Olam Haba * After-Life?

5/17/2017 3:08:34 PM	*Olam Haba After-Life?**
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	It seems that there has been some misinformation floating around here regarding the Jews and their idea of what happens after death. Before we can clear up this mess we have to know how many "sects" of the Jews there are. There is a pretty good article about the categories of Jews at: http://www.jewishroots.net/library/miscellaneous/denominations-of-judaism-2.html They are... Messianic Judaism Reconstructionist Ultra Orthodox Humanistic Orthodox Flexidox Conservative Past Denominations Reformed Miscellaneous One of the branches contains what is known as Rabbinic Judaism... Rabbinic Judaism: This type of Judaism is not focused solely on the what the Bible says. Instead, it focuses on the writing of famous rabbi's who have written highly respected commentaries explaining what they believe to be God's message. The rabbi's commentaries are given precedence when they are in conflict with what the word of God teaches. Of course, every Jewish sect believes that they will be redeemed and the others will all be punished. The term “sect” requires some clarification, as it usually is used in regard to Christian groups that periodically broke way from the Church for social and ideological reasons. In this period, only the Essenes of Qumran come close to fitting that definition. Other groups, such as the Pharisees, Sadducees, Hasidians of Maccabean days, Sicarii, and early Christians, all operated in Jerusalem and wider Judean society and were not a priori opposed to the religious establishment. The term “sect” is thus not the most appropriate for our historical context. So I shall refer to the Jewish "sects" as "movements. There are 71 - 72 (depending on who is counting them) Jewish sects or "movements. Some of them sprang up after Jesus came. Each movement believes themselves to be the "true" group of Jews and each one thinks the others will be punished for their false teachings. Is this any different from Christianity? I had to say all this because there are some here who have been posting false information concerning the Jews. One guy read some stuff on a web page and became an instant expert. Amazing! If a rabbi writes a book or makes a comment regarding his own movement, that is probably true. But if he tries to make a comment about the entire Jewish community, that would be almost impossible and certainly not accurate. There are some movements that are very secretive about their beliefs and daily lives. Olam Haba - Means "the world to come." Jews do not believe that death is the end. But that there is some type of "life" after death. Traditional Judaism firmly believes that death is not the end of human existence. However, because Judaism is primarily focused on life here and now rather than on the afterlife, Judaism does not have much dogma about the afterlife, and leaves a great deal of room for personal opinion. It is possible for an Orthodox Jew to believe that the souls of the righteous dead go to a place similar to the Christian heaven, or that they are reincarnated through many lifetimes, or that they simply wait until the coming of the messiah, when they will be resurrected. Likewise, Orthodox Jews can believe that the souls of the wicked are tormented by demons of their own creation, or that wicked souls are simply destroyed at death, ceasing to exist. Biblical References to the Afterlife Some scholars claim that belief in the afterlife is a teaching that developed late in Jewish history. It is true that the Torah emphasizes immediate, concrete, physical rewards and punishments rather than abstract future ones. See, for example, Lev. 26:3-9 and Deut. 11:13-15. http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm So there is not much information on the world after death. Considering that there are about 70 movements it is certainly possible that all three of these beliefs might be represented. But to take the word of one Jewish rabbi regarding the entire Jewish community is nothing short of anti-semitic. How can one Jew represent all 70 movements? Could ludlow represent all of Christianity? One Jew, one movement, one set of beliefs. So if there are three answers to the question, what happens to us after death... 1. the souls of the righteous dead go to a place similar to the Christian heaven 2. they are reincarnated through many lifetimes 3. they simply wait until the coming of the messiah, when they will be resurrected The Jewish Gemara has 4 answers to the question, "What happens to us after death." Even what we know to be true about what happens after death can be interpreted. Three things happen at death... The body returns to the soil (Gen. 3:19) The spirit returns to it's Maker (Ecc.12:7) The soul goes to the unseen {sheol} (Ec 9:5, 9:10, Ezk 18:4, Ps 16:10, 86:13, Pr 23:14) But is 'sheol' a real place or just a representation or symbol? Can the words for "spirit" and "soul" be interchanged? Strictly speaking the period referred to by the phrase olam ha-ba or its equivalent atid lavo, between which and the present order of things comes the age of the Messiah (cf. Zev. 118b; Tosef. Ar. 2:7; also Ar. 13b), is the final order of things beginning with the general resurrection and the last judgment. According to the Palestinian amora R. Johanan, the golden age of the future pictured by the prophets concerned only the days of the Messiah. As for the world to come, it is said of it, "Eye hath not seen" (Isa. 64:3). His older contemporary, the Babylonian