Is this person saved?

3/3/2017 4:29:22 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	If a person answers an altar call, gives his heart to Jesus, has an emotional experience, maybe cries a little bit, but who has no inention of repenting of his sins, and in fact does not repent of his sins, is that petson still saved? I mean, if it takes faith and faith alone, is he still saved? Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
3/3/2017 5:04:14 PM	Is this person saved?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: If a person answers an altar call, gives his heart to Jesus, has an emotional experience, maybe cries a little bit, but who has no inention of repenting of his sins, and in fact does not repent of his sins, is that petson still saved? I mean, if it takes faith and faith alone, is he still saved? How can any know if they cannot read the persons heart? Can you do that? I can read English , French and a little Latin and German. But not at all read" heart". Pretty sure only Jesus can. I know this one was though: 41 We are suffering justly, because we are getting what we deserve for what we have done; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he was saying, “Jesus, [please] remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43 Jesus said to him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, today you will be with Me in [c]Paradise.” Luke 23:32-43 Amplified Bible (AMP) How can you tell if someone does not mean it? Are you psychic? Me? I cannot tell.
3/3/2017 5:18:32 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	We can't tell, in individual cases. We can't even tell absolutely about our own case. But I posed this as a hypotehetical question, that way, we're not judging anybody. Is the guy in my scemario saved or not?
3/3/2017 5:56:37 PM	Is this person saved?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Luke 16:15 Verse Concepts And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God I pray they are. But how would I know? What seems 'good" to men, may not be. Are you saying that an addict lets say, slips up after he reaches out to God , is not really repentant? Or a person with a mental illness, slips up after, then they are not really saved? I would say this verse shows an understanding Christ: ? Hebrews 4:15 ? New International Version For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.
3/3/2017 7:53:56 PM	Is this person saved?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote Lud: "We can't even tell absolutely about our own case." You don't actually believe that ^ do you, Lud? You're just flying a "kite" to get posted comments, right?
3/3/2017 8:01:30 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Okay, let's say it was me. Let's say I got "saved" as described above, but with no repentance for my sins. Am I still saved? Since this is a hypothetical, feel free to sit in judgment. The point is not to judge anybody here. The point is, I want to see if the evangelicals on here consider repentance to be that important, or if you guys only think the emotional thing is important.
3/3/2017 8:28:45 PM	Is this person saved?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	The case you gave is hypothetical and probably would never happen in reality as God knows the heart and the actual circumstances in REAL cases. That said, no one case of being "saved" is exactly the same, each is a situational thing personal to the person/situation. But you carry on sinning and running to the confessional if that keeps you happy.
3/3/2017 9:27:11 PM	Is this person saved?
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 61, joined Dec. 2012	Mt 21:28-32 answers this, The Parable of the Two Sons 28. “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’ 29; “ ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went. 30. “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go. 31. “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”“The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
3/3/2017 9:40:22 PM	Is this person saved?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Philippians 2: 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not only in my presence, but now even more in my absence, continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good pleasure.… Not all sin is actually realized all the times when one first accepts Christ. Sometimes one has to be convicted of their sin, and that comes with prayer .
3/3/2017 9:45:04 PM	Is this person saved?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	Repent does not mean to blurt out all your sins asking for forgiveness. Strongs G3340 metanoeo met-an-o-eh'-o from G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction) KJV - repent
3/3/2017 9:57:56 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	The prodigal son clearly was repentant, and that's why he was forgiven. And true, we don't always know or remember our sins, and sometimes, as we draw closer to the Lord, we become convicted, in our hearts, of sins we didn't know before. But here's what I'm asking---the new Christian, just now having given his heart to Jesus at an altar call, does he have to repent of his sins, known and unknown, or is just the emotional experience and the resulting faith in Christ sufficient for salvation? In a nushell, faith and repentance necessary, or just faith?
