“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl

6/25/2017 9:31:09 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mr_bad_robot Cincinnati, OH 42, joined Jul. 2014	Socialism can't survive without capitalism. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
6/25/2017 9:33:53 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mz_jeannie_baby Rochester, MI 57, joined Sep. 2012	Quote from mr_bad_robot: Socialism can't survive without capitalism. and socialism comes in to rescue the plight of the common man from the 'errors' of capitalism.
6/25/2017 9:40:27 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
thekinghasrisen San Diego, CA 32, joined Nov. 2013 online now!	Quote from texasproud52: “Under what economic system is there more food available to more people? All of them bruv. Famine in cities is mostly an access issue, not one of supply. Also, availability means little. To illustrate this, please observe the new 2017 Aston Martin that's "available" to you. [Edited 6/25/2017 9:42:01 AM ]
6/25/2017 9:44:09 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mr_bad_robot Cincinnati, OH 42, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from mz_jeannie_baby: and socialism comes in to rescue the plight of the common man from the 'errors' of capitalism. People seek their own level for various reasons. In any society the cream rises to the top. Everyone else falls below that at some level. Capitalism by design is a great system. The error is human greed.
6/25/2017 9:47:25 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
jitssbaby617 Roslindale, MA 38, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from mz_jeannie_baby: and socialism comes in to rescue the plight of the common man from the 'errors' of capitalism. B*tch it don't work you can't name any place it works you dumb ass
6/25/2017 9:50:06 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mz_jeannie_baby Rochester, MI 57, joined Sep. 2012	Quote from mr_bad_robot: People seek their own level for various reasons. In any society the cream rises to the top. Everyone else falls below that at some level. Capitalism by design is a great system. The error is human greed. on your last note I'd agree. how bout that?
6/25/2017 10:07:11 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mr_bad_robot Cincinnati, OH 42, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from mz_jeannie_baby: on your last note I'd agree. how bout that? Greed is also found in socialism. That's why a dozen of eggs in Venezuela costs $150.
6/25/2017 10:19:23 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
beanhammer Denton, TX 52, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from dmolark: that's easy. it's socialism because then you can force the landowners to feed people or don't get themselves fed like stalin did with millions of ukrainians during the 1930s when he was during urban planning. also with collectives the people will help each other and not compete for best parts of the market or chicken. let's see, what else. there's a few other things too. You have lost your mind
6/25/2017 10:43:40 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
testsignup Springfield, VA 63, joined Sep. 2009	Quote from texasproud52: test I did not say more people in a country I said more people. My answer is correct with that stipulation.
6/25/2017 10:54:59 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Capitalism is about one thing and one thing only: capitalists getting richer. Capitalism does not feel the least bit obligated to feed people. If people get fed in the course of capitalist profit-making, that's fine. If people starve in the course of capitalist profit-making, well that's fine, too. ----------------- HOW WEALTH CREATES POVERTY By Michael Parenti 2007 http://www.artsandopinion.com/2007_v6_n2/parenti-2.htm Excerpts: The transnationals push out local businesses in the Third World and pre-empt their markets. American agribusiness cartels, heavily subsidized by U.S. taxpayers, dump surplus products in other countries at below cost and undersell local farmers. As Christopher Cook describes it in his Diet for a Dead Planet, they expropriate the best land in these countries for cash-crop exports, usually monoculture crops requiring large amounts of pesticides, leaving less and less acreage for the hundreds of varieties of organically grown foods that feed the local populations. By displacing local populations from their lands and robbing them of their self-sufficiency, corporations create overcrowded labour markets of desperate people who are forced into shanty towns to toil for poverty wages (when they can get work), often in violation of the countries’ own minimum wage laws. The purpose behind capitalist investments, loans, and aid programs is not to uplift the masses in other countries. That is certainly not the business they are in. The purpose is to serve the interests of global capital accumulation, to take over the lands and local economies of Third World peoples, monopolize their markets, depress their wages, indenture their labour with enormous debts, privatize their public service sector, and prevent these nations from emerging as trade competitors by not allowing them a normal development.
