The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).

3/25/2017 5:05:36 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
testsignup Springfield, VA 64, joined Sep. 2009	Amazing but true: all of the people who most often post complaints about "liberals" being the cause of all the worlds ills, prove by complaining about WHAT they complain about, that *they themselves are absolutely and intensely liberal themselves.* The reason they don't realize it, is that they never once in all their lives, bothered to learn what ACTUAL liberalism is. The people they are using as representatives of liberals, are always people who have conclusively proven by their actions that they are NOT liberals. Try it yourself. Actually look up and read about ACTUAL liberalism. It's about things like actual Freedom of Speech, individual liberty, and all sorts of cool things that most modern Anti-liberals rant in favor of. There's nothing more liberal, than believing that every citizen has the right to arm themselves for self-protection, be able to vote for their own representative government, and not be personally interfered with. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
3/25/2017 5:22:40 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
drwookie Reading, PA 64, joined May. 2013	The anti-liberals have plenty of fake sources full of anti-facts to bicker against your hypotheses.
3/25/2017 5:33:53 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
tragicparrot Painesville, OH 98, joined Mar. 2014	This somehow reminds me of the time I stopped to change an old lady's tire, refused any payment, and she remarked what a good young Christian I must be.
3/25/2017 5:37:05 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
thread_killer Stockbridge, GA 98, joined Sep. 2016	Quote from testsignup: Amazing but true: all of the people who most often post complaints about "liberals" being the cause of all the worlds ills, prove by complaining about WHAT they complain about, that *they themselves are absolutely and intensely liberal themselves.* The reason they don't realize it, is that they never once in all their lives, bothered to learn what ACTUAL liberalism is. The people they are using as representatives of liberals, are always people who have conclusively proven by their actions that they are NOT liberals. Try it yourself. Actually look up and read about ACTUAL liberalism. It's about things like actual Freedom of Speech, individual liberty, and all sorts of cool things that most modern Anti-liberals rant in favor of. There's nothing more liberal, than believing that every citizen has the right to arm themselves for self-protection, be able to vote for their own representative government, and not be personally interfered with. Classic "I know you are! But what am I?" post. Can't really say, that I miss the 1st grade. Nice try, though.
3/25/2017 6:03:34 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
cinnamonnhaze Minneapolis, MN 53, joined Apr. 2014	The "Christians" on DH would have drove on by - paranoid that the little old lady was really a suicide bomber in disguise.
3/25/2017 6:09:12 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
sdgncalix3 Palm Bay, FL 44, joined Dec. 2012	Its cool that people are christians, just dont tell me i have to be or that I am wrong because I am not.
3/25/2017 6:12:07 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Liberals talk a lot of shit, no question. But they don't deliver and we all know it. The reason why they don't deliver is because liberalism is first and foremost capitalist and that makes it inherently right-wing. The greater the crisis of capitalism becomes, the more liberalism tosses aside any and all of its proud rhetoric and pursues a nasty, disgusting, far-right-wing agenda. -------------- Why is American liberalism bankrupt? A history lesson for New York Times columnist Bob Herbert By Tom Eley 19 September 2008 World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/09/herb-s19.html [Edited 3/25/2017 6:13:19 PM ]
3/25/2017 6:13:52 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
sdgncalix3 Palm Bay, FL 44, joined Dec. 2012	If everyone would stay the hell out of everyone else's business, we would have a lot less problems.
3/25/2017 6:38:28 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
pizzagate Aurora, CO 39, joined Feb. 2017	Quote from testsignup: Amazing but true: all of the people who most often post complaints about "liberals" being the cause of all the worlds ills, prove by complaining about WHAT they complain about, that *they themselves are absolutely and intensely liberal themselves.* The reason they don't realize it, is that they never once in all their lives, bothered to learn what ACTUAL liberalism is. The people they are using as representatives of liberals, are always people who have conclusively proven by their actions that they are NOT liberals. Try it yourself. Actually look up and read about ACTUAL liberalism. It's about things like actual Freedom of Speech, individual liberty, and all sorts of cool things that most modern Anti-liberals rant in favor of. There's nothing more liberal, than believing that every citizen has the right to arm themselves for self-protection, be able to vote for their own representative government, and not be personally interfered with. actually.....I call y'all a bunch of lyin a** leftist sissys.
3/25/2017 7:00:51 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
jitssbaby617 Roslindale, MA 39, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from testsignup: Amazing but true: all of the people who most often post complaints about "liberals" being the cause of all the worlds ills, prove by complaining about WHAT they complain about, that *they themselves are absolutely and intensely liberal themselves.* The reason they don't realize it, is that they never once in all their lives, bothered to learn what ACTUAL liberalism is. The people they are using as representatives of liberals, are always people who have conclusively proven by their actions that they are NOT liberals. Try it yourself. Actually look up and read about ACTUAL liberalism. It's about things like actual Freedom of Speech, individual liberty, and all sorts of cool things that most modern Anti-liberals rant in favor of. There's nothing more liberal, than believing that every citizen has the right to arm themselves for self-protection, be able to vote for their own representative government, and not be personally interfered with. Are you quarter retarded drunk or high? Today's liberal university's are shutting down 1st amendment, lock up blacks for 2 years if that are in possession of the 2nd. You are outta touch
3/25/2017 7:06:59 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
w6o6l6f_1 Richmond, VA 40, joined May. 2014	I was a liberal at one time. Voted for Gore. Then evolved when they started to be anti-American. Liberals today are not the same as they were a decade ago.
3/25/2017 7:16:24 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
pizzagate Aurora, CO 39, joined Feb. 2017	Quote from w6o6l6f_1: I was a liberal at one time. Voted for Gore. Then evolved when they started to be anti-American Liberals today are not the same as they were a decade ago. Then evolved when they started to be anti-American. Then evolved when they started to be anti-American. Then evolved when they started to be anti-American. So f**king true. The leftists messiah...the Kenyan conman....called for an end to American exceptionalism. And leftist from coast to coast thought that was such an evolved vision. To purposely step down from the spot as the nation that sets standards across the globe. And let someone else do it now. Anti-American or just plain gay....it was just another way to hurt the nation from a man who despised the country he led. Backed 100% by the idiots who can't see why it is crucial to stay on top. The fools who couldn't tell they were being flashed a forged document via PDF.
3/25/2017 7:19:09 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
jason_in_tx Bryan, TX 34, joined Apr. 2013	Quote from w6o6l6f_1: I was a liberal at one time. Voted for Gore. Then evolved when they started to be anti-American. Liberals today are not the same as they were a decade ago. Gore isn't a liberal. He's a do nothing centrist just like Hillary Clinton.
