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7/29/2017 3:21:14 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
criminal_1
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Fuk the Fed.

Central Banking is a rich man's con.



http://liberty-tree.ca/research/Billions.for.the.Bankers





We shall start with the need for money. The Federal Government, having spent more than it has taken from its citizens in taxes, needs, for the sake of illustration, $1,000,000,000. Since it does not have the money, and Congress has given away its authority to "create" it, the Government must go to the "creators" for the $1 billion.

But, the Federal Reserve, a private corporation, does not just give its money away! The Bankers are willing to deliver $1,000,000,000 in money or credit to the Federal Government in exchange for the government's agreement to pay it back -- with interest. So Congress authorizes the Treasury Department to print $1,000,000,000 in U.S. Bonds, which are then delivered to the Federal Reserve Bankers.

The Federal Reserve then pays the cost of printing the $1 billion (about $1,000) and makes the exchange. The government then uses the money to pay its obligations. What are the results of this fantastic transaction? Well, $1 billion in government bills are paid all right, but the Government has now indebted the people to the bankers for $1 billion on which the people must pay interest!

Tens of thousands of such transactions have taken place since 1913 so that in 1996, the U.S. Government is indebted to the Bankers for more than $5,000,000,000,000 (trillion). Most of the income taxes that we pay as individuals now goes straight into the hands of the bankers, just to pay off the interest alone, with no hope of ever paying off the principle. Our children will be forced into servitude.

But wait! There's more!

You say, "This is terrible!" Yes, it is, but we have shown only part of the sordid story. Under this unholy system, those United States Bonds have now become "assets" of the banks in the Reserve System which they then use as "reserves" to "create" more "credit" to lend. Current "reserve" requirements allow them to use that $1 billion in bonds to "create" as much as $15 billion in new "credit" to lend to states, municipalities, to individuals and businesses.

Added to the original $1 billion, they could have $16 billion of "created credit" out in loans paying them interest with their only cost being $1,000 for printing the original $1 billion! Since the U.S. Congress has not issued Constitutional money since 1863 (more than 100 years), in order for the people to have money to carry on trade and commerce they are forced to borrow the "created credit" of the Monopoly bankers and pay them usury-interest!













The word here is created.



[Edited 7/29/2017 3:24:38 PM ]

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7/29/2017 3:40:46 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

testsignup
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Quote from xman379:
Why is the United States note no longer printed?

According to the treaury dept.'s website, the U.S. note & Federal Reserve note have the SAME value.

There MUST be SOME reason WHY Federal Reserve notes are preferred over U.S. notes. What is it? Is there some BENEFIT that the Federal Reserve note provides that the U.S. note does not?


I haven't seen anything listed in my short search. Currency has been redesigned a number of times here.

From the tone of your queries, I am guessing you see, or think you see one of the common paranoid conspiracy theories about all the shifts. There's no evidence to support those ideas. All of them assume (often without saying so) that the source of the "plot" is some hidden cabal of sneaky people. If there is such a group, they are incredibly sloppy, and have changed goals dozens of times, because nothing matches up over time with any of them.

What HAS changed many times, is the circumstances the United States has found itself in. A gold-based economy was tried. It screwed things up. A silver based economy was tried. It screwed things up. We had a civil war and a near dismemberment of the union several times before, some of those due to problems with whatever currency or coinage was in use (note that anyone who tells you everything was wonderful when we used only precious metal based systems, is either lying or intentionally ignorant of the past). We even tried having each state with it's own currency, and we tried having citizens being able to turn metal they found into coin of the realm. All of that was problematic.

Now we have this particular paper currency. It is NOT connected to anything secret, it is simply valuable according to how well the United States is doing, especially when it comes to paying it's bills.

If you are insistent on believing in conspiracies which you can't prove (if you could, they would have been unmasked long before you or I were born), there's really no point in having a discussion, since all conspiracy believers simply reject any facts that don't please them, and buy into any lies, fantasies or misinterpretations of legislation which appeals to them.

I only support facts and logical analysis of those facts.



[Edited 7/29/2017 3:42:38 PM ]

7/29/2017 3:58:30 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

xman379
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Quote from testsignup:
I haven't seen anything listed in my short search. Currency has been redesigned a number of times here.

From the tone of your queries, I am guessing you see, or think you see one of the common paranoid conspiracy theories about all the shifts. There's no evidence to support those ideas. All of them assume (often without saying so) that the source of the "plot" is some hidden cabal of sneaky people. If there is such a group, they are incredibly sloppy, and have changed goals dozens of times, because nothing matches up over time with any of them.

What HAS changed many times, is the circumstances the United States has found itself in. A gold-based economy was tried. It screwed things up. A silver based economy was tried. It screwed things up. We had a civil war and a near dismemberment of the union several times before, some of those due to problems with whatever currency or coinage was in use (note that anyone who tells you everything was wonderful when we used only precious metal based systems, is either lying or intentionally ignorant of the past). We even tried having each state with it's own currency, and we tried having citizens being able to turn metal they found into coin of the realm. All of that was problematic.

Now we have this particular paper currency. It is NOT connected to anything secret, it is simply valuable according to how well the United States is doing, especially when it comes to paying it's bills.

If you are insistent on believing in conspiracies which you can't prove (if you could, they would have been unmasked long before you or I were born), there's really no point in having a discussion, since all conspiracy believers simply reject any facts that don't please them, and buy into any lies, fantasies or misinterpretations of legislation which appeals to them.

I only support facts and logical analysis of those facts.


No offense, but none of that answers my very simple questions.

Why is the U.S. note no longer printed, since it has the SAME value as the Federal Reserve note?

Is there some benefit that the Federal Reserve note provides that the U.S. note does not?

If you do NOT know the answer to those questions, simply say so.

Unfortunately, NO person knows EVERYTHING, so we must ALL resort to BELIEF sometimes.

England was built on the tally system, which was in use for over 700 years, making it the most successful form of currency in history, so I find it difficult to accept that the system currently in place is the best, especially when it has already failed several times at preventing what it was allegedly created to prevent.

I simply want straightforward answers to simple questions.



[Edited 7/29/2017 3:59:31 PM ]

7/29/2017 6:25:11 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

louie6332
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Excellent question Xman, and excellent response to a non-answer.

Louie

7/29/2017 7:40:43 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Can't wait for the Federal Reserve to start shrinking the size of its balance sheet, thus, return their Treasury's to the market......I'll be laughing at the "free money" believers.

