| 3/13/2017 12:03:07 PM |
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sillylaugher61
Murrysville, PA
55, joined Aug. 2011
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as much as many Republicans campaigned on repealing obamacare, it now looks as if that will not happen. Due to the fact that the dems in the Senate hold just enough seats to
keep the repeal from happening. Sadly we are going to get stuck with the Ryan plan.
Hopefully the following year, we can work on removing a part or 2 next year.
Trump needs to put the blame suqarely on the Dems!
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| 3/13/2017 5:48:27 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
66, joined Nov. 2007
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as much as many Republicans campaigned on repealing obamacare, it now looks as if that will not happen. Due to the fact that the dems in the Senate hold just enough seats to
keep the repeal from happening. Sadly we are going to get stuck with the Ryan plan.
Hopefully the following year, we can work on removing a part or 2 next year.
Trump needs to put the blame suqarely on the Dems!
The problem is that the new healthcare bill is way to much like the one they are trying to replace.US Senator DR Rand Paul has a plan that would work for EVERYONE but he is having a hard time getting the establishment to listen to him.With all of the dummycrats and several GOP senators not on board with this new healthcare bill I don't see it going anywhere.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 3/13/2017 7:12:08 PM |
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sillylaugher61
Murrysville, PA
55, joined Aug. 2011
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we will NEVER get 60 votes in the Senate for full repeal.
We also need tax reform done this year!
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| 3/13/2017 7:37:05 PM |
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sureshot40
Drumright, OK
48, joined Apr. 2011
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The bill does nothing to address the cost of healthcare, why an asprin cost 8 dollars in the hospital, why a fifteen minute procedure cost 10,000 or why a doctor has to pay outrages liability insurance price. If these issues were solved, people wouldn't need ins. or ins. would be affordable. It does create another expensive subsidy/entitlement.
Republican establishment has had 6years to come up with answers.
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| 3/13/2017 10:50:58 PM |
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stargazzer
Creighton, NE
68, joined Feb. 2007
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Right now the Republicans are at a D- heading to F as in failure 
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| 3/13/2017 10:58:03 PM |
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indianadave1951
Mishawaka, IN
66, joined Dec. 2010
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The unafordable care act is breaking the middle class financially. As much as I disliked how things were before Obama things were not as bad.
The original system needed fixing but Obama and the dems made a mess of things. I hope the reps think about things a little longer than the dems did. Unless, of course, making a welfare medical system were their original plan to begin with.
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| 3/14/2017 2:53:07 PM |
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sillylaugher61
Murrysville, PA
55, joined Aug. 2011
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Right now the Republicans are at a D- heading to F as in failure
I asked what they should do. your comment really adds nothing.
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| 3/14/2017 5:07:33 PM |
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stargazzer
Creighton, NE
68, joined Feb. 2007
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I asked what they should do. your comment really adds nothing.
Just what they said they would do, Repeal 1st then Replace. With what you ask?`
Free market compitition of corse & nation wide plans. For the emergency cases that can't pay, Bake sales, Comunity donations, Raffels, Churches,
America din't become great on wellfare or socialisum
Yes this time take back what was handed over in 2009
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| 3/14/2017 6:53:49 PM |
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sillylaugher61
Murrysville, PA
55, joined Aug. 2011
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Just what they said they would do, Repeal 1st then Replace. With what you ask?`
Free market compitition of corse & nation wide plans. For the emergency cases that can't pay, Bake sales, Comunity donations, Raffels, Churches,
America din't become great on wellfare or socialisum
Yes this time take back what was handed over in 2009
We don't have 60 votes in the Senate. the dems will never vote to repeal.
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| 3/14/2017 10:20:26 PM |
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stargazzer
Creighton, NE
68, joined Feb. 2007
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We don't have 60 votes in the Senate. the dems will never vote to repeal.
So just let them keep a foot on the neck of our Republic? I'd rather not 
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| 3/17/2017 2:44:18 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
66, joined Nov. 2007
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This comment is from a lady Named Joyce Miller.I have followed her on the tea party web site.She is very smart and straight to the point.
Semper Fi !!!
I just finished talking with our Representative Rob Wittman's office staff and asked what is going on with the government deciding what our health care will be. The frustrating part is that they are not being told what the bill looks like and Ryan intends to vote to pass it next week. There is something familiar about this means o process that is very unsettling. Will we again have to pass it to find out what is in it? Personally it is significant that the Constitution DOES NOT give the government the permission or authority to decide as to what health care opptions I should have. Obama created the non constitutional precidence which should also be repealed. Second Americans have had a tradition, at least until Obama snookered America, to make these decisions for themselves. We are offended that the government, who has NEVER managed a program successfully or efficiently is telling us that they will decide for us. America this is of great concern this painted over and flipped and possibly flopped Obamacare that appears to be planned behind closed doors and is so odorus that not even the congress members are allowed to have knowledge of what it is. Familiar?
