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Quote from iam_resurrected:


but evolution cannot begin without having first the [laws] in place. so the universe would have to decide on its own for these [laws] to exist before the universe could naturally evolve.


Properties can and do come into existence simultaneously. Like time and space.

The mind and the brain develop simultaneously, before the brain there is no mind
and before the mind there is no brain.

The universe could of had innumerable laws but only the only the ones that
contributed to a steady state survived.

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Quote from mylegsarecold:
Properties can and do come into existence simultaneously. Like time and space.

The mind and the brain develop simultaneously, before the brain there is no mind
and before the mind there is no brain.

The universe could of had innumerable laws but only the only the ones that
contributed to a steady state survived.





these [laws] are specific. and you are putting an [accident] in control of placing and separating laws as if the "accident" could be so decisive.



[Edited 6/19/2017 12:25:07 PM ]

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mylegsarecold
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
these [laws] are specific. and you are putting an [accident] in control of placing and separating laws as if the "accident" could be so decisive.

Yes, we live in an accidental universe.

Accidents just seem decisive. Like winning the lottery, the winner thinks they
are special, but it's just probability. Quantum mechanics.

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iam_resurrected
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Quote from mylegsarecold:
Yes, we live in an accidental universe.

Accidents just seem decisive. Like winning the lottery, the winner thinks they
are special, but it's just probability. Quantum mechanics.




no, because the lottery is guaranteed to eventually win, where accidents can never guarantee anything but an accident. the accident has absolutely no bearing on the outcome, it [the accident] is just the cause. the effect is the outcome which [the accident] has no control over.

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no, because the lottery is guaranteed to eventually win


Well no it's not guaranteed.

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iam_resurrected
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there are only so many possible lotto combos that if enough peeps play one will win, and normally large pots have multiple winners. so you yourself buying a ticket is not personally guaranteed, but [you] as part of the whole buying tickets are guaranteed there will be a winner.

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Olaf_the_german
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there are only so many possible lotto combos that if enough peeps play one will win, and normally large pots have multiple winners. so you yourself buying a ticket is not personally guaranteed, but [you] as part of the whole buying tickets are guaranteed there will be a winner.

Again no, there are NO guarantees...you might want to look the word up.

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iam_resurrected
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Again no, there are NO guarantees...you might want to look the word up.





the [PERCENTAGES][%] of someone winning the lottery is [almost a BILLION times greater] than an accident happening [BBT] and poof we are here now in this thing called life

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the [PERCENTAGES][%] of someone winning the lottery is [almost a BILLION times greater] than an accident happening [BBT] and poof we are here now in this thing called life

Chance of someone winning and guarantee that someone will win are two different things..again look the word up if you are unsure of it's meaning.

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iam_resurrected
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the [lottery] "industry" (moron) guarantees someone will win. they have their machines and the combinations set that eventually someone is GUARANTEED to win.

we would not play [IF] no one ever wins!!

the fact we know people win and it is guaranteed by the [lottery peeps] someone will eventually win are the % we go by.

and even this slim percentage is a greater chance than the BBT happening!!

what are you, even slower today than normal?



[Edited 6/19/2017 1:02:24 PM ]

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Olaf_the_german
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the [lottery] "industry" (moron) guarantees someone will win.

The lottery "industry" huh.. Stop making shit up as you go along I_am...

Copy paste this guarantee they made...until then you're talking shit as usual

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God is good.

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Quote from teigeasaurus:
God is good.


Which one?

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The lottery "industry" huh.. Stop making shit up as you go along I_am...

Copy paste this guarantee they made...until then you're talking shit as usual







it is under the terminology in lottery referred to as: [the odds]
when it list 1 in whatever digit 1/1,000,000,000 (one in one billion) means 1 in that number of participants (billion participants) is [GUARANTEED] to win.

dude, you are from England and i have to teach you Engrish slang lotto style?

you are [SLOW]!!

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Odin

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Olaf_the_german
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it is under the terminology in lottery referred to as: [the odds]
when it list 1 in whatever digit 1/1,000,000,000 (one in one billion) means 1 in that number of participants (billion participants) is [GUARANTEED] to win.

dude, you are from England and i have to teach you Engrish slang lotto style?

you are [SLOW]!!


Listen carefully math expert....1 in 1 billion odds doesn't mean if a billion people play someone is guaranteed to win...Simply because their marketing monkeys say so doesn't make it so...check with your shop math booklet.

