Lud, this is your thread. I am going to write a message to kb2222 since he keeps taunting me in his prideful, denigrative way. Please put what I write to him in quotes so he can see it. He is clearly a dangerous heretic who openly attacks the basic teachings of Christianity & is horrific in condemning others & especially you. If you allow him to continue posting his anti-Christian & hateful false teaching in your threads, I will no longer write posts in your threads. Thank you. Here is the brief message for kb2222:

Quote: Kb2222 "Brashdoc & isna_la_wica keep me blocked because they can't stand a honest discussion if that discussion leads to having to think outside of their church indoctrinated fundamentalism. They don't have the guts to honestly think about this and answer. My quest for truth past the murderous characterization of God in the Bible contrary to the teachings of Jesus & my own sense of morality started long ago and led me to The Urantia Book." (2017)

Quote: "brashdoc has me blocked because he can't handle the truth & apparently delights in backstabbing." (2012)

Quote: "If you are to believe as Jesus believed you MUST OF NECESSARY IGNORE ALL OT scripture that is incompatible with his teachings." (2012)

Quote: "All scripture that is incompatible with the teachings of Jesus must of necessity be DISGARDED if you are to "Follow" Jesus--that's just good common sense. Right, brashdoc?" (2012)


Quote (TUB home page): "The Urantia Book is a new revelation of truth, not an amplification of Christianity nor of any other religion on Earth. The Urantia Book does not claim to be Christian; it does claim to be Jesusonian."

Quote (TUB 4.5.4): "The barbarous idea of appeasing an angry God, of propitiating an offended Lord, of winning the favor of Deity through sacrifices & penance & even by the shedding of blood, represents a religion wholly puerile & primitive, a philosophy unworthy of an enlightened age of science & truth. Such beliefs are utterly repulsive to the celestial beings & the divine rulers who serve & reign in the universes. It is an affront to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed to win his favor or divert fictitious divine wrath." [TUB implicitly rejects the notion that Jesus’ death & shedding of His blood was required to save souls. It also rejects the resurrection of Jesus & that He is the Messiah!]

Quote: kb2222: "If you were a holy, just, righteous & loving Father-God, would you demand the horrible death of your innocent son as a sacrifice or atonement for the sins of others?"

Jn 3:14-16 "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in Him.” For God so loved the world that HE GAVE His only Son, that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Rom 3:25 God presented Him as an atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness.

THE URANTIA BOOK records Jesus telling his disciple Nathaniel, "The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin" (page 1767); and while "the Scriptures contain much that is true, . . . these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven" (1768). The Jesus of THE URANTIA BOOK flatly denounces "this erroneous idea of the absolute perfection of the Scripture record and the infallibility of its teachings" (1768). Likewise, the book says, "There has been no 'fall of man.' The history of the human race is one of progressive evolution..." (846). God's covenant with Israel is referred to as "the chosen-people delusion." (1005)

THE URANTIA BOOK accomplishes what few other cultic writings have expressed in one breath, namely, the rejection of every significant doctrine of Christianity & Judaism: "The cardinal religious ideas of incantation, inspiration, revelation, propitiation, repentance, atonement, intercession, sacrifice, prayer, confession, worship, survival after death, sacrament, ritual, ransom, salvation, redemption, convenant, uncleanness, purification, prophecy, original sin -- they all go back to the early times of primordial ghost fear" (1005). “The Father in Paradise did not decree, demand, or require the death of his Son. All of this was man's doing; not God's” (p. 2002)

Quote of kb2222: "Urantia reader/believers are TRUE Christian followers of the Master's teachings and strive to believe as he believed not like you Bible Christians who believe the murderous acts in the OT are the works of God. A blood sacrifice to appease an angry God is a Pagan belief & one that Jesus did not espouse. Perhaps you should change your profile to read Pagan if you insist on believing like one."

TUB presents a different Jesus from the Bible. Although they may quote the Bible, he is not the same Jesus found in the Bible. It claims that Jesus' real name was Michael of Nebadon. It also claims Jesus perfected his divinity by seven incarnations among various creatures of the Universe & that within his 7th incarnation on Urantia he was Michael of Nebadon, the 611,121st Creator Son of God. (p. 1323)

All of the above show you as what you are: poisonous snakes as Jesus said. Here is what I said clear back in 2012 when I blocked you:

"I can speak for myself kb2222 rather than U arrogantly telling everyone why I blocked U. Quit spreading discord & lying. The reason I blocked U is that your tirades such as U display here (and continue to do 5 years later, having grown WORSE in your viscious attacks), were getting worse & worse & when U compared myself & Christians as being murderers like Hitler for simply believing the OT, like all Jewish people do too, I blocked U. As I said, this type of rhetoric is what authorities (like the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security) monitor as possible dangerous people (of interest). As a result, I didn't want to have anything more to do with U."

