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I'm 48, never married, and with no kids. Because so many women my age judged me for it, I found a foreign one. Problem solved.

Got you beat. Soon to be 51, never married, no kids.

Women assume/make judgments about me too without KNOWING... but I don't care. F'em! And I mean that with my whole heart.

6/6/2014 7:18:52 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
vaguy80 Richmond, VA 42, joined May. 2014	Age is a number . Everyone is different some prefer to be single others content going from relationship to relationship . Others seek perfection . Others want to date but never marry . Some want to marry young . So there is no magical template that by this or that age a person should be this or that . So just be open and meet people no matter age and no matter where they are in life . Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
6/6/2014 7:59:33 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
wrenchspinner45 Waynesville, NC 49, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from vaguy80: Age is a number . Everyone is different some prefer to be single others content going from relationship to relationship . Others seek perfection . Others want to date but never marry . Some want to marry young . So there is no magical template that by this or that age a person should be this or that . So just be open and meet people no matter age and no matter where they are in life .
6/6/2014 9:01:49 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
gman588 Rosedale, MD 58, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from g0ddesslux: WHY NOT? -- Maybe he took the responsible route and decided not to have kids with someone he didn't love. Maybe he wanted kids but his ex didn't. You never know. It doesn't make a guy LESS THAN in any way if he's over 30 and doesn't have kids.. I wanna have kids with her. Lots of them
6/6/2014 11:36:03 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
atreyelts Lake Village, IN 40, joined Aug. 2012	What does age or children have to do with commitment?? I been involved in 2 LTR..6YR & 9 YRS...but never married.
6/7/2014 1:19:28 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
fishnthec Mesquite, TX 66, joined Oct. 2010	Not if it turns out that he actually did have offspring but didn't take responsibility for it! If that is not the case, I think he is good to go!
6/7/2014 6:37:41 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
rule_breaker Dublin, GA 45, joined May. 2014	Yes...I'm a soon to be 42,and I'm childless and don't want kids. I don't care if he has kids but I myself personally don't want them.
6/7/2014 11:46:55 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
lookfamiliar Portage, IN 60, joined May. 2014	Maybe? The real question is...What has he been doing the last 20 yrs. of his life? Was he building a rock solid career? Partying his @ss off like there's no tomorrow? Living in the shadows of Mommie? In jail? Bouncing from relationship to relationship? Or perhaps, had a few meaningful relationships but just wasn't the right one.
6/7/2014 5:13:02 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
ameadea Lewisburg, TN 31, joined Jan. 2014	This is not a yes/no question but there is no third option to vote! Gotta get to the bottom an then decide. Not assume an discover later "oh he could b the one!.." when its too late. To me, 40+, no drama, no kids guy is more appealing than sm 30 yrs old boy with child support obligations he's pissed as hell to carry coz he thinks his ex cheated on him... when there is no such thing as innocent/ guilty side exists as relationship/ marriage is falling apart. Having/not having kids is not always a sign of selfish @$$}{0[_€ Every case is unique an leveling/ labeling everyone just coz ur experience sucked is plain dumb stupid. Imo
6/7/2014 6:57:53 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
forumfriendly2 Norfolk, VA 41, joined Sep. 2013	The question is ...are you good enough for him? Your the one who slept around and produced bastard kids ,getting divorced every 5 years !! Your the freak not him...
6/7/2014 7:47:06 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
barrydalmi Belleville, IL 54, joined Dec. 2007	As in most complex things, "it depends".
6/7/2014 8:12:40 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
meohunny Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 57, joined Dec. 2012	Yes absolutely Why does a man have to have children? Divorced or otherwise. In fact the way I look at it is , if this man is divorced then it's for the best that he didn't have children. If this man has never been married then I praise him for being a responsible man and not having children with a woman. He probably didn't plan on marrying. So bottom line he is a good catch.
