Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?

10/2/2013 7:29:34 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	Back in 1992, Wyatt’s “Noah’s Ark” claim (see This is not the Ark of Noah) was subject to a thorough investigative exposé in this magazine: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v14/n4/special-report-amazing-ark-expose The 13-page report told of how this ministry had checked the claims, even ringing the lab staff that had done the analyses, for instance. Sadly, though we would have been delighted if this really were the Ark, we found almost all the specific claims to be untrue and/or misleading. The results of detailed analysis of this site, including mapping, magnetometer surveys,6 drill-core sampling, and more, enable any geologist to be able to diagnose with certainty the exact nature of this geological object. The “discoverers” have since produced a rebuttal, convincing only to those who have misunderstood or not carefully read our article. They quote as support the well-known creationist scientist Dr John Baumgardner (right), but in fact he long ago decided that this “find” was a geological formation. They also appeal to the late marine engineer David Fasold. Fasold, who had repeatedly rejected biblical authority, did originally think it was a boat, but towards his life’s end co-authored an article in a geology journal supporting its true nature. When questioned about Baumgardner’s retraction, Wyatt has claimed that it was made for fear of losing his job. Yet Baumgardner has been known as a “full-on” creationist in his job and community for years, and had no difficulty agreeing to our publishing an interview with him in 1997. At that time, he told us that Wyatt’s claims about himself were as “bogus” as Wyatt’s claims about the “Ark site.” http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v21/n2/has-ark-of-the-covenant-been-found Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
10/2/2013 8:38:18 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	Indeed,even Wyatt's fellow evangelicals have also been critical and even Answers in Genesis called Wyatt's claims "fraudulent." Here is a direct quote from Ken Ham's website,answersingenesis.org "The Wyatt/Gray claims are truly astonishing (see Amazing claims). Unfortunately, reputable Bible-believing archaeologists and other experts willing and capable of giving an objective assessment are never able to check out the claimed artifacts. There is generally a plausible-sounding story as to why that is impossible, or why the time is not right. The alleged finding of the Ark of the Covenant (see also The Ark of the Covenant—could it even be found?) is associated with claims of supernatural intervention, photographs mysteriously getting fogged or vanishing, and “Men in Black” style government cover-ups. Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses.4 If, however, a careful examination of just one or two of these claims reveals them to be false, fanciful or fraudulent, the “divine leading” option evaporates, and it is clear that Christians are being seriously misled."
10/2/2013 8:44:49 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	Ron Wyatt, the “Indiana Jones” of the SDA Church By Wayne Jackson Ron Wyatt (1933-1999) was a nurse-anesthetist in a hospital in Madison, Tennessee. At the age of 27 he saw a picture in Life Magazine of the Durupinar site — a large natural, boat-shaped formation — in eastern Turkey. Feverish speculation circulated that this could be the residue of Noah’s Ark. This sparked Wyatt’s interest, and was the beginning of a long amateur career as a sensationalist pseudo-archaeologist. For the last 22 years of his life he made numerous trips to the Middle East. The claims associated with his “discoveries” would make Harrison Ford’s “Indiana Jones” pale into oblivion. Yet today, more than a decade after his death, the ongoing boasts of his unparalleled “finds” are heralded via the Wyatt Archaeological Research web site, and the various competing factions that publicize his exploits. His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars. On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement: “Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them” Wyatt’s religious affiliation was with the Seventh-day Adventist sect. Ironically, the most thorough exposé of the gentleman’s claims was produced by two scholars of his own denomination, Russell R. and Colin D. Standish. The Standish brothers were identical twins who were from New South Wales, Australia. Russell (who died in 2008) was a physician, hospital administrator, and a medical missionary; Colin is the founder and president of Hartland College in Virginia. Both were ordained as ministers in the conservative branch of SDA church. They have been prolific writers, co-authoring numerous books, among which is Holy Relics or Revelation – Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated (hereafter designated as HRR). Alleged Discoveries According to the aforementioned book, Wyatt discovered or identified some ninety-two relics or sites (HRR, 7-10). These include: Noah’s Home and a Flood-inscription at that site, Fences from Noah’s farm, Anchor Stones from Noah’s Ark, laminated Deck Timber from the Ark, Noah’s Altar, Tombs with Tombstones of Noah and his wife, the precise location of the Red Sea Crossing, Wheels from Egyptian Chariots involved in the pursuit of the Israelites from Egypt, the Book of the Law written by Moses on Animal Skins, Gold from the Golden Calf fashioned by Aaron, the Ark of the Covenant, Tables of the Ten Commandments, the Tabernacle’s Table of the Showbread, Goliath’s Sword, Jesus’ Tomb and the Stone Seal of the Tomb, a sampling of Christ’s Dried Blood, proving the doctrine of the Virgin Birth by means of a “chromosome count,” etc. If all the claims of Wyatt were true, he would be the most celebrated archaeologist in the history of that scholastic discipline! And yet he had no scientific credibility at all with respectable scholars; he was and is adored only by a band of deluded, though devoted, cultic disciples.