amora Samuel, however, held the view that the only difference between the present time and the Messianic era lay in the fact that Israel's current subjection to the rule of alien empires would cease. The new order of things would, therefore, according to him, first commence after the age of the Messiah was over (cf. Sanh. 99a; Ber. 34b). http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/olam-ha-ba *************************************************************************** A good and short video... http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/life-after-death/ *************************************************************************** The Torah Portion ends with the distressing story of the son of an Egyptian man and Jewish woman who committed the grave sin of blasphemy and as a result was severely punished. http://www.aish.com/tp/i/gl/150340825.html Here is an interesting story, and perhaps an illustration of what might have happened. It is entirely possible that some Jews picked up part of the Egyptian religion and incorporated them into their beliefs while they were in Egypt. The same might have been true during their occupation in Rome. Both of these have a so-called "after-life." However, the Bible speaks of a faithful remnant of Israel who held to the beliefs of the Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the Scriptures. CLV Ro 11:5 Thus, then, in the current era also, there has come to be a remnant according to the choice of grace. CLV Re 12:17 And the dragon is angry with the woman, and came away to do battle with the rest of her seed, who are keeping the precepts of God and who have the testimony of Jesus. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
5/17/2017 3:09:02 PM	*Olam Haba After-Life?**
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	cont... In discussing the laws of conversion (Hilchos Issurei Biah 14:4), Rambam writes that a convert is told that the “World to Come” (olam haba) is for “the Tzaddikim (righteous), and they are Israel.”1 2 In Hilchos Teshuva (3:13) he explains further that, “All of Israel has a portion in the World to Come, even if they have sinned, for it says ‘your nation is all righteous, they will always inherit the land’—this land is a parable, i.e., the land of life, which is the world to come— and so too the Chassidim (saintly) amongst the nations of the world.” http://www.hakirah.org/vol%2010%20buchman.pdf *************************************************************************** According to the beginning of the Mesilas Yesharim, the entire purpose of creation is for man to merit Olam Haba (the bliss of the next world). If so, why is there no mention nor description of Olam Haba in the Torah, except in vague shrouded terms? https://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/27061/why-is-there-no-description-of-olam-haba-in-the-torah ************************************************************************* So the question remains, is Olam Haba a physical place, or an ethereal one? The answer would depend on who you ask. It is believed that the idea of an ethereal life after death was developed sometime after Jesus had come. CLV Jn 11:14 Jesus, then, said to them with boldness then, "Lazarus died. 15 And I am rejoicing because of you, that you should be believing, seeing that I was not there. But we may be going to him." CLV Jn 11:23 Jesus is saying to her, "Your brother will be rising." 24 Martha is saying to Him, "I am aware that he will be rising in the resurrection in the last day." Martha was expressing what she was taught as a child among the Jews. This belief is clearly a reflection of what Christians refer to as the Millennium. CLV Re 20:4 And I perceived thrones, and they are seated on them, and judgment was granted to them. And the souls of those executed because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who do not worship the wild beast or its image, and did not get the emblem on their forehead and on their hand--they also live and reign with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead do not live until the thousand years should be finished.) This is the former resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is he who is having part in the former resurrection! Over these the second death has not jurisdiction, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will be reigning with Him the thousand years. This website offers 32 Bible verses about the Millennium... https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Millennium More clues about the Millennium are in the Lord's Prayer... CLV Mt 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will become done, as in heaven, on earth also. CLV Lk 11:2 Now He said to them, "Whenever you may be praying, be saying, `Our Father, Who art in the heavens, hallowed be Thy name! Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, on earth also, Christianity has never really accepted the Millennium because of their insistence on going to Heaven. We do go to Heaven, but not until after the Millennium and after the Great White Throne Judgment. CLV Re 21:1 And I perceived a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth pass away, and the sea is not more. Didn't Jesus tell us that Heaven will pass away? CLV Mt 5:18 For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.** I also agree with what Rabbi Friedman said about the after-life. He said what dies is dead and what is alive lives. How can there even be such thing as an "after-life"?

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