6/25/2017 11:20:12 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Hey, right-wing-capitalism-lovers, what do you think about giving food stamps to poor, hungry people? RIGHT-WING-CAPITALISM-LOVERS: Fk those people! Let 'em all fking starve. Our beloved billionaire capitalists could use the tax cut from cutting those mother-fkers off cold. Well, surely, you all think that children should be fed. I mean, you do all profess to love fetuses with all your hearts. RIGHT-WING-CAPITALISM-LOVERS: Fk those kids! Fk 'em all right in the nose. Give them a spoonful of ketchup and they'll be fine. I mean, you don't expect us to tax billionaires so that hungry poor kids can eat (laughing at the ridiculousness of even suggesting increasing taxes on rich capitalists to feed hungry people). Why, that would destroy the capitalist system, you fking commie! ----------- Ketchup Is a Vegetable & Other Republican Myths - Remember Reagan By H Scott Prosterman Sunday Feb 06, 2011 https://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/06/941664/-Ketchup-Is-a-Vegetable-Other-Republican-Myths-Remember-Reagan?via=tag Excerpt: Under Reagan, school lunch programs were severely cut back or eliminated. Ketchup was declared to be a vegetable in order to satisfy nutritional requirements. Under Reagan, pre-natal medical and nutritional programs for low-income and working mothers were ended. Children died as a result; so did some mothers before they could give birth.
6/25/2017 4:32:55 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	I read about a university professor in the US who constantly promoted socialism in his classes. He took a sabbatical and took advantage of it to travel the world, visiting socialist countries around the world to document and prove that citizens were better off under socialism. What he found, to his surprise, was the exact opposite. Citizens in socialist country were worse off. He then wrote a book detailing his findings. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. You cannot argue with facts. The facts have always supported countries with free enterprise (private capitalism) as the best and most prosperous countries for its citizens. And this reminds me of a revelation of God through Father Paul of Moll, who had the gift of unusual knowledge, all of which knowledge came directly from God. God says, according to Father Paul, that "socialism is a passing fad on Earth". Some of the Godless Liberals in this forum who like to preach to Christians on what it is that Christ taught (as if they gave two hoots) is that Christ was a socialist and that he promoted socialism. But that is false. God the Father commands us: “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife and thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods”. Does it sound to any of you Godless Liberals posting here that God is forbidding the private ownership of property in his command? Quite the opposite. He is forbidding you from stealing or even from coveting your neighbor’s goods, the goods that your neighbor owns. Yet socialists are constantly advocating, here and elsewhere, that the Government steal your neighbor’s property to distribute to you and your Godless cohorts. The Marxist redistribution of wealth (especially at the point of a government gun) does not for a prosperous nation make. But that's human nature. Who wants to work and slave for something that the government is going to steal from you? If you knew you could not keep what you earned, you would be more inclined to just lay down and do nothing. That's human nature. Louie
6/25/2017 4:42:43 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mudclean Warren, MI 36, joined Sep. 2008 online now!	When the Mayflower landed the travelers signed a socialist pact that whatever was produced was shared equally. People who could produce more declined to do so and people started dying as a result. Socialism failed. So, they signed a new agreement. They were all given an equal piece of land and they were all entitled to whatever they could produce. There was such a surplus that everyone benefited. Capitalism was a success. Didn't you Dumbocrats learn the story of the Mayflower in grade school?
6/25/2017 5:47:26 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	Mudclean, you ask: "Didn't you Dumbocrats learn the story of the Mayflower in grade school?" No, as you know, they don't teach American history in our public schools anymore. Even as I write, they are trying to erase American history or revise it. Even as I write, they are tearing down Confederate war monuments around the nation. They are having to do some of it at night out of fear that Americans may take offense to what they are doing. And they are rewriting textbooks to erase or downgrade the founding fathers. This is one reason Dumocrats today are dumb. They actually believe what their Marxist professors and teachers are teaching them in school and what the Ministry of Propaganda is telling them on the daily "news" (notice the use of quotes here, yes, I'm rubbing it in a little). Louie
6/25/2017 6:07:08 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
w6o6l6f_1 Richmond, VA 39, joined May. 2014	Plant a garden and grow your own food, dig a well. Have a few chickens and some livestock. Just don't sell the cow for magic beans.
6/25/2017 6:32:57 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from louie6332: I read about a university professor in the US who constantly promoted socialism in his classes. He took a sabbatical and took advantage of it to travel the world, visiting socialist countries around the world to document and prove that citizens were better off under socialism. Socialism is government by the productive members of society, the working-class, rather than the parasites on the working-class, the capitalists. Nowhere in the world does the working-class hold state power and everybody knows it. "Workers of the world, unite!" -- Karl Marx
6/25/2017 6:36:51 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from mudclean: When the Mayflower landed the travelers signed a socialist pact that whatever was produced was shared equally. People who could produce more declined to do so and people started dying as a result. Socialism failed. So, they signed a new agreement. They were all given an equal piece of land and they were all entitled to whatever they could produce. There was such a surplus that everyone benefited. Capitalism was a success. Didn't you Dumbocrats learn the story of the Mayflower in grade school? Funny how the Native Americans had been making socialism work for centuries, yet those dumb, greedy, Mayflower pilgrims couldn't figure out a simple feat that had been accomplished by humans for more than 12,000 years: how to grow food and share it. [Edited 6/25/2017 6:37:32 PM ]
6/25/2017 6:56:18 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
w6o6l6f_1 Richmond, VA 39, joined May. 2014	Quote from w6o6l6f_1: Plant a garden and grow your own food, dig a well. Have a few chickens and some livestock. Just don't sell the cow for magic beans. Living by a fresh water source is one of the most important things. I have enjoyed the James River all my life. The trick is to not pollute the resources. Only savages use their water supply as a sewer. Third world countries have the most diseases.