Here's a hint;


Rates rise on US Treasury bills to highest since late 2008

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2017/Rates-on-US-Treasury-bills-at-weekly-auction-to-highest-levels-in-more-than-8-years/id-4c7eb26e8d5a45bfb4d1c67950b147a1

7/29/2017 7:50:27 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

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Quote from testsignup:
Too simple a question. One thing is historical truth: before we had a Federal Reserve system, the financial sector of the US was in such insane tumult all the time, the actual survival of the country was often in doubt. So, though I can find flaws in any element of the US government and it's non governmental tools, I oppose the people who want to blindly do away with them.

I have not come across anyone anywhere, who strongly opposes the existence of the Federal reserve, who EITHER actually understood it's real functions, OR who wasn't a paranoid basket case nut job.

They do occasionally find some deluded people who are fans of so-called free-market capitalism, who are willing to at least pretend to eagerly join in, in exchange for support for doing away with various other intelligent laws.


I agree with this, for the most part. We no longer have the bank panics and boom and bust cycles, with a depression every twenty years or so that we once had (part of the credit should go to the FDIC, a program I strongly support).

If central banks are so terrible why does every country in the world, save four or five, have one?

7/30/2017 5:40:52 AM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
criminal_1
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The fractional banking system.

When you lend out more than you have.



[Edited 7/30/2017 5:41:17 AM ]

7/30/2017 6:28:48 AM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
Can't wait for the Federal Reserve to start shrinking the size of its balance sheet, thus, return their Treasury's to the market......I'll be laughing at the "free money" believers.

Here's a hint;


Rates rise on US Treasury bills to highest since late 2008

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2017/Rates-on-US-Treasury-bills-at-weekly-auction-to-highest-levels-in-more-than-8-years/id-4c7eb26e8d5a45bfb4d1c67950b147a1


Another moronic opinion based of ignorance of economic realities.

Canadians are expected to keep piling on more debt, even in the face of a long-anticipated increase in interest rates, taking household financial vulnerability to levels never seen before, a new report from the Parliamentary Budget Office says.

Household indebtedness hit 174 per cent in the first quarter of 2017, according to the PBO. That means Canadian households owed $174 for every $100 in disposable income.

7/30/2017 6:41:04 AM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
barrydalmi
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Its complicated. I think very little in life is purely linear and "good" or "bad" without any nuance. I'm not a finance or economics expert so I won't try to delve into why I would say it (like everything else) is likely a mixed bag. I would say that there are always winners and losers in economic transactions/systems. The losing side will always have a different view than those who win.

7/30/2017 8:36:29 AM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
criminal_1
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According to a study of 775 fiat currencies by DollarDaze.org, there is no historical precedence for a fiat currency that has succeeded in holding its value. Twenty percent failed through hyperinflation, 21% were destroyed by war, 12% destroyed by independence, 24% were monetarily reformed, and 23% are still in circulation approaching one of the other outcomes.




The average life expectancy for a fiat currency is 27 years, with the shortest life span being one month. Founded in 1694, the British pound Sterling is the oldest fiat currency in existence. At a ripe old age of 317 years it must be considered a highly successful fiat currency. However, success is relative. The British pound was defined as 12 ounces of silver, so it's worth less than 1/200 or 0.5% of its original value. In other words, the most successful long standing currency in existence has lost 99.5% of its value.

Given the undeniable track record of currencies, it is clear that on a long enough timeline the survival rate of all fiat currencies drops to zero.

7/30/2017 10:39:17 AM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

testsignup
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Quote from xman379:
No offense, but none of that answers my very simple questions.

Why is the U.S. note no longer printed, since it has the SAME value as the Federal Reserve note?

Is there some benefit that the Federal Reserve note provides that the U.S. note does not?

If you do NOT know the answer to those questions, simply say so.

Unfortunately, NO person knows EVERYTHING, so we must ALL resort to BELIEF sometimes.

England was built on the tally system, which was in use for over 700 years, making it the most successful form of currency in history, so I find it difficult to accept that the system currently in place is the best, especially when it has already failed several times at preventing what it was allegedly created to prevent.

I simply want straightforward answers to simple questions.


I guess you aren't willing to do even simple investigation yourself, and want to pretend that wild stories are true, because you wont do any work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Note

That's a link to a RELATIVELY short description of a LOT of the nonsense that the United States went through before we finally decided to go with what we have now. It includes the answer to your "simple" questions, though of course, your questions would be better described as OVER simplifications.

Read up. It supports what I already told you.

7/30/2017 10:48:45 AM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
drwookie
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Quote from criminal_1:
According to a study of 775 fiat currencies by DollarDaze.org, there is no historical precedence for a fiat currency that has succeeded in holding its value. Twenty percent failed through hyperinflation, 21% were destroyed by war, 12% destroyed by independence, 24% were monetarily reformed, and 23% are still in circulation approaching one of the other outcomes.




The average life expectancy for a fiat currency is 27 years, with the shortest life span being one month. Founded in 1694, the British pound Sterling is the oldest fiat currency in existence. At a ripe old age of 317 years it must be considered a highly successful fiat currency. However, success is relative. The British pound was defined as 12 ounces of silver, so it's worth less than 1/200 or 0.5% of its original value. In other words, the most successful long standing currency in existence has lost 99.5% of its value.

Given the undeniable track record of currencies, it is clear that on a long enough timeline the survival rate of all fiat currencies drops to zero.


There is no such organization called dollardaze.org.
You're obviously hallucinating and need medical help before actually trying to get educated in finance.
Didn't your mom teach you that your d*ck will break off while trying to shove it up your own ass?

7/30/2017 12:19:02 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from drwookie:
Another moronic opinion based of ignorance of economic realities.

Canadians are expected to keep piling on more debt, even in the face of a long-anticipated increase in interest rates, taking household financial vulnerability to levels never seen before, a new report from the Parliamentary Budget Office says.

Household indebtedness hit 174 per cent in the first quarter of 2017, according to the PBO. That means Canadian households owed $174 for every $100 in disposable income.


So, you want to talk about Household indebtedness, the good, the bad, and the ugly?

Do you know the main reason why Canada's household debt is much higher than the U.S.?

Well, the main reason is Canada's homeownership rate is currently near 70%, whereas the U.S., it's currently at 64%, and there has been a drastic increase in equity loans.

Another reason why Canada's household debt is much higher than the U.S. is due to the fact UNCLE SAM drastically reduced your household debt through several debt forgiveness programs.

