or one like it, either silently or out loud, the stoning might still happen but the person's soul would be saved.
3/23/2017 5:19:03 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Your post is nothing but evasive deceitful supposition on your part and even so pertains to only one of the 20 some odd reasons to kill people I listed. You don't really care what Jesus revealed about God's true loving and caring nature do you, Ludlow?
3/23/2017 6:07:26 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	God/Jesus is loving and caring enough to care about the victims of adultery and other sins.
3/23/2017 6:11:25 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from ludlowlowell: This is the way an adulterer might repent under Levitical law: Father in Heaven, I have sinned against You and I am very sorry because of it, yes, because I got caught, yes, because they are going to stone me, but also because I now see the wrong I did. I pray for forgiveness, that after they stone me and I am dead, You won't send me to the nether world, but rather to Abraham's bosum. This stoning? I deserve it and I accept it. Surely if someone said this prayer or one like it, either silently or out loud, the stoning might still happen but the person's soul would be saved. You wouldn't add to the bible would you lud? You'll not find forgiveness under the Levitical law without sacrifice. That's what the sacrifice was for. That's why the law could not redeem men, for the blood of goats and bulls could not take away sin for there was always a remembrance.
3/23/2017 7:01:28 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Could people prior to the coming of Christ repent of their sins and be saved?
3/23/2017 7:05:28 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Prior to the time of Christ did all go to firey Hell? Are Brahan, Usaac, Jacob, David, Elijah, Elisha, and both Josephs now burning in Hell?
3/23/2017 7:33:27 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
_ladybug_ Paragould, AR 66, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from stratus55: theres no contradictions in the bible,just unlearned people that dont understand yet..see the movie on tbn,or from them..the perfect stranger..its a wonderful question answer,an jesus said no man comes unto the father but by me,and also..you must be ...born again.. he stands at the door and knocks,wanting us to come to him an say yes forgive me of my sin,an we believe he paid the price for all sin for whosoever will come to him,aan receive his forgiveness..totally free for us..cause he paid it,an died,an rose from the dead defeating death an sin.an his blood covers us from all sin..the blod he shed on calvary..... and he is alive right now,making intercession for us who are saved,sitting at gods right hand.. "theres no contradictions in the bible,just unlearned people that dont understand yet.." Love The Perfect Stranger movie!
3/23/2017 7:43:25 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from kb2222: Your post is nothing but evasive deceitful supposition on your part and even so pertains to only one of the 20 some odd reasons to kill people I listed. You don't really care what Jesus revealed about God's true loving and caring nature do you, Ludlow?
3/23/2017 8:02:14 PM	I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my REST
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Looptex, are you of the opinion that all persons who lived before Christ came went to firey Hell forever, including Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, David, Elijah, Moses, Enoch, Isaiah, and both Josephs?

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