10/2/2013 8:53:37 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	Serious Problems In this brief review of the Standish brothers’ book, we offer two devastating examples of the hoaxes perpetrated by Ron Wyatt. Actually, the ninety-plus examples, touted by Wyatt and his followers, is a “house of cards” that falls under the weight of its own absurdity! Consider the following two most sensational examples. Bones and Chariot Wheels Wyatt claimed to have discovered the exact place where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea on dry ground, before the waters returned and drowned Pharaoh’s forces. He contended that he explored the floor of the Gulf of Aqaba, using scuba gear. Supposedly, he discovered “chariot litter” in the form of wheels, body frames, and the bones of both humans and horses, scattered over a lengthy area. Several things may be said of this claim (HRR, 184ff). First, the site of the exodus route, as described in Exodus 14:1ff, is highly disputed. The three specific sites mentioned in Moses’ record (v. 2) “have been lost in the sands of time” (Bruckner, 2008, 129). No one knows the precise place of the crossing. Conservative scholarship strongly argues that Israel crossed the Gulf of Suez (Vos, 2003, 104ff), and not the Gulf of Aqaba, as Wyatt contended. Second, Wyatt claimed that he was using simple recreational scuba equipment when he discovered these wheels, etc., at a depth of some 200 feet in the Gulf. However, ordinary scuba apparatus is designed to accommodate only a depth of approximately 125-130 feet. Beyond this more sophisticated equipment is required. Third, Pharaoh’s army was said to have been destroyed “in the middle of the sea” (Exodus 14:23) which, according to measurements of the British Admiralty, is almost 2,800 feet deep in the midst of Aqaba. This hardly harmonizes with Wyatt’s 200 feet “discoveries”! Then there is the issue of the “bones” — of both horses and men — that Wyatt reputedly found. Recall that the destruction of Pharaoh’s army took place about 3,500 years ago. Compare this with the following facts. The Titanic went down in 1912 and 1,553 people were lost in the wreckage. In 1985, 73 years following that Atlantic catastrophe, the submerged vessel was discovered and explored. Specially designed underwater TV and video equipment was employed; in addition, more than 53,000 photos were taken. The remains of not a solitary person — neither skin nor bone — was found. Everything had been completely consumed by fish, crustaceans, and the destructive effect of salt water (HRR, 179ff). After their extensive investigations, the Standish brothers declared that no chariot wheels, or remains of human or horse bones found in the Gulf of Aqaba, were ever submitted to scientific authorities for examination and testing (HRR, 283-284). In spite of this fact, the Wyatt Museum web site states: “Ron actually retrieved a hub of a wheel which had the remains of 8 spokes radiating outward from it.” In fact, he claimed to have found wheels with 4, 6, and 8 spokes! One authority suggests that the video tape Wyatt employed to show these underwater “artifacts” appears to be a hoax; he challenged him to subject the items to a C14 dating test — if indeed he ever had an actual sample of anything (Zias, op. cit.). The Blood of Christ Allegation The problems associated with Wyatt’s alleged discoveries are astronomical — beyond one’s ability to calculate. Take, for example, the claim that he located a residue of the dried blood of Christ that had dripped on to the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, located within a cave associated with Solomon’s original Temple in Jerusalem. One of Wyatt’s defenders claims samples were taken and returned to Nashville, Tennessee where Wyatt had the “blood” analyzed in a hospital laboratory. On another occasion, in an interview with Russell Standish, Wyatt claimed that the samples were studied in a laboratory in Jerusalem. The contradiction is glaring. Where was the lab? Are there remaining samples, since the claim was made that copious amounts of blood had flowed down? Where are the test records? Can other samples be retrieved? Is there any evidence at all of such a discovery? Why was the evidence never brought forth for critical and scientific examination? One explanation was that the Israeli authorities did not want the story released because the location of the Ark of the Covenant was very close to one of Islam’s most sacred sites, and the announcement might possibly precipitate a violent conflict between Jewish zealots and Moslems. At the same time, however, Wyatt was “blabbing” the story of the discovery in Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand (HRR, 5, 55, 89), with no apparent censure from the Israeli government! The fact is, Joe Zias of the Israel Antiquities Department (as referenced above) “provided full authority for the public release of the report on Wyatt’s blood samples” (HRR, 90). Elsewhere Wyatt claimed that an “angel prohibited” him from providing the details of his phenomenal discovery! (HRR, 70, 90, 285). There also were other accounts of “angelic” appearances, and even a claim of seeing Christ (HRR, 127ff). Incidentally, the reason Wyatt knew he saw Jesus was because the Lord “was dressed exactly as Ellen White [the so-called ‘prophetess’ of the early SDA movement] saw Him in vision, with the blue border at the hem of his garment”! Conclusion No rational person is under obligation to accept the assertions of Wyatt in the absence of credible proof. Rather, it was his duty to provide concrete evidence for observation and testing of the claims made. He never did. His boasts were wholly spurious. Those interested in further investigating the truth about Ron Wyatt should obtain a copy Holy Relics or Revelation (Hartland Publications, Box 1, Rapidan, VA 22733).
