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1/11/2016 9:03:38 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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How is it that some people can rationalize their racist, bigotted views and reconcile them with being a Christian?




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1/11/2016 9:23:06 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
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Slavery was accepted in America, using the old testament.
Religion is probably the most racist, bigoted, entity the world has to offer, with each racial group creating their own Gods, who are superior to all others.

1/11/2016 10:48:43 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Yas, are you aware that Popes Eugene IV, Pius II, Paul III, Urban VIII, Benedict XIV, Gregory XVI, and Leo XIII all condemned slavery? Did you know that anyone who engaged in the slave trade was automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church?

1/11/2016 10:57:42 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
Yasureoktoo
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The Catholic church condemned slavery in 1890.

Many of the churches leaders, from the beginning owned slaves.

1/12/2016 2:33:23 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from d_voted:
How is it that some people can rationalize their racist, bigotted views and reconcile them with being a Christian?


An unbigoted christian is an oxymoron ..... bigotry is an integral part of christian dogma.

Peace

1/12/2016 5:17:22 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from d_voted:
How is it that some people can rationalize their racist, bigotted views and reconcile them with being a Christian?


Jesus himself was a racist. Why is this a difficult concept? Calling Canaanite people dogs, refusing to help them until they begged like dogs.

Christianity is also pro-slavery. Jesus blessed the slave and the slave owner and even described how to beat the slave.

1/12/2016 5:33:38 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  
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hell yes. no one own more slaves than christians

1/12/2016 5:44:16 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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In the Middle Ages Antisemitism in Europe was religious. Though not part of Roman Catholic dogma, many Christians, including members of the clergy, have held the Jewish people collectively responsible for killing Jesus, a practice originated by Melito of Sardis. As stated in the Boston College Guide to Passion Plays, "Over the course of time, Christians began to accept … that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for killing Jesus. According to this interpretation, both the Jews present at Jesus Christ's death and the Jewish people collectively and for all time, have committed the sin of deicide, or "god-killing". For 1900 years of Christian-Jewish history, the charge of deicide has led to hatred, violence against and murder of Jews in Europe and America."[3]

During the High Middle Ages in Europe there was full-scale persecution in many places, with blood libels, expulsions, forced conversions and massacres. An underlying source of prejudice against Jews in Europe was religious. Jews were frequently massacred and exiled from various European countries. The persecution hit its first peak during the Crusades. In the First Crusade (1096) flourishing communities on the Rhine and the Danube were utterly destroyed, a prime example being the Rhineland massacres. In the Second Crusade (1147) the Jews in France were subject to frequent massacres. The Jews were also subjected to attacks by the Shepherds' Crusades of 1251 and 1320. The Crusades were followed by expulsions, including in 1290, the banishing of all English Jews; in 1396, 100,000 Jews were expelled from France; and, in 1421 thousands were expelled from Austria. Many of the expelled Jews fled to Poland.[4]

As the Black Death epidemics devastated Europe in the mid-14th century, annihilating more than a half of the population, Jews were taken as scapegoats. Rumors spread that they caused the disease by deliberately poisoning wells. Hundreds of Jewish communities were destroyed by violence in the Black Death persecutions. Although Pope Clement VI tried to protect them by the July 6, 1348 papal bull and another 1348 bull, several months later, 900 Jews were burnt alive in Strasbourg, where the plague hadn't yet affected the city.[5]

In the Papal States, which existed until 1870, Jews were required to live only in specified neighborhoods called ghettos. Until the 1840s, they were required to regularly attend sermons urging their conversion to Christianity. Only Jews were taxed to support state boarding schools for Jewish converts to Christianity. It was illegal to convert from Christianity to Judaism. Sometimes Jews were baptized involuntarily, and, even when such baptisms were illegal, forced to practice the Christian religion. In many such cases the state separated them from their families, of which the Edgardo Mortara account is one of the most widely publicized instances of acrimony between Catholics and Jews in the Papal States in the second half of the 19th century.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews#Western_and_Christian_antisemitism

1/12/2016 6:08:55 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from olderthandirt20:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews#Western_and_Christian_antisemitism




In the Middle Ages Antisemitism in Europe was religious. Though not part of Roman Catholic dogma, many Christians, including members of the clergy, have held the Jewish people collectively responsible for killing Jesus, a practice originated by Melito of Sardis.


