An evil church

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6/12/2017 3:54:47 PM	An evil church
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* Ludlow says: "Any person, once a Catholic, who leaves the Church for another religion, commits the same sin as Judas Iscariot." It's an evil church which forces a person into their church through infant baptism, and then says they are a traitor if, once they grow up into adulthood and can make their own informed choice in the matter, they leave the church they were forced into as a baby. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
6/12/2017 6:24:58 PM	An evil church
asanb Sanbornton, NH 61, joined Jul. 2012
6/12/2017 8:55:08 PM	An evil church
rey2140 Sullivan, OH 48, joined Sep. 2013 online now!	The Catholic Church is all about control. A form of universal ideology from a past long gone, yet still lives.
6/12/2017 11:54:05 PM	An evil church
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from rey2140: The Catholic Church is all about control. A form of universal ideology from a past long gone, yet still lives. I was reading a comparison a while back of the similarities between the Catholic cult and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Both of those organizations are control freaks.
6/13/2017 12:02:04 AM	An evil church
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from asanb: Your post makes no sense. Do you believe that someone who is baptized into Catholicism as a helpless infant, basically against his or her will, who later grows up to be able to make their own informed adult choice about it, and who then leaves the Catholic cult, commits the same sin as Judas, as Ludlow asserts? Yes? No?
6/13/2017 1:59:30 AM	An evil church
lordclarence South Yorkshire United Kingdom 59, joined Mar. 2013	. Quote from followjesusonly: * Ludlow says: "Any person, once a Catholic, who leaves the Church for another religion, commits the same sin as Judas Iscariot." It's an evil church which forces a person into their church through infant baptism, and then says they are a traitor if, once they grow up into adulthood and can make their own informed choice in the matter, they leave the church they were forced into as a baby. The problem with your thread title is that you're taking a saying of a known forum extremist and assuming it represents the official policy of the Catholic church. I don't know if it does. More information needed. This is the result of a light Google: Full Question If a Catholic converts to another religion, will he attain heaven? The debate in our family is that the Lord will still accept the fact that he is practicing a religion even though he converted. My answer to them is that he will not attain heaven, although how can I judge? Answer Ultimately, you cannot judge since you do not know for certain the state of the person’s conscience. This does not mean, however, that you cannot or should not warn the individual against the gravely dangerous course of action he is undertaking. The First Vatican Council pointed out that in addition to intellectual arguments for the truth of the Catholic faith, God "confirms by his grace those whom he has translated into his admirable light [i.e., of the Catholic faith], so that they may persevere in this light, not abandoning them unless he is first abandoned" (Decree on the Catholic Faith 3). Those who have embraced the Catholic faith are thus in a special position because of the extra grace they are given in maintaining their faith. The situation of those who, by the heavenly gift of faith, have embraced the Catholic truth is by no means the same as that of those who, led by human opinions, follow a false religion; for those who have accepted the faith under the guidance of the Church can never have any just cause for changing this faith or for calling it into question. (Decree on the Catholic Faith 3) The bottom line is that for one who has embraced the Catholic faith and who has not lost the use of reason, God will always provide the grace and evidence necessary maintain his adherence to the Catholic faith. If such a person does not maintain this adherence then either (a) he never embraced the Catholic faith, (b) he has since lost the use of reason (either generally or in relation to this subject), or (c) he abandoned the faith through his own fault, in which case he will bear the eternal consequence of doing so. Which of these is the case in a particular instance is something that we in this life are unable to determine due to our inability to read consciences. https://www.catholic.com/qa/if-someone-leaves-the-church-for-another-religion-can-he-still-be-saved
6/13/2017 2:42:20 AM	An evil church