10/2/2013 9:13:30 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
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10/2/2013 9:53:54 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	The following is a personal account from a SDA friend of Ron Wyatt that also joined Wyatt's digging team in East Jerusalem. ARCHEOLOGY WITH RON WYATT: a personal account Large numbers of sincere, truth-seeking believers have been impressed, even excited, by the reports of remarkable discoveries by Ron Wyatt in ancient Bible lands. Even some well-informed students of scripture have been persuaded that there is genuine merit in Mr. Wyatt's findings. On the other hand there are scholars who take the opposite view, and dismiss his views as unsupported by hard evidence, not deserving serious consideration. I am reporting here my own personal experience with Mr.Wyatt, in the hope this will shed some light on his style and his trustworthiness as an observer. While my acquaintance with him led me to reject his archaeological findings, I persist in dealing gently with him as a well-intentioned person and as a Christian. At the outset I should say that I knew Wyatt well, and had an up-close opportunity to evaluate his claims and his personal credibility. This happened in the late 1980's, when I joined Wyatt's digging team in East Jerusalem, expecting he would lead us to the underground cavern in which he had personally seen--so he had assured me--the gold-overlaid holy furniture from Solomon's Temple. It had been hidden there, he said, by the priests during the Babylonian siege in 586 BC. As he told it, it was a gripping story, and somewhat believable to someone with a romantic bent. It wasn't hard to imagine the senior Levites, foreseeing the imminent collapse of Jerusalem's defenses, plotting to hide the precious furnishings, during midnight darkness, in a secret cavern in the no-man's land outside the city walls. Wyatt not only constructed this story: he claimed he had found the cavern. I had first met him, many months before, in the Hotel Ararat in Dogubeyazit, at the foot of Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey. The hotel's humble foyer was buzzing with the comings and goings of men hunting for Noah's Ark. Amongst them all, Wyatt stood out, a tall impressive bearded figure, striding around with great self-assurance. He had in his hands a sheaf of large photographs showing his preferred site for the Ark, and he had the most persuasive story to back up his assertions. He had, I learned, a Seventh-day Adventist background, similar to my own, with a high view of scripture, so I felt inclined to listen respectfully to his story. Furthermore in real work-a-day life back home he was a nurse anesthetist, with interests similar to my own in anesthesiology. So we had some natural common ground. And at this first meeting I listened to his views, but kept an open mind. Many months later Wyatt suddenly turned up in my town, Redlands. He phoned me and I invited him for an update chat. It was then that he told me the story of his surreptitious exploration of caves in the rear corner of the Garden Tomb, and of his penetration to a point from which, with a flashlight, he could see the holy furniture. He had kept this heart-stopping finding a secret for all the intervening months until he could gather funding and recruit some Christian colleagues to join him. They would be the work force that would open up the cavern and bring to the light of day the most extraordinary artifacts of all history. Would I be willing to join the team? What could I say to an invitation like this? Was this serious archeology, or was it an Indiana Jones adventure? Was Wyatt's story believable? Or was it pure fabrication, making him a fraud? Here he was, looking fully into my face and telling me concrete details of what he himself had done and seen some 18 months before. .... Reassured, I flew to Jerusalem. Wyatt met me at Lod airport, and drove me to join the rest of the team assembled at their small hotel near the Damascus Gate.... Our team proceeded to the Garden Tomb, whose custodians were expecting our arrival. Wyatt had negotiated cordially and successfully with them. With an assortment of gardening tools we set to work, moving a large pile of rubble and rock which had accumulated where Wyatt had probed earlier. Over several days we were able to excavate our way down into the same cave system that Wyatt had explored two years before. I'm sorry to report that in the end we came up empty-handed. The connecting channel through which Wyatt had claimed to see the furniture was not there. On the final day of excavation, when we could not see the internal cavern landmarks that Wyatt had predicted, Ron himself finally climbed down into the dim space. After a long time he emerged, looking confused. As we waited respectfully to hear his report, he mumbled a few words like: "It's not the same; it's changed. It's not the way I remember it." There was no opening to be seen, giving a view into an adjacent cavern. There was nothing. In the process of our digging we had come up with a few interesting little objects from Roman times, but they were irrelevant to our main goal.