Wikipedia is wrong here. Catholic dogma specifically condemned Jews for Deicide, as Christ killers. It wasn't against just the Jews at the time of Jesus but the whole race of Jews. The catholic church held this position long after the Jewish Holocaust and revised it's doctrine in 1965. Catholic dogma is evil. It's a disgusting religion.

1/12/2016 6:20:32 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from aphrodisianus:
Wikipedia is wrong here. Catholic dogma specifically condemned Jews for Deicide, as Christ killers. It wasn't against just the Jews at the time of Jesus but the whole race of Jews. The catholic church held this position long after the Jewish Holocaust and revised it's doctrine in 1965. Catholic dogma is evil. It's a disgusting religion.


I believe what was meant was it was not official , just kind of unwritten dogma at first.
Like the Ku Klux Klan's secret handshake. OH there's another group of christian bigots for ya.

1/12/2016 6:32:53 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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These were some of the reasons why most Christians in Germany welcomed the rise of Nazism in 1933. They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, which read:

"We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state's existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good."


Despite the open antisemitism of this statement and its linkage between confessional "freedom" and a nationalistic, racialized understanding of morality, many Christians in Germany at the time read this as an affirmation of Christian values.

1/12/2016 6:51:10 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  
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hell yes. no one own more slaves than christians


That was really, really, really, f**king stupid.

1/12/2016 6:07:12 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Aphro iscwrong---Catholic doctrine has always insisted that tge Jews are not to be held collectively responsible for the death of Christ. The Catholic doctrine is that we all did, with our sins. We are all guilty of deicide. Which pope, council, or Church Father, Aphro, taught that the Jews are the only ones to be held responsible for Jesus' death?

1/13/2016 6:40:49 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Aphro iscwrong---Catholic doctrine has always insisted that tge Jews are not to be held collectively responsible for the death of Christ. The Catholic doctrine is that we all did, with our sins. We are all guilty of deicide. Which pope, council, or Church Father, Aphro, taught that the Jews are the only ones to be held responsible for Jesus' death?


I think you're glossing over a lot of the history of Christian/Catholic atrocities toward the Jews, but nevertheless, this is what The Urantia Book has to say about it:

STATUS OF INDIVIDUAL JEWS, Paper 175, section 2

175:2.1 The fact that the spiritual leaders and the religious teachers of the Jewish nation onetime rejected the teachings of Jesus and conspired to bring about his cruel death, does not in any manner affect the status of any individual Jew in his standing before God. And it should not cause those who profess to be followers of the Christ to be prejudiced against the Jew as a fellow mortal. The Jews, as a nation, as a sociopolitical group, paid in full the terrible price of rejecting the Prince of Peace. Long since they ceased to be the spiritual torchbearers of divine truth to the races of mankind, but this constitutes no valid reason why the individual descendants of these long-ago Jews should be made to suffer the persecutions which have been visited upon them by intolerant, unworthy, and bigoted professed followers of Jesus of Nazareth, who was, himself, a Jew by natural birth.

175:2.2 Many times has this unreasoning and un-Christlike hatred and persecution of modern Jews terminated in the suffering and death of some innocent and unoffending Jewish individual whose very ancestors, in the times of Jesus, heartily accepted his gospel and presently died unflinchingly for that truth which they so wholeheartedly believed. What a shudder of horror passes over the onlooking celestial beings as they behold the professed followers of Jesus indulge themselves in persecuting, harassing, and even murdering the later-day descendants of Peter, Philip, Matthew, and others of the Palestinian Jews who so gloriously yielded up their lives as the first martyrs of the gospel of the heavenly kingdom!

