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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (1948) CLV 24 Seventy sevens are segregated for your people and for your holy city: To detain transgression, to cause sin to end, to make a propitiatory shelter for depravity; to bring the righteousness of the eons, to seal the vision and the prophet, to anoint the holy of holies." (1948) Isaiah 23: 15 And it shall come to pass in that day, that Tyre shall be forgotten seventy years, according to the days of one king: after the end of seventy years shall Tyre sing as an harlot. (1948) 17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth. (Jews petitioning 2017 for temple) CLV 15 And it comes in that day, Tyre will be forgotten seventy years, as the days of one king. From the end of seventy years Tyre will become as a song of the prostitute." (1948) 17 And it comes, from the end of the seventy years, then Yahweh will visit Tyre, and she recalls her fee, and she prostitutes with all kingdoms of the earth, on the surface of the ground." (Jews petitioning 2017 for temple) We know the Jews have already petitioned the United Nations "three" times to rebuild their temple. And, I am without doubt they will continue to petition until they are granted permission. These verses (up top) that I included keep me in mind that in Revelations 12: 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. CLV 1 And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon underneath her feet, and on her head a wreath of twelve stars." 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, there where she has a place made ready by God, that there they may be nourishing her a thousand two hundred sixty days." ...this is (Rev 1) is referring to the returning Jews to Israel since 1948 (Daniel's 70)(Isaiah's 70). The (Rev 6) is reference to "AFTER" the temple is built and Jews understand the antichrist is not the Messiah. Claims all Jews will die but 1/3 who escape through the gaps to Petra and remain the last 1260 days (3.4 years/just after mid Tribulation mark as written)(waiting for Armageddon). Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Book of Revelation Prophesying the tribulation. (Persecution of the Christians by Roman emperor cult worshipers.) Written during the later part of Nero's reign. Foretelling the destruction of the temple (Jerusalem) by the wrath of God. (69-70 ad). Jesus is coming soon. He is here; in the temple of God -- believers. Are you ready?
4/3/2017 1:59:52 PM	Just how close are WE?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	We don't know WHEN He is coming, but we definitely know THAT He is coming. The prophecies given to various Catholic saints say that the following things will happen before Jesus returns: the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary by the pope, the conversion of Russia, revolutions in Italy and France, followed by the monarchy being restored in both countries, a period of peace in the world, followed by people, even Christians, becoming extremely complacent, a great falling away of most Christians, the conversion of the Jews, most of them, the coming of the Antichrist, a real person (usually described as coming from the Middle East somewhere), whose message will sound very convincing and who will fool many, a persecution of the much-smaller-than-before Church, which at that point will be mostly converted Jews, a persecution far more severe than any prior (called by some the "tribulation") (Catholics don't usually use that specific term but we do believe in the concept), and then the triumphant return of Christ. These things do not rise to the level of doctrine in the Church, and a Catholic could disbelieve all or some of the above, but the saints have prophesied these things and rejecting them would be rash to say the least ("despise not prophecy"). It seems to me that it would take at least 200-300 years, maybe longer, for all this to happen, but who knows for sure? But for sure Jesus will return one day, visibly, so the whole world can see, on clouds of glory. That part most certainly is both biblical and Catholic doctrine.
4/3/2017 2:17:32 PM	Just how close are WE?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from cupocheer: Book of Revelation Prophesying the tribulation. (Persecution of the Christians by Roman emperor cult worshipers.) Written during the later part of Nero's reign. Foretelling the destruction of the temple (Jerusalem) by the wrath of God. (69-70 ad). Jesus is coming soon. He is here; in the temple of God -- believers. Are you ready? That is all well and good, but this particular prophecy has to do with the Jews ""rebuilding"" (opposite of it being destroyed) "their" temple (for the antichrist to offer ungodly offerings). Christ has not yet returned from his ascension as He "promised" to take his bride and battle Armageddon. The "Destruction in 69 AD" was not about Christ receiving "His Church (Bride)". That was due to tension with Rome well before Christ made his appearance. It escalated from the "new Christian vs Old Jewish Mosaic Laws" on the belief the Messiah meant conquering their enemies. And it does mean exactly that. When He returns, He will return like the Messiah was taught about (a king and conqueror of his more than Samuel or David combined).
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Lud, the temple is specific to the prophecy. It is specific to be rebuilt so the antichrist can be revealed. The fact the Jews are applying to get permission to rebuild this temple should be alarming to all followers of Christ. It technically means by scripture based upon them applying equals the antichrist is here already in person. Which also means, he is in position to take over. Another interesting fact is Daniel chapter 11 is all about the antichrist. In short version: it states Syria will go to war with Egypt and then the antichrist will take control of the world. Why I mention Syria vs Egypt is due to the Israel newspapers are reporting "Syria and Egypt are close to going to war" (as we discuss this topic now). If it did happen and the antichrist took over the U.N. You know the Jews will get permission to rebuild their temple then. [Edited 4/3/2017 2:26:33 PM ]
4/3/2017 2:43:58 PM	Just how close are WE?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	All well and good, Iam. The destruction of the temple by God was final, finis. God's judgement is final. Mankind cannot override the judgement of God. God stripped the JEWS as punishnenment for disobedience -- the reason Jesus came to earth was to redeem the offending Jews of they believed -- the grace of God was extended to the Gentiles. Praise God. The "Nostradamus-esque" prophesy about the nob-converted Jews is not in the Bible.
4/3/2017 3:02:18 PM	Just how close are WE?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Quote from iam_resurrected: Lud, the temple is specific to the prophecy. It is specific to be rebuilt so the antichrist can be revealed. The fact the Jews are applying to get permission to rebuild this temple should be alarming to all followers of Christ. It technically means by scripture based upon them applying equals the antichrist is here already in person. Which also means, he is in position to take over. Another interesting fact is Daniel chapter 11 is all about the antichrist. In short version: it states Syria will go to war with Egypt and then the antichrist will take control of the world. Why I mention Syria vs Egypt is due to the Israel newspapers are reporting "Syria and Egypt are close to going to war" (as we discuss this topic now). If it did happen and the antichrist took over the U.N. You know the Jews will get permission to rebuild their temple then. The way I understand it, the only way the temple could be rebuilt in its present location is to build it on the Dome of the Rock, from where Mohammed supposedly ascended into Heaven. The Israeli government might could do it, but Muslims worldwide would be up in arms. Also, if it were rebuilt, would it really be the temple without the Jews resuming animal sacrifices? Are the Jews prepared to do that?