Also, for many years, the U.S. had the leading number of bankruptcies among OECD countries.

And for your info, the doom and gloom of Canada's record household debt are based on a severe economic downturn scenario.

Last, the credit ratings of Canada's largest banks are still higher than most American banks.





[Edited 7/30/2017 12:19:23 PM ]

7/30/2017 12:55:20 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

louie6332
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When you have precious metal coinage as money, which is what the Constitution authorizes the Federal Government to do, each piece of money has an intrinsic value of its own in the precious metals it contains. When you use paper money instead, you run into peculiar problems. For one, if the paper money is backed by precious metals and is being used as a stand in for actual precious metal coins, then you have to make sure you don’t have more bills in circulation than you have precious metals to back them up, and so a periodic inventory of bills in circulation is required. If you do have more in circulation than backing, then you are partially insolvent, although that fact may not be discovered for a while. And even if you have fiat bills that are backed by nothing of intrinsic value, you have to make sure you have just enough in circulation to take care of purchases of goods and services otherwise it can cause inflation or deflation. It’s a balancing act that requires continual vigilance. It sets you up for boom and burst cycles. And that is exactly what we have witnessed over the roughly past century of the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve actually wants inflation, because inflation is a hidden tax on everyone who holds FED bills. There's a story to be told here from the Clinton administration, but I won't get into it here, except to say that during that time the idea was floated to print FED notes that would automatically devalue themselves each year, but that idea went over like a lead balloon.

Lud, you say: “We no longer have the bank panics and boom and bust cycles, with a depression every twenty years or so that we once had”

Lud, you are under the impression that we have had no boom and bust cycles since the establishment of the Federal Reserve, but that is false. In fact, we were in a very severe depression under President Obama (where were you during those days, didn't you notice the continual increase in the cost of food for example, and weren't you aware of the huge bailout of Central banks at the expense of taxpayers?). Under President Trump business and consumer confidence has skyrocketed and things are looking better.

But be warned that our fiat monetary system and credit economy is still just smoke and mirrors, a house of cards just waiting to collapse. The FED has been pumping trillions of dollars into the stock market over the past several years to inflate stock prices to artificial levels in an effort to make the economy look better than it really is (The FED can afford to do this, since they can print unlimited amounts of money with no backing). The fundamentals do NOT support the prices of stock today, they are artificially high. And that’s a bubble, and bubbles, as they invariably do, burst. Incidentally, although he don't hear much about this right now, a bubble is forming once again in the housing market, because of housing loans to those who do not have the income to buy homes.

Note: the FED no longer even has to print paper money, it just creates trillions by issuing credit electronically, without having to print paper.

Lud, the FED has done far more harm than good to our economy, and I will get to that shortly. You will be horrified.

Louie

7/30/2017 1:24:07 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
drwookie
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
So, you want to talk about Household indebtedness, the good, the bad, and the ugly?

Do you know the main reason why Canada's household debt is much higher than the U.S.?

Well, the main reason is Canada's homeownership rate is currently near 70%, whereas the U.S., it's currently at 64%, and there has been a drastic increase in equity loans.

Another reason why Canada's household debt is much higher than the U.S. is due to the fact UNCLE SAM drastically reduced your household debt through several debt forgiveness programs.

Also, for many years, the U.S. had the leading number of bankruptcies among OECD countries.

And for your info, the doom and gloom of Canada's record household debt are based on a severe economic downturn scenario.

Last, the credit ratings of Canada's largest banks are still higher than most American banks.



Wrong as usual!

May 10 2017

Moody’s Investors Service downgraded the credit ratings of the Big Six banks late Wednesday reflecting “expectation of a more challenging operating environment for banks in Canada for the remainder of 2017 and beyond, that could lead to a deterioration in the banks’ asset quality, and increase their sensitivity to external shocks.”

7/30/2017 1:39:30 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

xman379
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Quote from testsignup:
I guess you aren't willing to do even simple investigation yourself, and want to pretend that wild stories are true, because you wont do any work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Note

That's a link to a RELATIVELY short description of a LOT of the nonsense that the United States went through before we finally decided to go with what we have now. It includes the answer to your "simple" questions, though of course, your questions would be better described as OVER simplifications.

Read up. It supports what I already told you.


I've seen that Wikipedia article and the funny thing is

1. It gives no actual answer as to WHY the decision was made to stop printing United States notes, other than that by 1968, they were virtually indistinguishable to the general public from Federal Reserve notes.

2. The differences between the 2 notes given in the article actually differs slightly from that given on the actual Treasury department website page cited as the reference.

The Wikipedia article states:

"The difference between a United States Note and a Federal Reserve Note is that a United States Note represented a "bill of credit" and was inserted by the Treasury directly into circulation free of interest."

The reference cited is

www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx

and states:

"Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971."

Nowhere on that page are there any actual answers to the questions I asked, well, there are 2 answers given for the first question I asked, which is

"WHY the United States note is no longer printed?", but there is no explanation on the preference to the Federal Reserve note, which is the basis of my 2nd question

"Is there a benefit that the Federal Reserve note offers/provides that the United States note does not?"

So there seems to be no CLEAR answer to my previous questions.

7/30/2017 2:00:25 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from drwookie:
Wrong as usual!

May 10 2017

Moody’s Investors Service downgraded the credit ratings of the Big Six banks late Wednesday reflecting “expectation of a more challenging operating environment for banks in Canada for the remainder of 2017 and beyond, that could lead to a deterioration in the banks’ asset quality, and increase their sensitivity to external shocks.”


COULD, COULD, COULD

AND

High consumer debt a concern

"Continued growth in Canadian consumer debt and elevated housing prices leaves consumers, and Canadian banks, more vulnerable to downside risks facing the Canadian economy than in the past."

More vulnerable to downside risks
More vulnerable to downside risks

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/moodys-banks-1.4109847


LAST AND MOST IMPORTANT.....CANADA'S CREDIT RATINGS OF OUR LARGEST BANKS ARE STILL HIGHER THAN MOST AMERICAN BANKS.

If I was you wookie, I would be more worried about North Korea than the credit ratings of Canada's banks.

