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Even if you're not...smile anyway, or else!

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There are two kinds of Christians.

Real Christians like me who follow Jesus only, and...

...bible Christians in thousands of differing sects who follow Paul and John and Ringo and Chuck Swindle and Franklin Graham, the pope, and everyone else in that book and their doctrines of men and say it's all God's word.

"Follow me," Jesus said.

"Hear ye Him," God said.

Jesus never said, "Follow Paul."

Jesus never heard of Paul.

God never said, "Hear ye Paul."

So much Christian confusion. They don't even know why He came, even though He plainly says why, and they don't even know what the "gospel of the kingdom" is that He told them to preach. So they "preach the cross" instead.

Yes, I am a real Christian.



5/9/2017 6:27:37 AM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  
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for Jesus Christ -- the only reason.

5/10/2017 12:12:48 AM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  

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I submit that you don't have to believe in Jesus to be a Christian.

All you have to do is believe and do what He said.

And He said, if you do the Father's will, love God and love your neighbor as you love yourself, YOU WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, you will be saved.

All the rest is the doctrines of men, be they Catholic or Baptist or Muslim or Jew. If Jesus didn't say it, it's a doctrine of men.

Example: Doctrine of men: Jesus came to die for our sins.

Jesus: “To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.” (John 18:37)

Example: Doctrine of men (Ludlow): "God forgives repentant sinners only. God does not forgive everyone who forgives others."

Jesus: "...if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Matthew 6:14)

Example: Doctrine of men (Ludlow): I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.

Jesus: "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6

Example: Doctrine of men: We preach the Cross as Paul directed, lest we be accursed as Paul said. (paraphrasing slowpoke somewhat)

Jesus: Mat_24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations;

5/10/2017 6:24:26 AM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  
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A CHRISTIAN is one who believes in Jesus Christ and follows his teachings.

Don't be confused about that by some 'flowery' summation.

Don't trust posters on the internet to tell you the truth, read the Bible. It's been stated there for thousands of years and even the most ardent dissenters through the ages cannot quell it's truths.

Have a great day. Jesus loves you.

5/10/2017 2:26:11 PM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  

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Quote from cupocheer:
A CHRISTIAN is one who believes in Jesus Christ and follows his teachings.


Where does Jesus say, "YOU must believe in me to be saved"?

On the other hand, He does clearly say you must do the Father's will to be saved. He does clearly say that if you love God and love your fellow man, you will be saved.

The idea that "you must believe in Jesus to be saved" is a doctrine of men.

Don't trust posters on the internet to tell you the truth, read the Bible. It's been stated there for thousands of years and even the most ardent dissenters through the ages cannot quell it's truths.


The "truth" has been stated in the bible for thousands of years? Are you sure?

And do you believe that these verses, this biblical marital fidelity test below, is the truth from God?

Really? Have you ever read it? How can you defend it as being "the truth" or "the word of God"?

Num 5:11  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 5:12  Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
Num 5:13  And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
Num 5:14  And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
Num 5:15  Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
Num 5:16  And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
Num 5:17  And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
Num 5:18  And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:19  And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:20  But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
Num 5:21  Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
Num 5:22  And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
Num 5:23  And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
Num 5:24  And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
Num 5:25  Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
Num 5:26  And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
Num 5:27  And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
Num 5:28  And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
Num 5:29  This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Num 5:30  Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.
Num 5:31  Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

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Christians have changed Jesus's gospel of salvation, His "gospel of the kingdom," (Matthew 9:35) the gospel that Jesus preached and which He told His followers to preach (Mat_24:14), doing the Father's will (Matthew 7:21) by loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself (Luke 10:27), ... Christians have changed that to salvation by believing in Jesus and their idea that He came to die for their sins, the gospel of "the Cross" that they preach even though Jesus clearly says what He came here for, "to bear witness unto the truth." (John 18:37) Why don't they hear that? Why don't they hear Him? Why do they substitute what they say He came for, for what He says He came for? Christians preach the doctrines of men about Jesus, not the doctrines of Jesus, from Jesus.

5/10/2017 3:45:06 PM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  
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Roman's 10



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Quote from cupocheer:
Roman's 10



Romans whatever is the doctrines of men. The doctrines of Jesus come from Jesus.

5/10/2017 4:42:04 PM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  
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Wow.. Roman's was supposedly written by Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Are you calling Paul a liar or just ALL the apostles of Jesus Christ who wrote about Jesus?

Either eye witnesses to Jesus' teachings and life are telling the truth or you have a f**ked up understanding of Christianity, FJO.



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Quote from cupocheer:
Wow.. Roman's was supposedly written by Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ.

Are you calling Paul a liar or just ALL the apostles of Jesus Christ who wrote about Jesus?

Either eye witnesses to Jesus' teachings and life are telling the truth or you have a f**ked up understanding of Christianity, FJO.