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casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	continued Our team was disappointed, puzzled, disillusioned. We had enjoyed ten days of close fellowship, with daily shared prayer times, and an excited anticipation of momentous events just before us. Now all those hopes came crashing down. And sadly, Wyatt was not man enough to come clean, to apologize for bringing us on a wild goose chase, or to attempt any kind of explanation. We kept expecting some sort of statement, but he just remained silent, withdrawn. And we were too stunned, and perhaps too sorry for him in his confusion, to demand that he explain. To this day I cannot give a rational account for the extreme misguidedness that Wyatt revealed. What was happening in his head? He goeds on to say: He had misled us terribly, and had offered no words of regret or apology or explanation. I have reviewed the whole story many times since then, and am convinced that the church administrator was right: Wyatt might be mistaken, but he himself believed that what he had originally shared was true. From medical school I remember hearing of a rare state of mind, with a long Latin name, that led its victims to concoct marvelously detailed accounts of events that were pure fabrications, yet which the story-teller himself had come to believe were absolutely true. I am inclined to believe that Wyatt was a florid example of this disorder. He was not a deliberate liar, a fraud. And some of his observations had merit. But I am convinced that some of his "discoveries" were matters which underwent transcription in his mind, and he came to believe as true certain ideas and observations that in fact were his own inventions. This opinion became confirmed in my mind some time after the Jerusalem expedition. Wyatt was trying to convince everyone of the validity of his site for Noah's Ark. And in trying to convince me, he described some extraordinary details of the rock-and-earth formation that he believed gives us an outline of the Ark. He told me of probing with a tool into the earthen mound, and breaking into a cavity in which he could see--actually see--the remains of corroded metal "brackets" that he presumed were part of the Ark's construction. This description caught my attention--all of it. If Wyatt's report was factual, then we should get serious about his site for the Ark. But was Wyatt a trustworthy observer and reporter? Months later I followed up on this story, referring to my long-time friend John Baumgardner, who had personally visited Wyatt's Ark site, and had subjected the whole area to minute scrutiny, including a survey with penetrating radar. When I described to John the eyewitness report of Wyatt, he simply laughed and dismissed the whole thing. He assured me, beyond any doubt, that the Ark site under study revealed no cavitation as described by Wyatt, and that the description given to me was entirely a fabrication. So there you have it. I am a long-time member of the S.D.A. fraternity, and have a high regard for Scripture and for handling its text in a responsible way. I am embarrassed that Wyatt, who identified himself with my community of faith, should turn out to be an unreliable witness to important archaeological data. I cannot put any confidence in his opinions, his assertions, or his declared eyewitness reports. It was through some quirk of mental dysfunction that he came himself to believe as true certain facts and stories that were his own inventions. .... I must add one further cautionary note. Wyatt was a persuasive talker, and succeeded in firing the imaginations of many good people in church pews. But I do not know of any S.D.A. scholar who has given him serious favorable attention. He is an embarrassment to them. I have had some correspondence with Jim Pinkoski,* who was an ardent supporter. I have had no contact with Jonathan Gray; my friends and colleagues in Australia describe him as a publicity man, perhaps devoted as much to profit as to truth. Wyatt's claims have been reviewed and critiqued exhaustively by Drs.Colin and Russell Standish, who published a book on these matters, and also by Dr. David Pennington. These critics are in Australia; they all conclude that his claims and conclusions are in serious error. Now you can understand why I have laid aside the claims of Ron Wyatt, and only speak my views when a respected colleague turns up with a curious interest. I feel an obligation to help people hear a balanced first-hand report. At the same time I remain grateful to this extraordinary but flawed fellow-pilgrim for opening for me a door into some memorable adventures. * Correspondence: Randall Price and Jim Pinkoski --- Bernard Brandstater --- [email protected] [Edited 10/2/2013 9:57:56 PM ]
10/2/2013 11:55:58 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	Ron Wyatt is well known for his Bible-related pseudoarchaeology which includes the chariot wheels in the Red Sea Hoax. Ron Wyatt had a habit of arriving at sweeping conclusions based on no evidence. He quickly jumped from hypothesis to unquestionable religious conviction. Two of the wilder examples were his claim to have found the Cave of MachPelah in Hebron and his claim to have found the Ark of the Covenant in an underground tunnel in Jerusalem. His claims led to severe criticism, most notably from Christian circles !!!!!! Simply put,his claims have been dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, and even by leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church for pete sakes. And heck, even Ken Ham and Carl Wieland assert outright that he was a fraud. And yes,the chariot wheels in the Red Sea hoax is at least as old as the charlatan Ron Wyatt. There are a wide array of sites, some explicitly by Christians, focused on exposing the lies and deceptions perpetrated by this individual. Dr. Jim Fleming, founder and former director of the Jerusalem Center for Biblical Studies (located at Tantur) and an editorial advisor to Biblical Archaeology Review stated that while at a dig at Mount Calvary he observed at close hand Wyatt's methods, claiming in one incident that he had discovered the Ark based on nothing more than the reading of an ordinary metal detector. Others have noted similar instances.For example, John Woods, a Christian pastor, said “I saw him explaining to a group that a piece of metal embedded in the face of the Garden Tomb was part of the seal Pilate had placed upon the tomb. In fact it was a piece of shrapnel from the war (the Six-Day War of 1967)" Meanwhile That others have come along to try to profit from similar claims is unsurprising. That frauds can be exposed and have no effect on people’s willingness to believe is, however, disturbing.