7/30/2017 2:09:26 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

louie6332
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The EU banking system in the EU is insolvent: see the link:

https://www.prisonplanet.com/its-your-money-but-you-cant-have-it-eu-proposes-account-freezes-to-halt-bank-runs.html

The EU central banks are insolvent and are plotting to freeze accounts as a bail in strategy (vs a bale out strategy). Central banks elsewhere are also in trouble. And you see what is happening in Venezuela--total economic collapse, currency collapse, hyperinflation starvation, riots in the streets, great depression. This will spread. The Central banking system is a house of cards just waiting to collapse. The banks her in America are also planning for bails in, they have already been talking to their member banks about this.

Look, you who believe the Federal Reserve Banking system is the answer to all your problems, I ask you: "Why are central bankers committing "suicide" by jumping out of high rise windows?" All is not well in the Federal Reserve Central Banking System. Something is wrong, terribly wrong. They have engaged in reckless leveraging of investments--insanity. The Central banks are insolvent, and when they collapse, the economies of the world will collapse with them, one right after the other like a row of dominoes falling over. It's nothing but smoke and mirrors.

President Trump needs to bankrupt the FED dept and get us out from under the Federal Reserve System and return the Federal Government to coining its own money. The Central Banking situation around the world is much, much worse that people today think it is. It's a house of cards just waiting to collapse.

Louie

7/30/2017 2:11:27 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
criminal_1
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Quote from drwookie:
There is no such organization called dollardaze.org.
You're obviously hallucinating and need medical help before actually trying to get educated in finance.
Didn't your mom teach you that your d*ck will break off while trying to shove it up your own ass?


Here ya go dipshit. Now kiss my a** punk.


http://archive.is/CDnLu



[Edited 7/30/2017 2:11:49 PM ]

7/30/2017 2:20:02 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
drwookie
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Quote from criminal_1:
Here ya go dipshit. Now kiss my a** punk.


http://archive.is/CDnLu


That's an archive of a bullshit site that no longer exists. Probably because the financial "wizard" that created it couldn't afford to keep it live.

There is no organization called dollardaze moron!

7/30/2017 2:27:26 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

testsignup
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Quote from xman379:
I've seen that Wikipedia article and the funny thing is

1. It gives no actual answer as to WHY the decision was made to stop printing United States notes, other than that by 1968, they were virtually indistinguishable to the general public from Federal Reserve notes.

2. The differences between the 2 notes given in the article actually differs slightly from that given on the actual Treasury department website page cited as the reference.

The Wikipedia article states:

"The difference between a United States Note and a Federal Reserve Note is that a United States Note represented a "bill of credit" and was inserted by the Treasury directly into circulation free of interest."

The reference cited is

www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx

and states:

"Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971."

Nowhere on that page are there any actual answers to the questions I asked, well, there are 2 answers given for the first question I asked, which is

"WHY the United States note is no longer printed?", but there is no explanation on the preference to the Federal Reserve note, which is the basis of my 2nd question

"Is there a benefit that the Federal Reserve note offers/provides that the United States note does not?"

So there seems to be no CLEAR answer to my previous questions.


If you failed to see the answer to your question, it's because you chose to ignore it. Now. You DO actually have to THINK. The article doesn't have a SINGLE SENTENCE in it, which says "we stopped printing those bills because of x." Instead, it describes a complicated series of events, which made it the right thing to do, to make the change.

Go back and try again, and stop accusing ME of being the one obstructing your understanding.

7/30/2017 2:40:50 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

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Quote from louie6332:
When you have precious metal coinage as money, which is what the Constitution authorizes the Federal Government to do, each piece of money has an intrinsic value of its own in the precious metals it contains. When you use paper money instead, you run into peculiar problems. For one, if the paper money is backed by precious metals and is being used as a stand in for actual precious metal coins, then you have to make sure you don’t have more bills in circulation than you have precious metals to back them up, and so a periodic inventory of bills in circulation is required. If you do have more in circulation than backing, then you are partially insolvent, although that fact may not be discovered for a while. And even if you have fiat bills that are backed by nothing of intrinsic value, you have to make sure you have just enough in circulation to take care of purchases of goods and services otherwise it can cause inflation or deflation. It’s a balancing act that requires continual vigilance. It sets you up for boom and burst cycles. And that is exactly what we have witnessed over the roughly past century of the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve actually wants inflation, because inflation is a hidden tax on everyone who holds FED bills. There's a story to be told here from the Clinton administration, but I won't get into it here, except to say that during that time the idea was floated to print FED notes that would automatically devalue themselves each year, but that idea went over like a lead balloon.

Lud, you say: “We no longer have the bank panics and boom and bust cycles, with a depression every twenty years or so that we once had”

Lud, you are under the impression that we have had no boom and bust cycles since the establishment of the Federal Reserve, but that is false. In fact, we were in a very severe depression under President Obama (where were you during those days, didn't you notice the continual increase in the cost of food for example, and weren't you aware of the huge bailout of Central banks at the expense of taxpayers?). Under President Trump business and consumer confidence has skyrocketed and things are looking better.

But be warned that our fiat monetary system and credit economy is still just smoke and mirrors, a house of cards just waiting to collapse. The FED has been pumping trillions of dollars into the stock market over the past several years to inflate stock prices to artificial levels in an effort to make the economy look better than it really is (The FED can afford to do this, since they can print unlimited amounts of money with no backing). The fundamentals do NOT support the prices of stock today, they are artificially high. And that’s a bubble, and bubbles, as they invariably do, burst. Incidentally, although he don't hear much about this right now, a bubble is forming once again in the housing market, because of housing loans to those who do not have the income to buy homes.

Note: the FED no longer even has to print paper money, it just creates trillions by issuing credit electronically, without having to print paper.

Lud, the FED has done far more harm than good to our economy, and I will get to that shortly. You will be horrified.

Louie


A lot of stuff wrong, and a lot of stuff misinterpreted there, Louie. You ignore the huge problems of using precious metal coins, for one thing. For example, when you DO use metal of the value of the coin, as soon as the value of the metal changes, the value of the coin changes as well. But the holder of the coin wont be able to track that reasonably. Nor will merchants. The day after a new large discovery of the precious metal, everyone's coins made of it will lose value. On the other end of things, something we ran into in more than one way in the US, is that when your coins are made of the precious metal, any foreign country who wants to, can manipulate your currency by how they value that metal.

You also have wrong, that the Fed has to check how much currency is at play, in order to coordinate it with some other item. That's actually another reason why we STOPPED using things like Silver certificates and Gold certificates.