3/3/2017 10:11:01 PM	Is this person saved?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	At an "altar" call there may be an acknowledgment of sin maybe not. Depends on the format and what has happened prior in counseling, preaching, teaching etc. I was not at a church when I was saved and received the holy spirit - like I said there is no fixed format.
3/4/2017 12:51:57 AM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Do you really think a person can be truly saved without repenting of his sins?
3/4/2017 1:22:00 AM	Is this person saved?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Do you really think a person can be truly saved without repenting of his sins? I cannot answer for others. Only me. And I had no idea that some of things I thought and did were a sin, until after I accepted Christ. In fact, some things I only realized after a few years. I remember one night, some one asking me for spare change, and I gave them a Twooney, that`s a 2 dollar coin we have. But that bothered me all the way back to my Car. And I could not understand why. I had broken none of the 10 commandments , by only giving them a twooney. No written law had I broken. But later that week, still was bothered. So I studied what sin really is, and "missing the mark " came up. I had missed the mark, I could have done more, and when I had that "urging " to do so? Had ignored it. Not sure, but I think I have read about sin of omission.And I think I sinned . Forgiveness , is another thing that took me a long time. I think there is a fine line, in knowing we are sinners so reach out to God, and then being a work in progress. I dunno about alter calls. I accepted Christ after a very dark night of the soul, by my self in my bed at home where I was recuperating. But I was, still very much, a work in progress. Its why I do not think we need to be clean or sin free to come to Christ. That is putting the cart before the horse. There is no way I could have put all my anger and sin away by my own works. I needed to accept him first to get "healed". We come to Christ as sinners, and he works on us if we truly accept him. And how can we know what another person is battling? The pain they are in? Addicts can actually convulse and die , so when one accepts Christ, then slips? Does Jesus reject them? I do not think so. I think, Jesus is patient and works on those who truly seek him.
3/4/2017 6:33:31 AM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	At the point where we first start serving the Lord, no we haven't been enlightened to all our sins and failings, and no, we don't become perfect saints overnight, but a person who has an emotional experience and turns to Jesus without at least the general intention of repenting from and turning from sin has not undergone a genuine conversion. I'm speaking of anyone and everyone here, I'm not trying to point fingers at any individual person. If we have this kind of conversion experience (I did, at a youth summer camp altar call at age 13), I think we need two keep two very important things in mind: (1) just because we have had one of these experiences doesn't mean we are saved or even that we are in the state of grace, it only means our spiritual journey with the Lord has begun, and (2) if this experience doesn't have with it at least a general intention of giving up sin (repentance) the experience isn't worth spit. I know most evangelical Protestants disagree with me on point one, but I was wondering the other day about point two. Do these "saved" Christians really understand that without repentance---and repentance means at least the firm intention of giving up sin---(not saying all habits of sin go away instantly, just saying we have to have the intention of right living)---this repentance must be there from the get-go or we are fooling ourselves. In my case, at the aforementioned youth summer camp, the Methodist seminarians running it did instruct us very carefully thst our conversion experience meant that we had to repent, so good for them on that. But they did tell us the absurd thing that now that we were saved, we wouldn't even want to sin (what a crock that is). Protestants, if you have had a poeerful conversion experience, good. But don't go around claiming to be saved---one mortal sin and the Christian is back in sin again. And remember if the intention to repent wasn't there, your emotional conversion experience is worthless from the get-go.
3/4/2017 8:11:04 AM	Is this person saved?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from cupocheer: Quote Lud: "We can't even tell absolutely about our own case." You don't actually believe that ^ do you, Lud? You're just flying a "kite" to get posted comments, right? Lud?
3/4/2017 4:07:28 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Yes, I really do believe that.