4/3/2017 3:37:32 PM	Just how close are WE?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from cupocheer: All well and good, Iam. The destruction of the temple by God was final, finis. God's judgement is final. Mankind cannot override the judgement of God. God stripped the JEWS as punishnenment for disobedience -- the reason Jesus came to earth was to redeem the offending Jews of they believed -- the grace of God was extended to the Gentiles. Praise God. The "Nostradamus-esque" prophesy about the nob-converted Jews is not in the Bible. When did the person of the antichrist (mentioned in Daniel and Revelation) make his physical appearance on the world and deceive the Jews? When did the antichrist offer ungodly sacrifices in the physical temple? Satan is still loose and not yet bound for 1,000 years. So many "unfulfilled" prophecy now being fulfilled. How can you claim prophecy is over when NONE OF THE SPECIFICIS have been fulfilled (antichrist offering ungodly sacrifice in the physical Jewish temple or when did the antichrist rule the world)? He has never. So, your assessment is clearly wrong.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	They will build a wall separating the two. There is enough room for the entire temple.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Do you guys think the Jews will resume animal sacrifices, if their temple is rebuilt? If not, would it really be the temple? [Edited 4/3/2017 5:44:25 PM ]
4/3/2017 5:56:06 PM	Just how close are WE?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from iam_resurrected: When did the person of the antichrist (mentioned in Daniel and Revelation) make his physical appearance on the world and deceive the Jews? When did the antichrist offer ungodly sacrifices in the physical temple? Satan is still loose and not yet bound for 1,000 years. So many "unfulfilled" prophecy now being fulfilled. How can you claim prophecy is over when NONE OF THE SPECIFICIS have been fulfilled (antichrist offering ungodly sacrifice in the physical Jewish temple or when did the antichrist rule the world)? He has never. So, your assessment is clearly wrong. Cite your DANIEL & REVELATION scripture you are relying on please. I'm calling you out!
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	I believe, since the Jews who have relocated back to their native home land of Israel, they have went back to oldest known manuscript (12th century Turkish Talmud)(which speaks of Jesus being crucified as a person convicted of "treason") (why is this important)(means they are looking for their Messiah). I believe since the Jews are preaching Jesus was a "man of treason". They are not worshipping him. Which only concludes they are following the LAW which does require once per year sacrificing. I totally believe this is why they want their temple back.
4/3/2017 7:41:43 PM	Just how close are WE?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from cupocheer: Cite your DANIEL & REVELATION scripture you are relying on please. I'm calling you out! Daniel 8:11-14 speaks about the antichrist and last days when ungodly sacrifice is made and how long it will take to cleanse or purge the temple. 11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the ((daily sacrifice)) ((was taken away)), and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host was given him against the ((daily sacrifice)) by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the ((daily sacrifice)), and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. **Notice how after antichrist defiles the temple it must be cleansed? NEVER, has it ever been written of the antichrist offering prophecy where the temple needed to be cleansed (because there never was an antichrist until now). more scripture referring to polluting daily sacrifice. Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the ((daily sacrifice)), and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the ((daily sacrifice)) shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. I need to log for a bit but shall return. But these scriptures are clear the antichrist will sacrifice in the temple and pollute it. And to think, the Jew are currently trying to rebuild their temple. Seems like prophecy to me.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Oh, that's what this is about. Your translation of what scripture says. Daniel was talking about the required daily sacrifices that were required for atonement by Israel as a whole, wasn't he? Daniel was also talking about the temple before the JEWS broke their Covenent with God. When Jesus came whatever was meant for the Jews was no more. God destroyed the disobedient Jews and Jerusalem and the temple. Jesus Christ brought the promise of God's kingdom and eternal life. That's all the matters. God is the "One" and only one. The JEWS have no power. They are the anti-christ. They deny Jesus Christ. The Apostle John let's us know exactly who the anti-christ are: the Gnostics and any who deny Jesus.
4/3/2017 11:07:59 PM	Just how close are WE?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	These scriptures I provided are specific to the antichrist. You can choose to refuse as you like but they do factually pertain solely towards the antichrist. The antichrist is meant for the "end of the world". That is well past and beyond your theory of 69 AD.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	69 ad is not THEORY, Iam -- it is historical biblical fact
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Not what I meant. It's Your theory of 69 AD being the end of prophecy that is far from accurate. [Edited 4/3/2017 11:23:36 PM ]
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	You ate projecting, Iam. Don't do that with me, please. You have absolutely no idea what I believe about prophesy. We've never discussed it and I've never commented on it.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from cupocheer: You are projecting, Iam. Don't do that with me, please. You have absolutely no idea what I believe about prophesy. We've never discussed it and I've never commented on it.
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: These scriptures I provided are specific to the antichrist. You can choose to refuse as you like but they do factually pertain solely towards the antichrist. The antichrist is meant for the "end of the world". That is well past and beyond your theory of 69 AD. and where bis "the end of the world" mentioned in scripture? Oh yea, Hebrews For once in the end of the world was he offered up. Is that the end your speaking of?