There are no guarantees with random number results...they are random...as are the numbers the 1 billion players play.

Of that 1 billion, 900 million might pick the same or similar numbers...

Again odds and guarantee are two different things...there is NO GUARANTEE the lottery (jackpot) will be won...hence most weeks it's roll over dumbass...no one wins...the following week is A NEW DRAW NOT THE SAME DRAW/GAME...Someone winning isn't guaranteed...as most weeks they don't. Let it sink in moron...

You just fall for the marketing blurb you sap



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iam_resurrected
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Listen carefully math expert....1 in 1 billion odds doesn't mean if a billion people play someone is guaranteed to win...Simply because their marketing monkeys say so doesn't make it so...check with your shop math booklet.

There are no guarantees with random number results...they are random...as are the numbers the 1 billion players play.

Of that 1 billion, 900 million might pick the same or similar numbers...

Again odds and guarantee are two different things...there is NO GUARANTEE the lottery (jackpot) will be won...hence most weeks it's roll over dumbass...no one wins...the following week is A NEW DRAW NOT THE SAME DRAW/GAME...Someone winning isn't guaranteed...as most weeks they don't. Let it sink in moron...

You just fall for the marketing blurb you sap












if you look at how the lottery grows to 450 million is because lack of interest at first. the suckers are buying now and not enough numbers to change it. rarely anyone wins less than 50 million and that can take a week to get that high. when the big jackpots split or have a single winner there are more participants and the number hits typically twice.

you obviously do not know. yes it is a scam. but when the numbers are involved the jackpot has only gotten past 600 million once because the [NUMBERS] are there!!

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if you look at how the lottery grows to 450 million is because lack of interest at first. the suckers are buying now and not enough numbers to change it. rarely anyone wins less than 50 million and that can take a week to get that high. when the big jackpots split or have a single winner there are more participants and the number hits typically twice.

you obviously do not know. yes it is a scam. but when the numbers are involved the jackpot has only gotten past 600 million once because the [NUMBERS] are there!!


Let me try to simplify it as much as is possible.

There are no guarantees the lottery will be won. Anyone familiar with the lottery will know most weeks it ISN'T won...and no compensation (re: guarntee payout) is given...the following week is A NEW GAME...NOT THE SAME GAME...LAST WEEKS GAME WAS NOT WON...hence there is no guarantee it will be won..because again...read it slowly

MOST WEEKS IT ISN'T WON.

Get it yet? ...every new game is a new game...if they truly offered a guarantee it would be won EVERY WEEK.. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HONOR THE GUARANTEE...

You mistake (among many) is lack of comprehension as usual and failure to understand context.

Now if they say under *odds* "someone is guaranteed to win eventually according to the odds!" That's not a guarantee from the lottery commission that someone will win...that's marketing blurb to say to you..."well someone eventually will!"

It's a lie, because again, it ignores the fact most weeks it IS'NT won...and every NEW week is a NEW game..not the same one.

If the lottery commission really guaranteed someone would win the lottery they'd be bankrupt by now when 1 billion none winners sued them for breach of the guarantee every week it was not won.

A little additional on Odds and random numbers.

There is no guarantee your number will ever be picked, random numbers are just that...each number has exactly the same chance of being picked as any other.

For example...if you have numbers 1 to 100...and have the following weeks wins..

Week 1: 34
Week 2: 34
Week 3: 34

The odds of Week 4's numbers being 34 again are sky high right??? WRONG...34 has exactly the same odds of being drawn as any of the other numbers from 1 to 100...your dumb brain just tells you it's higher because its' been 34 for the last 3 weeks...but it's not...it's just as much chance to be draw again as any other number.

What that means...if you a million people playing the lottery and lets say a million number combinations...there is no guarantee the million players will EVER pick the winning lottery numbers...EVER...the odds say eventually someone will...but that's not a guarantee..

Back to school Iam...back to school.



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most weeks when it is a small jackpot the number of participants are lower. when the jackpot gets over 100 million the number increase. when it gets to 250 mill people are .buying more than one number increasing the odds to fill the number required.

because if there are 150 thousand combinations which is a max count typically, you only need 20 million people or tickets to cover the possible combinations. because at what combo max there is it has to issue a number to one of those tickets if all possible combo's are purchased.

