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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
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I wanted to continue this from the who is the real messiah thread. I thought it deserved its own topic.
Why would God create something He knew was going to fail? Revelations 9:15 talks about 4 angles that were created for a very specific day and time. They were set free to kill 1/3 of all mankind. Did God create them for failure or are they saved? Apparently they are doing God's will. The same can be said for each of us. If God is all knowing then He created knowing the outcome of our lives. Are we doomed, or saved, simply because that's what we were created for? Is God really that vain that simply because we don't praise Him we will be destroyed?
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| 8/10/2014 7:49:20 PM |
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nonstandard
York, PA
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No matter how smart we become , we cant seem to overcome our primal animal instincts . We just develope more ingenious , and creative ways to become super duper mega animals , with spectacular weapons , and gadgets , to aid us in our quest to dominate the universe .
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| 8/11/2014 1:53:12 PM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
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No matter how smart we become , we cant seem to overcome our primal animal instincts . We just develope more ingenious , and creative ways to become super duper mega animals , with spectacular weapons , and gadgets , to aid us in our quest to dominate the universe .
If you kick over an ant hill...
Chaos is a driving force all its own. More achievements have been made through war than anything else. Necessity is the mother of invention. In war, nothing is more necessary than destroying ones enemies. Kick over the ant hill, and the ants comeback stronger.
If, as several religions would say, we were created in God's image how much more violent does that make him? Given all the end-time prophecy, are we the ant hill that God is kicking over?
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| 8/12/2014 9:43:51 AM |
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jim_a49
Bellevue, WA
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Not all Gods do.
You are using the Christian God, as though that represents all of tem.
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| 8/12/2014 1:54:01 PM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
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Not all Gods do.
You are using the Christian God, as though that represents all of tem.
A lot of cultures around the world,including Christianity, have their version of end times. For example, th Hopi Indians look for the blue star Kachina to appear in th sky. This will usher in the beginning of the 5th world. The general theme seems to be the destruction of this world to make room for the next. A creator, whatever that may be, destroying its creation over and over to make room for the next "best" thing.
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| 8/12/2014 2:03:19 PM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
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While I don't consider myself to be Christian I was born and raised that way. It's what I know best.
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| 8/13/2014 3:14:38 PM |
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nonstandard
York, PA
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If you kick over an ant hill...
Chaos is a driving force all its own. More achievements have been made through war than anything else. Necessity is the mother of invention. In war, nothing is more necessary than destroying ones enemies. Kick over the ant hill, and the ants comeback stronger.
If, as several religions would say, we were created in God's image how much more violent does that make him? Given all the end-time prophecy, are we the ant hill that God is kicking over?
Still instincts , chaos is a result of behavior , something has to instigate the behavior .
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| 8/13/2014 3:43:12 PM |
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nonstandard
York, PA
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Harmony , and syncronicity , is'nt a part of instinct , its learned . We know that nothing will work without it , and yet we will pretend that they will .
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| 8/26/2014 6:45:45 PM |
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curiousonlooker
Dayton, OH
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I do not believe that the Uncaused Cause concerns itself with our punishment or our reward on Earth. That is, I believe that there is a great deal of latitude on Earth as to how much we will suffer or experience joy or happiness; that latitude is a direct function of when and where we are born and how those of power choose to exercise that power. I doubt that much of what happens to mankind, in general, while we are on earth, is a function of what God desires at all.
In other words, until we are free from the material worlds, we will most certainly experience a great deal of pain and misery, just as a consequence of having a human body which exists long enough to go through the normal phases of life; this is inevitable.
In short, we do not really know much about the true nature or purpose that the Creator had when the universe's beginnings were put into motion. But, through a great deal of trial and error we do know what works well, now. Whether or not we choose to learn and follow what we have learned, either individually or collectively, ultimately determines what happens here on Earth!
I sincerely believe that the average person on Earth learns and has created a god which is of his own making, and in our desire for a comforting story, we have created a god in the image of what we would like our god to be!
Not a comforting thought, I realize, yet I strongly believe in a god which DOES even up all of the inequities and excesses, but NOT until the individual immortal souls that we all are, pass over to the other side of life!
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| 8/27/2014 8:35:40 PM |
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nonstandard
York, PA
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Without a material universe , no life would exist . Without life no body , and no brain would exist . Without a brain , no mind , or knowledge would exist . Do the math .
True divinity is the automated prosseses of the material universe . The mind is not a creator of life , its a creation of life . The mind is a survival tool , created to determine values , and makes assessments , that provides the body protection , and nourishment . Not because the immaterial mind is precious , but because the material body is .
The mind could never even begin to match the true superiority of the material universe , its functions , its sources , its origins , or any of its creations . The only thing it can do is , possess a thought , or a belief , that it can .