10/3/2013 1:15:09 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from casheyesblond: Dr. Jim Fleming, founder and former director of the Jerusalem Center for Biblical Studies (located at Tantur) and an editorial advisor to Biblical Archaeology Review stated that while at a dig at Mount Calvary he observed at close hand Wyatt's methods, claiming in one incident that he had discovered the Ark based on nothing more than the reading of an ordinary metal detector. Others have noted similar instances.For example, John Woods, a Christian pastor, said “I saw him explaining to a group that a piece of metal embedded in the face of the Garden Tomb was part of the seal Pilate had placed upon the tomb. In fact it was a piece of shrapnel from the war (the Six-Day War of 1967)"
10/4/2013 12:57:11 AM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	During his first visit to Nuweiba in 1978 he found a large column lying on the beach that looked like an ancient artifact. Later he found that it had been set up by Egyptian authorities in concrete for display. He believed it to be a marker set up by King Solomon to note the crossing of the Red Sea. --------------- www.cults.co.nz with the following about Patterson and Wyatt: "Con artist/scam. Ron Wyatt (deceased – born 1933, died 4 August 1999) was a self-styled “Indiana Jones” of biblical archaeology. He has been described as a “professional con man” for his false and self-aggrandizing claims of having discovered all sorts of things like Noah’s Ark, Mrs Noah’s grave (with a fortune in treasure), anchor/drogue stones from Noah’s Ark, the real location of the Ark of the Covenant, the real site of Sodom and Gomorrah, the real Mt Sinai, a genuine sample of Jesus Christ’s blood with a DNA test showing he didn’t have an earthly father (and the cells began dividing when placed in growth medium), and so on. Between 1977 and 1999 Ron Wyatt took over 100 trips to the Middle East – an indication of the amount of money to be made promoting his false claims. All his claims have been found to be either quite bogus or completely lacking evidence, but have been spread in New Zealand by the sale of books, video tapes and a speaking tour by Jonathan Gray. More recently Ron Wyatt’s claims are now promoted in New Zealand by Ross Patterson and Daniel McKibben."
10/4/2013 10:04:11 AM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	From the site on Wyatt Usurp: http://www.cults.co.nz/w.php probably the most incredible scam I have ever seen. ... WAR (Wyatt Archaeological Research) is a Christian con game. Ron Wyatt is either very psychologically ill or one of the greatest liars I have ever come across. ... This scam had its beginning as early as 25 years ago. It is still going on, ever increasing in deception. Many leaders in the Christian community know it is a lie, yet they keep their mouths shut either because they do not want people to know they fell for it, or because they made money themselves from it, or because they are running a small version of a scam themselves and just don't want people to get too disgusted with things like this because it might shut down their little scam. Gary Amirault went on to do even more Off Siteinvestigation, including the way people's quotes have been misused: I have telephone interviewed most of the people on WAR's Noah's Ark video. Not one single person I spoke with on that video presently believes that Ron Wyatt's site is Noah's Ark. Some are outraged that Wyatt is still using film clips which make them look like they are substantiating Wyatt's claims when, in fact, the opposite is the case. ... they no longer believe it is Noah's Ark. They believe it is a natural geological formation. As to the so-called discoveries on Ron Wyatt's video entitled "Presentation of Discoveries," those interviewed whom Ron Wyatt presented with his "facts" put little or no archaeological value on any of the material. "Fraud" was the word most often used when discussing these so-called discoveries. Read the letters from archaeologists within Ron Wyatt's own denomination, Seventh Day Adventist, and you will see that even those who would have an interest in substantiating Ron Wyatt's claims find little or no scientific evidence to support any of these discoveries. In 1992 Answers in Genesis investigated the evidence and thoroughly refuted any idea that the site is or ever was Noah's Ark. From the Off SiteAnswers in Genesis special report: True/False? Radar shows man-made (boat) structure..........FALSE There is a regular metallic pattern............FALSE Lab tests show petrified laminated wood........FALSE Turkish scientists found metal rods............FALSE Metal artefacts have been proved by lab........FALSE There are ‘ship’s ribs’ showing................FALSE There is lots of petrified wood................FALSE Turkish Commission says ‘it’s a boat...........FALSE
10/4/2013 9:11:50 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/06/30/ron-wyatt-collosal-fraud/ Ron Wyatt: Collosal Fraud And out come the wingnuts. Here’s the email I just received from someone named James Albright: Dear Ed, Noah’s ark was discovered by Ron Wyatt, whose ministry is named Wyatt Archeological Research. The news media is only taking attention away from the real ark through your ministry. Please stop this approach in the name of Jesus. Thank you. Bro. James D Albright Oi vey. Are there people out there who still take Ron Wyatt seriously? Con men simply don’t get much more transparent than this guy. Wyatt was a nurse anesthetist (now deceased) who claimed not only to have found Noah’s Ark, but to have found virtually everything in Biblical archaeology that might be important to Christians – Noah’s Ark, the exact place where the Red Sea was parted to allow the Israelites