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7/31/2017 9:24:57 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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In your opinion
what qualities does a good story/movie/series/book have?

Science fiction/not real of course!

I was bored and thinking of writing lol..

Bonus question:
what do you think of twilight? (if you have seen or read it?)
What do you think of 50 shades of grey? (^ same)
What do you think of harry potter or other popular books or movies?

What do you like most or find lacking in popular or not so popular books/shows/movies?

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7/31/2017 9:26:06 AM What makes a good story?  
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Lots of sex violence and strong language.

7/31/2017 9:45:47 AM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
In your opinion
what qualities does a good story/movie/series/book have?

Science fiction/not real of course!

I was bored and thinking of writing lol..

Bonus question:
what do you think of twilight? (if you have seen or read it?)
What do you think of 50 shades of grey? (^ same)
What do you think of harry potter or other popular books or movies?

What do you like most or find lacking in popular or not so popular books/shows/movies?


Good character development, engaging story, plot twists.

Bonus question answers

1. shit..pandering to teenage girls
2. shit..pandering to frustrated housewives
3. shit..pandering to f**king nerds.

7/31/2017 10:04:48 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from uncle_bulgaria:
Good character development, engaging story, plot twists.

Bonus question answers

1. shit..pandering to teenage girls
2. shit..pandering to frustrated housewives
3. shit..pandering to f**king nerds.


how do you do good character development?

also how do they pander to tenage girls, housewives or nerds? lol

7/31/2017 10:11:20 AM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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how do you do good character development?

Allow the reader to "get to know" and learn to like (or dislike) a character as though they were a real person by your descriptive prose (and make them interesting), without the readers "investment" in the characters the story is not "gripping" you have to care about the characters to fully enjoy the story.

also how do they pander to tenage girls, housewives or nerds? lol

They reference things (and characters) that those demographics are interested in...just like targeted marketing.

As I am not a teenage girl, a bored housewife or a f**king nerd I have zero interest in any of those books. I'm sure the demographic(s) they are targeted towards though like them.



[Edited 7/31/2017 10:12:09 AM ]

7/31/2017 10:16:32 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from uncle_bulgaria:
how do you do good character development?

Allow the reader to "get to know" and learn to like (or dislike) a character as though they were a real person by your descriptive prose (and make them interesting), without the readers "investment" in the characters the story is not "gripping" you have to care about the characters to fully enjoy the story.

also how do they pander to tenage girls, housewives or nerds? lol

They reference things (and characters) that those demographics are interested in...just like targeted marketing.

As I am not a teenage girl, a bored housewife or a f**king nerd I have zero interest in any of those books. I'm sure the demographic(s) they are targeted towards though like them.

Interesting interesting. Thanks.

How do they get to know and learn to like the character?
is it about having qualities the reader likes orrr

7/31/2017 11:09:22 AM What makes a good story?  

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I love twilight. The creator is making a new show for 2018. I'm hoping it will be as good as the movies.

Last night I watched where the heart is. Its a great movie. Basically the struggle of a young girl. Her mom leaves her as a child. Her baby's father leaves her at Wal-Mart. She lives in Wal-Mart for 6 weeks and gives birth there. A great man comes along and helps.

7/31/2017 12:35:02 PM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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Interesting interesting. Thanks.

How do they get to know and learn to like the character?
is it about having qualities the reader likes orrr


Well you've read enough books I'm sure to recognize character building methods:

"Billy was the child of a wh*re, he came screaming into the world unwanted on July 1st 1974 and was promptly abandoned by both his mother and the world."

...right there in 1 sentence you have already set out something that would/could shape his character.


An example of why character building is important

"Dan stabbed Billy to death" Now without any character building no one gives a f**k about Dan or Billy right?

But if you'd spent have the book learning all about Billy and his history/personality etc you might give a damn when he gets stabbed to death. Character building is the most important part of a story as otherwise no one cares.

7/31/2017 12:54:03 PM What makes a good story?  

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RIP Billy

7/31/2017 8:46:20 PM What makes a good story?  

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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
In your opinion
what qualities does a good story/movie/series/book have?

Science fiction/not real of course!

I was bored and thinking of writing lol..

Bonus question:
what do you think of twilight? (if you have seen or read it?)
What do you think of 50 shades of grey? (^ same)
What do you think of harry potter or other popular books or movies?

What do you like most or find lacking in popular or not so popular books/shows/movies?