6/8/2014 12:54:32 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
wrenchspinner45 Waynesville, NC 49, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from ameadea: This is not a yes/no question but there is no third option to vote! Gotta get to the bottom an then decide. Not assume an discover later "oh he could b the one!.." when its too late. To me, 40+, no drama, no kids guy is more appealing than sm 30 yrs old boy with child support obligations he's pissed as hell to carry coz he thinks his ex cheated on him... when there is no such thing as innocent/ guilty side exists as relationship/ marriage is falling apart. Having/not having kids is not always a sign of selfish @$$}{0[_€ Every case is unique an leveling/ labeling everyone just coz ur experience sucked is plain dumb stupid. Imo I like your answer, makes sense
6/8/2014 1:40:57 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
vander_b Pittsburgh, PA 45, joined Aug. 2011	Quote from rule_breaker: Yes...I'm a soon to be 42,and I'm childless and don't want kids. I don't care if he has kids but I myself personally don't want them. Its not about the fact that you dont want kids. You are too old to have kids now so of course you are going to say it was your choice. As I see it the only choice that was made was made by every guy that u have dated choosing not to make any permanent situations with u. And dont give that bullshit excuse that u havent met the right person in the last 50 years. The point is this, you may be the correct choice for someone without kids but you will always be a wrong choice for someone that does. Except for maybe if they just are looking for a one night grudge f**k or something along those lines.
6/8/2014 1:53:03 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
wrenchspinner45 Waynesville, NC 49, joined Sep. 2013	Quote from vander_b: Its not about the fact that you dont want kids. You are too old to have kids now so of course you are going to say it was your choice. As I see it the only choice that was made was made by every guy that u have dated choosing not to make any permanent situations with u. And dont give that bullshit excuse that u havent met the right person in the last 50 years. The point is this, you may be the correct choice for someone without kids but you will always be a wrong choice for someone that does. Except for maybe if they just are looking for a one night grudge f**k or something along those lines. RUDE/MEAN post, it can be said in a gentlemanly way. This kind of mannersim gives ALL men a bad name with women....GROW UP!!!
6/8/2014 2:04:20 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
fantasticdreame Atlanta, GA 41, joined Aug. 2013	I would love to find a man with not kids and ex-wives around! Are you kidding me? A childless man is excellent dating material!
6/8/2014 2:20:47 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
vander_b Pittsburgh, PA 45, joined Aug. 2011	Quote from fantasticdreame: I would love to find a man with not kids and ex-wives around! Are you kidding me? A childless man is excellent dating material! I understand what ur saying. The problem is the childess ex-less man is because no one wants them. Take a look at the childless and womanless men that have posted in this thread. If you are into guys under 5 ft 8 or look like pedophiles or live with their mom at 40 then you have hit the motherload.
6/8/2014 2:23:30 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
fantasticdreame Atlanta, GA 41, joined Aug. 2013	Quote from g0ddesslux: WHY NOT? -- Maybe he took the responsible route and decided not to have kids with someone he didn't love. Maybe he wanted kids but his ex didn't. You never know. It doesn't make a guy LESS THAN in any way if he's over 30 and doesn't have kids..
6/8/2014 2:26:44 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
cosmicgem Springfield, MO 61, joined Jun. 2011	I have an older cousin. Was always very good with us younger kids in the family. Loved kids and always wanted kids. He met and loves a girl before going into the Navy during the Vietnam era. Would of course come back on leave when he could. But she didnt wait for him. He never married till he was 40 also remained childless. He took great care of his wife and her children. And still takes care of his wife. Who lost both legs to Diabetes. Excellent husband and father. So my oppinion is it just depends on the individual like everything else.
6/8/2014 2:29:57 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
fantasticdreame Atlanta, GA 41, joined Aug. 2013	Quote from vander_b: I understand what ur saying. The problem is the childess ex-less man is because no one wants them. Take a look at the childless and womanless men that have posted in this thread. If you are into guys under 5 ft 8 or look like pedophiles or live with their mom at 40 then you have hit the motherload. Like I said any situation is different. Most men focus on their career and are careful this is a proof of maturity. Live with their mom? You know, it's funny that you say that because the funny thibg that I see around is that most guys with many kids are usually broke guys who do not have a clue of what the word "responsibility" means.
6/8/2014 2:31:21 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
fantasticdreame Atlanta, GA 41, joined Aug. 2013	Exactly Cosmicgem!
6/8/2014 2:46:45 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
cosmicgem Springfield, MO 61, joined Jun. 2011	Quote from fantasticdreame: Exactly Cosmicgem! Thank you
6/8/2014 3:46:25 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
vander_b Pittsburgh, PA 45, joined Aug. 2011	Quote from cosmicgem: I have an older cousin. Was always very good with us younger kids in the family. Loved kids and always wanted kids. He met and loves a girl before going into the Navy during the Vietnam era. Would of course come back on leave when he could. But she didnt wait for him. He never married till he was 40 also remained childless. He took great care of his wife and her children. And still takes care of his wife. Who lost both legs to Diabetes. Excellent husband and father. So my oppinion is it just depends on the individual like everything else. Im certain ir cousin is a loser. Please post his picture so we can vote on that.