175:2.3 How cruel and unreasoning to compel innocent children to suffer for the sins of their progenitors, misdeeds of which they are wholly ignorant, and for which they could in no way be responsible! And to do such wicked deeds in the name of one who taught his disciples to love even their enemies! It has become necessary, in this recital of the life of Jesus, to portray the manner in which certain of his fellow Jews rejected him and conspired to bring about his ignominious death; but we would warn all who read this narrative that the presentation of such a historical recital in no way justifies the unjust hatred, nor condones the unfair attitude of mind, which so many professed Christians have maintained toward individual Jews for many centuries. Kingdom believers, those who follow the teachings of Jesus, must cease to mistreat the individual Jew as one who is guilty of the rejection and crucifixion of Jesus. The Father and his Creator Son have never ceased to love the Jews. God is no respecter of persons, and salvation is for the Jew as well as for the gentile.

1/14/2016 6:14:06 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Yas, are you aware that Popes Eugene IV, Pius II, Paul III, Urban VIII, Benedict XIV, Gregory XVI, and Leo XIII all condemned slavery? Did you know that anyone who engaged in the slave trade was automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church?



Check out this lud

1555: A Roman Catholic Papal bull, "Cum nimis absurdum," required Jews in Vatican controlled lands to wear badges, and be confined to ghettos. Over 3,000 people were crammed into about 8 acres of land. The public health problems were horrendous.


1205: Pope Innocent III wrote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris that "the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord...As slaves rejected by God, in whose death they wickedly conspire, they shall by the effect of this very action, recognize themselves as the slaves of those whom Christ's death set free..." i.e. they would be slaves of Christians.


1846 - 1878: Pope Pius IX restored all of the previous restrictions against the Jews within the Vatican state. All Jews under Papal control were confined to Rome's ghetto - the last one in Europe until the Nazis recreated ghettos in the 1930s. Pius IX was beatified in the year 2000 -- the last step before sainthood.

1/14/2016 7:53:36 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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We have this queer mentality , most likely a result of pure animal instinct . That makes us believe that dominance , is more than simple survival .

1/14/2016 6:27:35 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Perhaps rather than the original question which leads us into speculation about historical 'evidence' often written for alternative purposes than simple factual documentation I would like to rewrite the question.

CAN a modern day 2016 follower of Christ (no matter what denomination they came from, and no matter the errors of their forefathers) justify racism?

1/14/2016 6:52:00 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
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Of course they can.
when you consider the origin of all religions, they were written for a specific racial group, making them superior to all others.

1/14/2016 7:49:17 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Evidently they can,or at least they think they are.


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The True Invisible Empire Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan are an Order of the Highest Class for White Christian Men of Intelligence and Character. The Klan concedes no authority to anyone whatsoever to govern this nation not arising out of the Constitution as intended by the founders of this nation. Pretenders to authority, usurpers, and would-be despots shall never peacefully rule us - to this we swear.
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1/14/2016 10:12:10 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from d_voted:
Perhaps rather than the original question which leads us into speculation about historical 'evidence' often written for alternative purposes than simple factual documentation I would like to rewrite the question.

CAN a modern day 2016 follower of Christ (no matter what denomination they came from, and no matter the errors of their forefathers) justify racism?


People can, and will, justify anything if they have a mind to.

1/14/2016 10:30:26 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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ill have to say im not sure how they justify that behavior

1/15/2016 7:56:30 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Creatures being born with a brain , that tells them they are the most valuable thing in the universe , there is no truth to it whatsoever . They believe it , because it makes all complex life possible . They need energy , and they have the brain to steal it .

Not only to steal , but to understand , an environment that is about to rock their world .

1/15/2016 4:46:58 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

nonstandard
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Race was never a thing , until we made it a thing.

1/15/2016 6:24:14 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from nonstandard:
Race was never a thing , until we made it a thing.



Could different races be made by different Elohim(gods)?
Like different maker of shoes---
but shoes are shoes but different when made by different shoe makers?