to escape Egypt, the true location of Mt. Sinai, the Ark of the Covenant and, most ridiculously, the actual blood of Jesus Christ! This last one is the most amusing of them all. He claims to have found the Ark of the Covenant in Jerusalem in a secret cave under the actual spot where Christ was crucified, and it had Jesus’ blood all over it (the blood had dripped down from the cross). Whilst in the chamber, Ron noticed a dried, black substance in an earthquake crack in the roof, above the Ark of the Covenant. He noticed that this black substance was also on the lid of the cracked stone casing. Obviously, this substance had dripped from the crack in the roof, and provision had been made for it to land on the Ark of the Covenant, as the stone lid had been cracked and moved aside. Ron wondered what substance could be so sacred, that God made provision for it to land on the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant. He remembered the earthquake crack at the foot of the cross hole, and suddenly an awesome realization as to what had happened, came over him. Ron traced the earthquake crack, and indeed it was the same crack as the one at the cross hole. The dried black substance in the crack was tested and proved to be blood, apparently the blood of Jesus Christ. The Bible says that when Jesus died there was an earthquake and the rocks were rent (Matt. 27:51). A Roman soldier speared Christ in His side in order to make sure He was dead, and blood and water poured out (John 19:34). Ron discovered that this same blood and water poured down through the earthquake crack and fell upon the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant. Since the blood was dried, he had it rehydrated and then, allegedly, had it tested (where are those tests? No one seems to know – surprise, surprise). And here’s the result: Human cells normally have 46 chromosomes. These are actually 23 pairs of homologous chromosomes. In each pair of chromosomes, one of the pair is from the mother and the other member is from the father. Therefore, 23 chromosomes come from the mother and 23 from the father. In each set of 23, 22 chromosomes are autosomal and one is sex-determining. The sex-determining ones are the X chromosome and the Y chromosome. Females are XX, so they can only contribute an X chromosome to their offspring, whereas males are XY, which allows them to contribute either an X or a Y. If they contribute an X, the child is female, whereas if they contribute a Y, the child is male. The fascinating finding in this blood was that instead of 46 chromosomes, there were only 24. There were 22 autosomal chromosomes, one X chromosome and one Y chromosome. This evidences that the person to whom this blood belonged to had a mother but no human father, because the normal contribution of paternal chromosomes is missing. You really can’t write comedy like this. Needless to say, he brags of all these fantastic scientific tests that never see the light of day – but trust him, he’s got em! His assistant, Jim Pinkoski, is quite an amusing fellow. He’ll show you a piece of genuine petrified wood from Noah’s Ark. And when you point out that this “petrified wood” has no rings in it, he’ll tell you – with a straight face – that that’s because trees didn’t have rings before the flood. It’s all quite amusing and ridiculous. Wyatt is so bad that other creationist and Christian groups have put up webpages debunking his work. Here are three major ones: Tentmaker, Christian Information Ministries and Answers in Genesis.
10/4/2013 9:16:10 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	"Wyatt was a nurse anesthetist" Maybe he was sniffing too much Nitrous Oxide and seeing things that weren't there...would explain many things.. Or follow the money..
10/4/2013 9:20:33 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from mindya: "Wyatt was a nurse anesthetist" Maybe he was sniffing too much Nitrous Oxide and seeing things that weren't there...would explain many things.. Or follow the money.. I think it has a lot to do with "follow the money" Even a site called raptureready.com is calling bs and making jokes http://www.raptureready.com/who/Ron_Wyatt.html Amateur archeologist Ron Wyatt is known for making sensational claims regarding alleged discoveries of Biblical sites and artifacts. Here are just a few of his most amazing discoveries: The true site of the crucifixion; the Ark of the Covenant; the true Mount Sinai (with a plaque announcing it as such); the site of Korah's earthquake; the true site of the Israelites' Red Sea crossing also with a marker 'built by King Solomon' as a memorial; Chariot wheels from Pharaoh's drowned army; the actual rock Moses struck to release water; the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah; Noah's Ark; Noah's grave; Noah's house; Mrs. Noah's grave; Moses' stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, held together with golden hinges. Wyatt claims were so fanciful and plentiful, it would seem logical to ask Ron if he had yet unearthed Jesus' High School diploma.Wyatt most bizarre discovery has to be when he claimed to have found the blood of Christ, and a DNA analysis of that blood indicates Christ was born of a virgin. Although it took several years for reality to set in, most Christian ministries have finally come to disavow Wyatt's work. About the only true believers remaining are ones that continue to financially benefit from promoting his videos. Ron was either a fabricator or he was delusional, but whatever the case may be, he was clearly one of the greatest frauds the field of Bible prophecy has ever seen. Wyatt's years of research may amount to nothing more than garbage, however, he did help prove that some Christians are limitless in their gullibility.