6/8/2014 4:11:14 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
gman588 Rosedale, MD 58, joined Mar. 2014	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.) [Edited 6/8/2014 4:11:29 PM ]
6/8/2014 4:39:54 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
fantasticdreame Atlanta, GA 41, joined Aug. 2013	Gman don't bother to answer those ghetto guys, they probably have 54 kids all around the territory had with 10/15 different women.
6/8/2014 5:32:10 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
vander_b Pittsburgh, PA 45, joined Aug. 2011	Quote from gman588: You look like a f*king homo go suck your boyfriends cck and stfu And we have another winner folks. Seems I hit a nerve with this old man. Lol the truth hurts.
6/8/2014 6:40:39 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
ladybugruth58 Patton, PA 59, joined Feb. 2014	As long as he doesn't want babies and still lives at home with his mommy and daddy. A man is the key word. Lol still not a virgin
6/8/2014 7:01:30 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
flirty_n_fun67 Belleville, ON 50, joined Sep. 2010	Those 2 things wouldnt determine if you could have a good relationship...40 and childless...compatibility would...
6/8/2014 7:04:47 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
cosmicgem Springfield, MO 61, joined Jun. 2011	My cousin being single all that time owned many rental properties as well as made good money at a full time job. He has since retired. Please do not judge all persons based upon yourself.
6/8/2014 10:16:34 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
vander_b Pittsburgh, PA 45, joined Aug. 2011	Quote from cosmicgem: My cousin being single all that time owned many rental properties as well as made good money at a full time job. He has since retired. Please do not judge all persons based upon yourself. He married a fatass with low self esteem. So yeah. Loser.
6/8/2014 11:13:27 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
gman588 Rosedale, MD 58, joined Mar. 2014	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)
6/9/2014 1:06:34 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
tlk2m Fayetteville, NC 53, joined May. 2014	40,50 or more, Should not matter. The real question you should ask yourself is, do you beieve that you can be good marriage material, because you have to believe in yourself before any one else will. Doesn't matter your age.. its all about being happy with self so you can share that side of you with someone deserving. Best of luck.
6/9/2014 3:11:43 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
chris2913 Saint Cloud, MN 33, joined Sep. 2013	I prefer a man with no kids... so yes
6/11/2014 1:00:54 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
justme_n_sc Clover, SC 43, joined Mar. 2014	I wasn't implying all men are that way, just that , that has been my personal experience
6/14/2014 8:27:52 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
justme_n_sc Clover, SC 43, joined Mar. 2014	Quote from gman588: You're right we don't understand that concept. We're really stupid. Wasn't implying any man was stupid, just saying this has been my personal experience
6/14/2014 8:55:28 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
ol39er Cicero, IL 45, joined Jul. 2011	Why wouldn't someone over 40 and childless be good relationship material? I'm looking for a childless 40 year old female.
6/14/2014 8:56:28 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
johngabel99 Conway, AR 34, joined Nov. 2012	I think it's all about compatibility
6/15/2014 10:41:51 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
ameadea Lewisburg, TN 31, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from vander_b: And we have another winner folks. Seems I hit a nerve with this old man. Lol the truth hurts. Truth? Lol How much u know about truth? Not much given ur posts. Ignorance is a bliss. Btw most guys that live with their momas r broke coz they made too many kids they can't take care of. U know so little but u judge so much.
6/15/2014 10:49:01 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
bubblyblond4u Crestline, CA 58, joined Jan. 2013	NO, and HELL NO. Been there and done that. BIG mistake. Ther is a serious reason they have no kids. Probably comittment issues at the least. Run OPIE RUN!
6/16/2014 1:12:10 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
sweethoneyb32 Joplin, MO 37, joined Oct. 2013
6/16/2014 3:02:44 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
hbguy311 Huntington Beach, CA 36, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from bubblyblond4u: NO, and HELL NO. Been there and done that. BIG mistake. Ther is a serious reason they have no kids. Probably comittment issues at the least. Run OPIE RUN! Not wanting kids means he has commitment issues? That makes no sense. Plenty of children are the result of a one night stand. What do children have to do with commitment? Last I checked, children are not required in a long term relationship or marriage.