3/4/2017 6:34:22 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: In my case, at the aforementioned youth summer camp, the Methodist seminarians running it did instruct us very carefully thst our conversion experience meant that we had to repent, so good for them on that. But they did tell us the absurd thing that now that we were saved, we wouldn't even want to sin (what a crock that is). When once you sincerely grasp the profound truth of sonship with God you will indeed not want to sin which obviously you have not, Ludlow. Protestants, if you have had a poeerful conversion experience, good. But don't go around claiming to be saved---one mortal sin and the Christian is back in sin again. And remember if the intention to repent wasn't there, your emotional conversion experience is worthless from the get-go. Then all your confessions and supposed repentance every month for the last 45 years are by your own words clearly worthless.
3/4/2017 6:39:51 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Kb, tell me that you personally never have any desire to sin, no temptation to sin, and that you never sin. Tell me, that, KB, then tell us how you became so holy and perfect. Many of the great saints of the Church went to Confession every day.
3/4/2017 6:55:17 PM	Is this person saved?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Yes, I really do believe that. I'm weeping. LUD, Have you accepted God into your heart? Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior? Has the Holy Spirit settled upon your soul? If you answer yes to those questions, you are saved. If you answer yes to the questions and still have doubts about your salvation, as you say, you are not saved. Please contemplate my words, Lud, and let me know -- Are you saved, or are you not saved? If you are not saved will you allow me to pray with, and for you, to lead you to salvation and eternal life?
3/4/2017 7:46:33 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Yes to the first three questions. No, this doesn't mean I am automatically saved. If you want to pray for me, good, I appreciate prayers from anyone. I pray frequently for all the regulars on the DH forums. We might disagree on some things but I never doubted your sincerity or good will, Cup. May God bless you.
3/4/2017 7:52:41 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Kb, tell me that you personally never have any desire to sin, no temptation to sin, and that you never sin. Tell me, that, KB, then tell us how you became so holy and perfect. That's right, Ludlow, my sinful days are behind me and I have no desire to sin and this is due to my personal relationship with God who I strive to become more like. Many of the great saints of the Church went to Confession every day. Well, clearly they weren't very saintly if they couldn't stop sinning.
3/4/2017 7:56:13 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Yes to the first three questions. No, this doesn't mean I am automatically saved. If you want to pray for me, good, I appreciate prayers from anyone. I pray frequently for all the regulars on the DH forums. We might disagree on some things but I never doubted your sincerity or good will, Cup. May God bless you. I suggest you pray for the integrity and willpower to stop lying and bearing false witness, Ludlow. And whatever else you do that necessitates your need to go to confession every month for the last 45 years.
3/4/2017 8:01:05 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Are you perfect, KB? Do you never sin?
3/4/2017 8:25:46 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	I said my sinful days are behind me, Ludlow, but that doesn't make me or anyone likeminded perfect. Why do you think so-called saints are great saints if they can't stop sinning, Ludlow? Why can't you stop sinning?
3/4/2017 8:46:06 PM	Is this person saved?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Thank you, Lud. In my religious beliefs I am most sincere. You recognizing that without knowing the real life me attests to God's grace in my life, you know. The Bible says (paraphrasing) -- by your works you shall be known. Praise God! See, LUD, I don't HAVE to do works, I just do works for God as a saved (born again) Christian because the Holy Spirit in my soul leads me to do them. Those words don't cost me anything. That's the blessing of God. Your salvation doesn't cost you anything, either, LUD. It's free and forever if you only believe, LUD. You don't have to work for it; it is given to you as a gift from God. God is not an Indian giver, LUD. He will not take His gift back, no matter what you do. God made that promise to us and God doesn't, cannot, lie. The way to salvation and eternal (spiritual) life is simple and easy. "For God so loved the world (that's you, LUD) that He gave His only begotten son (Jesus Christ) that whosoever shall believeth in him shall not perish but shall have eternal life." That's it! Believe in Jesus Christ -- the one who died (a human death) for our sins. We don't have to die for our sins, LUD. Jesus has already done that. By the shed blood of Jesus we don't have to die (a spiritual death) for our sins. Ever. Sure, as humans, we were born into sin, we are faced with worldly, sinful things every day, but as burn again Christians we don't have to become as we were before being saved. We are