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| 8/28/2014 7:56:55 PM |
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nonstandard
York, PA
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The "other side of life" does'nt use a mind , values , assessments , or choices . It uses automatic response , everything uses a preprogramed response , specific to changes in its environment . All behavior , and every act , is an automated response . A plant recieves information from its cells , and its activity is automatic . In a system of automated response , a mind would create chaos , render the system inoperable , and the system would crash . All harmony is created by countless particles in an environment where everything is no more , or less , valuable than any of the others . All balance is acheived by being one peice of an entire universe , where every peice is utilized , and no peice ever goes to waste .
The mind is precious to us because it contains our identity , and all the knowledge we've accumulated . In life's process these things have no value , they' re nothing more than a means for all mobile creatures to protect , and sustain thier material bodies , without a body , there is no longer a task to fulfill . Life will simply create a new one , for every new creature created . The mind will utilize every ability it has to avoid the inevitable , even if it could cheat life , all it would possess is the memory of the life it once had .
Every single speck of life is eternal , if we can willingly let go of all the minds values , we can experience a single universal value . Where every piece of life is just as important as all the others , where being any piece of life is just as valuable , as the the pieces that make us what we are today .
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| 8/28/2014 8:40:55 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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God does NOT want to punish His creation ... but as with any good father he will dole out discipline when it is needed.
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| 8/29/2014 9:46:58 AM |
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jakebearr
Simi Valley, CA
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| 8/29/2014 12:06:13 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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God doesn't hit with a stick.
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| 9/7/2014 1:56:50 AM |
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furchizedek
Kingman, AZ
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I wanted to continue this from the who is the real messiah thread. I thought it deserved its own topic.
Why would God create something He knew was going to fail? Revelations 9:15 talks about 4 angles that were created for a very specific day and time. They were set free to kill 1/3 of all mankind. Did God create them for failure or are they saved? Apparently they are doing God's will. The same can be said for each of us. If God is all knowing then He created knowing the outcome of our lives. Are we doomed, or saved, simply because that's what we were created for? Is God really that vain that simply because we don't praise Him we will be destroyed?
Consider throwing out all your Christian literature and assumptions about these things and read The Urantia Book.
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| 9/7/2014 4:05:06 AM |
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furchizedek
Kingman, AZ
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I do not believe that the Uncaused Cause concerns itself with our punishment or our reward on Earth. That is, I believe that there is a great deal of latitude on Earth as to how much we will suffer or experience joy or happiness; that latitude is a direct function of when and where we are born and how those of power choose to exercise that power. I doubt that much of what happens to mankind, in general, while we are on earth, is a function of what God desires at all.
Wow. The Voice of Reason. Well said.
In other words, until we are free from the material worlds, we will most certainly experience a great deal of pain and misery, just as a consequence of having a human body which exists long enough to go through the normal phases of life; this is inevitable.
Again. Well said.
In short, we do not really know much about the true nature or purpose that the Creator had when the universe's beginnings were put into motion. But, through a great deal of trial and error we do know what works well, now. Whether or not we choose to learn and follow what we have learned, either individually or collectively, ultimately determines what happens here on Earth!
I sincerely believe that the average person on Earth learns and has created a god which is of his own making, and in our desire for a comforting story, we have created a god in the image of what we would like our god to be!
Not a comforting thought, I realize, yet I strongly believe in a god which DOES even up all of the inequities and excesses, but NOT until the individual immortal souls that we all are, pass over to the other side of life!
 Excellent.
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| 9/9/2014 6:03:58 PM |
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nonstandard
York, PA
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Matter creates everything , the universe , sun , water , and all life . The brain gives all creatures the ability to value itself above everything else , but it does'nt mean their value is true , its only a survival mechanism .
The material universe is most worthy of our highest values . Its our desire for possession , and ownership , that creates all of our conflicts . We know we cant own the universe , but we will attempt to own everything on earth . In short , we punish ourselves .
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| 1/25/2015 10:16:34 PM |
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CutieDolphena
Escondido, CA
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God doesn't Damn people; People Damn themselves!
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| 1/26/2015 8:36:24 PM |
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leorah
Bridgton, ME
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God doesn't WANT to, He has to.We have given Him no alternative. He is a Wonderful, loving, patient, kind and gentle God,but He is also a HOLY God. The sin of mankind is what is caroding this world and God has been longsuffering in His patience, warning us and waiting for us to repent (turn around) and return to Him, but we haven't and so judgment is at the door. His word tells us and so we are without excuse.
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| 1/28/2015 3:15:05 PM |
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umaciel
Sintra
Portugal
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GOD Doesn't Want to Punish HIS/HER Creation  !
We punish , or Do Good to ourselves by the choices we make . 
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| 2/14/2015 10:32:58 PM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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Ok hold up u guys are going too far here. Ok if there's a God think about how just he is by looking at all the wars in the name of religion and all that died in his name why if he's a living God why wouldn't he just show up and tell us to sit down and shut up everybody liked to call him father well I don't let my kid get out of line with out correcting her why wouldn't it be the same
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| 2/14/2015 11:15:29 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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Cole ... You say ... "IF there is a God" .... I counter .... Prove there is no God.