I write. So I am very involved with the subject area.

Sorry, I know almost nothing about the Twilight series. I have not seen 50 Shades, and I am prejudiced against it, since I see it as essentially a throwback rip off of I Am Curious Yellow, The Story Of O, and 9 and 1/2 Weeks. Never read the potter books (too old) but saw the films with my kids. Much more imaginative than I expected.

I'm watching a series (I'm late to it as usual) that is spectacular. Westworld. I'm old enough to know the ancient 1970's film it's based on, and this new iteration of it has depth and intriguing ideas that the original story never even hinted at.

What I find most involving in any story, isn't the wizzbang stuff, though I do enjoy that. What gets me, is when the author INFORMS me with some new insight into themselves, or myself, or humanity. If the Potter stories, for example, had just been about how cool it was that these children could do real magic, and learned typical little growing-up lessons to be nice to frogs or whatever, they would have been relegated to the trash end of the cheaper kids books section. But they went much further, exploring some of the most fundamentally important keystones of human development, through the use of that well-detailed imaginary subworld. It helped me enjoy them, that I grew up in London.

Something I suggest for you, as a self-teaching experience, is to watch some classic older films that you enjoy, which have crappy sequels that spoil things. There are LOTS of basic lessons in what NOT to do with an otherwise good storyline set up, in those sequels. Things like forgetting why the first story succeeded, wasn't because of the scenes of the shark chewing people, or whatever, what made the GOOD film work was that you cared what happened to the people and the overall story.

7/31/2017 10:13:54 PM What makes a good story?  
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Whatever I come up with in the moment.

8/1/2017 4:27:31 AM What makes a good story?  
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sadlsticsienna: In your opinion
what qualities does a good story/movie/series/book have?

Science fiction/not real of course!

I was bored and thinking of writing lol..

Bonus question:
what do you think of twilight? (if you have seen or read it?)
What do you think of 50 shades of grey? (^ same)
What do you think of harry potter or other popular books or movies?

What do you like most or find lacking in popular or not so popular books/shows/movies?


Have never read or watched what you've listed.

One of my faves was Braveheart

I sobbed & sobbed



[Edited 8/1/2017 4:27:50 AM ]

8/1/2017 5:00:51 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Mercedes you srsly look like my gymnastics instructor from when I was younger lol

8/1/2017 5:06:02 AM What makes a good story?  
Mercedes_3
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sadlsticsienna: Mercedes you srsly look like my gymnastics instructor from when I was younger lol


If it was a couple of years ago yes it was me
if it was many moon's ago it definitely wasn't me

8/1/2017 5:23:17 AM What makes a good story?  

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8/1/2017 5:41:15 AM What makes a good story?  

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Simple answer: a good writer.

8/1/2017 6:21:02 AM What makes a good story?  

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Quote from sadlsticsienna:
Interesting interesting. Thanks.

How do they get to know and learn to like the character?
is it about having qualities the reader likes orrr




Do some research and make it as realistic as possible....create a character persona much like here on dh....

8/1/2017 7:53:44 AM What makes a good story?  

john_cnc
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Tall tales told twice.

8/1/2017 7:55:28 AM What makes a good story?  
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Have I told you I love you today?

8/1/2017 7:55:59 AM What makes a good story?  

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That is another tall tale.

8/1/2017 9:29:19 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from Mercedes_3:
sadlsticsienna: Mercedes you srsly look like my gymnastics instructor from when I was younger lol


If it was a couple of years ago yes it was me
if it was many moon's ago it definitely wasn't me

Lol been thinking it for ages but didn't mention it xD

8/1/2017 9:35:08 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from uncle_bulgaria:

is it about having qualities the reader likes orrr

But if you'd spent have the book learning all about Billy and his history/personality etc you might give a damn when he gets stabbed to death. Character building is the most important part of a story as otherwise no one cares.

I think it's also really important for people to be able to relate to the main character and have likable and slightly less likable qualities to them. Otherwise it doesn't really matter how much effort you put into the character building, if the character is just dislikeable and annoying, people won't care about them or like them.
Especially important for main character because if someone hates a main character they probably won't continue reading.

I thought this is interesting


8/1/2017 9:40:34 AM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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I think it's also really important for people to be able to relate to the main character and have likable and slightly less likable qualities to them.