going to sin, but it is not going to strip put salvation away from us. We know we have sinned, we strive not to, but we know we can go to God and ask to be forgiven of those sins. God is a merciful God. God is a forgiving God. The Bible teaches us that God never puts more on us than we can stand. That goes for sin after being saved, as well, LUD. What a magnificent God we serve. God, my God, I, your humble servant, ask that you touch me with your power of forgiveness and remove all uncleanliness from me as I work in your name-brand to your good. Amen. God, please know that a precious souks, LUD, lives in a state of confusion about his salvation. He has laid claim to believing in you God. He claims his salvation through acceptance of your son, Jesus Christ. He claims he has allowed the Holy Spirit to take up residence in his soul. Yet, due to his Christian teachings in a church which has smothered his free thought and will be expresses doubt about his salvation. A true believer does not doubt their salvation, God, so I pray that you will find it in your grace to present your conviction upon the heart of Lud and cleanse his mind and soul of any doubt that he is your child doe eternity. In the previous name of Jesus Christ I offer up this prayer in behalf of my Christian brother, LUD. Amen
3/4/2017 8:55:30 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from kb2222: I said my sinful days are behind me, Ludlow, but that doesn't make me or anyone likeminded perfect. Why do you think so-called saints are great saints if they can't stop sinning, Ludlow? Why can't you stop sinning? The truth is, no matter how good we get, or think we are, there is always room for improvement. Sometimes it happens that, as we advance in the spiritual life, we remember sins from way back when that we never confessed.
3/4/2017 9:20:07 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from cupocheer: Thank you, Lud. In my religious beliefs I am most sincere. You recognizing that without knowing the real life me attests to God's grace in my life, you know. The Bible says (paraphrasing) -- by your works you shall be known. Praise God! See, LUD, I don't HAVE to do works, I just do works for God as a saved (born again) Christian because the Holy Spirit in my soul leads me to do them. Those words don't cost me anything. That's the blessing of God. Your salvation doesn't cost you anything, either, LUD. It's free and forever if you only believe, LUD. You don't have to work for it; it is given to you as a gift from God. God is not an Indian giver, LUD. He will not take His gift back, no matter what you do. God made that promise to us and God doesn't, cannot, lie. The way to salvation and eternal (spiritual) life is simple and easy. "For God so loved the world (that's you, LUD) that He gave His only begotten son (Jesus Christ) that whosoever shall believeth in him shall not perish but shall have eternal life." That's it! Believe in Jesus Christ -- the one who died (a human death) for our sins. We don't have to die for our sins, LUD. Jesus has already done that. By the shed blood of Jesus we don't have to die (a spiritual death) for our sins. Ever. Sure, as humans, we were born into sin, we are faced with worldly, sinful things every day, but as burn again Christians we don't have to become as we were before being saved. We are going to sin, but it is not going to strip put salvation away from us. We know we have sinned, we strive not to, but we know we can go to God and ask to be forgiven of those sins. God is a merciful God. God is a forgiving God. The Bible teaches us that God never puts more on us than we can stand. That goes for sin after being saved, as well, LUD. What a magnificent God we serve. God, my God, I, your humble servant, ask that you touch me with your power of forgiveness and remove all uncleanliness from me as I work in your name-brand to your good. Amen. God, please know that a precious souks, LUD, lives in a state of confusion about his salvation. He has laid claim to believing in you God. He claims his salvation through acceptance of your son, Jesus Christ. He claims he has allowed the Holy Spirit to take up residence in his soul. Yet, due to his Christian teachings in a church which has smothered his free thought and will be expresses doubt about his salvation. A true believer does not doubt their salvation, God, so I pray that you will find it in your grace to present your conviction upon the heart of Lud and cleanse his mind and soul of any doubt that he is your child doe eternity. In the previous name of Jesus Christ I offer up this prayer in behalf of my Christian brother, LUD. Amen We don't have to work to get grace. But we do have to do good works to get to Heaven. Salvation is like going to college where the tuition has been paid by someone else. Yes, it's a free education, but one still has to work and study to graduate. If we don't work to overcome our sins, and if we don't do thungs to help other people, we won't go to Heaven no matter how much faith we have. Often it happens that good Protestant Christians actually are trying to become better people, and actually do a lot tobhelp other people, and that's good, but it often happens that a Protestant will think, oh, I'm saved, I don't have to give up my sins, I don't have to help other people. The latter will not be saved.