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* Quote from lordclarence: . Quote from followjesusonly: * Ludlow says: "Any person, once a Catholic, who leaves the Church for another religion, commits the same sin as Judas Iscariot." It's an evil church which forces a person into their church through infant baptism, and then says they are a traitor if, once they grow up into adulthood and can make their own informed choice in the matter, they leave the church they were forced into as a baby. The problem with your thread title is that you're taking a saying of a known forum extremist and assuming it represents the official policy of the Catholic church. I don't know if it does. More information needed. This is the result of a light Google: Full Question If a Catholic converts to another religion, will he attain heaven? The debate in our family is that the Lord will still accept the fact that he is practicing a religion even though he converted. My answer to them is that he will not attain heaven, although how can I judge? Answer Ultimately, you cannot judge since you do not know for certain the state of the person’s conscience. This does not mean, however, that you cannot or should not warn the individual against the gravely dangerous course of action he is undertaking. The First Vatican Council pointed out that in addition to intellectual arguments for the truth of the Catholic faith, God "confirms by his grace those whom he has translated into his admirable light [i.e., of the Catholic faith], so that they may persevere in this light, not abandoning them unless he is first abandoned" (Decree on the Catholic Faith 3). Those who have embraced the Catholic faith are thus in a special position because of the extra grace they are given in maintaining their faith. The situation of those who, by the heavenly gift of faith, have embraced the Catholic truth is by no means the same as that of those who, led by human opinions, follow a false religion; for those who have accepted the faith under the guidance of the Church can never have any just cause for changing this faith or for calling it into question. (Decree on the Catholic Faith 3) The bottom line is that for one who has embraced the Catholic faith and who has not lost the use of reason, God will always provide the grace and evidence necessary maintain his adherence to the Catholic faith. If such a person does not maintain this adherence then either (a) he never embraced the Catholic faith, (b) he has since lost the use of reason (either generally or in relation to this subject), or (c) he abandoned the faith through his own fault, in which case he will bear the eternal consequence of doing so. Which of these is the case in a particular instance is something that we in this life are unable to determine due to our inability to read consciences. https://www.catholic.com/qa/if-someone-leaves-the-church-for-another-religion-can-he-still-be-saved That's very nice, clarence. I took from it that basically, Ludlow's statement is the Catholic position, since they said to "warn the individual against the gravely dangerous course of action he is undertaking." They want you to FEAR it, to FEAR using your God given free will to choose your own way. And that's what Ludlow is doing through his psychological terrorism, saying you are a traitor if you go to another religion, and of course, you can't be saved, which also means you will be tortured in Hell. Another way they play the game is to say, "Once a catholic, always a catholic." It's a complete disregard for mans' free will. It's disrespectful and spiritually and mindally terroristic. It's a mind f**k. That's the catholic mind games they play, and "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation" is another one of them. "If you reject the pope, you reject God," is another one. They are intransigent on these issues. And if they are "are unable to determine [this, changing of faiths] due to our inability to read consciences," how are they able to determine that "Outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation"? Are you in contact with Ludlow, that is, he doesn't have you blocked or vice versa? Would you ask him if he would torture us and burn you or asanb or me at the stake if the pope said we were heretics and ordered him to do so?
6/13/2017 7:32:54 AM	An evil church
rey2140 Sullivan, OH 48, joined Sep. 2013 online now!	Quote from followjesusonly: I was reading a comparison a while back of the similarities between the Catholic cult and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Both of those organizations are control freaks. You can include Mormonism in the control freak category. I know many people of the Catholic faith and some friends of Mormon persuasion. All their doctrines are meant as a tool to control the individual. I get there are people in society that have no self control. These doctrines are created to make the person lacking in self control to fear. The problem is, it is taken to extreme measures and becomes a giant weight on the backs of people, especially the ones that grow up under it.