6/25/2017 7:27:21 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
shylywilling Medford, OR 55, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from mz_jeannie_baby: communism fails from a human perspective. Ingenuity and creative endeavors can not be put down, they are innate and resonate within each of us by means of talents. walls will be torn down and people will die for their freedoms. The freedom to create. Most if not virtually all have been misled regarding just exactly what the two economic choices are. There exists only two kinds, a system of private property resource management, Capitalism, and NO private property, or community owned and managed resource system, Communism. Currently the global resource distribution is a private property based capitalism and the resources currently reside at about 90% owned and in control of just one percent of the global population leaving only the remaining 10 % global resources available to be competed for by 99 % of the population. Imagine a football team that only allows the elite wealthy quarterback to keep the ball, every play, every game. We are pathetically retarded by this depravation of our talent. Imagine a petree dish with ten cells in a group. Only one cell is the recipient of all the resources available after the bare minimum needed to sustain the enslavement of the other nine cells survival. Such an entity would not survive long in this diverse universe and this is the model of why we are naturally inclined to form communiy, endeavor to create civilizations. The single most compelling reason for a nation is to protect and nurture the most feeble and vulnerable of our species, (peatree dish). The second is to take advantage of the efficiencies of economies of scale. Profit is derived from opportunity. Someone else's. It is enslavement. Private property capitalism is the "forbidden fruit" and is the enemy of state. I have been given unto a parable to share. We have 20 racers that split into two separate groups for ten-lap timed qualifying races. The ten in group-A beat and bang their way all the way to the checker flag and some may not even make it while even the winner has been damaged and progress and performance slowed. Group-B runs nose to tail like a freight train right to and beyond the checker. Not even a scratch at the finish on any of the ten competitors in group-B. The winner of Group A has a slower qualifying time/speed then even the last place competitor in the unblemished cooperatively aerodynamically advantaged group B. Group-A displayed Laissez faire capitalism and raced only for personal victory at all cost even at a personal risk sustained damage in effort to beat and or eliminate competitors. Group-B displayed the democratic Christian communist principle. One for all and all for one. The entire group-B outperformed even the winner of group-A. The entire group of capitalists do not qualify in the top ten performers. All ten democratic communists survive and thrive. Cast of Characters Group A: (Embryo of gods) 1st place through 9th place.....The elite one percenters. They start up front in the newest and most advanced proven equipment and are virtually unchallenged the entire race. Includes some passengers which otherwise would not be in this group. Senior public and corporate administrative executives. The Vatican. 10th place......The other ninety nine percent of the population. Various stages of upper middle economic classes, surplus labor, economically disenfranchised and physically disadvantaged classes. The enslaved classes. Many in this group have no idea that they are limited to at best the front seat of the last car by the deliberate intentions and leverages of the one percent advantaged. Many have been tricked into believing that they are unfairly limited by and supporting their fellow enslaved passengers in the back seat instead of the one percent. Nobody in this car can enjoy the ride as it is a constant uncivil battle to just maintain a seat in hopes of an enjoyable ride. Group B: (Infant of LORD God) Equal citizens of civilization. Mature, evolved, and survived.
6/25/2017 9:05:18 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mudclean Warren, MI 36, joined Sep. 2008 online now!	Quote from condor_0000: Funny how the Native Americans had been making socialism work for centuries, yet those dumb, greedy, Mayflower pilgrims couldn't figure out a simple feat that had been accomplished by humans for more than 12,000 years: how to grow food and share it. So your solution is to live in a teepee and eat corn for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Ok.
6/25/2017 9:25:29 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
testsignup Springfield, VA 63, joined Sep. 2009	Quote from mudclean: When the Mayflower landed the travelers signed a socialist pact that whatever was produced was shared equally. People who could produce more declined to do so and people started dying as a result. Socialism failed. So, they signed a new agreement. They were all given an equal piece of land and they were all entitled to whatever they could produce. There was such a surplus that everyone benefited. Capitalism was a success. Didn't you Dumbocrats learn the story of the Mayflower in grade school? Poppyc*ck. Nothing of the sort is true.
6/25/2017 10:28:11 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mudclean Warren, MI 36, joined Sep. 2008 online now!	Quote from testsignup: Poppyc*ck. Nothing of the sort is true. It's all true.