4/4/2017 6:13:50 AM	Just how close are WE?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	AV Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. CLV Heb 9:26 since then He must often be suffering from the disruption of the world, yet now, once, at the conclusion of the eons, for the repudiation of sin through His sacrifice, is He manifest. It is evident that Christ did not appear at "the end of the world", nor, indeed, at the conclusion of the eons. Neither has sin been completely eliminated. Such, however, is the efficacy of His sacrifice, that we know that sin must eventually be banished from the universe. And we know also that this will be at the conclusion of the eons. Hence this somewhat complicated sentence has been rendered to this effect. A. E. Knoch Yes, there was a 70 ad. But that was not the end of the world, nor the conclusion of the eons. Sounds like the cup has been drinking from the preterists trough. More false teachings.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from looptex1: and where bis "the end of the world" mentioned in scripture? Oh yea, Hebrews For once in the end of the world was he offered up. Is that the end your speaking of? What interest me most about this passage of scripture is it "alerts" us there is more to come. That not all prophecy has been fulfilled. I have a question for you: if at the time of the Tower of babel when humanity spoke with (one tongue/language), it alerted God that when man can communicate that man can do idol things. And, it led to separation of man by language. 1. What does it mean that we are again at the point of Tower of Babel (English) when we all can relate to one another in "one tongue/language"? 2. If God separated humanity at "Tower of Babel", what will God do now that we have circled back to being able to understand one another again? 3. Could it lead to the second coming of Christ for "His Bride" (this would separate believers from non believers)(Battle of Armageddon is a definite separation between believer and non believer)? A. The temple being requested by the Jews and the Jews going back to their old ways are biblical prophecy. The Jews are preaching Jesus died from committing treason and they are still under the "LAW" which requires animal sacrifice. B. The Jews are preaching to keep "watch" for the coming Messiah. C. The Jews are ripe for a new temple, resume animal sacrifice, and be fooled by the antichrist believing he will be the Messiah. Isaiah talks about After God scattered his people (70 AD) he will bring them back together. Never has there been such a dispersing of Jews leaving their countries for Israel than right now as we communicate. Over 8 million have returned (more than ever at any given time including Hebrews leaving Egypt. 11 And it comes, in that day, Yahweh will proceed to lift up His hand, to be zealous for the remnant of His people which will remain, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Babylon, and from Pathros, and from Ethiopia, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from Arabia, and from the coastlands of the sea." 12 And He lifts up a banner for the nations, and gathers the expelled of Israel, and the scattered of Judah is He convening from the four wings of the earth." The Regathering in Isaiah Let’s look at this passage closely: (Is. 11:11-12 NASB) Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again ((recover the second time)) with His hand the remnant of His people, who will remain, from Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. 12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations, and will assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. First, this cannot refer to the regathering under Ezra and Nehemiah, because he clearly says that they will be regathered “a second time.” Isaiah was writing before the first dispersion under Nebuchadnezzar (8th century B.C.). The return from Babylonian and Assyrian exile was the “first regathering” (Is. 10:20-27; 44:26-45:8). Moreover, this cannot refer to the regathering of the Exodus under Moses, because Isaiah promised a “remnant” will be regathered. The Exodus was not a remnant –rather all of Israel was gathered. Second, this passage states that this will be a global regathering (“from the islands of the sea… from the four corners of the earth”), rather than a local regathering. Third, the context explains that this is a global regathering at the end of history. In verses 1-5, Isaiah speaks of the Branch (the Messiah). In verses 6-9, he speaks of the Messianic kingdom. In verses 10-16, he speaks of the political or physical regathering of Israel. In chapter 12:1-6, he speaks of the spiritual regathering in Israel.[1] This is during the time of King Messiah (v.10). Isaiah mentions the “Root of Jesse,” which is synonymous with the Messiah. Fourth, he mentions the specific countries from which the Jews will return. Regarding the first regathering under Ezra and Nehemiah, Eugenie Johnston writes: About 50 thousand Jews from Babylon returned immediately under Zerubbabel (Neh. 7:6-7, 66-67). Nearly a century later, Nehemiah led another group from Shushan in Persia (Neh. 1:1; 2:1-11). No other places are mentioned from which Jews returned. Among the names of Jews who returned, we find a number of Babylonian and Persian names, indicating that the Jews had lived in these areas, but no evidence of return from other regions.[2] Today, we see that there has been an exodus from these specific countries that Isaiah had predicted: Notice Isaiah states: God will (recover his remnant a second time). [Edited 4/4/2017 10:18:50 AM ]
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Iam, what do you make of these scriptural sayings: Jesus (paraphrasing) I came to fulfill prophesy. Jesus (paraphrasing) It is done.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from cupocheer: Iam, what do you make of these scriptural sayings: Jesus (paraphrasing) I came to fulfill prophesy. Jesus (paraphrasing) It is done. He fulfilled Isaiah 53. 3 Despised is He, and shunned by men, a man of pains and knowing illness. And, as One concealing His face from us, despised is He, and we judge Him of no account." 4 Surely our illnesses has He borne, and our pains--He was burdened with them. Yet we account Him touched, smitten by the Elohim and humbled." 5 Yet He was wounded because of our transgressions, and crushed because of our depravities. The discipline for our welfare was on Him, and by His welts there is healing for us." 6 All of us, as a flockling, have strayed; each man to his own way, we face, yet Yahweh, in Him, intercedes because of all our depravity." 7 Hard pressed is He and being humbled, yet He is not opening His mouth. As a flockling to slaughter is He fetched, and as a ewe before her shearers is mute, so He is not opening His mouth." John 12:38 That the saying of ((Esaias))((ISAIAH)) the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? He fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which included fulfilling the LAW.
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from bigd9832: AV Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. CLV Heb 9:26 since then He must often be suffering from the disruption of the world, yet now, once, at the conclusion of the eons, for the repudiation of sin through His sacrifice, is He manifest. It is evident that Christ did not appear at "the end of the world", nor, indeed, at the conclusion of the eons. Neither has sin been completely eliminated. Such, however, is the efficacy of His sacrifice, that we know that sin must eventually be banished from the universe. And we know also that this will be at the conclusion of the eons. Hence this somewhat complicated sentence has been rendered to this effect. A. E. Knoch Yes, there was a 70 ad. But that was not the end of the world, nor the conclusion of the eons. Sounds like the cup has been drinking from the preterists trough. More false teachings. question bigd. In the verses you given, even the clv says "Ye now once, at the conclusion of the eons" But then Knoch says that this had not happen. Is he disagreeing with what the scriptures have said?