6/13/2017 4:21:45 PM	An evil church
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from rey2140: You can include Mormonism in the control freak category. I know many people of the Catholic faith and some friends of Mormon persuasion. All their doctrines are meant as a tool to control the individual. I get there are people in society that have no self control. These doctrines are created to make the person lacking in self control to fear. The problem is, it is taken to extreme measures and becomes a giant weight on the backs of people, especially the ones that grow up under it. Indeed. The Urantia Book has a lot to say about such religions, which it calls "the religions of authority." It describes Catholicism and people like Ludlow perfectly: 155:5.8 ...large numbers of men and women will continue to show a personal preference for those religions of authority which require only intellectual assent, in contrast to the religion of the spirit, which entails active participation of mind and soul in the faith adventure of grappling with the rigorous realities of progressive human experience. 155:5.9 The acceptance of the traditional religions of authority presents the easy way out for man’s urge to seek satisfaction for the longings of his spiritual nature. The settled, crystallized, and established religions of authority afford a ready refuge to which the distracted and distraught soul of man may flee when harassed by fear and tormented by uncertainty. Such a religion requires of its devotees, as the price to be paid for its satisfactions and assurances, only a passive and purely intellectual assent. 155:5.10 And for a long time there will live on earth those timid, fearful, and hesitant individuals who will prefer thus to secure their religious consolations, even though, in so casting their lot with the religions of authority, they compromise the sovereignty of personality, debase the dignity of self-respect, and utterly surrender the right to participate in that most thrilling and inspiring of all possible human experiences: the personal quest for truth, the exhilaration of facing the perils of intellectual discovery, the determination to explore the realities of personal religious experience, the supreme satisfaction of experiencing the personal triumph of the actual realization of the victory of spiritual faith over intellectual doubt as it is honestly won in the supreme adventure of all human existence—man seeking God, for himself and as himself, and finding him. 155:5.11 The religion of the spirit means effort, struggle, conflict, faith, determination, love, loyalty, and progress. The religion of the mind—the theology of authority—requires little or none of these exertions from its formal believers. Tradition is a safe refuge and an easy path for those fearful and halfhearted souls who instinctively shun the spirit struggles and mental uncertainties associated with those faith voyages of daring adventure out upon the high seas of unexplored truth in search for the farther shores of spiritual realities as they may be discovered by the progressive human mind and experienced by the evolving human soul. 155:6.9 The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience—uniformity of destiny—making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration.
6/13/2017 5:05:11 PM	An evil church
rey2140 Sullivan, OH 48, joined Sep. 2013 online now!	"Religions of authority" seems an appropriate wording of such. I don't know if it is so much as people are looking for the easy way, though it could be a case in point, or just allowed themselves to be duped. I do not doubt that there are millions of people who think they have it right in all cases. At some point though, one would have to think someone is wrong.
6/18/2017 10:43:07 AM	An evil church
fairymaiden Bristol, CT 50, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from followjesusonly: * Ludlow says: "Any person, once a Catholic, who leaves the Church for another religion, commits the same sin as Judas Iscariot." It's an evil church which forces a person into their church through infant baptism, and then says they are a traitor if, once they grow up into adulthood and can make their own informed choice in the matter, they leave the church they were forced into as a baby. Those Catholics, I'll tell ya... they are just so ridiculous. Only their religion is the true religion. Everyone else is going to Hell.
6/18/2017 2:44:18 PM	An evil church
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from fairymaiden: Those Catholics, I'll tell ya... they are just so ridiculous. Only their religion is the true religion. Everyone else is going to Hell. But wait! It says "Catholic" on your profile.
6/18/2017 4:56:27 PM	An evil church
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	* And another thing, how do you Connecticutians pronounce "Connecticut" anyway? Is it connect-i-kut? Or con-net-i-kut? And according to Wikipedia, it doesn't even connect any cuts at all. Wiki says it's just a garbled version of a native American word, which they refused to divulge.
6/20/2017 11:40:57 PM	An evil church
fairymaiden Bristol, CT 50, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from followjesusonly: * And another thing, how do you Connecticutians pronounce "Connecticut" anyway? Is it connect-i-kut? Or con-net-i-kut? And according to Wikipedia, it doesn't even connect any cuts at all. Wiki says it's just a garbled version of a native American word, which they refused to divulge. I personally pronounce it Ka na ti kit.
6/21/2017 12:24:23 AM	An evil church
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 74, joined May. 2012	Quote from fairymaiden: I personally pronounce it Ka na ti kit. I hope you see my post about the little mouse in Stardew Valley on another thread. Here it is anyway: Stardew Valley has a mouse just like yours. She runs a hat shop out of an abandoned house. And she gets top dollar (1000g) for her hats. She's in the doorway below just to the right of the "Hats" sign.

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