Yup, exactly. That's why certain demographics like certain books...a lot of young women enjoy "twilight" etc because they can identify with the main character.

Even books where the main character is a villain usually qualify his character with a "softer" side or get the readers empathy by explaining why he is the way he is etc.

Every good story requires good characters...characters should be the basis for any story whatever the subject.

It's like that old saying it's not the destination but the journey that matters..it's the same with good stories, it's not the scenario but the characters within that scenario that makes the story.

A lot of "Amateur" writers spend far too much time on creating the scenario and not the characters resulting in a very forgettable read.

8/1/2017 9:45:54 AM What makes a good story?  
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Quote from uncle_bulgaria:
Good character development, engaging story, plot twists.

Bonus question answers

1. shit..pandering to teenage girls
2. shit..pandering to frustrated housewives
3. shit..pandering to f**king nerds.


This.

8/1/2017 9:47:31 AM What makes a good story?  

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Quote from testsignup:

I'm watching a series (I'm late to it as usual) that is spectacular. Westworld. I'm old enough to know the ancient 1970's film it's based on, and this new iteration of it has depth and intriguing ideas that the original story never even hinted at.


I have not seen 50 shades of grey or really watched twilight in great detail lol.

Westworld is good but I find the main character is a bit of a ditz and boring and it is very much western in nature/setting.

I like watching war movies and horror/survival type.
I watch Game of thrones, the 100, the strain, vikings, westworld, walking dead.
Loved Predator, Predators and alien movies

Horror horror movies I find OK, just gets a bit typical.

also watch anime and read manga. For social qualities I like the mangas and anime more, because it's way more focused on that.

8/1/2017 9:48:58 AM What makes a good story?  
cupocheer
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Ever hear the story about the a Canadian Mounties?

8/1/2017 9:49:54 AM What makes a good story?  
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I saw the first movie 50 shades and read the first book. It was a TORTURE!
Ludicrous, badly written (the book and the movie) and badly acted also.

Should be called 50 shades of shite.



[Edited 8/1/2017 9:50:44 AM ]

8/1/2017 9:51:15 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from Orchidea73:
I saw the first movie 50 shades and read the first book. It was a TORTURE!
Ludicrous, badly written (the book and the movie) and badly acted also.

I thought twilight was badly written and the female actor wasn't that great. Just felt like it was a weird wives fantasy lol. Fantasizing about being a young girl with 2 hot studs chasing after her. Both mysterious mythical creatures Lmao

8/1/2017 9:57:24 AM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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That one too. Complete BS and one movie was suffice for me.

Harry Potter less so honestly, but I stopped watching it years ago. The last I saw was Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.



[Edited 8/1/2017 9:57:59 AM ]

8/1/2017 10:01:14 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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I was much younger when Harry Potter came out. It was one of the first things I read so I hopped on the band wagon lol. Read the all of the books like 8 times. Saw the movies multiple as well

8/1/2017 10:12:32 AM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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Yeah, Harry Potter is appealing mostly to very young people. Although it depends, I guess.
I love Tolkien, for example, but I don't care much about "The Hobbit" novel. Not cause it is a bad book, far from it. But it is a children's novel really. I did love the first movie though.

8/1/2017 10:14:26 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Quote from Orchidea73:
Yeah, Harry Potter is appealing mostly to very young people. Although it depends, I guess.
I love Tolkien, for example, but I don't care much about "The Hobbit" novel. Not cause it is a bad book, far from it. But it is a children's novel really. I did love the first movie though.

Oh what separates children's books/movies from adult ones?

8/1/2017 10:18:04 AM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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Oh what separates children's books/movies from adult ones?

The writing style...if you compare the hobbit and lord of the rings the hobbit uses very dumbed down language and is less descriptive.

8/1/2017 10:29:11 AM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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Yeah, what crumpet said.
The Hobbit is a prologue of sorts for the great trilogy, The Lord of the Rings.

8/1/2017 10:50:57 AM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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The Lord of the Rings movies sullied the book in my mind, sure they were good but the book is great and no movie would ever do it justice...now if I read it I can't help but seeing that stupid Orlando Bloom in my head

8/1/2017 11:03:38 AM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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I agree. But in 99% of the cases, movies or tv series can never match or top a book, IMO.
I learned that when I was very young with Remarque's book "Arch of Triumph" and the 1984 British television film, despite having Anthony Hopkins, Lesley-Anne Down and Donald Pleasence in it. Boy what a complete let down that was for me. I had loved the book.

