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blackhillsgal Sedona, AZ 59, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from carsonguy1951: Hum... Most folks generally consider sex to include procreation and and all things romantically intimate. I don't think the word sex is in scripture.... instead, the Bible often uses the word "knew" Either way, I think God created Sex and I think God made sex fun for a reason. Yes If You Married... masterbating is not beneficial or in any way neccesary for procreating...or to marriage.. And The Title says what it says.. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
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carsonguy1951 Carson City, NV 65, joined Sep. 2008	Quote from blackhillsgal: masterbating is not beneficial . And where in scripture does it teach that?
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dunrich3 Brantford, ON 62, joined Feb. 2010	We live in such an unatural world now days. Nothing is as it should be. We have one sex who does nothing but complain about the other. Just read all the threads here on that. We have all these commandments telliing us we cant even thonk about it, but we were designed with a sub counsious that brings it up every night.( pun not intended) Divorce , even among Christians is over 60 %. I just do not know, only that something is really wrong. [Edited 9/7/2010 10:16:32 AM ]
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blackhillsgal Sedona, AZ 59, joined Nov. 2009	Quote from carsonguy1951: And where in scripture does it teach that? Deut.23:9-14 actually is speaking of pleasing oneself..
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mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from blackhillsgal: Deut.23:9-14 actually is speaking of pleasing oneself.. (Deu 23:13 KJV) And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: Shouldst that not be padlock? [Edited 9/7/2010 10:42:08 AM ]
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in_gods_service Sugar Grove, VA 64, joined Jul. 2010	Quote from mindya: (Deu 23:13 KJV) And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: Shouldst that not be padlock? Isn't this perverting the scriptures?
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mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	I'm trying it get at what lee's is claiming that Deut.23:9-14 actually is speaking of pleasing oneself.. Which it no way does, now that is perverting the scriptures. (Deu 23:13 KJV) And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: You tell me what the above has to do with masturbation? [Edited 9/7/2010 11:28:18 AM ]
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in_gods_service Sugar Grove, VA 64, joined Jul. 2010	I appreciate you clarifying what you meant Mindya.
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carsonguy1951 Carson City, NV 65, joined Sep. 2008	9“When you go out as an army against your enemies, you shall keep yourself from every evil thing. 10“If there is among you any man who is unclean because of a nocturnal emission, then he must go outside the camp; he may not reenter the camp. 11“But it shall be when evening approaches, he shall bathe himself with water, and at sundown he may reenter the camp. 12“You shall also have a place outside the camp and go out there, 13and you shall have a spade among your tools, and it shall be when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and shall turn to cover up your excrement. 14“Since the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp to deliver you and to defeat your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy; and He must not see anything indecent among you or He will turn away from you. And you think this scripture tells us that masturbation is wrong? At best, it tells me that if I want to go out and fight with Israel, and I have a wet dream, I am supposed to hang outside until evening and then take a bath before I return to watch TV or clean my M-16 or do something really military. It tells me I should carry a shovel and cover up my fecal material with dirt so no one steps in it. Of course, if we are going to follow the OT, then gals should not go into church when they are on their period and all sorts of other stuff I seriously doubt any of ya all are practicing. Just thinking about what gals are supposed to do, I don't think I have seen a woman in church with her head covered in decades. IT seems that with some of the ladies, pharisee type of rules and regulations are only for men.
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blackhillsgal Sedona, AZ 59, joined Nov. 2009	really,,,is that what you see? hhmmm..it must be a guy thing.. and I havent bleed for 6 years,,chemo.. and have not gone to church,,accept on occasion in years,either.. to many phonies,and misconceptions.. I only need to learn from Holy Spirit.and Jesus the Christ. not Men.. Oh and we are not living in the Old Testament,,yet we learn from the Old,, How to Live in the New....
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carsonguy1951 Carson City, NV 65, joined Sep. 2008	Quote from blackhillsgal: Oh and we are not living in the Old Testament,,yet we learn from the Old,, How to Live in the New.... Generally speaking, there are many lessons to be learned from the OT, but one should understand that Jesus fulfilled the law..... Take Deut 23:2 2"No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the LORD. Now my parents were married so I suppose I am permitted to attend church or any assembly of believers, but if we are going to take the OT law, then I suppose we should kick out anyone who was born to parents who were not married....or had relatives for 10 generations back who were not married. God no doubt had a purpose for this law, but again, our righteousness is through Christ and not law keeping. Just to keep this on theme, still waiting for the scripture that says that masturbation is wrong....as blackhillsgal suggested previously.