From The Tea Party web site:
It appears, from President Trump's statements this morning that the American People have been had again by Paul Ryan's service to Obama before President Trump was elected to his apparent service to Obama even now via a Nancy Pelosi style pushed through a so called health care that is just a warmed over Obama Care .It is interesting, as stated before ,that Paul Ryan and the others creators of this so called Ryan bill has been supported by George Soros. Why has Tump pushed this bill is beyond our understanding and beyond acceptance of it as a bill geared to return to us the health care that was stolen from America via a lie and fraudulent justification.
Essentially Paul Ryan provided Obama the spending he needed to support his corrupt policies. Paul Ryan apparently wants to ram Obama's legacy program down Americas throat for the second time just redressed it. Paul Ryan insists on NOT doing what America was promised Repeal Obamas' lack of care but to enshrine it forever. He says it will reduce cost but does not tell us that it will reduce it at best 10% and it will take years to do that. We will have to pay for the bail out of insurance companies out of our pockets and there still is a penalty. This bill is a lie that Paul Ryan will not allow any changes to that will make it a free market system serving the people not aiding the government ability to create another entitlement program that we cannot afford.
One thing about entiltements, the recipiants DO NOT have to give back to the community for anything in return. Some states are now requiring community service for freebees such as welfare etc. The recipiants voluntarily dropped out becasue they just wanted the freebee that everyone else paid for. They did not want to work for their food stamps. The same principal should be applied to tax subsidies for their health care insurance. It is good idea to require to give back in some form to the community for the support received. it is called a work ethic.
Sen. Rand Paul just dragged the GOP replacement for the Affordable Care Act through the mud, and had some harsh words for House Speaker Paul Ryan while he was at it.
In an opinion piece published Wednesday by Breitbart, the Kentucky Republican refused to call the GOP health care bill by its name — the America Health Care Act. Instead, he chose to refer to it as “Obamacare Lite.”
“The current Ryan Plan — ‘Obamacare Lite’ — is not about patients,” Paul wrote in a dig at the Wisconsin Republican. “It isn’t about better health care. It isn’t about lowering costs. It is, plain and simple, about getting more money to the insurance companies and running more of your life from Washington.”
Paul started off the piece with a bombshell about the role he could play in the new health care bill. “Though I want to believe the glass is half full, I am tempted, very tempted, to smash a glass half full of Obamacare Lite — smash that glass to smithereens!” he wrote.
Later in the piece, Paul explained that there must be a better way to get Americans the good health care they expect.
“It doesn’t have to be this way. We just had an election about change, about draining the swamp,” he wrote. “President Trump promised to be different, and I believe he sincerely wants to be. But he is being taken for a ride through the swamp right now on ‘Obamacare Lite.’
“For four STRAIGHT elections, REPUBLICANS ran on repealing Obamacare,” Paul wrote. “And now ‘Republican orthodoxy’ — I’m told — is keeping insurance subsidies, mandates, taxes, and insurance company bailouts.
“That’s not acceptable to me. And it isn’t keeping our promise.”
After going on at length criticizing the GOP health care replacement bill, Paul concluded with some uncompromising words for Republican politicians.
“While I am a ‘glass is half full’ kind of guy, I also would love to give the middle finger to the man that profits off of government bailouts and forces his or her monopoly brand of insurance schemes on an often worried and defenseless public,” he wrote. “Just say no to Obamacare, to Obamacare Lite, and to any scheme to enrich the insurance cartel.”
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| 3/19/2017 9:12:03 AM |
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stargazzer
Creighton, NE
68, joined Feb. 2007
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Looks unlikely All of us will be all happy with this bill but if Trump sines it I will be ready to move on to the tax bill. Can't stay gummed up on this for long
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| 3/19/2017 12:09:29 PM |
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sureshot40
Drumright, OK
48, joined Apr. 2011
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I won't like the bill but at least it will do away with the mandate and fine.
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| 3/19/2017 3:20:47 PM |
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stargazzer
Creighton, NE
68, joined Feb. 2007
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For me it should have ben fairly simple, Repeal, Then replace with open Nation wide vendors of Insurance. Pick your own & pay for your own or not. Everyone is eligable to buy into very large groups.
but getting on to the taxes is super importaint. Can not aford to be hung up on heath care for long.