You are right that we have still had some booms and busts with the Fed, but there have been far fewer of such since. That's the point. When there have been such, it hasn't been due to people playing games with currency, or the discovery of new precious metal deposits, it's been due to other factors which the government failed to attend to properly. Such as requiring loan officers to limit the value of money loaned to what it is actually worth. And such as demanding that so-called "derivatives" be traded honestly (i.e. not allow sellers to hide bad paper loans amongst them, and thus be trading nothing for something).

The reason for the last and most dangerous financial mess of our modern times, had nothing at all to do with the Fed printing too much cash. It was entirely caused by PRIVATE FOR PROFIT INSTITUTIONS CREATING VIRTUAL MONEY. That's what a sub-prime loan is, after all. It's the LOAN COMPANY creating unsupported cash.



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testsignup
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I don't see anyone who is refuting the "Fed Is The Devil" crowd, saying that the Federal Reserve System brought us eternal financial euphoria, or that it's without difficulties and flaws. All we're saying is that it's fixed some vary bad problems, and that getting rid of it wouldn't make everything heavenly.

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Quote from drwookie:
That's an archive of a bullshit site that no longer exists. Probably because the financial "wizard" that created it couldn't afford to keep it live.

There is no organization called dollardaze moron!


Not anymore a**hole.

WEb sites come and go.

Doesn't matter where it came from as there are other sites with same info. Moron.

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fishnthec
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At the end of every day, the Feds either debit or credit other feds, depending on who owes who.

Let's say the FRB of New York owes the FRB of Dallas $1.5 million.

All of the FRBs have 2 kinds of cash readily available and on hand- Old bills and fresh new currency.

The FRB in New York will destroy $1.5 million in old bills and FRB Dallas will put $1.5 million Dollars of New currency in a special vault ready for circulation.

As banks take out loans with the Fed, it comes from this special vault.

Where on earth do people get the idea that the fed prints money and throws it out into circulation as if it were counterfeit?

Whatever you guys are smoking- I want some of it!

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fishnthec
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Most people today bank with their bank and never see any currency unless they ATM out a little mad money. You have your paycheck automatically deposited to your bank and it becomes a virtual process as far as you are concerned from that point.

But banks can't do this with their bank- the Federal Reserve Bank!

Banks have to use their cash money when repaying their loans- or securities or Government checks or actual checks (don't see many of those these days)- or postal money orders- or food stamps. All of these gets immediate credit at the Federal Reserve bank, and I do mean immediate as there is no float what-so-ever because the books balance to the penny every day.

I know because I worked the Member Bank desk there for several years during my 10 year tenure there 1970 - 1980! That is what I did was basically balance the books for FRB Dallas every day!

Banks mostly use cash because one of the Feds services to our treasury is to pull out all the counterfeits and old bills and exchange them for new fresh bills.

Banks operate off of cash, so when they take out a loan with the fed, it will be delivered in the form of cash by a proper courier.

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Quote from testsignup:
I don't see anyone who is refuting the "Fed Is The Devil" crowd, saying that the Federal Reserve System brought us eternal financial euphoria, or that it's without difficulties and flaws. All we're saying is that it's fixed some vary bad problems, and that getting rid of it wouldn't make everything heavenly.


testsignup,

I'm not against central banking, but in reference to "containing systemic risk", which is a written responsibility of the Federal Reserve, and according to wookie, also a political responsibility, I say both have been weak at containing the following crisis, thus, they can't be trusted.

savings and loan
dot.com bubble
subprime mortgage

7/30/2017 4:47:15 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
testsignup,

I'm not against central banking, but in reference to "containing systemic risk", which is a written responsibility of the Federal Reserve, and according to wookie, also a political responsibility, I say both have been weak at containing the following crisis, thus, they can't be trusted.

savings and loan
dot.com bubble
subprime mortgage


OK! Let's talk about the Savings and loans. Those entities were never a part of the Federal Reserve system or their responsibility, and therefore not protected by FDIC.

So when those en-tities went tities up- so did the money for all those hard working Farmers.

7/30/2017 4:53:28 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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Savings and Loans was a way to try and run a bank without any regulation or government support.

They were strictly out there on their own and left to their own devices.

But what happens when you don't have regulations?

For those who question this, I just point to the collapse of the Savings and Loans and use them as my best example!

7/30/2017 4:54:08 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
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Quote from criminal_1:
Not anymore a**hole.

WEb sites come and go.

Doesn't matter where it came from as there are other sites with same info. Moron.


Fake websites made by morons that can't afford to keep up the payments go all the time.

And, it does matter where they came from especially when the source is lying.

You'd have more success convincing people as stupid as you to believe your lies.

7/30/2017 4:56:36 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
drwookie
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
testsignup,

I'm not against central banking, but in reference to "containing systemic risk", which is a written responsibility of the Federal Reserve, and according to wookie, also a political responsibility, I say both have been weak at containing the following crisis, thus, they can't be trusted.

savings and loan
dot.com bubble
subprime mortgage


Unless you can quote where I claimed it's a political responsibility your still a lying idiot.

7/30/2017 5:06:22 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from fishnthec:
Savings and Loans was a way to try and run a bank without any regulation or government support.

They were strictly out there on their own and left to their own devices.

But what happens when you don't have regulations?

For those who question this, I just point to the collapse of the Savings and Loans and use them as my best example!


free market system.....lure customers with rates at below the Fed's overnight.

cost to the taxpayers; $140 billion compounded since 1991

7/30/2017 5:08:01 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
criminal_1
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Quote from drwookie:
Fake websites made by morons that can't afford to keep up the payments go all the time.

And, it does matter where they came from especially when the source is lying.

You'd have more success convincing people as stupid as you to believe your lies.


You ARE a f**king idiot.

7/30/2017 5:19:00 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
free market system.....lure customers with rates at below the Fed's overnight.

cost to the taxpayers; $140 billion compounded since 1991


The only thing compounded here is your ignorance. This statement is so full of bullshit, it will take years of education to see how stupid it is.

7/30/2017 5:21:50 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
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Quote from criminal_1:
You ARE a f**king idiot.


Coming from you , it's expected that you got nothing but your own delusions protecting you from accepting you're a loser.

7/30/2017 5:26:22 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
free market system.....lure customers with rates at below the Fed's overnight.

cost to the taxpayers; $140 billion compounded since 1991


I don't blame some people for dealing with Savings and Loans.

Independent farmers for one.

Back During the Regan era, independent farmers were having to borrow money there because they couldn't get any other Conventional loans.