3/25/2017 7:22:08 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
pizzagate Aurora, CO 39, joined Feb. 2017	Quote from jason_in_tx: Gore isn't a liberal. He's a do nothing centrist just like Hillary Clinton. You're probably a big fan of ending American exceptionalism.
3/25/2017 8:00:03 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from pizzagate: You're probably a big fan of ending American exceptionalism. "American exceptionalism" is a ruse used by the ruling-class to rally the underclass to support their imperialist wars. And liberalism, being a right-wing capitalist entity, is 100% in favor of imperialist wars. -------------- Obama's legacy of war, repression and inequality 10 January 2017 World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/01/10/pers-j10.html Excerpt: Obama is the first president in American history to serve two full terms in office with the nation at war. This includes the continued bloodletting in Afghanistan and Iraq, the bombing of Libya, the six-year-long war for regime change in Syria, and support for the Saudi-led destruction of Yemen. A recent survey reported that in 2016, US Special Operations forces were deployed in 138 nations, or 70 percent of the countries of the world. The “wars of the 21st century,” begun under Bush and expanded under Obama, have killed more than a million people and driven millions more from their homes, producing the worst refugee disaster since the Second World War. Obama’s “pivot to Asia” has inflamed tensions from the South China Sea to India and Pakistan. The current president will leave the White House as NATO troops deploy to Eastern Europe in the midst of an anti-Russia war hysteria stoked by the media and the Democratic Party. Obama is the “drone” president, supervising the killing of some 3,000 people in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya by means of unmanned aerial vehicles, along with several thousand more in Iraq and Afghanistan. [Edited 3/25/2017 8:01:06 PM ]
3/25/2017 8:04:02 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jason_in_tx: Gore isn't a liberal. He's a do nothing centrist just like Hillary Clinton. It's not Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama who don't understand liberalism. They all understand it perfectly well. It's you and most of the American people who consider themselves to be liberal who don't really understand liberalism.
3/25/2017 8:07:28 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
pizzagate Aurora, CO 39, joined Feb. 2017	"American exceptionalism" is a ruse used by the ruling-class to rally the underclass to support their imperialist wars. And liberalism, being a right-wing capitalist entity, is 100% in favor of imperialist wars. Quite possible. Yet it still exists. We are the most powerful nation on earth. And our government was set up to be "by the people and for the people". So should we ever get enough of us to open our eyes and flex our nuts to take it back....it would be nice to know that we still have a strong nation when its said and done.
3/25/2017 8:17:19 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
jason_in_tx Bryan, TX 34, joined Apr. 2013	Quote from condor_0000: It's not Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama who don't understand liberalism. They all understand it perfectly well. It's you and most of the American people who consider themselves to be liberal who don't really understand liberalism. Do the world a favor and shut the fk up. You rarely know what the fk you're talking about. All you do is copy and paste bullshit. You rarely have an original thought in that pea brain of yours. [Edited 3/25/2017 8:19:17 PM ]
3/25/2017 9:43:37 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
mralwaysrite Estevan, SK 55, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from w6o6l6f_1: I was a liberal at one time. Voted for Gore. Then evolved when they started to be anti-American. Liberals today are not the same as they were a decade ago. Domestically, there are many examples showing the differences between liberals and conservatives, however, globally, self-acclaimed liberals do have different beliefs, policies, mentality, and adaptability. For example; The Trudeau governing liberals recently ABOLISHED the following work visa/work permit rule; "Canadian companies must show they've made every effort to hire Canadians before bringing in a skilled foreigner." Gone! And to my knowledge, the U.S. has a similar work visa rule American liberals would definitely retain.
3/25/2017 9:50:54 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
maniacmassager Lawrence, MA 51, joined Mar. 2008	Quote from testsignup: Amazing but true: all of the people who most often post complaints about "liberals" being the cause of all the worlds ills, prove by complaining about WHAT they complain about, that *they themselves are absolutely and intensely liberal themselves.* The reason they don't realize it, is that they never once in all their lives, bothered to learn what ACTUAL liberalism is. The people they are using as representatives of liberals, are always people who have conclusively proven by their actions that they are NOT liberals. Try it yourself. Actually look up and read about ACTUAL liberalism. It's about things like actual Freedom of Speech, individual liberty, and all sorts of cool things that most modern Anti-liberals rant in favor of. There's nothing more liberal, than believing that every citizen has the right to arm themselves for self-protection, be able to vote for their own representative government, and not be personally interfered with. Your talking about liberalism of yesteryear. liberalism is now a sickening disease.
3/25/2017 11:47:18 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
amadaea Murfreesboro, TN 31, joined Apr. 2016	Liberalism, as any ideology, is no exception to corruption. By politics. Just like faith.
3/26/2017 12:41:51 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 66, joined Oct. 2010	I am not sure why Liberals are associated with Democrats. I grew up here in Texas, and back in the 60's we were Democrats here, and we were very Conservative. I am not sure I ever changed. If I did, I don't know when it was, because I pretty much vote for Democrats and I'm still Conservative. I think Republicans are in some kind of a habit referring to liberals as someone who don't agree with them on some of their stupid policies and tactics. Right now, I think the Republicans have headed their party into the ditch, and have become laughing stock. There is no way I could vote with or for those guys these days. Perhaps it's the Trump factor, but damn, he ran as a Republican, so they sucked up and voted for him anyway even though they hate the guy! What a shame! What a country! And wow! What a party of idiots!
3/26/2017 1:05:38 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	You know, maybe the problem is that the liberals we have are just not radical enough. Maybe if we had some truly radical liberals, why they wouldn't be so quick to yield to the every whim and desire of the far-right-wing. You know, radical liberals like Syriza in Greece. Yeah! Surely radical liberals wouldn't be so quick to concede to the demands of the far-right. On the other hand, perhaps liberalism is simply itself a right-wing entity. Perhaps those who believe liberalism is coming to their rescue are nothing but stupid fking chumps. ---------------- The Political Lessons of Syriza’s Betrayal in Greece** 13 November 2015 World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/13/icfi-n13.html Excerpt: As it swept into office in January, Syriza pledged to end European Union (EU) austerity measures. The EU’s savage social attacks had placed Greece at the center of the relentless global assault on living standards and basic rights of workers that has proceeded since the 2008 crash, and millions of workers and youth internationally looked to the struggles of the Greek working class. Media coverage, criticisms of Syriza from reactionary EU politicians, and the statements of Syriza itself all led masses of people to believe that Tsipras and his finance minister, Yanis Varoufakis, were firebrands ready to take on Greek and international capitalism. Both within and outside of Greece, countless parties presenting themselves as “anti-capitalist” or “left” hailed Syriza’s rise to power as a triumph for the left and a model for the struggle against austerity in Europe and internationally. In the ensuing eight months, however, Syriza comprehensively betrayed its election promises. After signing an agreement to extend EU austerity measures in February, only weeks after coming to power, it trampled the landslide “no” vote in the referendum on austerity that it organized in July and rammed a massive new austerity bailout through parliament.
