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9/8/2017 7:25:49 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Stopsign_01
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,182)
Londres
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1. be held completely financially responsible for all damages
2. be denied all government services since they chose to ignore the law
3. be forced to cover the cost of any/all rescue services if needed
4. be forced to cover medical costs of responders they call for help


In cases of mandated evacuation orders transportation and safe housing are provided at no cost to residents in the direct line of personal danger due to a natural disaster. All possible steps are taken to safely evacuate the elderly, the disabled, people who lack financial resources or families that can/will help them. Yet some ignorant fools choose to break the law and ignore mandatory evacuation orders irregardless of the stress and potential danger it places on our community servants....the first responders and emergency personnel.

In such cases, the concern is less the life of the individual who refuses to leave, and more the life of the responders who may be called on later for a dramatic rescue that could have been avoided.

North Carolina and Texas lead the way in this respect by providing that people who refuse an order to evacuate are civilly liable for the costs of a later rescue—while it making it clear that such a rescue may not come at all.

Combined with the infamous "magic marker" tactics of coastal Virginia, where citizens refusing to evacuate are given pens and instructed to write their social security numbers on themselves so that their remains can be identified, most sensible folks will choose to leave when given the opportunity and resources to do so.

If those who don't leave are made to bear the full burden of their choice to stay, do you believe they should be denied government financial aid as well as insurance payments for damages to themselves or their property?



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9/8/2017 7:32:29 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
vizz87
Lisle, IL
35, joined Aug. 2017


I dont know.

9/8/2017 7:36:34 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

westy602
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we have "stupid motorists" laws here where people are charged for their rescue if they get stuck crossing a flood rampaging desert wash..

9/8/2017 7:46:26 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
cheep_trick
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,647)
Herndon, VA
37, joined Mar. 2017


Natural selection.

9/8/2017 7:54:56 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

westy602
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yup...

same for gulf coasters and storms..

they know the risks..they're gonna have to pay up eventually for their choices they make...

or continue to hide their heads in the sand making believe its not ever gonna happen...

whatevs...

9/8/2017 7:57:13 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Mercedes_3
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (11,364)
New South Wales
Australia
90, joined Jun. 2016


If they refuse to leave because they're dumb to think they can save their house they shouldn't be helped at all.

Bloody idiots!~

9/8/2017 8:49:09 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Stopsign_01
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Quote from cheep_trick:
Natural selection.


If they die they're eligible for The Darwin Award......so there's that

9/8/2017 8:57:58 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Stopsign_01
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,182)
Londres
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Yeah......they'll be fine









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9/8/2017 10:08:48 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
anglicus_femina
Over 1,000 Posts (1,866)
Staffordshire
United Kingdom
43, joined May. 2016


I think it's called stupidity. If you become injured why should insurance pay for that?

People have been told to leave, they're fully aware of the costs of not leaving. So they're informed.

9/8/2017 11:11:36 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

M4mischief
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,002)
Grand Prairie, TX
99, joined May. 2016


No payment for injuries they sustain and also they should be responsible for the cost of their rescue and any medical cost born to the first responders....the damage to the home was gonna come anyway whether they stay or go...so that shouldn't really be a factor in whether they choose to evacuate or not...but certainly the costs that arise from their choice to stay they should be liable for....

9/9/2017 7:02:26 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Stopsign_01
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Quote from M4mischief:
No payment for injuries they sustain and also they should be responsible for the cost of their rescue and any medical cost born to the first responders....the damage to the home was gonna come anyway whether they stay or go...so that shouldn't really be a factor in whether they choose to evacuate or not...but certainly the costs that arise from their choice to stay they should be liable for....




9/9/2017 7:13:25 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
killerbugs53
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,753)
Palo Cedro, CA
54, joined Oct. 2016


I feel if you are in one of those areas they tell you to evacuate and you dont,then yes don't get butthurt if things go south for you...there are storm shelters you can go to at least that are made for stuff like this...no one should risk there life for something like this,and you should expect others to risk their life to save you because you wouldn't listen.

9/9/2017 7:16:52 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (264,119)
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010


#5 --- DOES NOT APPLY

NO governmental authority can FORCE a resident to EVACUATE.

Freedom of Choice cannot be criminalized.

End of thread.

9/9/2017 7:19:11 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

stanleyzee
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (57,718)
Dayton, OH
60, joined Dec. 2012


I want Irma to destroy one

9/9/2017 7:20:38 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

pdforone
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (27,235)
Litchfield, OH
66, joined Jul. 2010




I am still trying to grasp the concept that living in an area repeatedly hit by severe storms that put your home and life at risk could be considered a great place to live?

Like until the next disaster strikes?

9/9/2017 7:33:17 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Stopsign_01
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,182)
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Quote from cupocheer:
#5 --- DOES NOT APPLY

NO governmental authority can FORCE a resident to EVACUATE.

Freedom of Choice cannot be criminalized.

End of thread.