6/16/2014 3:44:30 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
lobo81865 Ocean Springs, MS 52, joined Mar. 2012	I'm 48, never married, and with no kids. Because so many women my age judged me for it, I found a foreign one. Problem solved.
6/16/2014 4:00:26 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
lets_chill98 Boca Raton, FL 44, joined Apr. 2013	If you have children and a career and take care of both of them you probably dont have free time like single people
6/16/2014 4:10:20 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
mr_wgk Denver, CO 54, joined Mar. 2014	[Quoteheader]Quote from lobo81865:
6/16/2014 4:21:26 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
peachy1954 Sacramento, CA 63, joined Oct. 2010	My late husband was childless and he turned out to be a great Daddy and husband. And now I would be glad to find someone childless never married because a lot of the men have child and grandchildren issues where life seems to move from one ATM tap to the next , the constant run of extended family through the home means minimal privacy, and basically having to live in constant shadow of some angry Ex or sainted deceased spouse is a real grind. Whatever happen to adult/kids who grew up, flew the coop, and managed their own lives? I enjoy family occasionally but holy moley I don't want a relationship with and Inn Keeper. lol
6/28/2014 11:20:12 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
2fulfillu Rock Hill, SC 51, joined Aug. 2009	I for one think you're just trying to cover up some other personal issues ,by saying it's the guy - 40 yrs and above, who has never married, and no kids, as not being marriage /boyfriend material. I have not married, because I refuse to Just settle with someone, just not to be alone. And of the only 3 times that I have ever been engaged to, only one I would reconsider getting back with, if she wasn't living in another State. But, that would mean that I am settling. As for No kids, that is a has been a Choice, of being Responsible. When I was with someone, either she had kids already, and had her tubes tied. Or we had the Common Sense to Use protection. If I am not sure if she will be the one I will Marry, then why bring a child into this world, and add another to the Single parent list. It has nothing to do with My willingness to be in a Committed relationship, I just refuse to lower my preferences, and just settle. When Dating a single mom, her child or kids ALWAYS comes first. That's a given,and the way it Should be. Most guys who Know that, You have chosen to overlook Us. You decided that the looser you chose, who was someone who did not get your child comes first, but only real interest was getting into your panties. So now you classify ALL men 40 and over, never married, and No Kids, as "wrong material" or not able to committ.
6/29/2014 12:24:14 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
shaneladd Bakersfield, CA 64, joined Dec. 2009	Quote from justme_n_sc: My personal opinion...I won't date men my age without children, because in my experience if you don't have children you don't fully understand the whole "my kids come first, everything else...including you is second" concept. Not to say there's anything wrong with not having children. I just prefer someone who is also a single parent as non parents don't fully understand the whole trying to balance dating and being a parent concept. I understand the "My children come first, and you come second." mentality. When my sister had a child, she told me that at the instant her daughter came out of her, her whole life changed, and her daughter was the most important thing in the world. She said I could not possibly understand this because I have never given birth. She also told me that I could not possibly know how to be a good parent because I've never had children of my own. Ladies of dh tell me if this is true.
6/29/2014 10:06:05 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
ironjackcash Longville, LA 58, joined Apr. 2014	not for someone who has kids. I've several friends who have tried this with younger than 40. being instant dad without ever being dad is a tough row to hoe. Its tough on trying to be dad as you have no experience, its tough on mom who has to referee and ballance the relationship with protecting her kids and its tough on the kids who may view the relationship as something best destroyed
7/1/2014 4:22:24 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
secretasianman1 Chandler, AZ 29, joined May. 2014	Of course because a person like that is smart enough to wait for the perfect one thus knowing exactly what he wants.
7/1/2014 10:57:42 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
ibanez42 Morganfield, KY 46, joined Feb. 2014	I'm 43, childless, never married and still a virgin. ( Goats and various farm animals don't count )
7/1/2014 5:10:36 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
chris2913 Saint Cloud, MN 33, joined Sep. 2013	Yes... Ive been trying to find a man with no kids. As for some of the responses on here saying he will not commit or hes selfish... Thats total bs...
7/1/2014 5:50:08 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
hbguy311 Huntington Beach, CA 36, joined Aug. 2010	^^You're cute. You will be able to find one.