3/4/2017 9:21:08 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: The truth is, no matter how good we get, or think we are, there is always room for improvement. Sometimes it happens that, as we advance in the spiritual life, we remember sins from way back when that we never confessed. Is this supposed to be your honest answer to the two questions I asked you? This is why you call so-called saints great saints? You are so ego driven you just refuse to see the insincerity in going to confession every month for the last 45 years so you assert you go because you have a bad memory?
3/4/2017 9:26:24 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	I wish I were perfect like you, KB, and didn't need to go to Confession.
3/4/2017 9:31:46 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: We don't have to work to get grace. But we do have to do good works to get to Heaven. Salvation is like going to college where the tuition has been paid by someone else. Yes, it's a free education, but one still has to work and study to graduate. If we don't work to overcome our sins, and if we don't do thungs to help other people, we won't go to Heaven no matter how much faith we have. Often it happens that good Protestant Christians actually are trying to become better people, and actually do a lot tobhelp other people, and that's good, but it often happens that a Protestant will think, oh, I'm saved, I don't have to give up my sins, I don't have to help other people. The latter will not be saved. Protestants don't believe as you say they do so why are you lying? They may believe they are saved if they have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior but they also believe they should not sin and strive to live by the Golden Rule.
3/4/2017 9:38:13 PM	Is this person saved?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	LUD, I've have set out what the Bible says about Salvation. If you chose not to believe the word of God but wish to cling to the teachings of your man-made church doctrine, so be it. I let go and let God where you are concerned. Peace & Blessings
3/4/2017 9:39:04 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: I wish I were perfect like you, KB, and didn't need to go to Confession. You are pathetic, Ludlow. Were your relationship sincere and with God/Jesus you wouldn't be going to any priest to confess your sins once a month for 45 years. You don't need to go anywhere other than within with sincerity, Ludlow.
3/4/2017 10:00:32 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Yes, KB, if I were perfect like you, I would not need Confession. It must be nice.
3/4/2017 10:12:59 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	You are pathetic, Ludlow. Were your relationship sincere and with God/Jesus you wouldn't be going to any priest to confess your sins once a month for 45 years. You don't need to go anywhere other than within with sincerity, Ludlow.
3/4/2017 10:28:02 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	When should have I achieved erfection, KB? After the first year? The second year? The tenth year? The twentieth year? How long did it take you? What year did you become perfect, KB?
3/5/2017 9:12:27 AM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from kb2222: I said my sinful days are behind me, Ludlow, but that doesn't make me or anyone likeminded perfect. Why do you think so-called saints are great saints if they can't stop sinning, Ludlow? Why can't you stop sinning?
3/5/2017 11:55:40 AM	Is this person saved?