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	1. What does it mean that we are again at the point of Tower of Babel (English) when we all can relate to one another in "one tongue/language"? It means nothing 2. If God separated humanity at "Tower of Babel", what will God do now that we have circled back to being able to understand one another again? He will do nothing 3. Could it lead to the second coming of Christ for "His Bride" (this would separate believers from non believers)(Battle of Armageddon is a definite separation between believer and non believer)? It's not leading to nothing, especially christ coming for his bride. One would have to assume christ has left his bride before he looks for him to come get her. As for the rest of the post, concerning Isaiah, you should back up. You have just ed to verse 10, verse 11, but the 1st verse is where you should start. "In that day" is specific, it isn't left in the wind for us to guess about. 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse and a branch shall grow out of his roots. "In that day" is when these verses are speaking of. As for being gathered, they were scattered and gathered many times
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	So, you do not believe in Armageddon? The antichrist? the second coming? antichrist sacrificing in the temple of God? You believe this has all been fulfilled and this is now New Jerusalem? 70 AD was Armageddon? (Even though Christians lost when revelations claims they will win)? What about Satan, the Beast, antichrist and wh*re, along with death and hell in "Lake of Fire" burning daily forever (why are we still dying if death is in the "Lake of Fire" and all prophecy is completed)? I really believe you don't have a clue about the bible, and its content translations, with this always saved and prophesy has been completed malarkey.
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: So, you do not believe in Armageddon? The antichrist? the second coming? antichrist sacrificing in the temple of God? You believe this has all been fulfilled and this is now New Jerusalem? 70 AD was Armageddon? (Even though Christians lost when revelations claims they will win)? What about Satan, the Beast, antichrist and whre, along with death and hell in "Lake of Fire" burning daily forever (why are we still dying if death is in the "Lake of Fire" and all prophecy is completed)? I really believe you don't have a clue about the bible, and its content translations, with this always saved and prophesy has been completed malarkey. You may not believe I have no clue, yet what I claim comes from the scriptures, not my thoughts. The antichrist Nowhere is the antichrist spoken of and identified as one person. But according to the scriptures 1st john 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. Do you believe that? They already there were any antichrist among them? But your still looking for "1" antichrist to come, I'd say you missed the boat. maybe you should accept what the antichrist is. 1st john 1:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Stop looking for "A" antichrist and realize there are many. His second coming How many times are you expecting him to come? He come in the flesh as jesus, He come in the spirit as the comforter He come with vengeance as the Roman army in 70ad He still comes in the spirit each and every time someone is born again, and sets up His abode. oh, I get it, your looking for another fleshly appearance. Once again show us where the scriptures speak of that? oh, it doesn't does it? And why are we still dying? Maybe it's because all flesh is as grass and fade away. Maybe it's because flesh and blood cannot enter. maybe it's because the flesh wasn't promised eternal or never ending life. so maybe you don't have a clue since you don't even understand why the flesh dies. As for your beast Are you really looking for a four headed beast? With one head wounded unto death? If your answer is yes, I'm assuming you are also looking for a four footed lamb riding a white horse with fire coming from his eyes and a sword from his mouth and a venture dipped in blood? Yep, I'd say you have no clue. you want these beast to be beast, the dragon to be a dragon, the frogs to be frogs, the whre to be a wh*re, but then you don't want the Lamb on a horse to be a lamb on a horse. As for prophecy being fulfilled. Luke 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and ALL things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished you either believe the scriptures or you dont. ALL IS ALL
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	The antichrist Nowhere is the antichrist spoken of and identified as one person. Daniel 11: 3 And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. 25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. This is the antichrist who will magnify himself above God and all gods... And speaking of prophecy not completed Daniel 12: 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. *Verse 2 is about the resurrection and about judgement which leads to "lake of Fire" (which both have not happened yet)* 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. *If this is 70 AD I do believe that 2290 days have passed and where is the Armageddon evidence at?*
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Funny thing you bring Daniel into it. Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand It's pretty plain here he is speaking of the exact thing Daniel spoke of. Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. What things? Go back and read the whole chapter, ALL those things. But that's another thread. let's put into perspective what Jesus told them about the abomination of desolation. Here is arms account Mark 13:14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation standing where itdoes not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Take note here, in marks account, he tells them when they see this to flee to the mountains. Why? What are they fleeing from? Here is Lukes account Luke 21:20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. What were they watching for? Armies surrounding Jerusalem this is the abomination that maketh desolate that Daniel spoke of. I provided verse 21 in Luke just for proof that this was speaking of the same thing in mark. but you go read matt 23, 24, 25, mark 13, Luke 21, they are all speaking of the same time, they all speak of what is coming upon Jerusalem. They all speak of the same time Daniel spoke of. [Edited 4/4/2017 10:59:23 PM ]
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	If all of that was fulfilled, then when did Christ return and conquer Armageddon with His "Bride, the church"? Why is death and hell not in the "Lake of Fire"? How come the "Great White Throne Judgement and Reading of the Books" have not takien place? When did Tribulation take place? [Edited 4/4/2017 11:51:19 PM ]
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: If all of that was fulfilled, then when did Christ return and conquer Armageddon with His "Bride, the church"? Why is death and hell not in the "Lake of Fire"? How come the "Great White Throne Judgement and Reading of the Books" have not takien place? When did Tribulation take place? 1st, let's agree with scripture instead of asking how, when or why. That's the problem with many people, instead of believing what was said, they jump forward and begin to ask questions of how when and where. What did Jesus tell thomas? Blessed art thou because thou hast seen and believed, but more blessed are they who have not seen yet believe. Your eyes, they convince you these things have not happened. Even though scriptures plainly tell us when these things shall be accomplished. Your looking for judgement, are you not judged now? Did not peter say, it is time that judgment begin at the house of God, and if it begin with us, what will be the end of the ungodly. Peter tells you of judgment, but you don't believe it. Did not judgement come upon Jerusalem in 70ad? Did not the passage I quoted earlier, in luke, say, when ye see the armies surrounding Jerusalem, flee to the mountains, for these be the days of vengance? Is that not what the scriptures said? Is vengance not what the battle of Armageddon all about? Vengance coming upon all those who had killed the prophets and shed the blood of the saints. Judgement has begun, it has come, and it still comes to someone on a daily basis. As for your books. Why do you not think they have been read? When the Saint arose after Jesus resurrection, what had to happen? Did their name not have to be found written in the book of life? Did not Jesus tell the disciples, rejoice not that the spirits are subject unto you but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven. How can Jesus say that if be hasn't read the book? You got questions, that's good, but regardless 9 your questions, believe what has already been said
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a_nubian Columbus, OH 54, joined Jan. 2011	Loop I am always amazing how preterism concluded that Jesus already returned in 70 AD. The one verse that is always ignored or explained away by preterism is, And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" (Matt 24:3) The gospel has to be first preached to the entire world. Matthew 23:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached *in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.* Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	The gospel has to be first preached to the entire world. Matthew 23:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. What were *All the nations* at the end of the first century?