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qualiteee Lehigh Acres, FL 29, joined Dec. 2009	What is your definition of "fulfilled" carson?
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mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	Just thinking about what gals are supposed to do, I don't think I have seen a woman in church with her head covered in decades. Years ago when I attended a Brethren (Plymouth) body some of the older sisters did wear head coverings. I thought it was a very pleasing thing and found it very "wholesome". Even though I'd read about the head covering in the letter to the Corinthians I'd never given it much thought prior to seeing it in this Brethren assembly. A few years ago I read a book by an older brother called "Sunset of the Western Church" - I loaned it to a friend who lost it. His "complaint" was that women in church without a head covering is a sign of disrespect and leaves them open to spiritual attacks by the enemy. I think he referenced ((1 Cor 11:10 KJV) For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.) He had other things to say about speaking in tongues as well, but my memory of his writings is fading. He also wrote a book called "Demons in the Church" about satanic counterfeit gifts abounding in the church.
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qualiteee Lehigh Acres, FL 29, joined Dec. 2009	I still can't read your ishh mindya...
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in_gods_service Sugar Grove, VA 64, joined Jul. 2010	1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
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carsonguy1951 Carson City, NV 65, joined Sep. 2008	Quote from qualiteee: What is your definition of "fulfilled" carson? Completed, as in met all the requirements.... As in the obligation was paid in full. When my wife died, I was no longer under the law of marriage..... so if I marry someone else, I am not a bigamist. Because of Jesus' death on the cross, I am no longer under the OT law because all of its demands have been met by my Lord. I am free to be under grace.... The OT law was to teach us about the demands of a righteous God who demanded holiness. It's purpose today is to inform us what we cannot meet God's expected righteous on our own now as it could not be met then. In the OT, there was a regular program of sacrifices for forgiveness. Jesus paid the tab or the list of offenses for me.....
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qualiteee Lehigh Acres, FL 29, joined Dec. 2009	Quote from carsonguy1951: Completed, as in met all the requirements.... As in the obligation was paid in full. When my wife died, I was no longer under the law of marriage..... so if I marry someone else, I am not a bigamist. Because of Jesus' death on the cross, I am no longer under the OT law because all of its demands have been met by my Lord. I am free to be under grace.... The OT law was to teach us about the demands of a righteous God who demanded holiness. It's purpose today is to inform us what we cannot meet God's expected righteous on our own now as it could not be met then. In the OT, there was a regular program of sacrifices for forgiveness. Jesus paid the tab or the list of offenses for me..... With a respectful approach to the dialouge, what in turn do you think of these several passages though in regards to "is to inform us what we cannot meet God's expected righteous on our own now"...statement that you made? This is something I typed to a friend of mine a few days ago: I dispute the notion that no man can keep it for Christ says that he “is the vine, you are the branches...abide in me and I in him…he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing” John 15:12. His “commandments are not grievous” 1 John 5:3, for Christ’s “yoke is easy and [his] burden is light” Matt 11:30. Christ has not abolished the Law, Matthew 5:17, but rather man is invited to rediscover it in the person of his Master who is its perfect fulfillment. In the 3 synoptic Gospels, Jesus’ call to the rich young man to follow him, in the obedience of a disciple and in the observance of the Commandments, is joined to the call to poverty and chastity, Mt 19:6-2,21,23-29. Christ acknowledged the 10 commandments, but he also showed the power of the Spirit at work in their letter. He preached a “righteousness [which] exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees” Mt 5:46-47. He unfolded the demands of the Commandments and elevated them; so the Decalogue must be interpreted in light of this twofold yet single commandment of love. What God commands he makes possible by his grace. I’m proposing that Paul speaks of “grace vs works” Rom 11:6, as his theme, no doubt, however, not in the sense and at the expense of the “precepts” and “principles” of the Old Covenant “law”, the “whole law” at that. Merit and reward still exist within the New Covenant, though not on