2 Tim 2:15-17 Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman accurately handling the word of truth. But shun profane & vain (futile) babblings; for they will increase unto more ungodliness. Their talk will eat away like gangrene.

All of your questions were answered, refuting your false assertions, by various people, the latest being bigd9832, who did a great job answering them. You blew him off like you have all others before & you will do the same if I chose to address it.

It would be a waste of time! You do not believe the Bible as quoted above, you do not follow the teachings of the BIBLICAL JESUS, you do not believe He is the Messiah or that He rose from the dead & that His shed blood is the propitiation for our sins. You want to cut out & reject the OT & the writings of Paul as spurious. You are a modern day heretical Marcion.

Lud, this is your thread. I am going to write a message to kb2222 since he keeps taunting me in his prideful, denigrative way. Please put what I write to him in quotes so he can see it. He is clearly a dangerous heretic who openly attacks the basic teachings of Christianity & is horrific in condemning others & especially you. If you allow him to continue posting his anti-Christian & hateful false teaching in your threads, I will no longer write posts in your threads. Thank you. Here is the brief message for kb2222:

Quote: Kb2222 "Brashdoc & isna_la_wica keep me blocked because they can't stand a honest discussion if that discussion leads to having to think outside of their church indoctrinated fundamentalism. They don't have the guts to honestly think about this and answer. My quest for truth past the murderous characterization of God in the Bible contrary to the teachings of Jesus & my own sense of morality started long ago and led me to The Urantia Book." (2017)

Quote: "brashdoc has me blocked because he can't handle the truth & apparently delights in backstabbing." (2012)

Quote: "If you are to believe as Jesus believed you MUST OF NECESSARY IGNORE ALL OT scripture that is incompatible with his teachings." (2012)

Quote: "All scripture that is incompatible with the teachings of Jesus must of necessity be DISGARDED if you are to "Follow" Jesus--that's just good common sense. Right, brashdoc?" (2012)


Quote (TUB home page): "The Urantia Book is a new revelation of truth, not an amplification of Christianity nor of any other religion on Earth. The Urantia Book does not claim to be Christian; it does claim to be Jesusonian."

Quote (TUB 4.5.4): "The barbarous idea of appeasing an angry God, of propitiating an offended Lord, of winning the favor of Deity through sacrifices & penance & even by the shedding of blood, represents a religion wholly puerile & primitive, a philosophy unworthy of an enlightened age of science & truth. Such beliefs are utterly repulsive to the celestial beings & the divine rulers who serve & reign in the universes. It is an affront to God to believe, hold, or teach that innocent blood must be shed to win his favor or divert fictitious divine wrath." [TUB implicitly rejects the notion that Jesus’ death & shedding of His blood was required to save souls. It also rejects the resurrection of Jesus & that He is the Messiah!]

Quote: kb2222: "If you were a holy, just, righteous & loving Father-God, would you demand the horrible death of your innocent son as a sacrifice or atonement for the sins of others?"

Jn 3:14-16 "Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in Him.” For God so loved the world that HE GAVE His only Son, that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Rom 3:25 God presented Him as an atoning sacrifice through faith in His blood, in order to demonstrate His righteousness.

THE URANTIA BOOK records Jesus telling his disciple Nathaniel, "The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin" (page 1767); and while "the Scriptures contain much that is true, . . . these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven" (1768). The Jesus of THE URANTIA BOOK flatly denounces "this erroneous idea of the absolute perfection of the Scripture record and the infallibility of its teachings" (1768). Likewise, the book says, "There has been no 'fall of man.' The history of the human race is one of progressive evolution..." (846). God's covenant with Israel is referred to as "the chosen-people delusion." (1005)

THE URANTIA BOOK accomplishes what few other cultic writings have expressed in one breath, namely, the rejection of every significant doctrine of Christianity & Judaism: "The cardinal religious ideas of incantation, inspiration, revelation, propitiation, repentance, atonement, intercession, sacrifice, prayer, confession, worship, survival after death, sacrament, ritual, ransom, salvation, redemption, convenant, uncleanness, purification, prophecy, original sin -- they all go back to the early times of primordial ghost fear" (1005). “The Father in Paradise did not decree, demand, or require the death of his Son. All of this was man's doing; not God's” (p. 2002)

Quote of kb2222: "Urantia reader/believers are TRUE Christian followers of the Master's teachings and strive to believe as he believed not like you Bible Christians who believe the murderous acts in the OT are the works of God. A blood sacrifice to appease an angry God is a Pagan belief & one that Jesus did not espouse. Perhaps you should change your profile to read Pagan if you insist on believing like one."