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 76, joined Feb. 2011	Sounds like someone has a lot of self-righteous pride so perhaps it would be wise for this individual to pay close attention to what it is saying in verse 8 1st John 1:5-10 (5) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. (6) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: (7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. (8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Explanation for (1st John 1:5-10) from http://htmlbible.com/kjv30/henry/index.htm Verse 5-10 - A message from the Lord Jesus, the Word of life, the eternal Word, we should all gladly receive. The great God should be represented to this dark world, as pure and perfect light. As this is the nature of God, his doctrines and precepts must be such. And as his perfect happiness cannot be separated from his perfect holiness, so our happiness will be in proportion to our being made holy. To walk in darkness, is to live and act against religion. God holds no heavenly fellowship or intercourse with unholy souls. There is no truth in their profession; their practice shows its folly and falsehood. The eternal Life, the eternal Son, put on flesh and blood, and died to wash us from our sins in his own blood, and procures for us the sacred influences by which sin is to be subdued more and more, till it is quite done away. While the necessity of a holy walk is insisted upon, as the effect and evidence of the knowledge of God in Christ Jesus, the opposite error of self-righteous pride is guarded against with equal care. All who walk near to God, in holiness and righteousness, are sensible that their best days and duties are mixed with sin. God has given testimony to the sinfulness of the world, by providing a sufficient, effectual Sacrifice for sin, needed in all ages; and the sinfulness of believers themselves is shown, by requiring them continually to confess their sins, and to apply by faith to the blood of that Sacrifice. Let us plead guilty before God, be humble, and willing to know the worst of our case. Let us honestly confess all our sins in their full extent, relying wholly on his mercy and truth through the righteousness of Christ, for a free and full forgiveness, and our deliverance from the power and practice of sin.
3/5/2017 1:23:41 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from slowpoke7: Very well put and I agree - It is somewhat of a misleading statement when someone is basically saying that unless an individual has actually read/studied the Urantia Book then they don't really know what they are talking about. It is not necessary to read more than a page or two in order to make a decision about that book. If we are aware of something that has been written in a particular book (either by way of someone posting a direct quote from that book or if we read it from that very book ourselves) that we believe is not true then that in itself is all we need to know as to whether or not we should put our faith in such a book. Quote from kb2222: Do you braindead idiots think you could reach the same conclusion after reading only a page or two in the Bible especially with all the rampant killing (slaughtering) of people for all sorts of absurd reasons? It should be obvious to all God/Jesus loving and sane people on this site that it is inhumane wickedness to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons and to slaughter men, women, children, infants and even animals in the name of God. That's not the nature of God that Jesus came into the world and revealed and if you so-called Christians can't accept what Jesus revealed you most certainly are NOT His followers.
3/5/2017 2:48:17 PM	Is this person saved?
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 76, joined Feb. 2011	Commiting Sin is not something that is past tense only as some self-righteous individuals claim it to be. According to (1st John 1:8) a person would be deceiving themselves and not telling the truth if he or she claim that they no longer sin. As for myself I know that I am still a sinner regardless of how I try to live so I thank you JESUS for shedding your precious blood on the cross for sinners like me.
3/5/2017 3:04:29 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Are you still committing sin, slowpoke? If so, why?
3/5/2017 3:05:17 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	It should be obvious to all God/Jesus loving and sane people on this site that it is inhumane wickedness to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons and to slaughter men, women, children, infants and even animals in the name of God. That's not the nature of God that Jesus came into the world and revealed and if you so-called Christians can't accept what Jesus revealed you most certainly are NOT His followers. Christians should be striving to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him - and this cannot be done without rejecting all scripture in the book the church compiled that is incompatible with His teachings. If you disagree with the above, slowpoke, then step up and say why?
3/5/2017 3:53:41 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Are you still commotting sin, KB? If so, why? More importantly, if not, how did you become so holy? We are a sinful race (the human race, I mean). We sin. Wven the best of us could confess something every week.
3/5/2017 4:30:19 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Are you still commotting sin, KB? If so, why? More importantly, if not, how did you become so holy? We are a sinful race (the human race, I mean). We sin. Wven the best of us could confess something every week. First your warped mind equates not sinning with being perfect now you equate it with being holy when neither is the case. You didn't answer my question, Ludlow. Why do you claim so-called saints are "great saints" when they can't keep from sinning? If as you believe Jesus willingly died on the cross for the remission of sin why is it you continue to sin, Ludlow? Why is it you apparently think God has asked man to do the impossible?
3/5/2017 4:35:07 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Why do you continue to sin? And why isn't freedom from sin the same as holiness? Can a person who is from an "inferior" or "degenerate" strain of people ever achieve holiness or sinlessness?