the basis of debt, but rather grace. It’s the “system” of either Law [Old Covenant] or Grace [New Covenant] however, within the new, God’s salvation is Law and Grace because Divine help comes to man in Christ through the law that guides him and the grace that sustains him. Paul doesn’t condemn works, Eph 2:10, just so long as they are done and accompanied always by grace. The kinds of works are not the issue, but rather, the “system” in which they’re performed. The “principles” of the moral, divine, natural law i.e. the Decalogue, are necessary for salvation and the “justified man is still bound to keep them”- Council of Trent, precisely because they are based on love of God and neighbor, which are requisites and the basis of the “new law” of Christ- “On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets” Matthew 22:40, for he is our “lawgiver” and judge, James 4:12 and “love…fulfills the law” Romans 13:8. We are saved by “grace through faith” Eph 2:8, and the “just shall live by faith” Rom 1:17, yet a “living faith work[ing] through love” Gal 5:6, and the “love of God is perfected” by “keeping his word [commandments]” 1 John 2:5, “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments” 1 John 5:3 His “commandments are not grievous” 1 John 5:3
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carsonguy1951 Carson City, NV 65, joined Sep. 2008	Quote from carsonguy1951: Completed, as in met all the requirements.... As in the obligation was paid in full. When my wife died, I was no longer under the law of marriage..... so if I marry someone else, I am not a bigamist. Because of Jesus' death on the cross, I am no longer under the OT law because all of its demands have been met by my Lord. I am free to be under grace.... The OT law was to teach us about the demands of a righteous God who demanded holiness. It's purpose today is to inform us what we cannot meet God's expected righteous on our own now as it could not be met then. In the OT, there was a regular program of sacrifices for forgiveness. Jesus paid the tab or the list of offenses for me..... Just for example....let me give a very specific example. In Deut 23:2, the Lord says: "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the LORD; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the LORD." How many churches today exclude folks who were born to single mothers from attending their church? I suspect few of any. How many exclude someone for their great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother having been born to a single mom? I think NONE. WHY.....? We understand that Christ's death and resurrection brought and end to the Law. If it did not, then folks, start kicking folks out of your church because the Law teaches that they are not permitted to be with ya all!
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qualiteee Lehigh Acres, FL 29, joined Dec. 2009	You still didn't address or answer any of the scriptures that I presented which Christ himself spoke. I'm saying that the old testament "system" which was devoid of grace was fulfilled, however, in the new, the principles and precepts are maintained, for these are necessary for salvation. The Decalouge must be maintained for the justified man can not stray from it. He is bound, because the decalouge is entailed in the twofold commandment to love God and neighbor. Christians are still under the Law, in this respect. The natural law, moral law, New Law. To deviate from the New Law is to go astray.
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carsonguy1951 Carson City, NV 65, joined Sep. 2008	Mostly I think you have taken lots of scripture out of context, attempted to improperly paste them together....something akin to a committee making a horse with the head of a cow, the body of a zebra and then the hind end of a camel. and then confused salvation with reward for the saved. Either we are under the law and we must then follow Deut 23:2 to the letter.... or we are under grace and are released. In Romans Paul talks extensively about the Law.....and uses the example I used about the death of my wife....except in Paul's case, it is woman who is set free from the law. The RC makes salvation a matter of works....I get that. Lots of folks want to earn God's free gift as a matter of their pride. If I buy a ring for my GF just because I know she liked it, I am not earning anything, I am simply doing something for someone I love. If I buy her the ring because she will then forgive me for staying out late or not doing the shopping, or to get into her pants, then I am attempting to earn her favors or forgiveness. Grace is unmerited... It can never ever be earned. If it can be earned, it is no longer grace.... Salvation then becomes something I have a right to. "for by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God lest anyone should boast." If we can boast about anything, then whatever we have, it is not God's Gift.