10/4/2013 11:10:18 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	Yer can fool some of the people some of the time and that's long enough to be a fundy-mentalist hero. Zero integrity.
10/5/2013 1:14:34 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	Ron Wyatt - More Fraud: From: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cm/v21/n2/has-ark-of-the-covenant-been-found Sodom and Gomorrah? The remnants of Sodom and Gomorrah? The “discoverers” featured in our article have persuaded a number of people unfamiliar with basic geology that the larger picture at left is the city of Gomorrah, above middle is a “ziggurat,” and the right image a “sphinx.” However, the truth is less spectacular. In this Dead Sea area (near Masada), there are many soft, evaporite deposits like this, which can easily be shaped by the action of wind and rain. Not only has on-site geological analysis shown this to be the case—lab testing of alleged “ash” samples (see below) definitively confirms that these are not “burnt buildings” (see main text). Answers in Genesis did not attempt to involve itself in checking any of the other claims, but someone who had been with Wyatt to his “Sodom and Gomorrah” sent us samples he had from there of the alleged ash from a couple of the “buildings,” and a sulfur ball. The photos show the structures at “Sodom and Gomorrah,” together with the labels put on them by Wyatt. Simple visual inspection of such photos (and watching videos put out by these “amazing discoverers”) strongly suggests that these “building ruins” are soft sedimentary structures with some lamination, carved into an array of shapes by rain and wind. To put it mildly, the claim that such structures would form from incinerated buildings, then survive in the open for thousands of years, defies understanding of basic scientific principles (not to mention common sense). Nevertheless, we sent the samples for chemical analysis to a reputable Australian laboratory. Their report was interpreted by a Ph.D. geochemist. The existence of the sulfur ball is not surprising—the entire area is rich in natural sulfur. The results from the “ash” were not consistent with what would be expected from incinerated ancient buildings, or rock ash of any sort. Instead, they clearly indicated an[evaporite] deposit ofgypsum-type minerals. This crumbly, easily eroded material fully explains the visual impressions, and is consistent with the known features of this area. The chemistry also shows an abundance of carbonates, which would be broken down by heat.
10/11/2013 7:43:08 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	Pharaoh’s chariot wheels and other things that won’t float — Examining the claims of the late Ron Wyatt The late Ron Wyatt is noted for his fabulous claims to have located just about every secret thing there is, including Noah’s Ark, the location of Sodom and Gomorrah and the other cities of the plain, Mount Sinai, the location of the crossing of the Red Sea, wheels from Pharaoh’s chariots, the ashes of the red heifer, the ark of the covenant, etc., etc., etc. Standish and Standish, two Seventh Day Adventist researchers, wrote a response to Wyatt, who was also a Seventh Day Adventist. In Holy Relics or Revelation, they give a list of 92 things Wyatt claimed to have found. This book is available at Amazon, and is partially available online at Google Books. Ron Wyatt (1933-1999) was a nurse-anesthetist with no training in archaeology. We might more correctly call him an explorer. Few famous, recognized archaeologists have more than one or two fabulous finds to their credit, but Wyatt found almost everything that was missing! Typically I receive several Emails each year asking about some of the claims of Wyatt, though they do not always mention his name. Recently I received a PowerPoint presentation attached to the Email. The presentation is entitled “Moses & the Red Sea Crossing Truth or Fiction?” Of course, I believe Moses led the developing nation of Israel through the sea. No one takes credit for producing the presentation. There is no documentation other than Scripture references. Looking at the “Properties” of the presentation that someone borrowed a template from some other presentation. The Claim The presentation includes a map showing Succoth immediately north of the Gulf of Suez. That is the wrong position. Israel then traveled across the Sinai peninsula through a wadi running east toward Eilat/Aqaba, then southerly to Nuweiba on the Gulf of Aqaba (Eilat). This, according to Wyatt, is exactly where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea out of Egypt (he considered the Sinai peninsula as Egypt) into the wilderness on the east of the Gulf of Aqaba. This is necessary to place Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia. Wyatt did some scuba diving and found Pharaoh’s chariot wheels, chariot bodies, human and horse bones. The photo below is one I took in the vicinity of Nuweiba January 26, 2011. The view is east from the Sinai Peninsula to Saudi Arabia. This point is about 160 miles on a straight line from where the presentation map shows Israel leaving Succoth. It is about 45 miles south