Back in those days, the Federal Reserve Banks had to move towards what they called Seasonal Loans in loaning out money to the smaller banks in smaller communities. Due to the ongoing recession, investment capital had all but dried up. SO, the smaller banks were provided loans by the FRBs during the hard months when farmers weren't making any money and no crops in the field.

So, as a last resort to try and save their farms, and pay their mortgages to the conventional banks, during those months when their banks could not borrow, they borrowed from the unregulated Savings and Loans that were owned by Holding Companies.

And you can see how this vicious cycle finally caught up to itself and reconciled and the Holding Companies went Bankrupt.

They bet the farm and lost the farm to the Corporate farmers which is a whole other story in itself.

7/30/2017 5:35:42 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
COULD, COULD, COULD

AND

High consumer debt a concern

"Continued growth in Canadian consumer debt and elevated housing prices leaves consumers, and Canadian banks, more vulnerable to downside risks facing the Canadian economy than in the past."

More vulnerable to downside risks
More vulnerable to downside risks

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/moodys-banks-1.4109847


LAST AND MOST IMPORTANT.....CANADA'S CREDIT RATINGS OF OUR LARGEST BANKS ARE STILL HIGHER THAN MOST AMERICAN BANKS.

If I was you wookie, I would be more worried about North Korea than the credit ratings of Canada's banks.


If you were me? If you tried to be me you'd still be ignorant!

Comparing MOST American banks to a FEW Canadian banks is a prime example of your stupidity. Not profviding actually ratings of ALL banks is a prime example of your ignorance!

7/30/2017 5:51:00 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from drwookie:
The only thing compounded here is your ignorance. This statement is so full of bullshit, it will take years of education to see how stupid it is.


I repeat, low rates and long term mortgage loans killed them during a period when the feds kept raising their overnight rate. There were other factors, but that's the main one.



[Edited 7/30/2017 5:54:03 PM ]

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fishnthec
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Quote from louie6332:

President Trump needs to bankrupt the FED dept and get us out from under the Federal Reserve System and return the Federal Government to coining its own money. The Central Banking situation around the world is much, much worse that people today think it is. It's a house of cards just waiting to collapse.

Louie


Think about what you are talking about Louie!

Let me just say, that I thought you Republicans want to keep the government out of our lives.

I think you are missing that point when you think about all the services entailed the FRB does for the US Treasury.

Do you actually have any idea how you would expand the US government by eliminating the Fed and suck in all the costs of those services?

Here! Let me give you a little secret. Even if the government decided to no longer contract the fed for all those services, do you really think that the World's largest and richest banking system in the world is just gonna go away? are you thinking young man- I mean drinking?

Banks would continue to do their business as normal with the FRB- They don't give a crap about what the US Treasury does! The banks are going to always go where they can get their money at a discount, and the FRB is the only place where that is ever going to happen!

7/30/2017 6:05:05 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
I repeat, low rates and long term mortgage loans killed them during a period when the feds kept raising their overnight rate. There were other factors, but that's the main one.


Next, dot.com bubble

read

Alan Greenspan "irrational exuberance" speech

7/30/2017 6:16:33 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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I would love to see any other bank in the world try to compete with the Federal Reserve Bank!

I think it would be hilarious to watch them try!

You loony birds need to get a new cause like trying to do away with the IRS or some other totally insane idea!

This thread has got to have the stupidest comments ever witnessed among all other DH threads combined!

Hilarious people! Brilliant!

7/30/2017 6:43:50 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

louie6332
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Here are things you may not know about the Federal Reserve extracted from the article: “Exposing the New World Order” by Michael T. Snider (from link below):

“We are witnessing the transfer of wealth of unfathomable size. It is a transfer of wealth from public hands, from the hands of government, collected from regular people in the form of taxes, into the hands of the wealthiest corporations and individuals in the world [the Illuminati].”

The Federal Reserve has been around for just over a hundred years, and it has done an absolutely abysmal job for the American people.

#9 In 1963, President John F. Kennedy issued Executive Order 11110 which authorized the U.S. Treasury to issue “United States notes” which were created by the U.S. government directly and not by the Federal Reserve. He was assassinated shortly thereafter.
#10 Many of the debt-free United States notes issued under President Kennedy are still in circulation today.
#11 The Federal Reserve determines what levels some of the most important interest rates in our system are going to be set at. In a free market system, the free market would determine those interest rates.
#12 The Federal Reserve has become so powerful that it is now known as “the fourth branch of government“.

“If Congress possessed the power to establish one bank, it has power to establish more than one if in their opinion two or more banks had been necessary, to facilitate the execution of the powers delegated to them by the Constitution…it cannot be necessary or proper for Congress to barter away or divest themselves of any of the powers—vested in them by the Constitution to be exercised by the public good …they may properly use the discretion vested in them, but they may not limit the discretion of their successors. This restriction on themselves and grant of a monopoly to the bank is therefore unconstitutional.” (Andrew Jackson).

The Federal Reserve is a private central bank and is an unconstitutional monopoly.

President Jackson killed the Rothschild Bank and the United States flourished. President Jackson also survived an assassination attempt by the London Banking Mafia.

The greatest period of economic growth in US history was when there was no central bank.

The Rothschild Federal Reserve was designed to be a perpetual debt machine. The Bankers that designed it intended to trap the US Government in a perpetual debt spiral from which it could never possible escape. Since the Federal Reserve was established 100 years ago, the US national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger.

Iceland’s president explains how his country recovered so quickly from the recession: “The Government bailed out the people and imprisoned the Banksters—the opposite of what America and the rest of Europe did.”

A permanent federal income tax, which is also unconstitutional, was established the exact same year that the Federal Reserve was created. This was not a coincidence. In order to pay for all of the government debt that the Federal Reserve would create, a federal income tax was necessary. The whole idea was to transfer wealth from our pockets to the federal government and from the federal government to the [Rothschild] bankers.