6/25/2017 10:55:49 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
fallguy02379 Brockton, MA 53, joined Sep. 2011	Quote from mudclean: So your solution is to live in a teepee and eat corn for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Ok. Wednesday, 26 November 2008 The Pilgrims Weren't Socialists https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4736-the-pilgrims-werent-socialists glad i could help
6/26/2017 1:13:34 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
shylywilling Medford, OR 55, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from mudclean: So your solution is to live in a teepee and eat corn for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Ok. Unless you want to appear the eternally retarded and depraved adolescent slave to the elite private property capitalists, the one percent, why would you want to continue to participate as an unwitting slave in a system that promises you and 99% of the global population a diminishing personal individual potential of at best only ten percent of your actual unfettered potential?
6/26/2017 2:06:37 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 56, joined Jul. 2012	Over the last 30 years a billion people in Asia have come out of poverty because of capitalism. Capitalism is the ONLY system on the planet where an ambitious poor person can rise up and become wealthy.
6/26/2017 2:59:57 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
shylywilling Medford, OR 55, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from texasproud52: Over the last 30 years a billion people in Asia have come out of poverty because of capitalism. Capitalism is the ONLY system on the planet where an ambitious poor person can rise up and become wealthy. How did they get to be poor while amongst wealthy? They were and are private property capitalists. It is true enough though that the awesome American attempt at democracy/civility has had a positive influence on the global trauma of the conflicting interests and hypocrisies of a resource management system of private property capitalism, (Darwinism), but as we are vividly and painfully seeing play out, ultimately even this great attempted endeavor at utopia is no match for the retarding and divisional and conflicting influences of a private property resource management system of individual agents serving a priority default of self first. If you think the Rand books described the horrors of communism you are mistaken. The tsars and others in positions of authority did not lack resources, they were and are capitalists capitalizing on the ability to abuse their positions to further increase their personal individual leverage and advantages.
6/26/2017 4:05:15 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
korbyn Bat Cave, NC 98, joined Jun. 2013	Quote from texasproud52: “Under what economic system is there more food available to more people? I used to send you chain emails that I made up. I was known as "The Black Marine".
6/26/2017 6:11:30 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 56, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from korbyn: I used to send you chain emails that I made up. I was known as "The Black Marine". Fake profile...false claim...you may be libtarded
6/26/2017 6:23:39 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
testsignup Springfield, VA 63, joined Sep. 2009	Quote from texasproud52: Over the last 30 years a billion people in Asia have come out of poverty because of capitalism. Capitalism is the ONLY system on the planet where an ambitious poor person can rise up and become wealthy. The biggest problem with this, as stated, is that you don't spell out what you mean by "capitalism." Capitalism includes a great deal of activities, both productive and destructive. It isn't a single, unified system of finance at all. Nor is it a form of governance. It doesn't cause anything, it is the RESULT of a collection of human behaviors, some of which are codified into laws, and over a long time, some theorists decided to give the resulting mish mash the name "capitalism." Peoples tend to advance, such as you describe, when they are both protected from external harm, and are unimpeded from forces within their own group. Capitalism does NOT provide for either of those conditions. Unless someone with what you would call SOCIALIST ideals, as in making rules so that ALL may benefit from each other, and all be prevented from damaging each other, the natural human behaviors which fuel capitalist desires for individual profit, inevitably result in abuse, short-term profiteering, pillage, even slavery. That isn't because capitalism CAUSES people to behave that way, it is because people naturally behave that way, and unfettered capitalism ALLOWS them to.
6/26/2017 6:53:33 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mudclean Warren, MI 36, joined Sep. 2008 online now!	Quote from fallguy02379: Wednesday, 26 November 2008 The Pilgrims Weren't Socialists https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4736-the-pilgrims-werent-socialists glad i could help Check your sources. They signed a contract prior to landing that everything that was produced would be equally shared. That is socialism.
6/26/2017 6:57:40 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
progrocknic Mount Arlington, NJ 33, joined Dec. 2012 online now!	Quote from mudclean: Check your sources. They signed a contract prior to landing that everything that was produced would be equally shared. That is socialism. You referring to the Mayflower Compact?
6/26/2017 7:01:05 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 56, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from testsignup: The biggest problem with this, as stated, is that you don't spell out what you mean by "capitalism." Capitalism includes a great deal of activities, both productive and destructive. It isn't a single, unified system of finance at all. Nor is it a form of governance. It doesn't cause anything, it is the RESULT of a collection of human behaviors, some of which are codified into laws, and over a long time, some theorists decided to give the resulting mish mash the name "capitalism." Peoples tend to advance, such as you describe, when they are both protected from external harm, and are unimpeded from forces within their own group. Capitalism does NOT provide for either of those conditions. Unless someone with what you would call SOCIALIST ideals, as in making rules so that ALL may benefit from each other, and all be prevented from damaging each other, the natural human behaviors which fuel capitalist desires for individual profit, inevitably result in abuse, short-term profiteering, pillage, even slavery. That isn't because capitalism CAUSES people to behave that way, it is because people naturally behave that way, and unfettered capitalism ALLOWS them to. what has changed in China last 30 years? Capitalism...look at South Korea and what they have done last 60 years...Capitalism.