of Eilat/Aqaba. Eilat is in Israel; Aqaba is in Jordan. Even the modern roads in the Sinai are not built on a straight line. "So he made his chariot ready and took his people with him; and he took six hundred select chariots, and all the other chariots of Egypt with officers over all of them. The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and he chased after the sons of Israel as the sons of Israel were going out boldly. Then the Egyptians chased after them with all the horses and chariots of Pharaoh, his horsemen and his army, and they overtook them camping by the sea, beside Pi-hahiroth, in front of Baal-zephon. (Exo 14:6-9 NAU)" Think about it. A large, powerful, professional Egyptian army had to chase “about six hundred thousand men on foot, aside from children” (Exodus 12:37-38). The Israelites also had their “flocks and herds” and “a very large number of livestock” with them. Yet, the Egyptians could not catch them for more than 160 miles! (View from Sinai Peninsula east to Saudi Arabia. Photo by Ferrell Jenkins) I don’t have the time now to do more, but I have located some articles that raise serious questions about Wyatt’s claims. Wyatt was never taken seriously by archaeologists (whether conservative or liberal). Being Certain About What is Uncertain Carl Rasmussen comments on the scholarly divide concerning landmarks like the Red Sea and Mount Sinai: Indeed there are at least ten different proposals for the location of the Red Sea or Reed Sea — including three lakes near the Mediterranean Sea, five lakes along the line of the present-day Suez Canal, as well as the Gulf of Suez and the Gulf of Elath. In addition, there are at least twelve different candidates for Mount Sinai: five in the southern part of the peninsula, four in the north, one in the center, one in Midian (Saudi Arabia), and another in Edom (southern Transjordan). (Zondervan Atlas of the Bible, Rev. Ed., 103). Responses to Wyatt Wyatt was a Seventh Day Adventist, but when he was actively making his claims several Seventh Day Adventists scholars took up pen to respond to him. We have already mentioned the book by Standish and Standish. Dr. David Merling is currently Research Associate in Near Eastern Archaeology at Andrews University, Institute of Archaeology, Berrien Springs, MI. For a number of years he served as Curator of the Horn Archaeological Museum. During the 1990s Merling wrote a number of short articles responding to the claims of Ron Wyatt. These have been archived on the Andrews University web site. Merling discusses the following questions: --- Who am I and why have I opened this Web site? He explains something about his credentials and states that he has been asked these questions “over and over again.” His comments were last updated in 2006. --- Has Noah’s ark been found? --- Ark of the Covenant, has it been found? --- Did the Israelites cross the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aqaba? This is the specific question that we are now discussing. You may find Dr. Merling’s material here--->http://www.andrews.edu/archaeology/archive/merling/ The page dealing with the question of the Red Sea crossing includes maps showing the difference between what the Bible says and what Wyatt claimed. There is also a photo of the column that Wyatt claims is from the time of Solomon. Merling shows that it is from the time of Jesus [Roman], and unlike columns from the time of Solomon. In another post we will mention more material responding to Wyatt and other pseudo-archaeologists. source:http://ferrelljenkins.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/pharaohs-chariot-wheels-and-other-things-that-wont-float-%E2%80%94-examining-the-claims-of-the-late-ron-wyatt/
10/23/2013 11:14:31 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	Good posts here
11/16/2013 7:05:31 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 53, joined Feb. 2009	Even Wyatt's fellow evangelicals have also been critical and even Answers in Genesis called Wyatt's claims "fraudulent." Here is a direct quote from Ken Ham's website,answersingenesis.org "The Wyatt/Gray claims are truly astonishing (see Amazing claims). Unfortunately, reputable Bible-believing archaeologists and other experts willing and capable of giving an objective assessment are never able to check out the claimed artifacts. There is generally a plausible-sounding story as to why that is impossible, or why the time is not right. The alleged finding of the Ark of the Covenant (see also The Ark of the Covenant—could it even be found?) is associated with claims of supernatural intervention, photographs mysteriously getting fogged or vanishing, and “Men in Black” style government cover-ups. Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses.4 If, however, a careful examination of just one or two of these claims reveals them to be false, fanciful or fraudulent, the “divine leading” option evaporates, and it is clear that Christians are being seriously misled."
12/9/2013 10:06:39 PM	Can we trust Ron Wyatt's "Amazing Discoveries"?
mindya Vancouver, BC 64, joined Jan. 2009	No we can't trust Ron Wyatt.

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