3/26/2017 1:07:41 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	The liberal labor unions will save us all. Surely we can count on those liberals. --------------- Union betrayal of workers is a feature of liberalism in every country. Unions strangle Quebec nurses' strike By Keith Jones 27 July 1999 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jul1999/que-j27.shtml CUPE leadership isolating Toronto city workers’ strike By Carl Bronski 27 July 2009 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jul2009/toro-j27.shtml "The UAW knew what was coming, but they got a good deal out of it for themselves." Chrysler workers react to job cuts, denounce union betrayal By a WSWS reporting team 3 November 2007 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/nov2007/chry-n03.shtml Boeing: engineers: union sellout follows betrayal of machinists' strike By Hector Cordon 17 November 2008 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/boei-n17.shtml GM-Chrysler merger: United Auto Workers union prepares another betrayal By Tom Eley 4 November 2008 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/auto-n04.shtml More Chrysler locals reject UAW contract betrayal By Jerry White 22 October 2007 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/oct2007/chr1-o22.shtml US auto workers denounce UAW betrayal at Ford ?The union is so intertwined with the company they are giving away the whole store? By Jerry White 6 November 2007 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/nov2007/uaw-n06.shtml Union surrenders benefits, wages in sellout of California grocery strike By Rafael Azul and John Andrews 2 March 2004 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/mar2004/supe-m02.shtml UAW local presidents ratify historic betrayal of US auto workers By Shannon Jones 29 September 2007 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/uaw-s29.shtml Detroit American Axle workers speak out against UAW betrayal By Jerry White and our reporting team 23 May 2008 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/may2008/axle-m23.shtml US union leaders split ranks of striking telecom workers By a correspondent 24 August 2000 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/aug2000/cwa-a24.shtml Background to the West Virginia mine disaster Massey Energy and the United Mine Workers union By Jerry White 7 April 2010 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/apr2010/mass-a07.shtml Union moves to strangle grocery workers? struggle in Southern California By Andrea Peters 8 January 2004 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/groc-j08.shtml Detroit union betrays teachers, agrees to concessions contract By Joseph Kay 25 August 2005 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/aug2005/teac-a25.shtml Union isolates locked-out San Francisco hotel workers By Rafael Azul 20 November 2004 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/nov2004/hotl-n20.shtml Wage-cutting deal at New Castle Machining and Forge Pay cut for auto workers means payoff for UAW By Shannon Jones 10 June 2003 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/uaw-j10.shtml Corporate America honors US auto union president By Shannon Jones 2 February 2008 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/feb2008/gett-f02.shtml Australia: Union prepares sell-out of TAFE teachers struggle By our reporters 10 December 2009 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/tafe-d10.shtml Sri Lankan trade unions betray teachers strike By W. A. Sunil 3 November 2007 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/nov2007/sril-n03.shtml Britain: Communication Workers Union sabotages postal strike By Chris Marsden 7 November 2009 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/nov2009/post-n07.shtml Germany: train drivers? union capitulates By Ludwig Niethammer 6 September 2007 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/gdl-s06.shtml Australia: Ambulance union sells out MICA paramedics campaign By Terry Cook 10 September 2009 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/sep2009/mica-s10.shtml Ireland: Trade unions paved way for mass sackings at Aer Lingus By Steve James 23 March 2010 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/mar2010/aerl-m23.shtml French railway strike betrayed By Antoine Lerougetel 24 November 2007 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/nov2007/fran-n24.shtml SEIU chief Andrew Stern to resign By Shannon Jones 22 April 2010 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/apr2010/ster-a22.shtml Backroom deals by US service unions strip workers of rights http://wsws.org/articles/2008/may2008/seiu-m19.shtml [19 May 2008] More right-wing proposals from the American labor bureaucracy http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/feb2007/ster-f12.shtml [12 February 2007] Detroit teachers union launches intimidation campaign to push sellout deal By Jerry White 15 December 2009 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/teac-d15.shtml Detroit teachers’ union blocks strike action against wage cuts, layoffs DFT committed to implement Obama’s school “reform” By Jerry White 28 August 2009 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/aug2009/teac-a28.shtml Philadelphia teachers union calls off strike By Jerry White 31 October 2000 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/oct2000/phil-o31.shtml “Teachers were crucified as a step in the destruction of public education” Richmond, California, teachers union pushes through concessions contract By Joe Kishore 19 December 2009 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/educ-d19.shtml Union backs attacks on teachers in Washington, D.C. By Niall Green, June 8, 2010 http://www.wsws.org/search/index.php?action=showSearchResult&query=teachers+union&language=en&chunk=3 Tentative pact by Minnesota nurses’ union gives up safe patient ratios By Ron Jorgenson 5 July 2010 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jul2010/minn-j05.shtml
3/26/2017 2:55:08 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 66, joined Oct. 2010	Yes, we know condor, Liberals cause Hemorrhoids too- haven't you heard? Liberals are the reasons why shit stinks! If it weren't for liberals, we would have Utopia! If it weren't for liberals, we would all go to heaven! Hell, if it weren't for liberals, there would be no need to go to heaven, as we would have heaven right here on earth! Liberals killed Kennedy! There are only two kinds of people- perfect people and liberals! Liberals cause cancer! Liberals cause tsunamies! Liberals killed Rock N' Roll! Liberals cause rust! Liberals cause termites- and those pesky roaches. Did I leave anything out?
3/26/2017 3:42:27 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
doublethree Germantown, TN 40, joined Oct. 2013	Speaking of dumb liberals, CNN is going all out with like 100 articles, it seems, talking about what a failure Trump is because of the healthcare plan not passing. lmao. Just think whether or not they would EVER do that to the last guy in office when he didn't get his way. What a loser organization it is and trump should not ever allow them into anything the rest of the media gets into. Everyone already knew for a LONG time this plan was going to not get enough votes and the idiots at cnn act like it's a shocker. Morons. Also, the liberal media keeps saying how horrible trump's approval rating is and that it's because "his own supporters" are leaving him. You mean polls by the same people whos aid Hillary had the election wrapped up? Yeah, we sure better trust those as fact. Idiots. [Edited 3/26/2017 3:43:24 AM ]
3/26/2017 3:43:39 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
w6o6l6f_1 Richmond, VA 40, joined May. 2014	The modern definition of a liberal is someone who believes they should get entitlements for others hard work. I.E. Giving better treatment to those fight against us instead of those who fight for us.