6/26/2017 7:06:07 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
progrocknic Mount Arlington, NJ 33, joined Dec. 2012 online now!	Quote from texasproud52: what has changed in China last 30 years? Capitalism...look at South Korea and what they have done last 60 years...Capitalism. You know what South Korea has as well? Universal healthcare. I'll let that bounce around in your head for a while. You can be confused as to whether they are socialist for having such a policy, or that they are capitalist but chose a successful model of government controlled healthcare.
6/26/2017 7:09:10 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
jitssbaby617 Roslindale, MA 38, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from progrocknic: You know what South Korea has as well? Universal healthcare. I'll let that bounce around in your head for a while. You can be confused as to whether they are socialist for having such a policy, or that they are capitalist but chose a successful model of government controlled healthcare. They have 50 million people, no open borders, no immigration, are you brain dead? [Edited 6/26/2017 7:09:54 AM ]
6/26/2017 7:30:11 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
cafe_express Mobile, AL 84, joined Mar. 2013	I talk to veterans everyday. Even a doctor I know from Belgrade. Food lines and expensive if you can get it. Socialism means government restrictions. Even the health care. If you ever saw the series from Netflix called "Doc Martin" it depicts the waiting lines and government restrictions on what doctors can do and the money that is spent on health care. No doctor is going to spend 8 years to go to school if they get paid $250 a week. Seriously. In a completely socialist society, there would be no money. Basic needs such as food, shelter, education and healthcare would be available and provided to everyone, so division of classes based on wealth would not exist. But if America is really turning into a more socialist country, then what do they do when they run out of working people's money? When all the capitalists that create jobs leave the country? We wind up like Venezuela.
6/26/2017 7:57:00 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from mudclean: Check your sources. They signed a contract prior to landing that everything that was produced would be equally shared. That is socialism. And when that failed, the Mayflower pilgrims embraced capitalism. They decided that the only system that would work is for a few lucky people to be awarded ownership of all the fertile land. Of course, those people would do no work at all, but would become the owners of all the food produced by the rest of the people who did all of the work. Then, the lucky capitalist owners turned around and sold for profit the food back to the people who had farmed it all. And they all lived happily ever after.
6/26/2017 8:00:02 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mz_jeannie_baby Rochester, MI 57, joined Sep. 2012	Quote from mudclean: Check your sources. They signed a contract prior to landing that everything that was produced would be equally shared. That is socialism. Pacts are formed among venture capitalists when forming a business to 'share' profits. this is socialism? how so?
6/26/2017 8:03:00 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jitssbaby617: They have 50 million people, no open borders, no immigration, are you brain dead? Apparently, South Korea is pretty clearly the greatest country in the world. It sounds like a right-wing paradise. Well, except for that thing about their capitalists not using the health-care needs of the South Korean people to make themselves rich. I guess we need to divide America up into smaller pieces and then we can have national health-care too.
6/26/2017 8:05:07 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
jitssbaby617 Roslindale, MA 38, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from mz_jeannie_baby: Pacts are formed among venture capitalists when forming a business to 'share' profits. this is socialism? how so? private money? lol omg your dumb
6/26/2017 8:08:06 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jitssbaby617: private money? lol omg your dumb I don't care how many times right-wingers do that, it's still funny.
6/26/2017 8:17:01 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mz_jeannie_baby Rochester, MI 57, joined Sep. 2012	Quote from jitssbaby617: private money? lol omg your dumb I'm probably ignorant on many subjects, true enough. The difference between stupidity and ignorance though is the laziness on a part of a person to educate yourself when you are, ignorant that is. Do you invest in a 401k? The stock market? Is there any relation to a stocks rise and fall based on the number of buyers? hmmm, I'll go study a bit. go on. be the rugged individualist you are. do it all on your own. being dumb might be better than being a confused capitalist.
6/26/2017 8:17:24 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
jitssbaby617 Roslindale, MA 38, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from condor_0000: I don't care how many times right-wingers do that, it's still funny. And still no evidence of a successful socialist area in the world lol
6/26/2017 8:22:11 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mz_jeannie_baby Rochester, MI 57, joined Sep. 2012	Quote from jitssbaby617: And still no evidence of a successful socialist area in the world lol Must everything be considered socialistic? Does it boil down to people doing something 'together' to call it socialist in your book? are your tax dollars pooled to provide you with road repair, or are you living off the grid?