1/15/2016 6:27:32 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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No.

1/15/2016 7:03:11 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from blake6972:
No.



Other gods like Marduk or Horus or Greek gods had No creations of humans ?


In Genesis it does say Elohim ---plural more than one or two and said let us make in our image and the Nehplim (misspelled I think) made hybrids--or demigods half human -half a son of god? What is the difference between Nephlim and an angel ---are angels sons of G-d-god?

1/16/2016 5:57:43 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from Stillherehaha:
Other gods like Marduk or Horus or Greek gods had No creations of humans ?


In Genesis it does say Elohim ---plural more than one or two and said let us make in our image and the Nehplim (misspelled I think) made hybrids--or demigods half human -half a son of god? What is the difference between Nephlim and an angel ---are angels sons of G-d-god?


There are lots of "sons of God," and angels are among them. However angels and Nephilim are not the same. Angels are created perfect spiritual beings.

The Nephilim, or "Nodites" as The Urantia Book calls them, are the descendants of supernatural beings who came here with the Devil and assumed human form and then mated with the locals producing the " giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4

1/16/2016 7:52:08 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
Yasureoktoo
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Most of the world religions, independent of each other, have the people on earth mating with the Gods.
However most of them, describe the Gods in spaceships.

1/16/2016 9:25:06 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
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No

1/16/2016 9:56:49 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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How (after you change the question) do you define "follower of christ"?
I have noticed many christians denounce many other christians until it only includes a narrow definition that closely resembles the speaker's thoughts?
I choose to call anyone who thinks he/she is following gods wishes.
It's funny that christianity claims a majority in the u.s. but listening to the christians in this forum deny other christians it winds up to only having 27 people who are true christians.

1/16/2016 11:01:22 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
Yasureoktoo
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Mario Andretti, is both a Christian and a racist.

1/17/2016 12:37:42 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from olderthandirt20:
How (after you change the question) do you define "follower of christ"?
I have noticed many christians denounce many other christians until it only includes a narrow definition that closely resembles the speaker's thoughts?
I choose to call anyone who thinks he/she is following gods wishes.
It's funny that christianity claims a majority in the u.s. but listening to the christians in this forum deny other christians it winds up to only having 27 people who are true christians.


That's exactly right.

1/17/2016 2:50:12 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Of course Mario Andretti is a race-ist! (sorry, I couldn't resist)

1/17/2016 10:13:03 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from Stillherehaha:
Could different races be made by different Elohim(gods)?
Like different maker of shoes---
but shoes are shoes but different when made by different shoe makers?


Most definitely . We create systems at odds with our natural environment . We want to believe we're more than where we come from . This mentality creates people that want to hurt people .

All atrocities are created by people who believe in a world created by us . They know nothing of a world that created us .

1/21/2016 11:46:11 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Ignorance comes in all forms.

1/21/2016 3:16:57 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
How (after you change the question) do you define "follower of christ"?
I have noticed many christians denounce many other christians until it only includes a narrow definition that closely resembles the speaker's thoughts?
I choose to call anyone who thinks he/she is following gods wishes.
It's funny that christianity claims a majority in the u.s. but listening to the christians in this forum deny other christians it winds up to only having 27 people who are true christians.


A Christian is a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

There are many Christian denominations.

All Christian denominations do not have the same doctrine.

None of this means that any one denomination is right or wrong. It just means they believe differently. In this country (United States) the citizens have the freedom of religion and the freedom to choose how they believe.

They are all still followers of Christ and children of God.

1/21/2016 3:34:35 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Tell that to the guys who say so & so isn't a real christian because he/she is catholic or baptist or LDS or FLDS etc.

It happens all the time in here.



[Edited 1/21/2016 3:35:24 PM ]

1/21/2016 3:39:34 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
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Quote from olderthandirt20:
Tell that to the guys who say so & so isn't a real christian because he/she is catholic or baptist or LDS or FLDS etc.

It happens all the time in here.


Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Education is mandated.

