Lud. Atheism does not require evidence, it does not claim anything.

However claiming a magical God, does require evidence.

The burden of proof rests on the person proposing that something exists. Atheists are under no obligation to refute flimsy claims.

I think you guys have your definitions mixed up. My Webster's dictionary defines "atheism" as "the belief that there is no God", and "atheist" as "a person who believed that there is no God: distinguished from agnostic".

The only evidence that atheists have for their fervent belief that God does not exist is the following: "I have never seen God, therefore He must not exist."

That's awfully flimsy evidence.

The only evidence that atheists have for their fervent belief that God does not exist is the following: "I have never seen God, therefore He must not exist."

That's awfully flimsy evidence.

An agnostic holds the belief that the universe and all it contains cannot be explained, that neither a belief or disbelief of a God exists. This is way outdated thinking.
An atheist, which came from agnostic principals, believes there is no God, but the universe can be explained.

Fail.

An agnostic doubts the existence of God.

An atheist denies the existence of God.

Splitting hairs. You can use the words "doubt" and "deny" if that makes you feel good, but being that there is no evidence one way or the other, it is a system of belief.

A key point here is how religious people think or more accurately how irrational and absurd their thinking is. Superstition is about ignorance and magical thinking. It's stupidity. That is why religious people never can make sense when their beliefs are examined. At best is they are agnostic meaning they don't know but hope there is a god and then pretend there is. That is a pathetic way to live.

Atheists deny nothing. They simply don't accept any god or goblin or magical being or advanced extraterrestrials because there is zero evidence for it. Well, ET isn't a theos but the same critical thinking applies to absurd claim that there are 619 planets with people on them.

God = ignorance = god of the gaps = no evidence = nothing. Believing in god is believing in nothing.

Atheists simply recognize that fact and intelligent atheists would have no reason to waste time disproving anything that simply doesn't exist with any veracity.

Religious people typically aren't agnostic. Agnostics demand EVIDENCE for or against the existence of god, without evidence the agnostic says MAYBE god exists and MAYBE not.

The problem with religious people is that they ACCEPT that god exists WITHOUT evidence, which is dangerous, as such acceptance is often used to "justify" behaviors that LOGICAL people who employ CRITICAL THINKING would NOT engage in.

As I said, "I Believe" I will stop for the next stop sign, but I can assure you, I will not pray to it.

Please explain what this supposed system consists of.

There is absolutely no system in atheism. None whatsoever. The word would not even exist if it were not for people inventing Gods.

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You must have a comprehension problem for you have read a considerable portion of the UB and I assume that includes Paper 1 which reveals God as a Universal Spirit, the first source and center of all things and beings yet you sarcastically and with contempt refer to God as a "magic man." Why is that, lordclarence?

And you appear to be ignorant that the Big Bang Theory does indeed postulate that the universe somehow created itself, does it not?

What's flimsy about asserting you can't have an affect without a cause?

Why is it the case that the universe appears to be generally hostile to life and benevolence is apparent only in how biological organisms like ourselves (sometimes) treat each other?

Why do you appear so utterly forgetful that I have said many times that it is FAITH that is essential to transfer the seat of ones identity from the physical world to the spiritual world?

Those questions were rhetorical only. Please don't post any UB passages. I don't want to get a headache.

Not going to waste anymore of my time reading and responding to your overwhelming atheist sarcastic contempt for all things spiritual because you can't perceive this universal creative spirit with your eyes, Clarence. To you human life is just a product of evolution in an unknown or not understood process of life springing forth somehow from inanimate matter with no purpose or destiny other than adaptation and survival ending in death of the individual having "no more value or importance" (as you have previously said) than that of a "tapeworm." And if that's what your ego driven materialistic mind desires to look upon life as consisting - and that makes you feel smarter, wiser and superior to those who believe differently, then so be it for its clear you are truly spiritually dead as a matter of choice.

Not going to waste anymore of my time reading and responding to your overwhelming atheist sarcastic contempt for all things spiritual because you can't perceive this universal creative spirit that urges man to perfection with your eyes, Clarence. To you human life is just a product of evolution in an unknown or not understood process of life springing forth somehow from inanimate matter with no purpose or destiny other than adaptation and survival ending in death of the individual having "no more value or importance" (as you have previously said) than that of a "tapeworm." And if that's what your ego driven materialistic mind desires to look upon life as consisting - and that makes you feel smarter, wiser and superior to those who believe differently, then so be it for its clear you are truly spiritually dead as a matter of choice.

I requested NO cosmic word salad.

Not going to waste anymore of my time reading and responding to your overwhelming atheist sarcastic contempt for all things spiritual because you can't perceive this universal creative spirit that urges man to perfection with your eyes, Clarence. To you human life is just a product of evolution in an unknown or not understood process of life springing forth somehow from inanimate matter with no purpose or destiny other than adaptation and survival ending in death of the individual having "no more value or importance" (as you have previously said) than that of a "tapeworm." And if that's what your ego driven materialistic mind desires to look upon life as consisting - and that makes you feel smarter, wiser and superior to those who believe differently, then so be it for its clear you are truly spiritually dead as a matter of choice.

. Hello. Is it your position that Evolution isn't a fact? There is more evidence for evolution than there is for the properties of elecricity or gravity. Are you familiar with germ theory? Why do you think antibiotics become ineffective? My definition of egocentricity is people who rely on faith to rationalize their unsubstantiated and misguided claims about their belief system. If there was empirical evidence for your belief you wouldn't need faith. Faith is pretending to know something you don't know.

You as well mate! You are spot on! It is exhausting having conversations with scientifically ignorant superstitious people.

Absent any refutation on your part I take it onu are admitting you made the tapeworm statement as I said and for the reason I stated? And I take it you can't refute the balance of my post? That being the case I see no reason to respond to your redundant nebulous questions that seek to evade your lack of intelligent rebuttal to what I previously said.

However, as to your sarcastic inquiry as to why God who you call the "magic man" is "exempt from needing an explanation for his own existence" I offer the following excerpt from the UB:

1:2.1 (23.4) God is primal reality in the spirit world; God is the source of truth in the mind spheres; God overshadows all throughout the material realms. To all created intelligences God is a personality, and to the universe of universes he is the First Source and Center of eternal reality. God is neither manlike nor machinelike. The First Father is universal spirit, eternal truth, infinite reality, and father personality.

1:2.2 (23.5) The eternal God is infinitely more than reality idealized or the universe personalized. God is not simply the supreme desire of man, the mortal quest objectified. Neither is God merely a concept, the power-potential of righteousness. The Universal Father is not a synonym for nature, neither is he natural law personified. God is a transcendent reality, not merely man’s traditional concept of supreme values. God is not a psychological focalization of spiritual meanings, neither is he “the noblest work of man.” God may be any or all of these concepts in the minds of men, but he is more. He is a saving person and a loving Father to all who enjoy spiritual peace on earth, and who crave to experience personality survival in death.

Why are you complaining about something that hasn't taken place? Yes, I believe evolution is a fact but I haven't had any discussion with you about it and if you can explain how the universe came to exist and how its possible for billions of DNA info to form to create the first living cell I would really like to hear it.

Please don't bother me with such crude assertions based on the teachings of organized Christianity. God didn't write the Bible and God didn't make this world perfect. Nor did he make humans perfect and immune to sickness and disease or accidents, earthquakes, hurricanes and wars that occur. God doesn't interfere with man's freewill or the natural occurrences of a planet such as this one but this fact doesn't mean God doesn't exist or that God is not a God of Love who calls man to strive for perfection.