Wrong again Ms know it all

As I sit watching the news footage of homeless in handcuffs for refusal to evacuate....

Marshal Law is designed for morons like you who don't have enough sense to get out of harms way and as such
endanger the lives of the emergency personnel who are forced to rescue those fools...

Do your homework or shut your senile mouth

9/9/2017 7:34:23 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Stopsign_01
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,182)
Londres
Argentina
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Quote from pdforone:


I am still trying to grasp the concept that living in an area repeatedly hit by severe storms that put your home and life at risk could be considered a great place to live?

Like until the next disaster strikes?


Cheap housing.....coupled with low IQ's

9/9/2017 8:28:35 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

buried_alive
Philadelphia, PA
47, joined Apr. 2017


Quote from cupocheer:
#5 --- DOES NOT APPLY

NO governmental authority can FORCE a resident to EVACUATE.

Freedom of Choice cannot be criminalized.

End of thread.


Not true:
Although states have uncontested legal authority to make an evacuation mandatory, enforcement is nearly impossible. So what are the consequences of stocking up on water, duct tape, food, and candles, and hanging tough through a disaster?

If you make it through alive with your house intact, consider yourself lucky. There probably won’t be any legal ramifications to your decision to stay behind. While you can be prosecuted for a misdemeanor in a handful of states, including California, Maryland, North Carolina, and New York, chances are authorities are going to have much more important things to do in the aftermath than slap your wrist

But what about insurance? Will staying behind affect your coverage?

There’s no one answer to that question, since individual coverage varies so much, and each insurance company has its own rules and policies. The only way to know is to ask your insurance company well in advance if not obeying an evacuation order affects your coverage.

Depending on the answer you get, you may be able to tailor your coverage with additional riders to keep yourself covered. You’ll want to get your insurance company’s answers in writing and perhaps have an insurance attorney review them, along with any policy changes. You don’t want to engage in a game of hearsay when your house is under water or been reduced to a charred foundation.

Many people who have decided to stay suddenly have a profound change of heart when they can feel the heat of an encroaching wildfire or find themselves sitting on their roof with their feet getting wet.

Personally I think it's pretty foolish to ignore mandatory evacuation orders, to do so could nullify your ability to collect an insurance claim from already far to stressed insurance companies making thousands of payouts to those who followed the law and complied with the order.

9/9/2017 8:31:23 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

easttowest72
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Bremen, GA
45, joined Sep. 2014


They said nobody at 911 will answer.

9/9/2017 8:42:18 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

buried_alive
Philadelphia, PA
47, joined Apr. 2017


Quote from easttowest72:
They said nobody at 911 will answer.


I think they said they can't guarantee anyone would be available to help. But really, how fair is it to expect the emergency response people to put their lives in danger rescuing some idiot who refused to take appropriate safety precautions to begin with?
They shouldn't respond, people who want to roll those dice should be prepared to face the consequences of their decision

9/9/2017 8:50:29 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (264,119)
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010


Quote from buried_alive:
Not true:
Although states have uncontested legal authority to make an evacuation mandatory, enforcement is nearly impossible. So what are the consequences of stocking up on water, duct tape, food, and candles, and hanging tough through a disaster?

If you make it through alive with your house intact, consider yourself lucky. There probably won’t be any legal ramifications to your decision to stay behind. While you can be prosecuted for a misdemeanor in a handful of states, including California, Maryland, North Carolina, and New York, chances are authorities are going to have much more important things to do in the aftermath than slap your wrist

But what about insurance? Will staying behind affect your coverage?

There’s no one answer to that question, since individual coverage varies so much, and each insurance company has its own rules and policies. The only way to know is to ask your insurance company well in advance if not obeying an evacuation order affects your coverage.

Depending on the answer you get, you may be able to tailor your coverage with additional riders to keep yourself covered. You’ll want to get your insurance company’s answers in writing and perhaps have an insurance attorney review them, along with any policy changes. You don’t want to engage in a game of hearsay when your house is under water or been reduced to a charred foundation.

Many people who have decided to stay suddenly have a profound change of heart when they can feel the heat of an encroaching wildfire or find themselves sitting on their roof with their feet getting wet.

Personally I think it's pretty foolish to ignore mandatory evacuation orders, to do so could nullify your ability to collect an insurance claim from already far to stressed insurance companies making thousands of payouts to those who followed the law and complied with the order.


Why do you even bother to try so hard to make others think you know WTF you are talking about?



Take just one issue in your diatribe --- "don't know if insurance will pay for disaster if one stays in their hone" --- good Gawd --- have you ever been in a forest fire? A flood? A tornado? Where evacuation was "ordered"?

No, you haven't --- because as a minor your parents made the decisions, not you!

The GOVERNNENT CANNOT ORDER ONE OFF THEIR OWN FKN PROPERTY WITHOUT COURT ACTION!

Authorities may use the verbage "mandatory" or "order" to coerce others but they sure can't make others obey.

If that were so, Gov. Scott of FL wouldn't keep coming on TV and be begging residents who have chosen to ride out the hurricane to evacuate.