3/26/2017 6:08:03 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
w6o6l6f_1 Richmond, VA 40, joined May. 2014	https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infidel
3/26/2017 6:30:39 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
maniacmassager Lawrence, MA 51, joined Mar. 2008	Quote from fishnthec: Yes, we know condor, Liberals cause Hemorrhoids too- haven't you heard? Liberals are the reasons why shit stinks! If it weren't for liberals, we would have Utopia! If it weren't for liberals, we would all go to heaven! Hell, if it weren't for liberals, there would be no need to go to heaven, as we would have heaven right here on earth! Liberals killed Kennedy! There are only two kinds of people- perfect people and liberals! Liberals cause cancer! Liberals cause tsunamies! Liberals killed Rock N' Roll! Liberals cause rust! Liberals cause termites- and those pesky roaches. Did I leave anything out? Yes. liberalism can single handedly destroy our Country.
3/26/2017 6:43:30 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from w6o6l6f_1: The modern definition of a liberal is someone who believes they should get entitlements for others hard work. You're thinking of rich capitalists. Capitalists don't do any productive labor of their own, rather they are parasites who suck the wealth out of workers who do all the productive labor.
3/26/2017 6:45:56 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
amadaea Murfreesboro, TN 31, joined Apr. 2016	Quote from w6o6l6f_1: The modern definition of a liberal is someone who believes they should get entitlements for others hard work. I.E. Giving better treatment to those fight against us instead of those who fight for us. Maybe it's time for people to turn their brain on, peel the lies off and get to the old forgotten truths. Do something that has been long overdue. Too long.
3/26/2017 6:46:41 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from maniacmassager: Yes. liberalism can single handedly destroy our Country. And it destroys by pursuing the far-right-wing agenda desired by the nation's capitalist ruling-class. ----------------- The Right-Wing Lives in Such a Blissful World By Condor We just finished 8 years where, what the right-wing described as a "far left-wing, commie-socialist," was the president. And during that presidency we saw tremendous gains for the far-right. Barack Obama delivered a right-wing multi-trillion dollar bailout to the far-right's beloved capitalist system. He delivered lots of right-wing imperialist war. He attempted a right-wing, regime-change operation in Syria. He delivered a right-wing Nazi coup in Ukraine. He delivered the right-wing agenda of no increase in the minimum wage. He initiated a widely-hated, right-wing, gangster-capitalist health-care program. He appointed right-wing Federal Reserve chairmen who delivered a bonanza to the right-wing stock market as it gained 3 fold, vastly increasing the wealth of rich capitalists (i.e., the right-wing). He increased right-wing government spying on the public. He embraced a right-wing agenda of deporting more "illegals" than any other president. He increased a further build out of the right-wing police-state in America. He delivered for the right-wing a substantial increase in killer-cops. He increased the right-wing attack on the public-school system. And he shut down the leftist, Occupy Wall Street movement, to the delight and benefit of the right-wing. And yet, still the right-wing whined and cried and b*tched and moaned. They angrily denounced Obama as being a "socialist" and a "commie" even as he delivered to the far-right their every whim and desire. Now imagine if Republicans delivered left-wing, national health-care; a left-wing living-wage law; the left-wing end of imperialist war; the left-wing shutting down of big-government spying on the public; the left-wing shoring up of Social Security making it a valid retirement program for the elderly; the left-wing increasing of taxes on billionaire gangster-capitalists; the left-wing prosecution of corporate criminals; the left-wing prosecution of killer-cops; etc. when they were in power as the left-wing whined and cried and moaned and complained, angrily calling them "fascist Nazis" as the left-wing waited for Democrats to return to power and deliver even more left-wing gains.
3/26/2017 6:48:11 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from w6o6l6f_1: The modern definition of a liberal is someone who believes they should get entitlements for others hard work. You're thinking of rich capitalists. Capitalists don't do any productive labor of their own, rather they are parasites who suck the wealth out of workers who do all the productive labor.
3/26/2017 8:11:07 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
maggievalleymtn North Myrtle Beach, SC 65, joined Jun. 2013
3/26/2017 9:38:57 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
mralwaysrite Estevan, SK 55, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from fishnthec: I am not sure why Liberals are associated with Democrats. I grew up here in Texas, and back in the 60's we were Democrats here, and we were very Conservative. I am not sure I ever changed. If I did, I don't know when it was, because I pretty much vote for Democrats and I'm still Conservative. I think Republicans are in some kind of a habit referring to liberals as someone who don't agree with them on some of their stupid policies and tactics. Right now, I think the Republicans have headed their party into the ditch, and have become laughing stock. There is no way I could vote with or for those guys these days. Perhaps it's the Trump factor, but damn, he ran as a Republican, so they sucked up and voted for him anyway even though they hate the guy! What a shame! What a country! And wow! What a party of idiots! Your self-acclaimed conservatives never had total control of both the white house and congress, however, many items on their wish list have already been implemented in Canada by both governing liberals and conservatives.....since 1993, 11 Tea Party Movement Non-negotiable Core Beliefs were implemented; I keep saying our 1990/2000 governing liberals were the most center-right governing party in modern North American history, "center-right" according to policies today's American liberals would definitely oppose/reject, and even demonized. Examples; Our 1990/2000 governing liberals a. Were the founding fathers of our 15% federal corporate tax rate b. They've chartered a quasi-government agency in charge of investing our social security excess contributions in stocks, bonds, real estate, toll roads/bridges world-wide c. They've eliminated our fiscal deficits by reforming various social programs/services d. Balanced the budget with ONLY spending cuts, 20% cuts over three years. f. Transferred many financial/administrative responsibilities to the Provinces, such as abolishing the federal minimum wage law g. Enraged Federal unions with mass CIVILIAN layoffs. h. Downsized the federal government I. stopped being intrusive Also, it was our governing liberals who gave provincial governments the powers to override supreme court decisions. Thus, as self-acclaimed liberals, HOW they've managed to implement all of the above, plus more? BECAUSE THEY WERE WILLING TO SET ASIDE TRADITIONAL BELIEFS/VALUES, AND DO WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY!
3/26/2017 9:50:02 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
mralwaysrite Estevan, SK 55, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from amadaea: Maybe it's time for people to turn their brain on, peel the lies off and get to the old forgotten truths. Do something that has been long overdue. Too long. I certainly agree with you, read my above post.