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| 3/19/2017 5:39:54 PM |
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purplerider1200
South Bend, IN
61, joined Aug. 2011
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This new bill has one thing going for it-it can be amended. Forcing people to buy it was stupid from day one. Problem is, the dems, (Most must hypochondriacs) have gone into panic mode. Many can't grasp the idea of NOT having health insurance for five minutes. These are the same people who panic if they have to be out in the sun for two minutes, flip out over one cruddy plastic bottle thrown away, not even look at a bicycle without a helmet. ( I think they actually believe that they will get lung cancer, if they even SEE a smoker) Nothing will be perfect at first. Give it a chance. Trump hasn't taken a whack at these drug companies-YET. But I see them using the nuclear option way more than the dems think.
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| 3/19/2017 7:41:50 PM |
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sillylaugher61
Murrysville, PA
55, joined Aug. 2011
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For me it should have ben fairly simple, Repeal, Then replace with open Nation wide vendors of Insurance. Pick your own & pay for your own or not. Everyone is eligable to buy into very large groups.
but getting on to the taxes is super importaint. Can not aford to be hung up on heath care for long.
the Dems will NOT SUPPORT being allowed to shop across state lines!
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| 5/6/2017 7:30:12 PM |
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cafe_express
Mobile, AL
84, joined Mar. 2013
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This is still being revised and the dems are refusing to pass it in the senate.
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| 5/7/2017 3:36:01 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
66, joined Nov. 2007
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This is still being revised and the dems are refusing to pass it in the senate.
Not all people are as stupid as most liberals so I expect to see the dems get hammered come election time.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 5/7/2017 8:35:24 PM |
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cafe_express
Mobile, AL
84, joined Mar. 2013
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The main driver of premium increases is the dysfunctional ObamaCare regulatory apparatus. While Americans were promised massive reductions in premiums and more consumer choice when ObamaCare was passed, the reality is that premiums and deductibles are rising and markets from Tennessee to Iowa are imploding.
The high premium, high deductible plans offered on the ObamaCare exchanges are so unattractive to millions of people that they choose to pay a penalty and forego coverage entirely, creating adverse selection in the markets and increasing premiums ever more. I risked it for 3 years with no insurance. It was that or not pay my rent.
That is not what the media and TV night shows would have you believe.
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| 5/8/2017 9:46:49 AM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
66, joined Nov. 2007
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The main driver of premium increases is the dysfunctional ObamaCare regulatory apparatus. While Americans were promised massive reductions in premiums and more consumer choice when ObamaCare was passed, the reality is that premiums and deductibles are rising and markets from Tennessee to Iowa are imploding.
The high premium, high deductible plans offered on the ObamaCare exchanges are so unattractive to millions of people that they choose to pay a penalty and forego coverage entirely, creating adverse selection in the markets and increasing premiums ever more. I risked it for 3 years with no insurance. It was that or not pay my rent.
That is not what the media and TV night shows would have you believe.
One important thing nobody seems to take to account is the fact that 20,000,000 out of 320,000,000 are covered by o-buttheadcare.That leaves 300 million that aren't covered by this shit healthcare Bill that should have never been passed or turned into an unconstitutional law!
Check this one out:
Liberals are having a pity party. They’re outraged over the fact that Obamacare was just repealed, and the long-standing piece of job-killing, anti-American legislation is no more. Finally, we’re getting back to the American way of doing things.
Over 150,000 tweets with the hashtag “IAmAPreexistingCondition” flooded the internet in just one day. One of the most outrageous tweets came from actress Alyssa Milano. She actually said, “My name is Alyssa Milano. I have anxiety disorder, pregnancies, 2 c-sections and cystic acne. #IAmAPreexistingCondition,” via CBS News.
In case you don’t already know, Alyssa Milano is worth 45 MILLION dollars. She’s in much better financial shape than just about anyone else in the country. Indeed, having 45 million dollars in the bank makes someone part of the 1%. This means Milano is in a better position than nearly anyone to pay for her own medical care — yet, predictably, she’s just one more liberal who thinks the government should foot the bill.
Maybe Milano should just shut up instead, pay for her insurance, and give some of her considerable fortune to people on the streets who are ACTUALLY struggling to pay for their medicine. There are people on the streets, even veterans (which is sickening in and of itself), who can’t get their hands on the medications they need. But please, by all means, let’s make sure the Hollywood elite don’t have to pull their weight.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 5/8/2017 11:26:33 AM |
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sureshot40
Drumright, OK
48, joined Apr. 2011
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I'm not sure this proposed healthcare bill is any good but if it does away with the mandate/fine/tax then it has to be better than Obamacare.
One local Catholic hospital wanted to cover a limited amount of people but only cover the things they do in their hospital but the regulations wouldn't allow it. We should be able to buy any kind of coverage from any where we want.
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| 5/8/2017 3:18:09 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
66, joined Nov. 2007
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I'm not sure this proposed healthcare bill is any good but if it does away with the mandate/fine/tax then it has to be better than Obamacare.