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soon2bdoctor31 Montgomery, AL 38, joined Sep. 2010	We have stay prayerful because we're so use to having a mate and being active but obedience is better than sacrifice
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justbones25 Alabaster, AL 48, joined Jan. 2010	AMEN soon2bedoctor!!! And congrats
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hicentt Norcross, GA 29, joined Oct. 2010	Talking of divorce in the case adultery, is the same Bible teaches us that we should forgive not 7 times not 70 times but 7x70 times. That's 490, So to me when I'll see yes I do for better for worst, I'll try. I might be saying this becus. I've not been in any relationship good or bad in my life. But back to the topic,I have struggled or I'm struggling with many sins in my life, after which I'll feel so ashamed and helpless, but one by one I started keeping some off, and I began to feel good, mature, courageous, and above all I go to God for support. I might not be close right in this but that is my own opinion. May God give us the power to do away with devilish and help us in trying to discover ourselves.
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elfiegirl Deland, FL 62, joined Nov. 2007	WOW!!! I've read them all. I will impart a little of my life here... very little. I need not confess anything here, but NO ONE here, including the men, has had a stronger sex drive than me. Yep...runs in my blood on my father's side. We are an ardent group with deep passions, seemingly without end, for the opposite sex. Other than if I was extremely ill, I cannot remember a time that I would turn down that fleshly pleasure. I am sure I was the worst of the worst, except that I was married to one or another husband until I was about 43. I was faithful during my marriages and didn't get divorced due to any adultery on anyone's part, as due to my appetite, sex or not having sex, was never an issue. When I was 46, I had a young boyfriend of 27 yrs. Yep, 19 yrs. difference and I gave him a run for his money. Well, he liked to drink way too much, so after almost 2 yrs. we split up. Like I have said elsewhere, I have been a backslider for many years. NOT a fact that I am proud of, not in the least. I feel really bad about how I have lived my life. Looking back, I even laugh at myself for being so foolish. Anywho....now that I have finally changed my life (well Jesus Christ actually helped change me) I say helped, because I HAD to finally give up my old life for the new one He is giving me now. I am not totally done changing...as the song goes, something like...."I am a diamond inside a hunk of coal." So....all that being said....if I can give up "sex" of ANY kind, then ANYONE can give up sex for the love of GOD and for NO other reason. Because of how HE is changing me and what Christ did for me (for ALL of us)and because I owe Him EVERYTHING. Sure it's a battle...I STILL have ALL the same urges and desires, as I have had my whole, entire life! (Maybe I should have been born a man? ) BUT this is a battle worth fighting, and I am fighting satan everyday, but now I do it on my (proverbial) knees. (I have bad knees). I OWE Him soooooo much, I want to PLEASE Him and obey Him. To be corny, "Let go, and Let GOD!" Thank you so much RC and Brashdoc, and others. I DID read all the scriptures which DO back up everything you have said. All anyone has to do is READ those same scriptures. It says what it says. No one here has written the Bible. I used to hear..."Excuses are Useless" either you are in it to win it, or it's just a phase you are going through. I went through my "phases" believe me. Now I am in it to win it! Corny but true......if I can do it.....so can anyone here. Can you imagine what it is like for me to find my TRUE mate in the Lord, and find him totally appealing, not to be able to even touch him in any sexual manner????? Egads! But for the LOVE OF GOD, we are waiting! This is THE most difficult thing I have ever done in my life, but I love my Saviour and God sooooo much, NO sacrifice is too great!!!
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brashdoc Chehalis, WA 64, joined Aug. 2008	You are welcome elfiegirl & thanks for DEMONSTRATING your love for Jesus by you BOTH abstaining from sexual immorality & waiting until your marriage. I am proud of both of you for placing your love for Jesus & obeying Him above all else. Yes we all have our failures but the bottom line is: our repentance from past sins & failures means we are now bearing the FRUIT of what repentance truly means: go & sin no more. And suddenly when our mindset is that, the great GRACE & POWER of the living God become reality in our lives & a new freedom from the inside out brings great joy & liberty. To be free from past sins has to be one of the most awesome things God bestows on us. I can hear our Lord say as you both enter into His presence: Well done, good & faith servants; enter into the joy of your Master! Will continue to pray!
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elfiegirl Deland, FL 62, joined Nov. 2007	Thanks again brashdoc....I am truly humbled by what God is and has been doing in my life. I definitely cannot & will not take any credit. It's all due to HIM!!!! Hallelujah!

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