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most weeks when it is a small jackpot the number of participants are lower. when the jackpot gets over 100 million the number increase. when it gets to 250 mill people are .buying more than one number increasing the odds to fill the number required.

because if there are 150 thousand combinations which is a max count typically, you only need 20 million people or tickets to cover the possible combinations. because at what combo max there is it has to issue a number to one of those tickets if all possible combo's are purchased.


Most weeks it isn't won...there is no guarantee...you fell for the marketing blurb that is just that and not a real guarantee.

Again if it was a real guarantee they would be bankrupt from the millions of lawsuits.

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Olaf still wears underpants.

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Looks about right.

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iam_resurrected
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and my point is most weeks that are not won because the jackpot is not big enough to generate the number of participants to cover the number of combinations. it is when jackpot is big enough it generates the number of participants to cover the spread.

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Ahh the smell of it.

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Arguing with Iam again, eh? You just love to push buttons.

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Olaf_the_german
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and my point is most weeks that are not won because the jackpot is not big enough to generate the number of participants to cover the number of combinations. it is when jackpot is big enough it generates the number of participants to cover the spread.

Higher number of players does not necessary = higher spread of numbers picked...it could be less!

100 people told "Pick a number 1 to 100"..they COULD all pick a unique number...and so a 100% spread

200 people told "Pick a number 1 to 100"...the increase in people according to your theory would guarantee an even spread right? WRONG...that's not GUARANTEED...it's expected but not guaranteed...

It's possible those 200 might all pick numbers that fall between 1 and 60...and no one picks 61 to 100.

There are no guarantees with random numbers...sure you can have expectations and odds that say someone WILL pick 61-100..but that's not guaranteed.

Any guarantee given on random numbers is horseshit/marketing blurb/bluff calling...

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Arguing with Iam again, eh? You just love to push buttons.

I don't argue I correct and educate...

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iam_resurrected
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i am taking what this recent American power ball and mega has produced and it's numbers.
and when there are great numbers of participants there have been up to 7 separate winners with exact same number combo.

it seems random but yet it is all about the numbers.

and mega has less winners because their number combo into the 70's means somewhere close to 100 million plus combinations.

power ball is small with less numbers for combo's and why someone wins every month or so.

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"I correct and educate"



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You spew stupidity!!!!

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Quote from iam_resurrected:
No...im claiming the universe is the universe and there is no deity.....im claiming natural evolution.....




but evolution cannot begin without having first the [laws] in place. so the universe would have to decide on its own for these [laws] to exist before the universe could naturally evolve.

these [laws] are designed for motion. when something moves it becomes subject to these laws. when they jump they come back down.

so bottom line, the universe would have had to make a decision to put these [laws] into place before natural evolution could ever think of beginning.

that would make the universe a deity then since it knew these [laws] "HAVE TO EXIST" before natural evolution can even think about beginning.







Bullshit...if species don't have to make a decision to evolve...neither does the universe...it just is...there doesn't have to be any other meaning attached to it...

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Some do that. Others think he's involved in everything, etc.


But I think it's an attitude of humility first. Not just belief...

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Quote from M4mischief:
Bullshit...if species don't have to make a decision to evolve...neither does the universe...it just is...there doesn't have to be any other meaning attached to it...


exact it exists anyway.

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God is good.


Sorry, sweetheart, ancient human mammals created "the gods" and they're not necessary creatures. Their names are nothing but symbols of primitivism, extraordinary tributes to ignorance and an abysmal lack of thought.

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Quote from M4mischief:
Bullshit...if species don't have to make a decision to evolve...neither does the universe...it just is...there doesn't have to be any other meaning attached to it...




a law is different than something that is just there. whatever is just there is abiding by the [laws] i previously mentioned. the universe is abiding by laws. so, if a mistake happened and we suddenly got laws is one thing. but the universe on its own either had to produce these laws or these laws were in place along with the universe.

you clearly are speaking out of your a** because you are not taking in consideration what a LAW is.
if you used your mind to comprehend a law you would see a law is greater than your universe.

you are the same as science thinking this was all an accident when it is impossible to be subjective to [laws] within an accident...that is more on lines of a miracle, not an accident.

and who said the species evolved into other forms?
that is not even "NATURAL SELECTION" if you are claiming [natural evolution].
so, how can you have natural evolution within natural selection and 1 species changes into another one?

none of what you say makes sense!!

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a law is different than something that is just there. whatever is just there is abiding by the [laws] i previously mentioned. the universe is abiding by laws.