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from cupocheer: The gospel has to be first preached to the entire world. Matthew 23:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. What were *All the nations* at the end of the first century? For one, It claims the Jews were scattered in 70 AD to Germany, Russia, Holland, United Kingdom, France then into Brazil and United States. NONE of these nations were mentioned in the New Testament which means, none of these nations existed (USA) or the first teachings of Christ remained in areas familiar with Paul and the disciples. So, if none of those nations are listed within the bible it means those are people "who still need to hear about Christ before the end comes". And why, we are still here now "waiting" for the second coming and judgement where there is no more physical death. Are we at a place where physical death has ceased? According to the bible death (physical death) and hell will be cast into the "Lake of Fire". IF we can still DIE it means "death" is not burning forever in the "Lake of Fire" as prophesied. Which means "still to come" as in, has not happened yet. [Edited 4/5/2017 10:40:08 AM ]
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from iam_resurrected: Not what I meant. It's Your theory of 69 AD being the end of prophecy that is far from accurate. Jesus Christ, Iam -- I have neither formed a theory on the end of prophesy nor have I promotedcsuch a theory or even offered an informed opinion. You are an antagonist and, additionally, posturing yourself as a liar by your own verbalization of this type BS.
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: For one, It claims the Jews were scattered in 70 AD to Germany, Russia, Holland, United Kingdom, France then into Brazil and United States. NONE of these nations were mentioned in the New Testament which means, none of these nations existed (USA) or the first teachings of Christ remained in areas familiar with Paul and the disciples. So, if none of those nations are listed within the bible it means those are people "who still need to hear about Christ before the end comes". And why, we are still here now "waiting" for the second coming and judgement where there is no more physical death. Are we at a place where physical death has ceased? According to the bible death (physical death) and hell will be cast into the "Lake of Fire". IF we can still DIE it means "death" is not burning forever in the "Lake of Fire" as prophesied. Which means "still to come" as in, has not happened yet. if these places are not mentioned in scripture, how do you claim it says they were scattered to these places. Seems your logic has left. Your reading into it where you want them scattered. And death, death can't burn, it has no substance. Death is a state of being. And then there is still that problem you seem to ignore. Physical death isn't said to be destroyed, cast into the lake of fire, overcome, or anything else. That's your reading of your thoughts into the scriptures. If you would believe the scriptures, you might not understand everything, but many things would become clear.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	No, I am understanding how the Jews went from Jerusalem to Holland, to brazil and to America is one way Jews got to America. another way was from the Polish/German route by which those Jews were also from the scattering of 70 AD. I am using what factually took place by which is where they migrated to including some back to Africa. But, the nations I listed like UK, France, America, etc is not found in scripture. But no doubt, Jesus knew those places existed and died for those people (Gentiles) like he did for the Jews. And those people deserve having the Gospel introduced to them before the "end"...which has not taken place, obviously. Where is the eternal Lake of fire at with "DEATH" and "Hell/Grave" in it since we still have graveyards and death for all species?
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from a_nubian: I am always amazing how preterism concluded that Jesus already returned in 70 AD. The one verse that is always ignored or explained away by preterism is, And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" (Matt 24:3) Thank you nubian. I have asked this same question over and over and it seems the preterists just are not willing to answer. At first, they would deny that Jesus ever did leave. One preterist said, "Who says He left?" Of course, the answer to that is Jesus Himself. Then they tried to say that prophecy doesn't say that Jesus would return in the physical. If Jesus left physically it would make sense that He would return that way... CLV Ac 1:11 who say also, "Men! Galileans! Why do you stand, looking at into heaven? This Jesus Who is being taken up from you into heaven shall come thus, in the manner in which you gaze at Him going into heaven." Doesn't even your KJV say the same? So Jesus left physically and He will return in the same manner... physically. But if Jesus has returned in 70 ad, where is He now? Does he have an address? Can I go see Him? Quote from looptex1: And death, death can't burn, it has no substance. Death is a state of being. And then there is still that problem you seem to ignore. Physical death isn't said to be destroyed, cast into the lake of fire, overcome, or anything else. That's your reading of your thoughts into the scriptures. I don't agree with what you say about "death." According to Scripture, death is an enemy... CLV 1C 15:26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. Death is not our friend. Also, many of us do not believe there is a "hell" in the Scriptures, and also believe that the KJV is translated poorly... CLV Re 20:14 And death and the unseen were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death--the lake of fire. So death IS cast into the Lake of fire and presumably destroyed there. And Paul said is will be abolished. Now I know that alot of people like to interpret this word "death." The want to make it seem that all instances of the word "death" in the Scriptures are meant in a figurative sense. But I can't agree with that either. _____Strong's_____ G2288 thanatos than'-at-os from G2348; (properly, an adjective used as a noun) death (literally or figuratively)...) death. I will admit that there are instances in the Scriptures where "death" is used as a metaphor (figuratively). But not every time. And unless there is some reason to believe that each instance might be figurative, I have to stick to the principle Literal when possible. That means literally first unless there is a reason it can't be literal. I believe that prophecy says that death will be eliminated when Jesus returns. CLV 1C 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality. 54 Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory. And there is still the problem of, where is Jesus today, IF He had returned already in 70ad. I know you don't agree. But I believe that your interpretation is based on your insistence that all prophecies have already been fulfilled. We call that a "vested interest." It means you have an investment in making the Scriptures say this. Perhaps not a monetary one, but an investment nonetheless.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from iam_resurrected: No, I am understanding how the Jews went from Jerusalem to Holland, to brazil and to America is one way Jews got to America. another way was from the Polish/German route by which those Jews were also from the scattering of 70 AD. I am using what factually took place by which is where they migrated to including some back to Africa. But, the nations I listed like UK, France, America, etc is not found in scripture. But no doubt, Jesus knew those places existed and died for those people (Gentiles) like he did for the Jews. And those people deserve having the Gospel introduced to them before the "end"...which has not taken place, obviously. Where is the eternal Lake of fire at with "DEATH" and "Hell/Grave" in it since we still have graveyards and death for all species? Iam -- are you a newbie intern? You are sounding very immature and uneducated.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Iam -- are you a newbie intern? You are sounding very immature and uneducated. God did not come here to confuse us but to be a help and guide for us. Sometimes you have to exercise the brain that God gave for you to use. Bottom line: It is factually written, that "physical death and the grave" will be cast into the Lake of Fire, along with those not found written in the Books. I see people daily still walking about and dying physically. So clearly, those scriptures have not yet happened according to prophecy. How can you claim it has taken place when we still die?