3/26/2017 9:56:04 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
mudclean Warren, MI 37, joined Sep. 2008	I think us anti-liberals have been fully educated as to what liberalism is and how it came about. Don't believe me? See for yourself. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwjUtIXTtvTSAhXB2SYKHbHLBQUQxa8BCBowAA&usg=AFQjCNF1sHlk2z9QIx28jtvfnGP_UlkifA&sig2=KAaKDqnkndieGcCzivh-kw
3/26/2017 10:09:39 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 66, joined Oct. 2010	Quote from w6o6l6f_1: The modern definition of a liberal is someone who believes they should get entitlements for others hard work. I.E. Giving better treatment to those fight against us instead of those who fight for us. You just described Corporate America that feels they should have entitlements for others hard Work! You just described Wall Street- who feels they should profit off of other's hard work. You just described the medical field- who thinks they should profit off of other's hard work. You just described the Insurance Industry who feels entitled to profiting off of the backs of hard working Americans. I would say, you don't know what the f**k you are even saying! You need to be listening- and learning- and not talking! Because you are just demonstrating your ignorance to everyone here!
3/26/2017 10:18:54 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
testsignup Springfield, VA 64, joined Sep. 2009	As I expected, all of the Anti-liberals are up to their usual behaviors: refusing to read what I ACTUALLY say, and inserting their fantasies in it's place; refusing to do their homework at all, and repeating the same false things they always do, characterizing (liberals in this case) based on EXCEPTIONS AND LIARS amongst them, rather than on what (in this case liberalism) the concept really stands for. finally, indulging in kindergarten-style name-calling, sometimes even as they accuse ME of child-like behavior. My opening post challenge still stands.
3/26/2017 10:36:00 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
nycman530 New York, NY 64, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from testsignup: Amazing but true: all of the people who most often post complaints about "liberals" being the cause of all the worlds ills, prove by complaining about WHAT they complain about, that *they themselves are absolutely and intensely liberal themselves.* The reason they don't realize it, is that they never once in all their lives, bothered to learn what ACTUAL liberalism is. The people they are using as representatives of liberals, are always people who have conclusively proven by their actions that they are NOT liberals. Try it yourself. Actually look up and read about ACTUAL liberalism. It's about things like actual Freedom of Speech, individual liberty, and all sorts of cool things that most modern Anti-liberals rant in favor of. There's nothing more liberal, than believing that every citizen has the right to arm themselves for self-protection, be able to vote for their own representative government, and not be personally interfered with. I would not even categorize today's left wing as liberals. Classic liberal characteristics are more in line with Conservatives. Classical liberals believed in limited Government, the rule of law, individual liberties, and free markets. Today's left wing is nothing like that. They have gravitated further left in recent years with an opposite philosophy than classical liberals. And as far as the cause of the world's ills, I say both parties are responsible for it but especially the self proclaimed "progressives" who are really regressive and want to divide by race, class, sex, etc. So left wingers shouldn't flatter themselves by claiming they're "liberal". [Edited 3/26/2017 10:37:09 AM ]
3/26/2017 10:55:11 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from mralwaysrite: Thus, as self-acclaimed liberals, HOW they've managed to implement all of the above, plus more? BECAUSE THEY WERE WILLING TO SET ASIDE TRADITIONAL BELIEFS/VALUES, AND DO WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY! No, they were willing to do what was best for capitalism and the gangster-capitalist elite. As we've all seen done now for many years, liberalism will eagerly set aside all of their "traditional beliefs/values" to do what is best for capitalism. What that means in practice is that liberal rhetoric is just a bunch of worthless shit. Capitalism is right-wing. As thorough-going capitalists, liberals are first and foremost right-wing. [Edited 3/26/2017 10:55:34 AM ]
3/26/2017 10:58:28 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
mudclean Warren, MI 37, joined Sep. 2008	Quote from testsignup: As I expected, all of the Anti-liberals are up to their usual behaviors: refusing to read what I ACTUALLY say, and inserting their fantasies in it's place; refusing to do their homework at all, and repeating the same false things they always do, characterizing (liberals in this case) based on EXCEPTIONS AND LIARS amongst them, rather than on what (in this case liberalism) the concept really stands for. finally, indulging in kindergarten-style name-calling, sometimes even as they accuse ME of child-like behavior. My opening post challenge still stands. Challenge accepted. Liberalism is a more socially acceptable word than socialism. Challenge won.
3/26/2017 11:06:19 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from mudclean: Challenge accepted. Liberalism is a more socially acceptable word than socialism. Challenge won. Liberalism is a capitalist entity, making it inherently right-wing. Socialism is government by the working-class, making it inherently left-wing. The reason why capitalism loves to declare liberalism as being the "left-wing" and nothing short of socialism and communism is because that effectively completely eliminates the left-wing. By declaring liberalism to be the left-wing, capitalism is safe and rich capitalists are always running the show.
3/26/2017 11:18:48 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
amadaea Murfreesboro, TN 31, joined Apr. 2016	Quote from mralwaysrite: I certainly agree with you, read my above post. People are too absorbed with who is right rather what is right. No one fights for ideas anymore. Rather for their points of view. And let's not forget the "individualism" (a new, improved definition of old "greed"). Since it's imbedded in human nature. I comes before we. Always.
3/26/2017 11:34:45 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 66, joined Oct. 2010	Quote from amadaea: People are too absorbed with who is right rather what is right. No one fights for ideas anymore. Rather for their points of view. And let's not forget the "individualism" (a new, improved definition of old "greed"). Since it's imbedded in human nature. I comes before we. Always. Personification is one thing- a vocal majority is another! Never underestimate the power of a majority! True Democracy depends on it!
3/26/2017 11:53:15 AM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
amadaea Murfreesboro, TN 31, joined Apr. 2016	Fish, Where did you see that "true" Democrapy last time? Oh, sorry, I meant "Democracy"... Voice of the majority? You mean "us is bigger so you will do what we want" sort of "democracy"? Democracy is utopia. And you are old enough to recognize it but you don't seem to. It's always a force. Or balance of forces in the case of best scenario. Was and will be. The strongest is the right one. Keep singing your democracy song, birdie
3/26/2017 12:09:03 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from amadaea: Fish, Where did you see that "true" Democrapy last time? Oh, sorry, I meant "Democracy"... Voice of the majority? You mean "us is bigger so you will do what we want" sort of "democracy"? Democracy is utopia. And you are old enough to recognize it but you don't seem to. It's always a force. Or balance of forces in the case of best scenario. Was and will be. The strongest is the right one. Keep singing your democracy song, birdie And what's right is for the minority of super-rich, capitalist, billionaire one-percenters to rape the fking shit out of the 99% and to loot the public till for capitalist bailouts and imperialist wars. That's just fking right, man! We need to eliminate all social spending on the 99% so that it can all go towards the wants and needs of the one-percenters. Any left over funds can then go to tax cuts for billionaires. That's just what's right! F**k democracy!