9/9/2017 9:07:11 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

buried_alive
Philadelphia, PA
47, joined Apr. 2017


Quote from cupocheer:
Why do you even bother to try so hard to make others think you know WTF you are talking about?



Take just one issue in your diatribe --- "don't know if insurance will pay for disaster if one stays in their hone" --- good Gawd --- have you ever been in a forest fire? A flood? A tornado? Where evacuation was "ordered"?

No, you haven't --- because as a minor your parents made the decisions, not you!

The GOVERNNENT CANNOT ORDER ONE OFF THEIR OWN FKN PROPERTY WITHOUT COURT ACTION!

Authorities may use the verbage "mandatory" or "order" to coerce others but they sure can't make others obey.

If that were so, Gov. Scott of FL wouldn't keep coming on TV and be begging residents who have chosen to ride out the hurricane to evacuate.


Oh dear, someone's all kinds of pissed off here

9/9/2017 9:10:08 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (264,119)
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010


Quote from buried_alive:
Oh dear, someone's all kinds of pissed off here


Oh, you shouldn't get pissed off, dear.

It will raise your blood pressure and you might drop dead.

9/9/2017 9:16:55 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

stl1
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (21,916)
Saint Louis, MO
63, joined Jun. 2007


Quote from easttowest72:
They said nobody at 911 will answer.




All of the phone lines and cell towers will be on the ground.

They may want to invest in a CB radio.

10-4, good buddy. This is the Rubber Ducky checking in and it's a great day for ducks (and ducking)!

9/9/2017 9:20:27 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

easttowest72
Over 7,500 Posts!! (9,258)
Bremen, GA
45, joined Sep. 2014


I like rosco's 10-4 little fat buddy.

9/9/2017 9:30:26 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

buried_alive
Philadelphia, PA
47, joined Apr. 2017


Quote from cupocheer:
Oh, you shouldn't get pissed off, dear.

It will raise your blood pressure and you might drop dead.


That's a lot more likely to happen to you, given your age and rage against the machine

9/9/2017 9:37:01 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
cupocheer
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (264,119)
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010


I have no rage, dear. I don't need psychotropics.

My age is a badge of honor. Maybe you'll experience that some day.

9/9/2017 10:56:26 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  

hippo65
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,254)
Albuquerque, NM
52, joined Apr. 2013


1,2,3,4.

9/9/2017 12:39:01 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
cheep_trick
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,647)
Herndon, VA
37, joined Mar. 2017


Any moron, who willfully fails to
comply with a MANDATORY evacuation order... Should be left the
f**k on their own.

No rescue attempts.
No emergency supplies given to them.

Seriously, leave them for dead.
They aren't worth the risk, to the
lives of emergency personnel, or
volunteers.

9/9/2017 2:32:48 PM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Stopsign_01
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,182)
Londres
Argentina
26, joined Feb. 2017


Quote from cheep_trick:
Any moron, who willfully fails to
comply with a MANDATORY evacuation order... Should be left the
f**k on their own.

No rescue attempts.
No emergency supplies given to them.

Seriously, leave them for dead.
They aren't worth the risk, to the
lives of emergency personnel, or
volunteers.






[Edited 9/9/2017 2:33:03 PM ]

9/10/2017 11:59:47 AM Thoughts on those who fail to comply with a mandatory evacuation order  
Stopsign_01
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,182)
Londres
Argentina
26, joined Feb. 2017


Quote from buried_alive:
Not true:
Although states have uncontested legal authority to make an evacuation mandatory, enforcement is nearly impossible. So what are the consequences of stocking up on water, duct tape, food, and candles, and hanging tough through a disaster?

If you make it through alive with your house intact, consider yourself lucky. There probably won’t be any legal ramifications to your decision to stay behind. While you can be prosecuted for a misdemeanor in a handful of states, including California, Maryland, North Carolina, and New York, chances are authorities are going to have much more important things to do in the aftermath than slap your wrist

But what about insurance? Will staying behind affect your coverage?

There’s no one answer to that question, since individual coverage varies so much, and each insurance company has its own rules and policies. The only way to know is to ask your insurance company well in advance if not obeying an evacuation order affects your coverage.

Depending on the answer you get, you may be able to tailor your coverage with additional riders to keep yourself covered. You’ll want to get your insurance company’s answers in writing and perhaps have an insurance attorney review them, along with any policy changes. You don’t want to engage in a game of hearsay when your house is under water or been reduced to a charred foundation.

Many people who have decided to stay suddenly have a profound change of heart when they can feel the heat of an encroaching wildfire or find themselves sitting on their roof with their feet getting wet.

Personally I think it's pretty foolish to ignore mandatory evacuation orders, to do so could nullify your ability to collect an insurance claim from already far to stressed insurance companies making thousands of payouts to those who followed the law and complied with the order
.


looks like Mullett f**ked up...........again



[Edited 9/10/2017 12:00:14 PM ]