I am not a follower of alleged "eye witnesses to Jesus' teachings and life." I am a follower of Jesus. Paul certainly was not an eye witnesses to Jesus' teachings and life. Are you kidding me?

Jesus was God. His doctrines are the doctrines of God.

Paul and everyone else in the bible was a man. Romans is the doctrines of men. How hard is that? And no, Paul was not "an apostle of Jesus Christ."

Please, do you know anything at all?

"Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth..." Mat 10:2-5

Paul's name is not among them.

Jesus never heard of Paul.

In fact, no one ever heard of Paul until Paul came along talking about Paul.

Paul is not mentioned in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John.

Somehow you need to get up to speed.

And of course, Luke and Mark were not apostles either. Did you think they were?



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I am not a follower of alleged "eye witnesses to Jesus' teachings and life." I am a follower of Jesus. Paul certainly was not an eye witnesses to Jesus' teachings and life. Are you kidding me?

Jesus was God. His doctrines are the doctrines of God.

Paul and everyone else in the bible was a man. Romans is the doctrines of men. How hard is that? And no, Paul was not "an apostle of Jesus Christ."

Please, do you know anything at all?

"Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent forth..." Mat 10:2-5

Paul's name is not among them.

Jesus never heard of Paul.

In fact, no one ever heard of Paul until Paul came along talking about Paul.

Paul is not mentioned in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John.

Somehow you need to get up to speed.

And of course, Luke and Mark were not apostles either. Did you think they were?


This post really sets you apart from others, FJO.

It makes a very bold statement of just how young, theologically immature, and confused you really are.

FJO, when they told you that 'it doesn't matter if you know what you are talking about or not as long as you keeping talking as if you know what you are talking about, whether it is correct or incorrect, they will believe that you know what you are talking about and swallow it hook-line-and sinker' they lied to you, and you fell for their spiel.

Jesus was NOT God!

JESUS IS GOD!

I won't address all the other bullshit you posted but I will leave you with this sage advice:

Push your chair away from the table.

Stand up!

Turn around!

Walk away!

The meal they are attempting to serve you has been poisoned.


JESUS LOVES YOU, CHILD

THIS I KNOW

5/11/2017 2:57:52 PM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  

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Cup, you are a biblically ignorant person, no offense. You know almost nothing about the bible. And you didn't refute anything I said, instead, you launched into an unrelated incoherent ad hominem attack. People do that when they are trapped in a corner of their own making.

Your statement about "eye witnesses to Jesus' teachings and life," shows that you know nothing about the bible.

What eyewitnesses are you talking about? Name them.

Wikipedia says:

"Most scholars believe the Gospel of Matthew was composed between AD 80 and 90, with a range of possibility between AD 70 to 110 (a pre-70 date remains a minority view).[2][3] The anonymous author was probably a male Jew, standing on the margin between traditional and non-traditional Jewish values, and familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture being debated in his time.[4]"

Anonymous. Did you get that?

Please, cup, learn something about the bible. You could start here:

https://youtu.be/i1_dUFQUcXc

You would be much more effective if you knew what you were talking about.

Yes, I know. Jesus loves me. But that's not the issue here. The issue is, Paul was a mere man and his ideas are the doctrines of men. Also, the doctrines of all the other "eyewitnesses" to Jesus' life. If they are not the words of Jesus, they are the doctrines of men. And no, no one said anyone is lying. Watch the video and pay attention. Learn something, please, I beg you.

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This post really sets you apart from others, FJO.

It makes a very bold statement of just how young, theologically immature, and confused you really are.

FJO, when they told you that 'it doesn't matter if you know what you are talking about or not as long as you keeping talking as if you know what you are talking about, whether it is correct or incorrect, they will believe that you know what you are talking about and swallow it hook-line-and sinker' they lied to you, and you fell for their spiel.

Jesus was NOT God!

JESUS IS GOD!

I won't address all the other bullshit you posted but I will leave you with this sage advice:

Push your chair away from the table.

Stand up!

Turn around!

Walk away!

The meal they are attempting to serve you has been poisoned.


JESUS LOVES YOU, CHILD

THIS I KNOW


5/11/2017 3:30:41 PM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  
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Oh look, did FJO just post like Jillybob? And didn't NeneBubbles do the same thing?

Oh, and "Louise" learn some different "adult use" words. You are wearing out the couple you know.

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You're a nut job, cup.

5/11/2017 6:05:50 PM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  
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I am a female, FJO.

5/12/2017 10:25:29 PM Smile if you are a CHRISTIAN  

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Did you watch that video?

https://youtu.be/i1_dUFQUcXc

You could learn a lot.

As Bart Simpson said, "this poetry ain't gonna appreciate itself."



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USE IT or LOSE IT

(I'm tired of coddling your ass.)