3/26/2017 12:16:13 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	The liberals will save us all from those raping, looting warmongering capitalists! We can all be sure of that. ------------------ The Democrats and the Bain Capital affair 25 May 2012 World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/may2012/pers-m25.shtml Excerpt: The Obama campaign’s criticism of Mitt Romney’s role as CEO the private equity firm Bain Capital set off a brief political flap in Washington that provides an object lesson in the hypocrisy and cynicism of big business politics in America. Both parties, the Democrats as much as the Republicans, are direct instruments of the rule of the financial elite. But for the purposes of deceiving working people, the Democrats occasionally posture as critics of Wall Street. Rarely has this pretense been exploded so quickly and thoroughly as in the Bain Capital affair. The Obama campaign raised the issue of Bain Capital in television ads citing Romney’s role in the destruction of two companies that were taken over by the private equity firm and eventually closed: GS Steel in Kansas City, where pensions were slashed and the jobs of 750 workers eliminated; and Ampad in Indiana, a maker of paper products, where demands for wage-cutting provoked a strike that ended with the workers jobless and the factory closed. In both cases, workers interviewed for the ads denounced Romney in terms far more pointed than Obama himself would ever use, calling the private equity boss a “vampire” who “sucked our blood” to make super-profits for his wealthy investors. The facts bear out the workers’ claims: at Ampad, for instance, Bain invested only $5 million, then compelled the company to borrow money from which Bain eventually extracted a staggering $107 million in profits, before the huge debts forced Ampad into bankruptcy and put the workers on the unemployment lines. Bain’s overall record, generating $2.5 billion in profits from the deployment of $1.1 billion in investor capital, is a demonstration of the parasitic and destructive role of finance capital. Precisely because Bain’s activities were not exceptional, but rather characteristic of Wall Street’s every-day plundering of the American economy, the reaction within top circles of the Democratic Party was to warn the Obama campaign that criticism of Romney’s role as CEO of the private equity firm was politically out of bounds. The push back was led by a key Obama political ally, Cory Booker, the African-American mayor of Newark, New Jersey, who appeared on Sunday’s “Meet the Press” program on NBC to declare that he found the Bain Capital ad against Romney “nauseating.” Booker’s queasiness is more than understandable. Wall Street has heavily backed his campaigns for mayor of Newark —one of America’s most impoverished cities—and provided him with more than a third of the fundraising—close to half a million dollars—for his likely next step up, a statewide race in New Jersey for senator or governor. The prospect of turning off that spigot is enough to make any Democratic politician sick to his stomach. There is little to distinguish Obama from Booker. Indeed, Bain executives actually donated more money to Obama in 2008 than to his Republican opponent John McCain, in keeping with Wall Street’s tilt to the Democrats that year. Even in 2012, when Wall Street money somewhat favors the Republicans, one leading Democratic donor is Bain executive Jonathan Lavine, who has already raised more than $200,000 for the Obama campaign. Lavine was actually on the board of Ampad in the 1990s, giving him an even more direct role in the attacks on the paper workers than Romney. Obama quickly saw the sense in Booker’s objections, which were seconded by multi-millionaire Democratic senators and other politicians dependent on Wall Street’s largesse. At a Monday press conference, barely 24 hours after Booker’s remarks, he declared that private equity investors “do good work”. He described their maniacal focus on profit maximization as “a healthy part of the free market.” By Wednesday, press reports indicated that the anti-Bain ads had been scrapped. There is hypocrisy in another sense. Obama criticizes Romney’s attacks on workers at Ampad and GS Steel when he has done exactly the same, and even more ferociously, in the forced restructuring of the US auto industry. As one pro-Democratic Party commentator, Matt Miller, pointed out in the Washington Post yesterday, “Barack Obama is the real private equity king in this race, not Mitt Romney… Obama fired management, shed workers, slashed costs, revamped operations, restructured the balance sheet and fashioned new strategies.” More fundamentally, Obama has spent his entire presidency defending the interests of the corporate financial oligarchy. From its inception, his administration has focused on how to save the banks and hedge fund bosses from financial collapse and restore them to profitability, at the expense of working people.
3/26/2017 12:21:40 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 45, joined Jul. 2013	Quote from testsignup: Amazing but true: all of the people who most often post complaints about "liberals" being the cause of all the worlds ills, prove by complaining about WHAT they complain about, that *they themselves are absolutely and intensely liberal themselves.* The reason they don't realize it, is that they never once in all their lives, bothered to learn what ACTUAL liberalism is. The people they are using as representatives of liberals, are always people who have conclusively proven by their actions that they are NOT liberals. Try it yourself. Actually look up and read about ACTUAL liberalism. It's about things like actual Freedom of Speech, individual liberty, and all sorts of cool things that most modern Anti-liberals rant in favor of. There's nothing more liberal, than believing that every citizen has the right to arm themselves for self-protection, be able to vote for their own representative government, and not be personally interfered with. Be as it may, that is the past definition of what being liberal is. Not many think or understand that. So as to identity with the present day liberal one cannot adhere to the past definition or characteristics of liberalism. It only creates chaos and a cloud of confusion which conceives deception and deflection of that which is sound and right to any reasonable individual. That is why it is so maddening to deal or debate with todays liberals. They just do not get it. They have been programmed and indoctrinated with falsehoods, and visions of grandeur . They are like sheep being led to the slaughter (willingly). When the time comes for the implementation of "The Mark of the Beast", surly they shall be first in line. Beware of your surroundings, and the going ons... Stop being spoon fed like a baby and exercise proper discernment of that which is right ,and that which is wrong. Embrace the grace of God ,and His direction. Lean not to your own understanding. We are fragile creatures who need and desire direction. There is hope. Sometimes the road less traveled has the most traffic.
3/26/2017 12:29:30 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 66, joined Oct. 2010	Quote from amadaea: The strongest is the right one. Keep singing your democracy song, birdie I'm not sure that the people of Crimea agree with you! I'm sure Putin will agree with your vision of power and poor disregard for democracy. I'm sure Trump agrees with you too! But, the majority of Americans obviously don't agree with you, Putin, or Trump! Thank God for Democracy! Oh! And our forefathers!