1/21/2016 5:18:18 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Then you teach them, it isn't my religion.

1/21/2016 5:52:42 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Lolololololololololololololololo

1/23/2016 7:31:56 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from cupocheer:
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Education is mandated.


Nature had laws , long before we showed up .

1/26/2016 1:01:18 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Obviously anyone can be racist, regardless of what affiliation or label they claim (or have placed upon them).

As to racism in Christianity...

Part of "The Bible" is the "old testament", or history of the Israelites, and canon of "Judaism".
In the history of the tribe of Abraham's descendants, there does appear to be a great emphasis upon lineage, and segregation between the "Israelites" and others.
But...members of the tribe were allowed to marry women from other cultures. And the women, and the subsequent progeny, were then considered members of the tribe. So it does not seem as though the separation was by "race", but rather by adherence to the theology and customs of the the tribe (much like many NA tribes, in more modern history).

And as far as the one we know as "Jesus of Nazareth", whose life and death is the basis of "Christianity", I would say that the parable of the good Samaritan is an injunction against prejudice, period.



[Edited 1/26/2016 1:02:11 PM ]

1/26/2016 8:39:36 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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A Christian is a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

:


that would make me a Christian then. I've lived my life in a manner that would make jesus proud. I just doubt that he is the son of a god or that his mother was a virgin.

1/26/2016 9:46:28 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
cupocheer
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No.

1/28/2016 12:08:48 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from cupocheer:
No.


Damn , have a heart .

1/28/2016 12:14:10 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

nonstandard
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Jesus had a story to tell , and I'd trust the prostitutes , and thieves , over the nemesis he died trying to defeat .

1/28/2016 11:37:19 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
cupocheer
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The Bible says God and Jesus hate racism therefore a Christian cannot be a racist.

1/29/2016 10:57:26 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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The Bible doesn't specifically say that, but it can be deuced from "love thy neighbor" and from Jesus' command to the apostles to go and preach the gospel to all nations.

1/29/2016 11:05:38 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

nonstandard
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They were shit before he came along , and now they think they're the shit , because he came along ,

2/2/2016 1:33:55 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

miss_kemia
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god, shut up.

2/2/2016 2:26:31 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

w6o6l6f_1
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Evangelicals can be racist.
A true Christian can not.

2/2/2016 6:08:17 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

aphrodisianus
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Jesus himself was a racist and calling them dogs. A real shithead.

2/2/2016 2:59:22 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

ludlowlowell
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Jesus called non-Jews dogs because practically all non-Jews of His day worshipped a pantheon of gods instead of the one true God. It had nothing to do with race.

2/2/2016 3:06:01 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  
clarence2
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus called non-Jews dogs because practically all non-Jews of His day worshipped a pantheon of gods instead of the one true God. It had nothing to do with race.

You mean he called people dogs from religious bigotry, not racism?



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2/2/2016 5:53:32 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Quote from clarence2:
.Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus called non-Jews dogs because practically all non-Jews of His day worshipped a pantheon of gods instead of the one true God. It had nothing to do with race.


Clarence: You mean he called people dogs from religious bigotry, not racism?


Jesus never called anyone a dog or dogs. The bible account is in error. Here is the true story:

THE SYRIAN WOMAN

156:1.1 There lived near the home of Karuska, where the Master lodged, a Syrian woman who had heard much of Jesus as a great healer and teacher, and on this Sabbath afternoon she came over, bringing her little daughter. The child, about twelve years old, was afflicted with a grievous nervous disorder characterized by convulsions and other distressing manifestations.

156:1.2 Jesus had charged his associates to tell no one of his presence at the home of Karuska, explaining that he desired to have a rest. While they had obeyed their Master’s instructions, the servant of Karuska had gone over to the house of this Syrian woman, Norana, to inform her that Jesus lodged at the home of her mistress and had urged this anxious mother to bring her afflicted daughter for healing. This mother, of course, believed that her child was possessed by a demon, an unclean spirit.