6/26/2017 8:24:24 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010
6/26/2017 8:28:10 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Quote from jitssbaby617: And still no evidence of a successful socialist area in the world lol Of course, that has nothing at all to do with the fact that right-wingers telling someone that "your dumb" is some pretty funny irony. Nowhere in the world does the working-class hold state power. And if the working-class doesn't hold state power, there is no socialism. There is no valid reason what so ever why a tiny gaggle of rich people who do no productive labor themselves getting filthy rich by raping the f**king shit out of all the rest of us would be great for humanity. "Workers of the world, unite!" -- Karl Marx
6/26/2017 9:11:41 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
jitssbaby617 Roslindale, MA 38, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from condor_0000: Of course, that has nothing at all to do with the fact that right-wingers telling someone that "your dumb" is some pretty funny irony. Nowhere in the world does the working-class hold state power. And if the working-class doesn't hold state power, there is no socialism. There is no valid reason what so ever why a tiny gaggle of rich people who do no productive labor themselves getting filthy rich by raping the f**king shit out of all the rest of us would be great for humanity. "Workers of the world, unite!" -- Karl Marx workers of the world unite? to what run out of food? lol
6/26/2017 10:45:28 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
sinceresammy Dayton, OH 62, joined Mar. 2014	I have plenty of snacks!
6/26/2017 11:32:39 AM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
cafe_express Mobile, AL 84, joined Mar. 2013	Quote from louie6332: Mudclean, you ask: "Didn't you Dumbocrats learn the story of the Mayflower in grade school?" No, as you know, they don't teach American history in our public schools anymore. Even as I write, they are trying to erase American history or revise it. Even as I write, they are tearing down Confederate war monuments around the nation. They are having to do some of it at night out of fear that Americans may take offense to what they are doing. And they are rewriting textbooks to erase or downgrade the founding fathers. This is one reason Dumocrats today are dumb. They actually believe what their Marxist professors and teachers are teaching them in school and what the Ministry of Propaganda is telling them on the daily "news" (notice the use of quotes here, yes, I'm rubbing it in a little). Louie They removed 4 statures in Louisiana and 1 in Orlando Florida. Came in the dark of morning with trucks that had their name covered up.
6/26/2017 12:48:32 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
dmolark Chicago, IL 65, joined Jun. 2014	collectives, that should work, with shared seed bins
6/26/2017 12:57:48 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
61falcon New Hope, PA 76, joined Feb. 2008	The so called socialist countries of Sweden,Norway,Denmark and Norway and Iceland have the happiest most content people year after year??
6/26/2017 1:10:09 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 65, joined Oct. 2010	Quote from texasproud52: The answer is obvious...this thread is to weed out the feeble minds. The question was a feeble minded question!
6/26/2017 1:16:20 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
shylywilling Medford, OR 55, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from jitssbaby617: And still no evidence of a successful socialist area in the world lol I do not dare to agree with your ignorant choice of the term socialist so first I clarify the terms. Socialism, is a mitigated stage of private property capitalism. It is the attempt to apply a cure for the inevitable self serving private leverages that inspire and maintain the obviously anguishing failures, depravities, and excesses of inequity. Communism is the common stewardship of resources. No private property exists nor needs to exist in purely communal society. I only know of two attempts at such a society, one is documented as the garden of Eden and it succumbed to the temptation of private property, in attempt to give offspring the advantage of leverage. The other we pretend well enough to give you a clue of what it should, could, and would be like, without the evil selfish inspirations private property dividing us. The supposed family unit.
6/26/2017 3:41:10 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 56, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from fishnthec: The question was a feeble minded question! That you cannot answer... [Edited 6/26/2017 3:41:38 PM ]
6/26/2017 3:44:37 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 62, joined Dec. 2014	America is the only country where the poor people are fat.