3/26/2017 12:30:06 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from blake6972: Be as it may, that is the past definition of what being liberal is. Liberalism hasn't changed one tiny bit. It is exactly what it's always been. What's changed is that global capitalism is in such a state of decline and crisis that liberalism can no longer represent any kind of reform. It can still talk the talk, of course. But it can't do anything but engage in far-right-wing politics in the attempt to save the global capitalist system and the richest capitalists. And that's exactly what we've all seen from liberalism for more than 40 years now. ------------------- Why is American liberalism bankrupt? A history lesson for New York Times columnist Bob Herbert By Tom Eley 19 September 2008 World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/09/herb-s19.html Excerpt: From its origins in the late 18th and early 19th centuries in Europe and the United States, liberalism was the ideology of the bourgeoisie. Its early political legitimacy rested on its claim to speak for the productive elements of the entire nation—in France this was called the “Third Estate” of bourgeoisie, peasants and workers—aligned in social revolution against feudal elements in society: the royalty, the clergy and the landed gentry. Yet, in spite of its claims, from the beginning liberalism expressed in politics and economy the aims of the bourgeoisie. What this meant in practice was the domination of the state by capitalism, the breaking down within the nation of feudal barriers to the capitalist market, and the subjugation of the working class. As opposed to European nations, liberalism in the US over the course of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century gradually took on a social-reformist coloring. After the defeat of the South in the Civil War, the liberal vision of the national market triumphed. This was not precisely a “free market,” but the protection and domination of the domestic market by US capitalism. But liberalism’s political purchase on middle class elements—the small farmers, shopkeepers and professionals—allowed it to simultaneously present itself as the defender of democracy against the tyranny of the market, a tendency that manifested itself in both the farmers’ Populist movement of the 1890s and the Progressive movement of the early 20th century, whose ranks were filled with middle-class professionals and technical experts. At the same time, liberalism reacted with hostility to the development of the working class and its epic strikes, union movements and struggles for socialism which unfolded from the 1870s through the 1930s, and which placed a serious challenge before the bourgeoisie and a question mark over its political control. The liberal state’s response of choice to this challenge from the working class was force: the use of private guards, strike-breakers, police, militias and the courts to crush strikes and imprison, terrorize or kill the leadership of the working class. The class struggle in the US in this period was among the most sanguinary in the world. It must never be forgotten that it was the liberal icon, Woodrow Wilson, who imprisoned the leader of US socialism, Eugene Debs, then an elderly man, for opposing American entry into World War I. The Wilson administration whipped up the first Red Scare in the aftermath of the war, and was responsible for the imprisonment and deportation of thousands of immigrant radicals. But, utilizing its democratic elements, liberalism relied on the carrot as well as the stick, advancing a limited reformist agenda—increasingly through the political mechanism of the Democratic Party—and relying upon middle class layers for its social constituency. During the Great Depression of the 1930s, American capitalism faced a mortal crisis. Workers waged massive unionization struggles and strikes, very often led by socialists and communists. As an ideology, socialism had significant influence on the thinking of workers, intellectuals and artists. Given these conditions—the growing organized strength of the working class, the threat posed by socialism, the economic disaster wrought by the Great Depression—Franklin Delano Roosevelt dragged the ruling class, kicking and screaming, along a path of a quite limited reformism. At the height of this crisis, the failure of liberalism was laid bare by its own leading philosopher and intellectual, John Dewey, who penned a series of lectures delineating its fatal contradiction—that between the economic “liberty” of monopoly capitalists to exploit and the liberty of the masses to live a full life. What Dewey described was in essence the polarization of the Third Estate, or the shattering of the bourgeoisie’s claims to speak for the nation. Dewey recognized that “the tragic breakdown of democracy is due to the fact that the identification of liberty with the maximum of unrestrained individualistic action in the economic sphere, under the institutions of capitalistic finance, is as fatal to the realization of liberty for all as it is to the realization of equality.” President Harry Truman, another liberal icon, launched the Red Scare in 1948 as a means of banishing domestic opposition to the program of US imperialism abroad and taming the American working class, which emerged in the immediate postwar period more combative than ever. A substantial section of the liberal intelligentsia adapted itself to the Red Scare and contributed its ideological labor to the project of US imperialism, many of its ranks joining the American Committee for Cultural Freedom, which was associated with the CIA-funded Congress of Cultural Freedom.
3/26/2017 12:31:52 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 60, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from fishnthec: I'm not sure that the people of Crimea agree with you! I'm sure Putin will agree with your vision of power and poor disregard for democracy. I'm sure Trump agrees with you too! But, the majority of Americans obviously don't agree with you, Putin, or Trump! Thank God for Democracy! Oh! And our forefathers! The idea that the people of Crimea want the right-wing, Nazi, imperialist disaster that America's ruling-class (behind the liberal, Barack Obama) inflicted upon the people of Ukraine is utterly f**king ridiculous. [Edited 3/26/2017 12:33:05 PM ]
3/26/2017 12:52:03 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
cinnamonnhaze Minneapolis, MN 53, joined Apr. 2014	Quote from amadaea: Fish, Where did you see that "true" Democrapy last time? Oh, sorry, I meant "Democracy"... Voice of the majority? You mean "us is bigger so you will do what we want" sort of "democracy"? Democracy is utopia. And you are old enough to recognize it but you don't seem to. It's always a force. Or balance of forces in the case of best scenario. Was and will be. The strongest is the right one. Keep singing your democracy song, birdie Amad - I kinda pity you, but now I do understand your "screen name". You're so bitter. (Ever hear the joke about the horse? "Why the long face?") I've insulted people - AFTER they insult me. Otherwise, I'm your typical happy go lucky kinda gal. I bet I've went through much more trauma in my life than you have in yours, but I'm older & only time will tell what your future holds. You, on the other hand, insult everyone - deserving or not. (Why the long face....?) What's wrong with giving those less fortunate a "hand up"? The problem with "your team" is that they see anyone getting a helping hand as it coming directly out of your personal pocketbook. Yet you continue to stand up in favor of those who are truly robbing your personal pocketbook without a valid reason. More tax breaks for the rich? Give me an f-ing break!!! If you help people in need, they can regain their self worth, gain employment & return the favor to the future generation of those "in need". Do you really think corporate America is "in need"??? Cheaper caviar, less of a yacht tax, a rebate on their corporate paid for Beemer, or a property tax reduction for owning more than 10 houses? What your prez has in store for me & my taxes (both income AND property), I'll be lucky to stay afloat (& I'm considered "middle class" - lmfao!). My past debt, I had the NERVE to get sick (very sick) without health care coverage & THAT BILL will never go away! The United States of America is the only non 3rd world country where people lose EVERYTHING because they have "the nerve" to get sick. Your outrage & insults are directed in the wrong direction. You cannot possibly convince me that when you were stuck in an abusive relationship that you didn't receive some type of government assistance to get out of that situation, & I support that. I do not support more "corporate welfare". I just wish you "conservatives" would take a lesson from the past on where we all should get "conservative". We need to take back the future FOR our children. We need to make sure the senior citizens who built this country aren't thrown out with the trash. We need to make sure that people who work a full time job are paid enough to survive on. I'm tired of supporting the top 1% while I clip coupons, buy generic food & medicine & put off vet visits in order to see the rich lighting Cuban cigars with $100 bills. Anyone else sick of this sh*t? Stand up. Speak loud. Use your vote wisely. That's how we start "winning" again.