3/5/2017 4:45:29 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Why don't you answer my questions, Ludlow?
3/5/2017 4:46:26 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from kb2222: It should be obvious to all God/Jesus loving and sane people on this site that it is inhumane wickedness to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons and to slaughter men, women, children, infants and even animals in the name of God. That's not the nature of God that Jesus came into the world and revealed and if you so-called Christians can't accept what Jesus revealed you most certainly are NOT His followers. Christians should be striving to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him - and this cannot be done without rejecting all scripture in the book the church compiled that is incompatible with His teachings. If you disagree with the above, slowpoke, then step up and say why? Why do you hide, slowpoke?
3/5/2017 6:32:52 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Why don't you answer MY questions, KB? You want Catholics and evangelicals to be perfect. Where is your perfection? [Edited 3/5/2017 6:33:16 PM ]
3/5/2017 7:16:52 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	I said my sinful days are behind me, Ludlow, but that doesn't make me or anyone likeminded perfect. Why do you think so-called saints are great saints if they can't stop sinning, Ludlow? Why can't you stop sinning? If as you believe Jesus willingly died on the cross for the remission of sin why is it you continue to sin, Ludlow? Why is it you apparently think God has asked man to do the impossible? Why don't you truthfully answer for once in your life, Ludlow?
3/5/2017 9:49:29 PM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	No matter how saintly we become there is always some finevtuning that can be done. That's why the saints continued to go to Confession.
3/6/2017 9:54:45 AM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: No matter how saintly we become there is always some finevtuning that can be done. That's why the saints continued to go to Confession. The saints are great saints and you have gone to confession at least once a month for the last 45 years confessing your continue sinning because you and the saints are/were "finevtuning" yourselves, you and the saints are just "finevtuning" your lack of control, your lack of sincerity? [Edited 3/6/2017 9:55:28 AM ]
3/6/2017 10:44:32 AM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	Are you perfect? Christ came to call,not the righteous, but sinners. A person who thinks he has no sins to confess is as self-righteous as the Pharisees.
3/6/2017 11:27:47 AM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Are you perfect? Christ came to call,not the righteous, but sinners. Yes, Christ came to call not the righteous but sinners. So what's your point in saying this? Do you think you serve or fool God by feigning sincerity in your once a month for the last 45 years sin confessional? Your clear problem, Ludlow, is insincerity. You don't love God/Jesus and value truth when it conflicts with your church indoctrinated warped mind. That's why you respond as you do dancing around the arrogant foolishness you display. A person who thinks he has no sins to confess is as self-righteous as the Pharisees. Why do you apparently think its impossible for one to have sincerely repented of their sin(s) and no longer sin, Ludlow? Do you still commit the same sin(s) over and over again? You obviously do. Can't you control yourself, Ludlow? You can't serve two master's, Ludlow. Love God more than self (or church dogma) and desire to become more like Him and you will find sincerity and the desire to no longer sin. For you to claim this is impossible is utter satanic foolishness, Ludlow.
3/6/2017 11:36:52 AM	Is this person saved?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 64, joined Feb. 2008	How do you know I, or anybody else, commits the same sins over and over? Maybe some people only have venial sins to confess. Maybe some people confess sins from way back that they didn't remember, or that they only realized years later were sins. Maybe some people reconfess old sins, just to get the grace that comes with going to Confession (that's allowed and encouraged).
3/6/2017 12:16:47 PM	Is this person saved?