6/26/2017 3:51:06 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	Hey, right-wing capitalism-lovers! Should we feed all the "losers" who will have lost their jobs once capitalists have employed robots and artificial intelligence to take over almost all of the labor, leaving billions of people unemployed with no hope for the future? Should we substantially increase taxes on rich people to pay for food for those people, or should we just let the "losers" f**king starve? [Edited 6/26/2017 3:51:41 PM ]
6/26/2017 3:56:31 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mz_jeannie_baby Rochester, MI 57, joined Sep. 2012	Quote from 61falcon: The so called socialist countries of Sweden,Norway,Denmark and Norway and Iceland have the happiest most content people year after year?? The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6] Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[7] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[8] Each of the Nordic countries has its own economic and social models, sometimes with large differences from its neighbours.[9] According to sociologist Lane Kenworthy, in the context of the Nordic model, "social democracy" refers to a set of policies for promoting economic security and opportunity *within the framework of capitalism rather than a system to replace capitalism*.[10]........................wiki somewhere in between
6/26/2017 3:58:23 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
mz_jeannie_baby Rochester, MI 57, joined Sep. 2012	Quote from shylywilling: Most if not virtually all have been misled regarding just exactly what the two economic choices are. There exists only two kinds, a system of private property resource management, Capitalism, and NO private property, or community owned and managed resource system, Communism. Currently the global resource distribution is a private property based capitalism and the resources currently reside at about 90% owned and in control of just one percent of the global population leaving only the remaining 10 % global resources available to be competed for by 99 % of the population. Imagine a football team that only allows the elite wealthy quarterback to keep the ball, every play, every game. We are pathetically retarded by this depravation of our talent. Imagine a petree dish with ten cells in a group. Only one cell is the recipient of all the resources available after the bare minimum needed to sustain the enslavement of the other nine cells survival. Such an entity would not survive long in this diverse universe and this is the model of why we are naturally inclined to form communiy, endeavor to create civilizations. The single most compelling reason for a nation is to protect and nurture the most feeble and vulnerable of our species, (peatree dish). The second is to take advantage of the efficiencies of economies of scale. Profit is derived from opportunity. Someone else's. It is enslavement. Private property capitalism is the "forbidden fruit" and is the enemy of state. I have been given unto a parable to share. We have 20 racers that split into two separate groups for ten-lap timed qualifying races. The ten in group-A beat and bang their way all the way to the checker flag and some may not even make it while even the winner has been damaged and progress and performance slowed. Group-B runs nose to tail like a freight train right to and beyond the checker. Not even a scratch at the finish on any of the ten competitors in group-B. The winner of Group A has a slower qualifying time/speed then even the last place competitor in the unblemished cooperatively aerodynamically advantaged group B. Group-A displayed Laissez faire capitalism and raced only for personal victory at all cost even at a personal risk sustained damage in effort to beat and or eliminate competitors. Group-B displayed the democratic Christian communist principle. One for all and all for one. The entire group-B outperformed even the winner of group-A. The entire group of capitalists do not qualify in the top ten performers. All ten democratic communists survive and thrive. Cast of Characters Group A: (Embryo of gods) 1st place through 9th place.....The elite one percenters. They start up front in the newest and most advanced proven equipment and are virtually unchallenged the entire race. Includes some passengers which otherwise would not be in this group. Senior public and corporate administrative executives. The Vatican. 10th place......The other ninety nine percent of the population. Various stages of upper middle economic classes, surplus labor, economically disenfranchised and physically disadvantaged classes. The enslaved classes. Many in this group have no idea that they are limited to at best the front seat of the last car by the deliberate intentions and leverages of the one percent advantaged. Many have been tricked into believing that they are unfairly limited by and supporting their fellow enslaved passengers in the back seat instead of the one percent. Nobody in this car can enjoy the ride as it is a constant uncivil battle to just maintain a seat in hopes of an enjoyable ride. Group B: (Infant of LORD God) Equal citizens of civilization. Mature, evolved, and survived. Complete nutso. You never take away private property. EVER!~
6/26/2017 4:01:50 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
condor_0000 Tampa, FL 59, joined Feb. 2013	There's no "Nordic model" coming to the rescue of the global working-class. ------------------ 200,000 jobs threatened by Norway oil industry crisis By Ellis Wynne 24 March 2016 World Socialist Web Site https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/03/24/norw-m24.html Excerpt: The plunge in the price of oil since 2014 has exposed the full extent of the Norwegian economy’s dependence on oil and gas. In response, the Norwegian bourgeoisie, like ruling elites worldwide, are seeking to roll back the social position of the working class. Norwegian capital is seeking to create a “life after oil” by developing existing industries and financial services. However, such a solution to its problems is a pipe dream. In 2014, 1,904,000 barrels of oil per day (BPD) were extracted from Norwegian oil fields and Karl Eirik Schjoett, director general of Norwegian Oil and Gas Association stressed, “It is impossible to replace oil”. He pointed out that “before the oil industry the GDP per inhabitant of Norway was 40 percent lower than that of Sweden. Now it is 65 percent