3/26/2017 12:59:38 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 66, joined Oct. 2010	If we could just return true Democracy to America. Our biggest problems would take care of themselves. But we have allowed Democracy to be replaced by Greed, Money, and Power!
3/26/2017 1:09:37 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
thread_killer Stockbridge, GA 98, joined Sep. 2016	Quote from testsignup: As I expected, all of the Anti-liberals are up to their usual behaviors: refusing to read what I ACTUALLY say, and inserting their fantasies in it's place; refusing to do their homework at all, and repeating the same false things they always do, characterizing (liberals in this case) based on EXCEPTIONS AND LIARS amongst them, rather than on what (in this case liberalism) the concept really stands for. finally, indulging in kindergarten-style name-calling, sometimes even as they accuse ME of child-like behavior. My opening post challenge still stands. Yay! More of the same, "I know you are. But what am I?"
3/26/2017 1:10:09 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
cinnamonnhaze Minneapolis, MN 53, joined Apr. 2014	Yep. If the righties could amend the constitution it would have an addendum for "GREED, MONEY & POWER". I've been to the site where they lopped off Marie Antoinette's head. It was a beautiful garden..... lol. (let THEM eat the cake this time) [Edited 3/26/2017 1:10:48 PM ]
3/26/2017 1:39:22 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
mralwaysrite Estevan, SK 55, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from cinnamonnhaze: Amad - I kinda pity you, but now I do understand your "screen name". You're so bitter. (Ever hear the joke about the horse? "Why the long face?") I've insulted people - AFTER they insult me. Otherwise, I'm your typical happy go lucky kinda gal. I bet I've went through much more trauma in my life than you have in yours, but I'm older & only time will tell what your future holds. You, on the other hand, insult everyone - deserving or not. (Why the long face....?) What's wrong with giving those less fortunate a "hand up"? The problem with "your team" is that they see anyone getting a helping hand as it coming directly out of your personal pocketbook. Yet you continue to stand up in favor of those who are truly robbing your personal pocketbook without a valid reason. More tax breaks for the rich? Give me an f-ing break!!! If you help people in need, they can regain their self worth, gain employment & return the favor to the future generation of those "in need". Do you really think corporate America is "in need"??? Cheaper caviar, less of a yacht tax, a rebate on their corporate paid for Beemer, or a property tax reduction for owning more than 10 houses? What your prez has in store for me & my taxes (both income AND property), I'll be lucky to stay afloat (& I'm considered "middle class" - lmfao!). My past debt, I had the NERVE to get sick (very sick) without health care coverage & THAT BILL will never go away! The United States of America is the only non 3rd world country where people lose EVERYTHING because they have "the nerve" to get sick. Your outrage & insults are directed in the wrong direction. You cannot possibly convince me that when you were stuck in an abusive relationship that you didn't receive some type of government assistance to get out of that situation, & I support that. I do not support more "corporate welfare". I just wish you "conservatives" would take a lesson from the past on where we all should get "conservative". We need to take back the future FOR our children. We need to make sure the senior citizens who built this country aren't thrown out with the trash. We need to make sure that people who work a full time job are paid enough to survive on. I'm tired of supporting the top 1% while I clip coupons, buy generic food & medicine & put off vet visits in order to see the rich lighting Cuban cigars with $100 bills. Anyone else sick of this sh*t? Stand up. Speak loud. Use your vote wisely. That's how we start "winning" again. I'll tell ya what's right Glad Minnesotans are now cherishing and are damn proud about their back to back budget surpluses, and redistributing said surpluses to the most needy. Now, I'll tell you what's wrong; Your Federal government has a forthcoming $700 billion fy 2017 deficit (CBO est.), and today, the U.S. total social spending is at 29% of GDP, second to socialist France 31%. If Minnesotan democrats are so good at balancing budgets, how would they eliminate a $700 billion deficit?
3/26/2017 1:42:19 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
amadaea Murfreesboro, TN 31, joined Apr. 2016	Quote from fishnthec: I'm not sure that the people of Crimea agree with you! I'm sure Putin will agree with your vision of power and poor disregard for democracy. I'm sure Trump agrees with you too! But, the majority of Americans obviously don't agree with you, Putin, or Trump! Thank God for Democracy! Oh! And our forefathers! The idea of the "majority wins majority rules" kind of sends your Democracy off to a nice sewer trip here. Some 8.5 years ago majority placed Obama in the oval office. Who cared that minority didn't like that. 3 months ago the voice of majority set Trump at the steering wheel. Who cares what minority wants. Your Democratic elections are still based on "us is bigger so it will be the way we decide" idea. You don't see that democracy clashes with natural laws, do you?
3/26/2017 1:52:27 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
mralwaysrite Estevan, SK 55, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from mralwaysrite: I'll tell ya what's right Glad Minnesotans are now cherishing and are damn proud about their back to back budget surpluses, and redistributing said surpluses to the most needy. Now, I'll tell you what's wrong; Your Federal government has a forthcoming $700 billion fy 2017 deficit (CBO est.), and today, the U.S. total social spending is at 29% of GDP, second to socialist France 31%. If Minnesotan democrats are so good at balancing budgets, how would they eliminate a $700 billion deficit? Here's a suggestion; Making college debt-free and taking on student debt
3/26/2017 2:05:56 PM	The Great Irony of the Anti-Liberals (especially here).
cinnamonnhaze Minneapolis, MN 53, joined Apr. 2014	Quote from mralwaysrite: I'll tell ya what's right Glad Minnesotans are now cherishing and are damn proud about their back to back budget surpluses, and redistributing said surpluses to the most needy. Now, I'll tell you what's wrong; Your Federal government has a forthcoming $700 billion fy 2017 deficit (CBO est.), and today, the U.S. total social spending is at 29% of GDP, second to socialist France 31%. If Minnesotan democrats are so good at balancing budgets, how would they eliminate a $700 billion deficit? GREAT QUESTION!!! That's why our Gov wants to keep the surplus - for a rainy day. But we all know, when it rains it pours! MN has dozens of large corporations here & yes, some of the taxes suck. But it sure as hell hasn't scared away any of the major (upstanding) corporations. We get many CEO's willing to relocate their families here because of the quality of life. Clean water & air, safe places to live, low unemployment. Sure, we have our pockets of "bad neighborhoods" or "impoverished neighborhoods", but MN is a very charitable state & I'm proud of that! We have the highest Somali population in the country. Many Hmong, Latino, & other refugees & they thrive here!!! We have a very high LGBTQ population that we're proud of. Very many good things - yet we had a major bridge over the Mississippi collapse! I'm terrified for our future - my future. We (as a country) do need to invest in THIS country, but we can't do it by padding the pockets of the rich & alienating our allies. Any suggestions??? I'm all ears!!!

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