7/2/2014 2:12:53 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
funandfree30 Fontana, CA 33, joined Jun. 2014	Been single to long n probably set in his way. Plus a little to old to be an active father if u want kids.
7/2/2014 3:11:07 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
hunter12gauge Bellaire, OH 55, joined Apr. 2008	Quote from lookin4him2012: You're 29. I would have said the same thing as you at 29. Wait until you're my age and you are actually dating the men that are 40 or older that are in this position. You will think differently when you are getting treated badly by such men. A 40 yr old single man is way different than a 30 year old single man. Yea, the 40 y/o already KNOWS the games you women play and won't "fall for it". The 30 y/o is still "wet behind the ears".
7/2/2014 4:29:37 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
chitowngirl78 Oak Lawn, IL 39, joined May. 2014	Heck yeah!! Where they at??
7/2/2014 4:38:52 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
chitowngirl78 Oak Lawn, IL 39, joined May. 2014	One of my friends just got married a couple years ago and hes 46. 40 is the new 30 and personally, I think some people are getting married way too young and/or for the wrong reasons (ie got pregnant, for money, looks, prestige...convenience). I always thought I'd be married to my best friend; someone I had a lot in common with. We all have our reasons why we're not married yet. Doesnt make us damaged good.
7/2/2014 4:54:45 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
chitowngirl78 Oak Lawn, IL 39, joined May. 2014	Quote from mandycox: This is so true. Men in there 40's are selfish when they have spent most those years alone. They want a woman to prove there worthyness more. There happy with who and what they are and have less room for change. If a guy is to selfish and stubborn I question our possibilities for growth in relationship. I think with dating when you're older theres a little more to it than that. When two people are young and dating you're not expected to have too much; theyre just starting out.. And they can build a relationship together. But 2 older people are usually already set in their ways and changing to fit that mold is sometimes next to impossible. Most older daters are most likely only looking for companionship and a way to combine their resources. (That's my MO...anyway)
7/2/2014 5:46:12 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
chitowngirl78 Oak Lawn, IL 39, joined May. 2014	Quote from jess_is_back: I have a few male friends in their 30s already and never married or kids. One friend in particular takes family very seriously and wants is life in order financially, home ect as to provide for a family the way a man should. My man is 34 and never married or kids. Its the same with him and feels those decisions shouldn't be taken lightly. He cares about my kids and overall adores children. I actually respect both tremendously for using the big brain and not the little one. Good man
7/2/2014 5:56:02 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
chitowngirl78 Oak Lawn, IL 39, joined May. 2014	...if you don't have children you don't fully understand the whole "my kids come first, everything else...including you is second" concept. Not to say there's anything wrong with not having children. I just prefer someone who is also a single parent as non parents don't fully understand the whole trying to balance dating and being a parent concept. Dated a guy with a child for 6 yrs. And understanding his 'son came first; everything else was second including me' was not the issue... his jealous, re-married ex wife was the problem...go figure
7/2/2014 6:50:08 PM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
juneboy20 Bronx, NY 47, joined Jul. 2013	I am 44 with no kids
7/3/2014 6:11:32 AM	Is a 40 yr old childless man considered good relationship material? \| Page 2
clever_wabbit Baxter, MN 33, joined Nov. 2009	Not every man wants to be enslaved to marriage or wants kids. Is it a commitment issue, that so many of you women like to bicker about? Maybe for some. Which is actually called "beta" male shaming for not conforming to the societal norms. Is it selfish? Maybe. But we are all inherently selfish. A lot of you women are selfish for imposing your judgements on what a "relationship" is suppose to be. When in reality, there are so many different ways to live, whether single but prefers casual relationships, as a couple in an open relationship, or strictly monogamous. So whatever floats your boat essentially. Some of you women complaining sound like a bunch of feminists, shaming men into sub roles for your amusement. An even relationship is called interdependence, where the couple understands it is a two way street for any formative relationship. A man's core driving force is: Freedom, Self-actualization, or Purposeful Living. Too many get trapped into mediocrity. More and more men are waking up to this, which is scaring the female establishment. Now there are many beautiful women who love men for being men, and don't attempt to hold him down. Also, i'm seeing increasing numbers of women who are opting out of the marriage/child paradigm, at an early age. Instead, are focusing on self and goals. I respect these women more, but that's just me.

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