higher. That is down to oil.” A recent estimate calculated that GDP per man-year in the oil and gas industry amounts to 10 million kroner. In the fishing industry, GDP is 1.7 million kroner per man-year and in shipping 1.3 million. The GDP in industry as a whole is only 0.9 million kroner per man-year and in agriculture and forestry a mere 0.5 million per man-year. Schjoett showed one of the sectors considered the “new oil industry”—fishing—recorded a record export of just 75 billion kroner ($8 billion) in 2015. The oil and gas industries exported 450 billion kroner ($49 billion). The ruling elite of Norway now insists that relatively high wages in the oil industry are slashed as the spearhead of a cut in wages for all workers. As far back as August 2012, at the height of the oil boom, Steinar Stroem, a Norwegian professor of economics at the University of Turin, opined in an interview with Stavanger Aftenblad, “A lower salary level in the oil and gas industry can help other industries outside the oil industry which will be needed when the oil runs out. This means that employees receive a smaller share of the wealth but it will be better for society as a whole.” Stroem’s call to rob the working class has become the common position of the financial elite and their ideologues following the crash in oil prices. Typical is an article which appeared in Canada’s National Post (October 2014), “World’s best paid oil-workers expose Norway to crude price crash.” Norway, the article stated, had the oil industry’s highest labour costs with the average offshore worker’s earning $179,000 in 2013: “Norway has already been coping with 13 years of production declines from its ageing North Sea oil fields and reduced revenues will imperil further developments to replace oil.” Statoil, the state-owned oil company which controls 60 percent of the total production on the Norwegian continental shelf, has lost more than 20 percent of its value in the past year. It has had to borrow and sell assets to cover dividend payments so three new projects it was leading were already deemed to be at risk. The National Post bemoaned the “ high wage culture” in the offshore industry, which “meant that workers earned almost twice as much as in the neighbouring UK.” Sten Lier Larsen, head of the Norwegian Federation of Industry, stated, “We’ve incurred a general cost level on the Norwegian shelf that can prove very dangerous. We have extremely higher wages than others.” A Reuters article earlier that year headlined, “ End of Oil Boom Threatens Norway’s Welfare Model,” baldly stated that the end of the oil boom had “exposed an economy unprepared for life after oil and threatened the viability of the world’s most generous welfare model.” The article warned, “High spending within the sector has pushed up wages to unsustainable levels not just for oil and gas but for all sectors and that is now acting as a drag on further energy investment. Norwegian firms outside oil have struggled to pick up the slack in what has been for at least a decade almost a single track economy.” In 2015, the crisis deepened with the price of oil in the winter hovering around $30 a barrel. For the first time the Norwegian government was forced to dip into its Sovereign Wealth Fund, now valued at $860 billion, to balance the state budget. In November last year, the English language Nordic Page reported that the consulting agencies, Menon Business Economics and DNV, had forecast in a report, commissioned by a cooperative organization for the oil industry, that up to 200,000 full-time jobs may disappear in Norway because of the downturn. By January 2016, according to the investors’ journal Zero Hedge, every Norwegian oil field was operating at a loss. At present, according to the Research Institute at Stavanger, there are 330,000 jobs related to the petroleum industry in Norway. In early 2015, unemployment rose to above 4 percent (high by Norwegian standards) and prospects are bleak. Continuing losses on the state oil fund are serving to drive cuts to the government’s budget. Earlier this year, the Conservatives/Progress Party coalition set up a productivity commission headed by Joern Rattsoe, professor of economics at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology, to investigate how the Norwegian economy could be “remodeled”. The commission affirmed that the Norwegian mainland economy (excluding oil, gas and shipping) had grown at an annual average of 3 percent between 1996 and 2005, but from 2006 average annual growth was a mere 0.8 percent. The message delivered was clear, and is one familiar to workers throughout Europe. All growth in the Norwegian economy could be throttled by a steep rise in the number of pensioners, lower oil prices and a “swollen public sector.” What was needed was “creative destruction” in the public sector, it advised. The government and corporations are working hand in glove with the trade unions to reduce workers’ wages and living standards. Joern Eggum, president of the United Federation of Trade unions (Fellesforbundet), the largest trade union in the private sector, and Stein Lier Larsen, head of the Norwegian Federation of Industry, are agreed that any wage increases to be negotiated between the trade unions and employers should be low. Larson summed up the aim of the ruling elite, telling Stavanger Aftenblad on January 28, “If jobs are to be saved we must reach a wage settlement of a kind not seen since the 1930s.” He warned, “There is only one figure that fits in the year’s wage settlement and that is nil.”
6/26/2017 4:10:07 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 56, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from Yasureoktoo: America is the only country where the poor people are fat. capitalism...
6/26/2017 4:11:17 PM	“Under what economic system is there more food available to more peopl
texasproud52 Dallas, TX 56, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from condor_0000: Hey, right-wing capitalism-lovers! Should we feed all the "losers" who will have lost their jobs once capitalists have employed robots and artificial intelligence to take over almost all of the labor, leaving billions of people unemployed with no hope for the future? Should we substantially increase taxes on rich people to pay for food for those people, or should we just let the "losers" f**king starve? you will starve... [Edited 6/26/2017 4:11:33 PM ]

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