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: No, I am understanding how the Jews went from Jerusalem to Holland, to brazil and to America is one way Jews got to America. another way was from the Polish/German route by which those Jews were also from the scattering of 70 AD. I am using what factually took place by which is where they migrated to including some back to Africa. But, the nations I listed like UK, France, America, etc is not found in scripture. But no doubt, Jesus knew those places existed and died for those people (Gentiles) like he did for the Jews. And those people deserve having the Gospel introduced to them before the "end"...which has not taken place, obviously. Where is the eternal Lake of fire at with "DEATH" and "Hell/Grave" in it since we still have graveyards and death for all species? Your looking for the gospel to be preached to all the world. Maybe I just can't read, but hear is what Paul said. Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. Will you argue with paul and claim the word has not been preached to all the world? Your wanting to include future generations, and Countries that didn't exsist. If that be the case, then the day will never come. Because every 60 Seconds or every second, I can remember which, a child is born somewhere in the world. And that child would also have to hear the word if we are going to include future generations into the "must be preached in all the world" part of scripture. I prefer to believe paul, they did hear, it did go unto the ends of the world, it was accomplished just as he said it would. And paul said this happened even prior to 70ad. Col. 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Once again, paul proclaiming the gospel had been preached to every creature under heaven. And again, this is prior to 70ad. Your looking for what Paul proclaims plainly, has happened. Your thoughts, or the scriptures? Which will you believe? Nubian and bigd, I will address nubian post in after work.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	How can you claim it has taken place when we still die? The physical body dies because Adam (man) disobeyed God. Mankind that accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior dies a physical death (atoning for sin which Adam committed and gave mankind as their birth heritage). When physical death occurs, those of humankind who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior (whereupon the Holy Spirit of God entered the human body) the Holy Spirit (soul) departs and returns to God for life eternal. It isn't confusing, but quite straightforward and easy to understand.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Iam, could you post the scripture where the dead body and grave are cast into a lake of fire. TY O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory? [Edited 4/5/2017 2:28:55 PM ]
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a_nubian Columbus, OH 54, joined Jan. 2011	Loop Your looking for the gospel to be preached to all the world. Maybe I just can't read, but hear is what Paul said. Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. Will you argue with paul and claim the word has not been preached to all the world? Your wanting to include future generations, and Countries that didn't exsist. You are lifting this verse 18 out of context. Romans 10 Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. The audience were the Jews. Romans 10:4,5 was dealing with law and righteousness. Christ was the fulfillment of the Law of Righteousness. Romans 10:6-9 Established Christ as Savior. Verse 12 is the pivot point. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. And who are they to call on? Jesus. Now that Paul established that, he goes on with the Commission. Romans 10:13-15: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? vs 16, 17 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. (Regarding the world) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.(The Jews knew Truth) Now vs 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, *their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.* That verse has nothing to do with it had "already reached the whole world". Paul was telling the Jews, *"haven't you heard that the gospel has already gone out to all the world."* The apostles along with other disciples had started spreading the Gospel, through Asian, India (Thomas I think), Africa via Phillip and the eunuch and of course Europe. The rest of Romans is dealing with Paul chastising Israel for not doing it's part to with the spread of the Gospel.
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from a_nubian: Loop Your looking for the gospel to be preached to all the world. Maybe I just can't read, but hear is what Paul said. Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. Will you argue with paul and claim the word has not been preached to all the world? Your wanting to include future generations, and Countries that didn't exsist. You are lifting this verse 18 out of context. Romans 10 Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. The audience were the Jews. Romans 10:4,5 was dealing with law and righteousness. Christ was the fulfillment of the Law of Righteousness. Romans 10:6-9 Established Christ as Savior. Verse 12 is the pivot point. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. And who are they to call on? Jesus. Now that Paul established that, he goes on with the Commission. Romans 10:13-15: How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? vs 16, 17 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. (Regarding the world) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.(The Jews knew Truth) Now vs 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, *their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.* That verse has nothing to do with it had "already reached the whole world". Paul was telling the Jews, *"haven't you heard that the gospel has already gone out to all the world."* The apostles along with other disciples had started spreading the Gospel, through Asian, India (Thomas I think), Africa via Phillip and the eunuch and of course Europe. The rest of Romans is dealing with Paul chastising Israel for not doing it's part to with the spread of the Gospel. Nubian, how am I pulling out of context? No Context is needed to see what was said. He asked a question, and then he gave an answer And to say it had not already been accomplished, is changing what Paul said. If it had only gone out, why did Paul say, YES, THEY HAVE HEARD, their sound went unto all the earth and their words unto the end of the world. Let's let scripture say what it says and not change it for our own interpretation. And then of course his statement in Colossians is just as plain.