One local Catholic hospital wanted to cover a limited amount of people but only cover the things they do in their hospital but the regulations wouldn't allow it. We should be able to buy any kind of coverage from any where we want.
I think it's going to be another wait and see whats in it Bill.I don't like that bullcrap,It needs to be read and understood by everybody!!
Semper Fi !!!
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| 5/21/2017 11:50:43 PM |
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rcrmike
Souderton, PA
58, joined Apr. 2009
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Just what they said they would do, Repeal 1st then Replace. With what you ask?`
Free market compitition of corse & nation wide plans. For the emergency cases that can't pay, Bake sales, Comunity donations, Raffels, Churches,
America din't become great on wellfare or socialisum
Yes this time take back what was handed over in 2009
Hold on slightly Star...
When we think back to the several elections since OBummerCare was jammed up our asses, ALL Republican candidates campaigned on REPEALING OBUMMERCARE. There was NO "campaigning" on a replacement for it. Americans rejected the idea of Socialized Healthcare and Socialized Insurance long before we knew what dangers OBummerCare contained. It was government mandated insurance. It was even to be enforced by the IRS! WTF??? How does the IRS get entwined into healthcare?
Soooo, the voting public gave the Republican party the majority that they begged for, and promised, to REPEAL OBummerCare. Now that they control both houses, they all have amnesia and are singing the chorus of "Repeal and Replace". That's NOT why WE voted for them! They are pulling a bait-and-switch today! And getting away with it.
To be fair. ONLY Trump campaigned on Repeal AND Replace. It was the one thing I didn't agree with. Here's why. Lets say that both houses miraculously agree on an amazing healthcare scheme and Trump signs it. We saw what the Liberals did with THEIR version. Do we honestly think, when given half a chance, some future Liberal Congress might progressively REFORM it to make it to THEIR liking? Once its legislated today, it's the law! Legislation doesn't often get repealed, but it DOES get "reformed". Then it can be modified to some future Socialist's wildest imaginations. They've been attempting to get Socialized Healthcare for the last 100 years. They've never gotten this close. They aren't going to give up now. Not unless it is REPEALED, DEFEATED, and DONE-WITH FOREVER. America doesn't want Socialism! Period!!!
Star's second suggestion may appear to be whimsical at first glance, but it's actually very accurate. When we observe history, America's hospitals were FIRST built by mostly the Catholic Churches and a few others. There was no such thing as health insurance. The poor were cared-for by the churches and the community at large. That is, until we began to legislate everything.
Let's analyze "everything government". Has government been efficient at doing anything? Absolutely NOT! We can proclaim AFFORDABLE as much as we want, but it will never be, if government is connected in any way. Their track record is my evidence. Lets take war for example. We have the best military. It costs a fortune. Annnnd we can't win a war against a third World country! What's with THAT! Never mind we arm our enemies! That's the kind of nonsense that get's legislated. Government is full of incompetents. Always will be. That, or Socialist wannabes.
Ahhh, but the free market is exactly the opposite. Lets begin with insurance. Insurance isn't healthcare, it's insurance. At first, the present Big Insurance leftovers will monopolize the industry, overcharge, and under-deliver covered ailments. It's all we will have to choose from. Until the public complains. Next will come fresh new competition to steal a few of their customers. It's called competition. "Build it and they will come"! There will always be someone willing to build a better mousetrap or to be more efficient and/or give better coverage. Think car insurance. We have plans to fit multitudes of circumstances. The customer chooses THEIR best option. For them.
Now Healthcare. Healthcare is science advances, doctors and hospitals. We have the best there is right now. Only if we allow them to do what they do. But we don't! Government and insurance accountants tie their hands and make their job next to impossible. Legislation and regulations IS NOT healthcare. It's red tape and paperwork! Not what we wish to experience when our health is in the balance. We are so used-to it, we forget what medical possibilities might be if we allow experts do what they do best. Doctors are like mechanics. We don't tell them what to do, we just demand their best, and expect it. The lousy ones don't last. Competition makes the entire field better.
In conclusion, we need to stop going along with repeal and replace. The replacement part is still Socialism no matter which side of the isle is the author. Nobody is saying it. Say it that way and it should fail immediately. Call it what it is. Call OUR Republican Congressmen Socialists and they should drop it like a hot potato. But Socialism is exactly what the Liberal/Democrats want. It's what they have indoctrinated our children with in our schools. One more generation of Socialist school indoctrination and we will have only Socialist candidates to choose from. This is not a one topic problem, but it has happened "progressively" for 100 years.
We ARE out of time. This is our biggest and most important battle to save our country from Socialism. The terrorist are NOT the threat that the Socialists are. The Socialists ARE the enemy within. Within OUR government. We can fight and kill terrorists. We can't kill our elected. We got laws against that kinda thing. 
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