156:1.3 When Norana arrived with her daughter, the Alpheus twins explained through an interpreter that the Master was resting and could not be disturbed; whereupon Norana replied that she and the child would remain right there until the Master had finished his rest. Peter also endeavored to reason with her and to persuade her to go home. He explained that Jesus was weary with much teaching and healing, and that he had come to Phoenicia for a period of quiet and rest. But it was futile; Norana would not leave. To Peter’s entreaties she replied only: “I will not depart until I have seen your Master. I know he can cast the demon out of my child, and I will not go until the healer has looked upon my daughter.”

156:1.4 Then Thomas sought to send the woman away but met only with failure. To him she said: “I have faith that your Master can cast out this demon which torments my child. I have heard of his mighty works in Galilee, and I believe in him. What has happened to you, his disciples, that you would send away those who come seeking your Master’s help?” And when she had thus spoken, Thomas withdrew.

156:1.5 Then came forward Simon Zelotes to remonstrate with Norana. Said Simon: “Woman, you are a Greek-speaking gentile. It is not right that you should expect the Master to take the bread intended for the children of the favored household and cast it to the dogs.” But Norana refused to take offense at Simon’s thrust. She replied only: “Yes, teacher, I understand your words. I am only a dog in the eyes of the Jews, but as concerns your Master, I am a believing dog. I am determined that he shall see my daughter, for I am persuaded that, if he shall but look upon her, he will heal her. And even you, my good man, would not dare to deprive the dogs of the privilege of obtaining the crumbs which chance to fall from the children’s table.”

156:1.6 At just this time the little girl was seized with a violent convulsion before them all, and the mother cried out: “There, you can see that my child is possessed by an evil spirit. If our need does not impress you, it would appeal to your Master, who I have been told loves all men and dares even to heal the gentiles when they believe. You are not worthy to be his disciples. I will not go until my child has been cured.”

156:1.7 Jesus, who had heard all of this conversation through an open window, now came outside, much to their surprise, and said: “O woman, great is your faith, so great that I cannot withhold that which you desire; go your way in peace. Your daughter already has been made whole.” And the little girl was well from that hour. As Norana and the child took leave, Jesus entreated them to tell no one of this occurrence; and while his associates did comply with this request, the mother and the child ceased not to proclaim the fact of the little girl’s healing throughout all the countryside and even in Sidon, so much so that Jesus found it advisable to change his lodgings within a few days.

156:1.8 The next day, as Jesus taught his apostles, commenting on the cure of the daughter of the Syrian woman, he said: “And so it has been all the way along; you see for yourselves how the gentiles are able to exercise saving faith in the teachings of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Verily, verily, I tell you that the Father’s kingdom shall be taken by the gentiles if the children of Abraham are not minded to show faith enough to enter therein.” -The Urantia Book

2/2/2016 7:17:56 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

jrbogie1949
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thikin' maybe a hundred million or so native americans were killed mostly by racist xtians.

2/2/2016 7:43:50 PM Can a Christian be a racist?  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Jesus called non-Jews dogs because practically all non-Jews of His day worshipped a pantheon of gods instead of the one true God. It had nothing to do with race.


Lud, you're a retard.

2/3/2016 7:49:58 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

nonstandard
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Racism , and all prejudice , is a manifestation of basic animal instinct .

Each creature , in its own mind , is the center of its universe . Similarities bring items of its environment , closer to its ideal living arrangements . Differences are viewed as unnecessary , unwanted , and often frightening .

We are human , but we were beasts first .

2/3/2016 10:57:51 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

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Racism is a result of original sin and is a sin of pride. Surely if Adam and Eve had not sinned, their children would not have the foolish prideful notion that people of one skin tone were superior to people of some other skin tone.

2/3/2016 11:05:18 AM Can a Christian be a racist?  

nonstandard
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Racism is a result of original sin and is a sin of pride. Surely if Adam and Eve had not sinned, their children would not have the foolish prideful notion that people of one skin tone were superior to people of some other skin tone.


C'mon , I love you , but love only goes so far .