#16 The period prior to 1913 (when there was no income tax) was the greatest period of economic growth in U.S. history
#18 From the time that the Federal Reserve was created until now, the U.S. dollar has lost 98 percent of its value.
#19 From the time that President Nixon took us off the gold standard until now, the U.S. dollar has lost 83 percent of its value.
#20 During the 100 years before the Federal Reserve was created, the U.S. economy rarely had any problems with inflation. But since the Federal Reserve was established, the U.S. economy has experienced constant and never ending inflation.
#21 In the century before the Federal Reserve was created, the average annual rate of inflation was about half a percent. In the century since the Federal Reserve was created, the average annual rate of inflation has been about 3.5 percent.
#22 The Federal Reserve has stripped the middle class of trillions of dollars of wealth through the hidden tax of inflation.
#23 The size of M1 has nearly doubled since 2008 thanks to the reckless money printing that the Federal Reserve has been doing. (M1 is the actual “supply” of physical currency. It is not “circulation” which includes “digital fractional” mafia banking. This is why Rothschild/Obama Regime want amnesty for more bodies to “absorb” the excess “supply” so as to dilute The U.S. out, in order to “hide” Rothschild’s Illegal derivatives that were used to abscond America’s wealth.)
#25 The [Rothschild] Federal Reserve has been consistently lying to us about the level of inflation in our economy. If the inflation rate was still calculated the same way that it was back when Jimmy Carter was president, the official rate of inflation would be somewhere between 8 and 10 percent today.
#26 Since the Federal Reserve was created, there have been 18 distinct recessions or depressions: 1918, 1920, 1923, 1926, 1929, 1937, 1945, 1949, 1953, 1958, 1960, 1969, 1973, 1980, 1981, 1990, 2001, 2008.
#27 Within 20 years of the creation of the [Rothschild] Federal Reserve, the U.S. economy was plunged into the Great Depression.
#28 The [Rothschild] Federal Reserve created the conditions that caused the stock market crash of 1929, and even Ben Bernanke admits that the response by the Fed to that crisis made the Great Depression even worse than it should have been.

(continued)

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louie6332
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— Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr’s son Charles Augustus Lindbergh II (February 4, 1902 – August 26, 1974) seems to have suffered retribution for his father’s stand against the Banking Mafia and his own major stance against WWII. On Mar 21, 1932, Lindbergh’s 20 month old son Charles Lindbergh, Jr, was mysteriously kidnapped from his home in New Jersey. The banking cabal goes after hero’s and patriot’s of a said nation state.

#60, in 1913, Congress was promised that if the Federal Reserve Act was passed, it would eliminate the business cycle.

#61 There has never been a true conpresensive audit of the Federal Reserve, since it was created back in 1913 [in fact the FED recently, refusing an audit demand of a Congressman, claimed that if it were audited it would cause a world economic collapse—what do they know that we do not know—could this explain why Wall Street Bankers are jumping out of windows to their deaths?].

#62 The Federal Reserve System has been described as the biggest Ponzi Scheme in the history of the world.
#70 Most people do not understand where money comes from. The truth is that the Federal Reserve just creates it out of thin air. [When it is backed by nothing of intrinsic value, you can do this].

Then they loan it at interest to the Federal Government. So where will the U.S. government get the money to pay that interest debt? Well, the theory is that we can get money to circulate through the economy really, really fast and tax it at a high enough rate that the government will be able to collect enough taxes to pay the debt. But that never actually happens, does it? And the creators of the [Rothschild] Federal Reserve understood this as well. They understood that the U.S. government would not have enough money to both run the government and service the national debt. They knew that the U.S. government would have to keep borrowing even more money in an attempt to keep up with the game.

#72 Of course the U.S. government could actually create money and spend it directly into the economy without the Federal Reserve being involved at all. But then we wouldn’t be 17 trillion dollars in debt and that wouldn’t serve the interests of the bankers at all.

#74 The United States now has the largest national debt in the history of the world, and we are stealing roughly 100 million dollars from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day in a desperate attempt to keep the debt spiral going.

#75 Thomas Jefferson once stated that if he could add just one more amendment to the U.S. Constitution it would be a ban on all government borrowing…

#76 At this moment, the U.S. national debt is sitting at $18,141,409,083,212.36. If we had followed the advice of Thomas Jefferson, it would be sitting at zero
#78 We are on pace to accumulate more new debt under the 8 years of the Obama administration than we did under all of the other presidents in all of U.S. history combined.
#88 In addition to all of our debt, the U.S. government has also accumulated more than 200 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities. So where in the world will all of that money come from?
#92 Most Americans have no idea that one of our most famous presidents was absolutely obsessed with getting rid of central banking in the United States. The following is a February 1834 quote by President Andrew Jackson about the evils of central banking…
I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country.
When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the Bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the Bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families.
That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin!
Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin!
You are a den of vipers and thieves.
I have determined to rout you out and, by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out.
AND HE DID!
BUT ROTHSCHILD MACHINATIONS CAME BACK IN 1913.


#95 The borrower is the servant of the lender, and the Federal Reserve has turned all of us into debt slaves.
#96 Debt is a form of social control, and the global elite use all of this debt to dominate all the rest of us. 40 years ago, the total amount of debt in our system (all government debt, all business debt, all consumer debt, etc.) was sitting at about 2 trillion dollars. Today, the grand total exceeds 56 trillion dollars.
#97 Unless something dramatic is done, our children and our grandchildren will be debt slaves for their entire lives as they service our debts and pay for our mistakes.
#98 Now that you know this information, you are responsible for doing something about it.
#99 Congress has the power to shut down the Federal Reserve any time that it would like. But right now most of our politicians fully endorse the current system, and nothing is ever going to happen until the American people start demanding change.
#100 The design of the Federal Reserve system was flawed from the very beginning. If something is not done very rapidly, it is inevitable that our entire financial system is going to suffer an absolutely nightmarish collapse.
Quoted from the list by Michael T. Snyder, a graduate of the University of Florida law school and he worked as an attorney in the heart of Washington D.C. for a number of years.
See the link: https://politicalvelcraft.org/2015/02/25/exposing-the-new-world-order-the-charles-lindbergh-retribution/

Those who read these points will never again believe that the US is better off with the FED. Note that th4e Illuminati had infiltrated the US government around the beginning of the twentieth century, and they now have a stranglehold on all levers of power in authority in the US Government today. And they are robbing us blind. President Trump need to get rid of the FED. American cannot never be great again till that is done.

Note: this completes this post, but the best is still yet to come. The FED has been engaged in a massive robbery of American wealth, you won’t believe it.

Louie

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fishnthec
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Louie if the deficit has you worried at 75, you may want to just let your grand kids worry about it and save the wear and tear.

The US has got us dangerously close to owing too much money- More money than we can back up with gold.

We only own 20 trillion in gold!

But here is the Good news! China loves us! For them, we are too big to fail, so they actually want us to have a good economy. They actually help a lot by helping us keep costs down.