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Nubian I didn't ignore the verse, and neither did jesus. I'm assuming your wanting to make this verse 3 different questions with 3 different answers. But the fact is that this is 3 questions with the same answer. Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? The first question asked is, " tell us when shall these things be" Well what things? Matt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Matt 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Those things are the things the first question was pertaining to. The 2nd question was, "And what shall be the sign of thy coming" The 3rd question was, "And of the end of the world" Now watch how Jesus answers ALL their questions. Matt 24 4 take heed no man deceive you 5 many will come in my name and shall deceive many 6 ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars, but be not troubled, for all these things must come to pass, but, the end is not yet. notice how he is telling them of things coming, "signs" but then says, "the end is not yet" What was they asking about? Signs and the end? Yep, and jesus is giving the answer. 7 nation against nation, pestilence, famines and earthquakes 8 these are just the beginning of sorrows 9 they shall deliver you up, they shall kill you and you shall be hated 10 many shall be offended, betray and hate one another 11 false prophets shall rise and deceive many 12 iniquity shall abound and love shall wax cold 13 but he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved Once again, he tells them of things coming, and then speak of the end 14 and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall come the end. Now listen close to the next verses 15 when ye shall therefore see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ( whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: when? When ye see the abomination of desolation 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: When? When ye see the abomination of desolation 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. when? When ye see the abomination of desolation 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! when? When ye see the abomination of desolation 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: when? Ye see the abomination of desolation 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. when? Ye see the abomination of desolation 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. when? Ye see the abomination of desolation Now let's clear up what they would be seeing, "the abomination of desolation " Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Pretty clear here that a army surrounding Jerusalem is the "abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel"
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looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	by Daniel" So what was all the signs for? He was answering their question. tell us, when shall these things be? What is the sign of thy coming? What is the sign of the end of the world? Well he gave them the answer. Those things he said were coming, they were signs, signs of what? What was the 1st question? When shall these things be? What things? Matt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes : and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city, 35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Luke 21:22 for these be the days of vengeance, that all things that are written may be fulfilled well there's your answer to "when shall these things be" And when was he talking about? Do you suppose they seen the Roman army surrounding Jerusalem in 68ad? Suppose they fled to the mountains? I'm pretty sure history records it happened and they did. But we're still looking for signs of his coming and the end. Will he answer those questions? Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Now why has he just told them about his coming, and then the next verse speak of the carcase? Suppose it's because of that invading army standing at the door? Are the two things, his coming, and the desolation of Jerusalem,vengeance upon Jerusalem, the samething? but he doesn't stop giving them their answer there. Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Now just pulling these verse out and reading them by themselves, one can place this event anywhere they want to. but when taken in context, there is no other place to put it except 68-70ad bit that's not all. He continues on. Matt 24:33 so likewise, when ye shall see all these things know that it is near, even at the door. what things? Everything he had just spoken to them about. Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. And bigd is gonna say generation doesn't mean generation, so let's look at another verse. Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God. seems pretty straight forward. they asked questions, Jesus answered them, no tricks, no magic or slight of hand, no imagery or confusing speech. He was pretty plain, it just doesn't fit most people's belief, it's not what their looking for. did these warnings, these signs, not mean something to them? Did he warn them of the greatest tribulation ever, then it not come to pass. did jesus prophesy of things that would not happen in their lifetime, Contradicting what God had said about any word spoken would come to pass in there lifetime, ending the proverb. did jesus prophesy falsly? Where is jesus? He lives within me
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Loop: Your looking for the gospel to be preached to all the world. Maybe I just can't read, but hear is what Paul said. Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. Will you argue with paul and claim the word has not been preached to all the world? Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary 10:18-21 Did not the Jews know that the Gentiles were to be called in? They might have known it from Moses and Isaiah. Isaiah speaks plainly of the grace and favour of God, as going before in the receiving of the Gentiles. Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary 18. But I say, Have they not heard?—"Did they not hear?" Can Israel, through any region of his dispersion, plead ignorance of these glad tidings? Matthew Poole's Commentary He answers an objection, that some one might make in behalf of the Jews, to excuse them; that they could not believe, because they had not heard; Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible But I say, have they not heard?.... , "but I say", is a phrase frequently used by the Jewish doctors in disputation, either in forming or answering objections. The Ethiopic version confines these words to Israel, and reads, "have not Israel heard?" As you can plainly read: this verse is about "Did the Jews hear about the Gentiles being accepts. THIS "IS NOT" about preaching to the ends of the world of Gentiles, BUT to the Jews. This is why the gospel is still being preached today. Because, it is for the Gentile and Jew.
4/5/2017 7:43:06 PM	Just how close are WE?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from cupocheer: Iam, could you post the scripture where the dead body and grave are cast into a lake of fire. TY O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory? All of this is specific to being "cast into the eternal Lake of Fire to be tormented daily forever. It includes Satan, the Beast, the antichrist, the false prophet, the wh*re of Babylon, "DEATH and HELL", along with those "not found written" in the "Lamb's Book of Life". Revelation 20: 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. CLV 10 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons." 11 And I perceived a great white throne, and Him Who is sitting upon it, from Whose face earth and heaven fled, and no place was found for them." 12 And I perceived the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne. And the scrolls were opened. And another scroll was opened which is the scroll of life. And the dead were judged by that which is written in the scrolls in accord with their acts." 13 And the sea gives up the dead in it, and death and the unseen give up the dead in them. And they were condemned, each in accord with their acts." 14 And death and the unseen were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death-the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone was not found written in the scroll of life, he was cast into the lake of fire." your question was "completely answered with truth and fact"
4/5/2017 7:58:43 PM	Just how close are WE?
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: Loop: Your looking for the gospel to be preached to all the world. Maybe I just can't read, but hear is what Paul said. Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. Will you argue with paul and claim the word has not been preached to all the world? Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary 10:18-21 Did not the Jews know that the Gentiles were to be called in? They might have known it from Moses and Isaiah. Isaiah speaks plainly of the grace and favour of God, as going before in the receiving of the Gentiles. Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary 18. But I say, Have they not heard?—"Did they not hear?" Can Israel, through any region of his dispersion, plead ignorance of these glad tidings? Matthew Poole's Commentary He answers an objection, that some one might make in behalf of the Jews, to excuse them; that they could not believe, because they had not heard; Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible But I say, have they not heard?.... , "but I say", is a phrase frequently used by the Jewish doctors in disputation, either in forming or answering objections. The Ethiopic version confines these words to Israel, and reads, "have not Israel heard?" As you can plainly read: this verse is about "Did the Jews hear about the Gentiles being accepts. THIS "IS NOT" about preaching to the ends of the world of Gentiles, BUT to the Jews. This is why the gospel is still being preached today. Because, it is for the Gentile and Jew. Really? Really? Commentary trumps scriptures? Really? And the sad thing is this. Your lack of understanding stops you from understanding what these commentaries said. Matthew Poole He answers to someone's objection that they could not believe because they have not heard. Let me illustrate that for you. You "they can not believe, for they have not heard" Paul " yes, they have heard, their voice went unto all the earth and their word into the ends of the world. And I'm not sure where you get the idea, but the jews hearing that the Gentiles were grafted in was not an important factor in the speaking of the gospel. Peter, paul, nor anyone else went around making sure the whole world knew the gentiles were accepted. They went around preaching the gospel. But, now that we know where you get your beliefs, it's easy to understand why you fail to understand.