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 76, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Are you perfect? Christ came to call,not the righteous, but sinners. A person who thinks he has no sins to confess is as self-righteous as the Pharisees. I would say the words of Jesus in these verses should be very clear concerning those who think they are so righteous that they no longer have anything to confess. Explanation for (Luke 18:9-14) from http://htmlbible.com/kjv30/henry/index.htm Verse 9-14 - This parable was to convince some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others. God sees with what disposition and design we come to him in holy ordinances. What the Pharisee said, shows that he trusted to himself that he was righteous. We may suppose he was free from gross and scandalous sins. All this was very well and commendable. Miserable is the condition of those who come short of the righteousness of this Pharisee, yet he was not accepted; and why not? He went up to the temple to pray, but was full of himself and his own goodness; the favour and grace of God he did not think worth asking. Let us beware of presenting proud devotions to the Lord, and of despising others. The publican's address to God was full of humility, and of repentance for sin, and desire toward God. His prayer was short, but to the purpose; God be merciful to me a sinner. Blessed be God, that we have this short prayer upon record, as an answered prayer; and that we are sure that he who prayed it, went to his house justified; for so shall we be, if we pray it, as he did, through Jesus Christ. He owned himself a sinner by nature, by practice, guilty before God. He had no dependence but upon the mercy of God; upon that alone he relied. And God's glory is to resist the proud, and give grace to the humble. Justification is of God in Christ; therefore the self-condemned, and not the self-righteous, are justified before God.
3/6/2017 1:15:39 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: How do you know I, or anybody else, commits the same sins over and over? Maybe some people only have venial sins to confess. Maybe some people confess sins from way back that they didn't remember, or that they only realized years later were sins. Maybe some people reconfess old sins, just to get the grace that comes with going to Confession (that's allowed and encouraged). You have said you have gone to confession at least once a month for 45 years and that totals 540 times and I can't think of 540 different sins, can you? So you must be committing or confessing over and over the same sins - and this because you lack sincerity and/or self-control and did not sincerely repent, right, Ludlow? That's why you assert its impossible not to sin, right, Ludlow?
3/6/2017 1:17:37 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	*Quote from kb2222: It should be obvious to all God/Jesus loving and sane people on this site that it is inhumane wickedness to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons and to slaughter men, women, children, infants and even animals in the name of God. That's not the nature of God that Jesus came into the world and revealed and if you so-called Christians can't accept what Jesus revealed you most certainly are NOT His followers. Christians should be striving to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him - and this cannot be done without rejecting all scripture in the book the church compiled that is incompatible with His teachings. If you disagree with the above, slowpoke, then step up and say why? Why do you hide and not answer, slowpoke? [Edited 3/6/2017 1:17:54 PM ]
3/6/2017 2:00:55 PM	Is this person saved?
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 76, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from kb2222: *Quote from kb2222: It should be obvious to all God/Jesus loving and sane people on this site that it is inhumane wickedness to stone and burn people to death at the stake for all sorts of absurd reasons and to slaughter men, women, children, infants and even animals in the name of God. That's not the nature of God that Jesus came into the world and revealed and if you so-called Christians can't accept what Jesus revealed you most certainly are NOT His followers. Christians should be striving to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him - and this cannot be done without rejecting all scripture in the book the church compiled that is incompatible with His teachings. If you disagree with the above, slowpoke, then step up and say why? Why do you hide and not answer, slowpoke? kb - I have already responded to your questions several times in the past and I have no intention of repeating myself or responding in a different way so you are wasting your time if you think otherwise.
3/6/2017 4:12:46 PM	Is this person saved?
kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 76, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from slowpoke7: kb - I have already responded to your questions several times in the past and I have no intention of repeating myself or responding in a different way so you are wasting your time if you think otherwise. Stop making excuses. The only question I asked is do you agree with what I said and if you do not then state your disagreement. You can do that, can't you, slowpoke? What the hell are you afraid of, slowpoke?
3/6/2017 5:16:19 PM	Is this person saved?
slowpoke7 Hendersonville, TN 76, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from kb2222: Stop making excuses. The only question I asked is do you agree with what I said and if you do not then state your disagreement. You can do that, can't you, slowpoke? What the hell are you afraid of, slowpoke? I am not making any excuses. Like I said before I have already responded to your question(s) of how I felt about the situation several times in the past and since you do not want to accept my response then that is your problem.

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