China asks less for interest than what our own FRB charges for loans!

But, because it devaluates mine and your dollars, we better get back to fiscal responsiblity.

So, this is no time to give huge tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans or deduct the tax on commerce by 20%! That is only going to increase the deficit by another 10 trillion in 5 short years.

Even if we leave things at the going rate right now, our IRS only rakes in 3 Trillion dollars a year in Federal Income Taxes. You do the math!

So, The House better wise it on up! And quit acting like China is a money tree!

7/30/2017 7:20:02 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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Right now the US Government owes 4.4 trillion dollars to about 30 other countries!

But watch how the House handles it! They will just raise the debt ceiling without cutting spending when the bills all come due again in September!

They've been doing that for about 17 years running now!

7/30/2017 7:33:03 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

ludlowlowell
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Many economists think that the amount owed by the government to the Federal Reserve should not be counted as part of the national debt. In their view that is just one branch of government owing money to another branch, similar to the Buick Division owing money to the Chevrolet Division. What do y'all think about that?

7/30/2017 7:36:47 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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And then Congress will handle it like a hot potato, sign it, and pass it quickly over to the president just to keep the lights on in the White House at the last minute.

But, here is the clincher!

Will this president sign it? God only knows what this president will do!

Especially since it won't have the tax breaks for the rich in it like he wanted!

Especially since he's mad as an old hen because he didn't get Trumpcare through!

Donald Trump is just the kind of person to let his own lights get cut off!

This man would cut off his own nose to spite his face!

And America sits and watches and is really worried about that!



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7/30/2017 7:39:16 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Many economists think that the amount owed by the government to the Federal Reserve should not be counted as part of the national debt. In their view that is just one branch of government owing money to another branch, similar to the Buick Division owing money to the Chevrolet Division. What do y'all think about that?


Welcome to the Treasury Bond market! Get em' while they are hot!



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7/30/2017 7:41:11 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from fishnthec:
Right now the US Government owes 4.4 trillion dollars to about 30 other countries!

But watch how the House handles it! They will just raise the debt ceiling without cutting spending when the bills all come due again in September!

They've been doing that for about 17 years running now!


Raise the debt ceiling limit

It's the easiest and convenient way.

If they cut spending or raise taxes, politicians might lose their seats.

7/30/2017 7:58:36 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
Raise the debt ceiling limit

It's the easiest and convenient way.

If they cut spending or raise taxes, politicians might lose their seats.


I can't believe we are only a month out, and what is Congress and the House working on?

They are still trying to tie revolutionary tax cuts into a healthcare bill tha don't have a snowballs chance in hell of passing!

The Democrats can't do nothing but and and go

7/30/2017 8:00:23 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from fishnthec:
Welcome to the Treasury Bond market! Get em' while they are hot!


Thanks for bringing that up

I've been saying for years that the Fed will eventually reduce their balance sheet, thus, return their treasury's to the market "at a spike higher".

According to my calculations, "at a spike higher" may equate to an extra $40 billion in annual interest payments, til the end of time.

7/30/2017 8:17:03 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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At the huge dividend rate we are paying on Treasury Bonds these days, every country on Earth wants a piece of it!

The World is keeping the United States afloat and we are making them all filthy stinking rich!

But, in reality, wouldn't it be nice if it were the other way around?

Folks its time to get the GDP and the GNP back up to some kind of respectable figures.

But, it ain't gonna happen by going it alone and abandoning Free Trade- or doing backroom deals with the Russians!

No!

7/30/2017 8:19:40 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
drwookie
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Many economists think that the amount owed by the government to the Federal Reserve should not be counted as part of the national debt. In their view that is just one branch of government owing money to another branch, similar to the Buick Division owing money to the Chevrolet Division. What do y'all think about that?


Many economists would understand too many dunce hats formed that pointed head!

I think you just keep making up shit to appear knowledgeable but it never works.

7/30/2017 8:25:52 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
drwookie
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Quote from mralwaysrite:
Thanks for bringing that up

I've been saying for years that the Fed will eventually reduce their balance sheet, thus, return their treasury's to the market "at a spike higher".

According to my calculations, "at a spike higher" may equate to an extra $40 billion in annual interest payments, til the end of time.


Your 'calculations' have always been based on ignorance erroneous fake facts and woefully incomplete data.

7/30/2017 8:29:06 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from drwookie:
Your 'calculations' have always been based on ignorance erroneous fake facts and woefully incomplete data.


Recommend reading;



7/30/2017 8:36:09 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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Japan loves us!

Currently they own 900 billion dollars in US Treasury Securities.

Well, actually not Japan itself, but companies in Japan!

But, look how they look after their investment, they do a deal like the one in Wisconsin just last week to look after their investment.

Go it alone! Don't think so!

We love Japan man!



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7/30/2017 8:49:01 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
criminal_1
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The Bank of Japan has become the biggest whale in Japan's stock market


The objectives of increasing inflation expectations with lower rates has not worked in Japan, so it is now taking a different tack by attempting to raise stock prices-thus putting money directly in the hands of consumers-through stock market appreciation in the hopes of spurring spending. The Bank of Japan (BOJ) has been purchasing assets including exchange-traded funds (ETFs) and thus, indirectly, company stocks.

It's estimated that the BOJ now owns about 60% of Japan's domestic ETFs and it's expected the BOJ could continue purchasing more ETFs through 2017.





So the Bank of Japan "creates money" and then invests it in their stock market.


Wow.

Think about it.

7/30/2017 8:59:32 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

fishnthec
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Japans got the same problem the USA, Russia, the UK, and ever other major country in the world, and that is their GDP and GNP is stuck and holding.

So basically, we are pretty much in this together whether we like it or not!

Amazing how we still find ways to actually help each other!

Now Russia, if they want to be on the same world economic stage, they need to get with the program and stop playing stupid games. It's not going to happen with Putin!

7/30/2017 9:03:43 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  

ludlowlowell
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Most of the time central banks create money by taking the money banks have on deposit with them and buying government bonds, thus putting money into circulation. But sometimes the central banks determine that there are not enough government bonds available to buy, so they buy stocks instead, which has the same result---putting money into circulation. In America this practice came to be known as "quantitative easing".

7/30/2017 9:12:29 PM The Federal Reserve, Good or Bad? | Page 2  
criminal_1
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Maybe we need to do what Iceland did.

They recovered very fast.


Research it.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-01/iceland-stuns-banks-plans-take-back-power-create-money