4/5/2017 8:04:50 PM	Just how close are WE?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Your scripture is FACT: But, you are using it out of meaning to what is literally being written here. This is about the JEWS hearing that God is now for the Gentile. And that Isaiah spoke about this, which the Jews clearly disregarded. I know what this verse means and it refers towards the Jews, not towards the Gentile. It is a confirmation to the Jews about the acceptance of the Gentile.
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iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	If the gospel was already heard and preached around the entire world. Then why did John write Revelations 13 years after he was placed in Patmos, by Titus' (General then Emperor "whom" led the attack on Jerusalem 70 AD) brother, Domitian in 82 AD? Why would John even make the claim, to be visited by Christ, and his holy angels, concerning that "which is yet, to come"? According to your position, John wasted his time or he flat out "lied". If Christ had already returned a second time and Armageddon fulfilled. Why did John's "vision and revelation" fall in line with Daniel's vision, about the "end of things and end of time"? He either lied according to you. Or, according to Roman archive and word of Roman emperor Domitian (brother of emperor Titus), John was placed in Patmos in 82 AD (12 years after 70 AD's destruction) and considered the last remaining link to the physical Christ. [Edited 4/5/2017 8:22:09 PM ]
4/5/2017 8:34:00 PM	Just how close are WE?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012	Quote from iam_resurrected: Loop: Your looking for the gospel to be preached to all the world. Maybe I just can't read, but hear is what Paul said. Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. Will you argue with paul and claim the word has not been preached to all the world? Paul's "word," Paul's "gospel," "preaching the cross," as Slowpoke calls it, maybe has been preached somewhat, here and there, now and then, and the result is that after 2000 years, only 1 out of every 3 people on earth are even nominally "Christian." 2/3rds of the world either has not heard, or is not interested in what Christians have presented to them, possibly they have been turned off by the "fruits" that Christians have exhibited. What has NOT been preached, at all, is the "*gospel of the kingdom," that WORD that Jesus told his followers to preach. That has not been preached. Christians have preached something, but not that. Does it count if you preach the wrong thing? Apparently not, if the numbers showing that only 1/3rd of humanity is Christian after 2000 years is right. "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom..."* "Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching *the gospel of the kingdom of God.* (Mark 1:14) "And this *gospel of the kingdom* shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." (Mat_24:14) But it has not been. In 2000 years, Jesus's gospel of the kingdom has not been preached. PAUL WARNED AGAINST preaching any gospel that did not come from Paul, and Christians follow Paul. Thus, instead of preaching the gospel of the kingdom that Jesus preached, Christians "preach the cross." It's no wonder that Christianity has failed. And only 1/3rd of mankind being Christian after 2000 years of preaching the wrong gospel is clearly a failure. To paraphrase: "It's the wrong gospel, Gromit."
4/5/2017 8:41:35 PM	Just how close are WE?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Wow, Iam! You apparently haven't heard of the first draft of "the unveiling" written circa 69-79, have you? The Book of Revelation is the 2nd writing (revision). Written circa 81-96. John died circa 99 ad.
4/5/2017 8:45:48 PM	Just how close are WE?
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 49, joined Jun. 2008	Quote from iam_resurrected: If the gospel was already heard and preached around the entire world. Then why did John write Revelations 13 years after he was placed in Patmos, by Titus' (General then Emperor "whom" led the attack on Jerusalem 70 AD) brother, Domitian in 82 AD? Why would John even make the claim, to be visited by Christ, and his holy angels, concerning that "which is yet, to come"? According to your position, John wasted his time or he flat out "lied". If Christ had already returned a second time and Armageddon fulfilled. Why did John's "vision and revelation" fall in line with Daniel's vision, about the "end of things and end of time"? He either lied according to you. Or, according to Roman archive and word of Roman emperor Domitian (brother of emperor Titus), John was placed in Patmos in 82 AD (12 years after 70 AD's destruction) and considered the last remaining link to the physical Christ. why? Why? What if? You just don't get it do you? I didn't say that the word went unto the ends of the world. Paul did! You act as if I'm making these things up and this is my own words. Wrong! If you have a problem believing what the word says, maybe pray about it. I myself, I choose to believe it, even if I can wrap my head around it or have questions without answers. I don't change the word to fit my belief, I change my belief to fit the word. but anyways, your running back to Daniel again. Did you read my post earlier? Did you see where Jesus spoke of the vision Daniel seen? Did you see how this all pertained to an army surrounding Jerusalem? Can you say, that concerning Daniel and the abomination of desolation, that I misinterpreted anything? If not, if that part made sense, then also remember that you claim Daniel and revelations are speaking of the same thing. so, if Jesus was speaking G of Daniels vision, and Daniels vision is the samething as john's vision in Revelation, then Jesus was also speaking of Revelation. Which of course, imo, has been established he was speaking of things coming upon them, in their lifetime, and things for them to watch for.
4/5/2017 9:20:39 PM	Just how close are WE?
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4/5/2017 10:20:30 PM	Just how close are WE?
iam_resurrected Reno, NV 47, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from cupocheer: Wow, Iam! You apparently haven't heard of the first draft of "the unveiling" written circa 69-79, have you? The Book of Revelation is the 2nd writing (revision). Written circa 81-96. John died circa 99 ad. Some modern scholars characterise Revelation's author as a putative figure whom they call "John of Patmos". The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the emperor Domitian (AD 81-96), and the evidence tends to confirm this.[4] This is well past "destruction of 70 AD". And logically means Revelation was for things to come AFTER 70 AD, not about 70 AD.
4/5/2017 10:26:47 PM	Just how close are WE?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Good argument, Iam, however, you assert that the later year is more apt to be the correct year of publication while dissing theological discussions pointing to John writing his "unveiling" as a younger man not a senile, and possibly delusional or medicated old man in his 90s. As long as your timeframe fits your theory you push it, don't you, regardless of facts?

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