Physical laws are man made constructs to help dumb dumbs understand how the universe works, the universe doesn't abide by laws...it was around long before the concept of laws existed.

The laws are written to fit in with how the universe works, not the other way around.

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iam_resurrected
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:
Physical laws are man made constructs to help dumb dumbs understand how the universe works, the universe doesn't abide by laws...it was around long before the concept of laws existed.

The laws are written to fit in with how the universe works, not the other way around.





those laws are defined by YAH, well before science added them to their list. the Old Testament Book of Job is around 2500 years old and speaks of gravity, magnetics, and inertia in biblical Hebraic terms.

these [terms] EXISTED well before science used them for their own purpose.

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Olaf_the_german
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those laws are defined by YAH, well before science added them to their list. the Old Testament Book of Job is around 2500 years old and speaks of gravity, magnetics, and inertia in biblical Hebraic terms.

these [terms] EXISTED well before science used them for their own purpose.


Hey stupid, read it again...I said they were a man made construct...again try to let it sink in...the laws constructed by man were from observing the universe...the universe was around long before those observers...therefore the universe does not "abide" by the man made laws...the laws abide by the observation of the universe

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iam_resurrected
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2500 b.c. would make it 4500 years old

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iam_resurrected
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Hey stupid, read it again...I said they were a man made construct...again try to let it sink in...the laws constructed by man were from observing the universe...the universe was around long before those observers...therefore the universe does not "abide" by the man made laws...the laws abide by the observation of the universe






if the GREEKS are correct and YAH is real then He made the claim 4500 years about these laws [to which] man adopted, not created since they were defined before man knew they existed.

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cupocheer
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Wasn't the poetry and prose, which comprise the Old Testament Book of Job proved, by scientific, biblical & historical analysis to have been written in the 6th century BC?

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Olaf_the_german
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if the GREEKS are correct and YAH is real then He made the claim 4500 years about these laws [to which] man adopted, not created since they were defined before man knew they existed.


So who created these laws if not humans...fish?


Either way the universe was here first...universal and physical laws were written based on the observation of the universe and the forces within it...the laws abide by those observations...not the other way around



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iam_resurrected
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:






if the GREEKS are correct and YAH is real then He made the claim 4500 years about these laws [to which] man adopted, not created since they were defined before man knew they existed.


So who created these laws if not humans...fish?


Either way the universe was here first...universal and physical laws were written based on the observation of the universe and the forces within it...the laws abide by those observations...not the other way around





using the GREEKS once again here: but if they are correct about math and science and Yahshua, then God created the universe and defined it first.

Man is just making up sh*t as he goes along in the name of truth [science], like BBT, and the several things i list that (still have no) [factual proof], but accepted as factual proof.

that is insanity, not a fact...but a [rather specific] solid proof of insanity

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using the GREEKS once again here: but if they are correct about math and science and Yahshua, then God created the universe and defined it first.

And if my Aunty had balls she'd be my Uncle.

...so lets say that's right...that god created the universe...that has NOTHING to do with the fact that the MAN MADE LAWS which were created to help us undeerstand better how the universe works...were made by MEN...

Again for the 3rd time, the universe came before man...(whether god came before the universe is irrelevant)..man created the laws based on observation of the universe...the laws abide by those observations, NOT as you stated the universe abiding by the laws.

Let it sink in dumb dumb.

6/20/2017 11:04:11 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  

iam_resurrected
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...so lets say that's right...that god created the universe...that has NOTHING to do with the fact that the MAN MADE LAWS which were created to help us undeerstand better how the universe works...were made by MEN...






it has everything to do with if the meaning of man is correct or not. since by this example we are using God created it all:

if God created it all then God already defined it.

so man should use the terms that God used [since] man has access to what God said (even in bastardized form), but there are scripture that exists untouched that verifies this anyways (j/s).



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6/20/2017 11:08:32 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  
Olaf_the_german
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since by this example we are using God created it all:

Well no, it's called Newton's law...not God's law. Newton came up with the law...based on his observations..It's definitely a man made law based on Newton's observations and experimentation...stupid.

Again...these laws abide by observation of the universe..the universe does not abide by the law as the universe came before those man made laws...

Now if after 3 or 4 simple explanations you are STILL not getting that very very simple logic you are either the most stupid person alive or just so cowardly you can't ever admit you're wrong.

