Do you actually believe that God sent Lucifer and the angels who followed Lucifer to Hell for some undisclosed incident that happened before God created the human race?

I do, because the scripture says exactly that.

Without the interpretations of the Catholic Church, the entity that put the Bible together in the first place, the Bible is a hodgepodge of real and apparent contradictions that can be made to say anything anybody wants it to say, and can be made to support any ism under the sun.

Yes, I do believe that.

Thank you Clarity, for your illustration. Yes hell is a reality and it is taught in the Scriptures. I was going to go on in my illustration on 'connecting the dots' on the reality of the Scriptural teaching on hell, but I needed to once again expose someone on here for who they really are.

I see my favorite fan continues to make more & more posts about me & hell & the trinity. I thought he couldn't get worse as far as lowering his credibility on here after quoting JW and heretical atheistic websites.

But I was wrong. Everyone reading this should once & for all recognize this person for who they are. The former church fathers & saints exposed the false teachers & heretics in their day & we followers of the 'faith once for all delivered to the saints' should do the same in our day and age.

Quote: ""And, by the way, I didn't "lie" about G166. I simply do not agree with Strongs Concordance."

The issue was lying about me, not G166. So first of all he is distorting what I said. That is called lying. Second, when he quoted me, he substituted G165 instead of G166 as I previously showed. He evidently doesn't even know or recognize when he is lying it has become such a habit with him.

But the biggest blow to his credibility now is his own admission to not agreeing with Strong's Concordance, ESPECIALLY ON THE ISSUE OF HELL aka sheol, aka hades, aka gehenna, etc. EVEN WHEN HE QUOTES IT to try & refute the reality of the Scripturally sound teaching concerning hell. But he is not telling the truth again!

Instead, what he has been doing all along, is selectively taking ONLY PARTS of what he wants to use of Strong's definitions & IGNORING the rest of the definition that completely refutes what he is saying. All these years he has quoted Mr. Strong almost exclusively & all these years Mr. Strong's definitions have REFUSTED him & taught just the opposite.

I have challenged him on Strong's definition on 'hades' as referring to those in that place as 'inmates.' In other words, prisoners. Mark 0 for him & 1 for Mr. Strong. Then on the definition of 'gehenna by Mr. Strong, in his Greek dictionary. he pointed back to the Hebrew word that ORIGINALLY referred to a valley, which long ago had sacrifices & burning garbage. He made such a big deal out of it even with nautical directions.

However, Mr. Strong shows that the Greek word now came to symbolize the name for the final place of punishment of the ungodly. Whoa! Tape that man's mouth shut with duct tape. Break his fingers from printing that. Get out your scissors & cut it out of the concordance! It directly refutes me & destroys anything I say.

Not only that but when Mr. Strong says it is the final place for punishment of the ungodly, it makes Gehenna synonymous with the Lake of Fire! How dare that Mr. Strong teach & believe such a thing!

So he doesn't believe Mr. Strong on G166 but instead substitutes G165 instead. But when I showed him his own quote of G165 on 'aion' ['G165 is properly, an age, by extension, perpetuity'] and defined 'by extension, perpetuity, he again ignored what Mr. Strong meant there. He made Mr. Strong schizophrenic--splitting his definition in two--but Mr. Strong doesn't. He apparently doesn't understand English very well because he ignores what 'by extention, perpetuity' means!

Oxford English Dictionary: by extension means 'taking the same line of argument further by extending, stretching out, lengthening or enlarging the scope of the argument.

Perpetuity means: The state or quality of lasting forever; continuing; a period beyond certain limits; never ending or changing.

So again, Mr. Strong soundly refutes him--RIGHTLY DIVIDING OR PARTITIONING THE TRUTH--showing an age is an indefinite period that can extend & last forever. Sometimes it can be a limited duration IF THE CONTEXT shows it but it can definitely be legitimately translated, especially in the plural as forever & ever or eternal.

He has lost all credibility now that his 'slice & dice' method of quoting Mr. Strong has been OPENLY EXPOSED. What a fraud masquerading as some supposed scholar & expert, selectively picking & choosing whatever he wants while ignoring the rest, so his false teachings contrary to historic Christian teachings are proudly touted & ours are sick & twisted, imaginary made up teachings from pagans.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Leave him by himself. Pray for repentance & believing the true gospel, the one that can actually save him by his being born again & regenerated by the true Holy Spirit, before it is too late. He is a modern day example of


2 Cor 11:4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus, whom we did not proclaim, or if you receive a different spirit, which you did not receive, or a different "gospel", which you did not accept, you put up with that well enough.

Don't put up with it. Steer clear of it. Have nothing more to do with it or you will be participating in helping to spread a different jesus by another spirit other than the Holy Spirit or spreading a false gospel. I can't say this more seriously than I have. Thanks for considering what I say.