I love LoTR movies, especially the first one. But obviously is not as good as the books. You say Orlando Bloom, and I don't care much about him either, but I really can't stand Elijah Wood as Frodo. That's a big problem cause I've seen the movie so many times, and I keep pushing forward button any time that Frodo is in it, which means many times.



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8/1/2017 11:08:46 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Orlando bloom was amazzzzzzzzzzzzing

8/1/2017 11:12:41 AM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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Bleh, don't care for him.
Andy Serkis, Sean Bean, Viggo Mortensen, Ian McKellen, Cate Blanchett,Christopher Lee were indeed amazing for me.

8/1/2017 11:26:22 AM What makes a good story?  

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Quote from cupocheer:
Ever hear the story about the a Canadian Mounties?

No. It must not have been a very good story.

8/1/2017 11:42:27 AM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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frog.

8/1/2017 12:00:04 PM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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Yeah, what crumpet said.
The Hobbit is a prologue of sorts for the great trilogy, The Lord of the Rings.


I just sold a deluxe copy of The Hobbit on Ebay last week for $100 I'd had since 1984.

8/1/2017 12:03:37 PM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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WOW! Thank god for fans and nerds eh?

8/1/2017 12:05:38 PM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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Quite, I was hoping it would go for more but still, it was just sitting in a box gathering dust so better in my wallet.

8/1/2017 12:14:19 PM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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That's right.
Nowadays I'm only buying for kindle. I really don't have space for paperbacks/hardcover books anymore. It's a pity cause I love them.

8/1/2017 1:21:12 PM What makes a good story?  

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Good story line is when I do not get bored of it in the beginning or middle. If it keeps and peaks my interest. Good acting ability. It makes sense and easy to follow.

8/1/2017 7:23:15 PM What makes a good story?  

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Whatever ridiculous piece of drivel a man spouts off when he gets home at dawn with a blood alcohol level of .4 and she has to pay the cabby who brought him home and get his car out of the impound. It had better be a REALLY GOOD story!

8/2/2017 8:36:58 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Urrrg God finally finished studying 4 hrs later lol. Not sure if my method is just inefficient or wot


anyways I had good ideas for 2 stories
So I suppose to help me out I should write up some character profiles.
Pretty exhausted atm tho so not now and uni tomorrow then studying so prolly not then either
Idk ;p

8/2/2017 5:40:24 PM What makes a good story?  
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Read it and weep.

8/3/2017 6:20:09 AM What makes a good story?  

john_cnc
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Lies often make for fantastic stories.

8/3/2017 6:49:41 AM What makes a good story?  
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8/3/2017 6:57:32 AM What makes a good story?  
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Do you have to f**k up these forums wit yo memes every f**kin' day, c*nt??? ^^^ Geeeeeeeeeeeeze!!!

8/3/2017 7:02:20 AM What makes a good story?  
cupocheer
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Good morning, 'everyone'. Get it?!?

8/3/2017 7:03:35 AM What makes a good story?  
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8/3/2017 7:04:05 AM What makes a good story?  
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8/3/2017 7:21:00 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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I have a really cute story I wanna write. Kinda weird tho lol. Like a doujinshi. Idk if I'd be able to illustrate it well

8/3/2017 7:55:56 AM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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Do it Sienna.

8/3/2017 7:58:15 AM What makes a good story?  

sadlsticsienna
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Gonna be kinda
Gay tho maybe lool.

Ah well
At least I'll enjoy it yo and others who are fujoshis

8/3/2017 8:00:33 AM What makes a good story?  
Orchidea73
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It doesn't matter what it is about. It's your story. They say writing is therapeutic as well.



[Edited 8/3/2017 8:02:05 AM ]

8/3/2017 8:02:57 AM What makes a good story?  
uncle_bulgaria
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I wrote a book in my mid 20s.


It was kind of a set of short stories forming an overall main story. About a trainee angel being sent to Earth to help people. Each chapter was one of his "assignments" and his performance was evaluated at the end of each assignment and at the end of book by his boss who would decide if he'd get his wings or not.

That allowed a lot of leeway in the type of individual stories/styles that could be used. One chapter was comedic, one was tragic etc etc.

All very pretentious.

8/3/2017 8:06:02 AM What makes a good story?  
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I hope like hell you had a proofreader!