Which is it? (ask for god's help if you don't know the answer)

6/20/2017 11:12:24 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  

iam_resurrected
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i understand the concept of the patent...

it might be Newton's Law according to science and within humanity, but God still created the [law] in how it works and will always be the one who defines it even if it is known as the Newton's Law

6/20/2017 11:15:22 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  
Olaf_the_german
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i understand the concept of the patent...
but God still created the [law]


Again...no, the laws were definitely created by men...they are credited to men.

6/20/2017 11:19:48 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  
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Didn't God set forth the Ten Commandments and then God told Moses that he was responsible for coming up with the laws for the Israelite people to abide & live by.

So.. God gave a "to do list" to mankind and Moses wrote it down so the Israelites could comprehend. Right?

6/20/2017 11:20:36 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  

iam_resurrected
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Quote from Olaf_the_german:
i understand the concept of the patent...
but God still created the [law]


Again...no, the laws were definitely created by men...they are credited to men.





so man created the actual sense of gravity that is part of the equation keeping earth from colliding with moons and other planets?

they went to space and created the gravitational pull, the electromagnetic field, and inertia so they can rightfully define it?

so when we look into space and see where the stars appear [we know man went there and applied these LAWS keeping them where they appear to be]?

impressive, but i do not buy it

6/20/2017 11:20:54 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  
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Didn't God set forth the Ten Commandments and then God told Moses that he was responsible for coming up with the laws for the Israelite people to abide & live by.

So.. God gave a "to do list" to mankind and Moses wrote it down so the Israelites could comprehend. Right?


Different laws dumb dumb...we are discussing universal laws..aka, gravity and shit...not whether you can f**k your neighbors wife and such.

6/20/2017 11:22:10 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  
Olaf_the_german
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
so man created the actual sense of gravity


No stupid..for starters gravity isn't a sense

Secondly...no they only created the LAW, not gravity itself...that's the point...the LAW abides by the actual force (gravity)...Gravity doesn't abide by the LAW...gravity came BEFORE the man made LAW.

Duh...Jesus help him.

6/20/2017 11:28:28 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  

iam_resurrected
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No stupid..for starters gravity isn't a sense

Secondly...no they only created the LAW, not gravity itself...that's the point...the LAW abides by the actual force (gravity)...Gravity doesn't abide by the LAW...gravity came BEFORE the man made LAW.

Duh...Jesus help him.






i am using your own words. in my line of work, it is the one who creates the concept with physical manifestation [gage] who gets the credit.

there is a difference in being the one who created gravity and the one who saw an apple drop and claim that is what gravity is. the one is putting into action what someone else had already created.

therefore, Newton [discovered] gravity as a law but he did not create it.

6/20/2017 11:31:15 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  
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i am using your own words.

Well my words were that the universe doesn't follow scientific laws, those law follows the observations of universe.



6/20/2017 11:33:22 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
so man created the actual sense of gravity that is part of the equation keeping earth from colliding with moons and other planets?

they went to space and created the gravitational pull, the electromagnetic field, and inertia so they can rightfully define it?

so when we look into space and see where the stars appear [we know man went there and applied these LAWS keeping them where they appear to be]?

impressive, but i do not buy it


Man didn't "create" gravity, Iam -- he discovered it existed or he would have been free floating. Duh!

6/20/2017 11:34:10 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  
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Man didn't "create" gravity, Iam -- he discovered it existed or he would have been free floating. Duh!

If cup gets it I_am then you should....

6/20/2017 11:38:40 AM Why do religious folks credit God for the good things..? | Page 3  

iam_resurrected
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Man didn't "create" gravity, Iam -- he discovered it existed or he would have been free floating. Duh!

If cup gets it I_am then you should....




Quote from iam_resurrected:
No stupid..for starters gravity isn't a sense

Secondly...no they only created the LAW, not gravity itself...that's the point...the LAW abides by the actual force (gravity)...Gravity doesn't abide by the LAW...gravity came BEFORE the man made LAW.

Duh...Jesus help him.






i am using your own words. in my line of work, it is the one who creates the concept with physical manifestation [gage] who gets the credit.

there is a difference in being the one who created gravity and the one who saw an apple drop and claim that is what gravity is. the one is putting into action what someone else had already created.

therefore, Newton [discovered] gravity as a law but he did not create it.



read last line and this post was before both of yours [5 minutes before your posts]



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