TUB presents a different Jesus from the Bible. Although they may quote the Bible, he is not the same Jesus found in the Bible. It claims that Jesus' real name was Michael of Nebadon. It also claims Jesus perfected his divinity by seven incarnations among various creatures of the Universe & that within his 7th incarnation on Urantia he was Michael of Nebadon, the 611,121st Creator Son of God. (p. 1323)

All of the above show you as what you are: poisonous snakes as Jesus said. Here is what I said clear back in 2012 when I blocked you:

"I can speak for myself kb2222 rather than U arrogantly telling everyone why I blocked U. Quit spreading discord & lying. The reason I blocked U is that your tirades such as U display here (and continue to do 5 years later, having grown WORSE in your viscious attacks), were getting worse & worse & when U compared myself & Christians as being murderers like Hitler for simply believing the OT, like all Jewish people do too, I blocked U. As I said, this type of rhetoric is what authorities (like the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security) monitor as possible dangerous people (of interest). As a result, I didn't want to have anything more to do with U."

2 Tim 2:15-17 Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman accurately handling the word of truth. But shun profane & vain (futile) babblings; for they will increase unto more ungodliness. Their talk will eat away like gangrene.

All of your questions were answered, refuting your false assertions, by various people, the latest being bigd9832, who did a great job answering them. You blew him off like you have all others before & you will do the same if I chose to address it.

It would be a waste of time! You do not believe the Bible as quoted above, you do not follow the teachings of the BIBLICAL JESUS, you do not believe He is the Messiah or that He rose from the dead & that His shed blood is the propitiation for our sins. You want to cut out & reject the OT & the writings of Paul as spurious. You are a modern day heretical Marcion.

I have absolutely NO desire to speak with you or anyone who speaks for Satan.

Mt 25:46 ...everlasting (aionios) punishment

Hebrews 5:9 author of eternal (aionios) salvation unto all

Hebrews 6:2...and of eternal judgment.

Hebrews 9:12 ...eternal redemption for us.

Hebrews 9:15...the promise of eternal inheritance.

Translation:
King James wanted the translation of scripture into English. Translation is understood to be an act.
King James presented the translation of the English bible in 1611. Translation is understood to be a result.

The translation of the KJV has forever changed people's lives.
Translation is understood to be both the act of translating and the state of being translated.

Nubian --

Actually, the 1st Bible translation was commissioned during the reign of King Henry VIII in 1535

The 2nd Bible translation was the Bishop's Bible in 1568

The 3rd translation of the Bible (known as King James Version) was begun in 1604 and was AUTHORIZED for publication in 1611

These three translations were commisioned by the Church of England. (Not the Catholic Church)

There were 47 biblical scholars who translated the KJV.

The Old Testament was translated into English from the original HEBREW and ARAMAIC.

the New Testament was translated into English from the original GREEK.

The reason King James VI & I authorized the KJV was because the PURITANS were disgruntled by the 2 previous translations.

(Note: The Church of England was fluid in its religious affiliations. The KJV published in 1611 is actually the authorized version of the Bible by a Christian (non-Catholic) King.

It's historical.

The one and only rationale why Hell is forever---Jesus said so.

Is Satan burning in Hell? If so, Hell must exist.

No Satan is not burning in Hell. If he was how could he be influencing man to sin?

If you really want to know what the Bible really means, get a Douay Rheims Bible with Challoner notes.

Without the interpretations of the Catholic Church, the entity that put the Bible together in the first place, the Bible is a hodgepodge of real and apparent contradictions that can be made to say anything anybody wants it to say, and can be made to support any ism under the sun.

Jesus also said, And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

No, Cup, not at all. The Bible---just by itself---is full of all kinds of real and apparent contradictions. With the teachings of the Church we learn the real meaning of things in the Bible, and which things are to be taken literally and which things are to be taken figuratively.

But God's word IS the word of the Catholic Church!

The Catholic Church never "exerted" any payment from me.

But Cup, according to you all I have to do is believe in Jesus and I can now commit sins all over the place and still go to Heaven. So according to you I AM going to Heaven, because I do believe in Jesus Christ.

GOD does not make men murderers. men make men murderers. GOD says the penalty of sin is
death.

kb,
Let's assume for a moment that all creatures believed as you hope we should all believe. All the multitudes of those long dead, those alive now, and those who may come into being in the future -- all believing as you would like about your list.

What will these creatures do when they meet their Creator who disagrees with your consensus?

Consensus is not truth. Someone said He is the Way and the Truth and the Life, and no one comes to the Father except through Him.

Why would Jesus lay down His life for his friends and say no greater love is there than to lay down one's life for his friends, if that wasn't God's salvation plan?

There are lyrics of a song which say, "Champion of heaven made a way for all to enter in".

Or you can fail at being perfect and fail to enter in.