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| 2/14/2015 11:27:50 PM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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Prove there is I ain't sure there is or ain't I've been legally dead 7 times and still no proof I can't prove there ain't and nobody can prove there is I just find a lot of inconsistencies in the hole God bit is all would like to know for sure
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| 2/15/2015 2:10:19 AM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
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Cole ... You say ... "IF there is a God" .... I counter .... Prove there is no God.
Look around at the world today. If it was within your power to fix it wouldn't you? If, as you people claim, that we were created in God's image wouldn't He want to fix it as well? Since He's the one with all the power where's He at? If it's true that "A fool says there is no God" make me a fool! I would gladly accept that title if he would just show himself.
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| 2/15/2015 9:01:35 AM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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Look around at the world today. If it was within your power to fix it wouldn't you? If, as you people claim, that we were created in God's image wouldn't He want to fix it as well? Since He's the one with all the power where's He at? If it's true that "A fool says there is no God" make me a fool! I would gladly accept that title if he would just show himself.
That's kinda what im saying
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| 2/15/2015 1:13:41 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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Where did water come from?
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| 2/15/2015 1:18:18 PM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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1 part hydrogen and two parts oxygen it's just the proper combination of elements
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| 2/15/2015 2:01:50 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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| 2/15/2015 3:25:45 PM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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any more brain busters?
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| 2/15/2015 4:38:53 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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Ok hold up u guys are going too far here. Ok if there's a God think about how just he is by looking at all the wars in the name of religion and all that died in his name why if he's a living God why wouldn't he just show up and tell us to sit down and shut up everybody liked to call him father well I don't let my kid get out of line with out correcting her why wouldn't it be the same
That's big talk for a guy who calls his mother to ask her how to potty train a 2 year old...pffft
Big talk for a guy who gets sent to bed by a 2 year old pffft
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| 2/15/2015 5:11:21 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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1 part hydrogen and two parts oxygen it's just the proper combination of elements
Part? Proper? What do you this is? baking school? You need to call your mother about that statement kid !!!
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| 2/15/2015 5:26:15 PM |
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djedix
Richmond, VA
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Ok hold up u guys are going too far here. Ok if there's a God think about how just he is by looking at all the wars in the name of religion and all that died in his name why if he's a living God why wouldn't he just show up and tell us to sit down and shut up everybody liked to call him father well I don't let my kid get out of line with out correcting her why wouldn't it be the same
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| 2/15/2015 10:41:52 PM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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Im just asking a question I ain't saying one way or the other but I just need more facts before I can say for sure one way or the other
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| 2/19/2015 12:28:27 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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It is a control issue
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| 2/21/2015 5:11:33 PM |
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rufftreasure
Fairmont, MN
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GOD Doesn't Want to Punish HIS/HER Creation !
We punish , or Do Good to ourselves by the choices we make .
Bingo, taking personal responsibility for our own actions.
The natural consequences for our actions are what punish us, or reward us.
For every action there is a reaction.
Choice, causes action, causing consequences ,good or bad.
A parent says don't touch it's hot you will get burned.
A child says when the parent turns their back for even a split second, awww what harm can it do??? Or why? The child through no choice of the parent, touches the thing that is hot.
The child gets burned or hurt.who made the choice???
Hopefully the child learns that hot Will hurt him/ her. Hopefully they will take guidance from the parent next time, because it has suffered the consequences of it's own choice.
It's why we have a conscience. Because a parent is not always there to say no.
Hopefully if the child learns the correlation between their choice and from that choice they get hurt, they will cease to repeat those choices they personally make ,that hurt them or others.
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| 2/21/2015 5:22:47 PM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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I could be wrong here but is this saying God doesn't have a hand in anything then? Is it all up to the free will of man?
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| 2/21/2015 7:31:31 PM |
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rufftreasure
Fairmont, MN
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The energy of God , or the all ,or whatever name you have for it is not separate from us.
This energy is in everything that is.
Like that space between the components in an atom.
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| 2/22/2015 3:49:34 PM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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Can u point me in the direction of this one where there's physical proof
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| 2/22/2015 5:49:32 PM |
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rufftreasure
Fairmont, MN
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That would be like trying to prove there is a God/Goddess, or proving they don't exist as well.
I can't, those things and even God/Goddess, or whatever you choose to call this great and awesome energy is with in you. In each individual, and this is why organized religion just doesn't work for me. Spiritual programs are so personal, but the thoughts ,ideas and, beliefs may be shared. How we apply these things to our lives therefore must suite each individual, because not one of us are exactly alike. Organized Religion would have us be all alike tho, if it were not types like me interfering with them, they would have a monopoly on people's spiritual lives, and their pocketbooks!!!
I am such an anarchist
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| 2/22/2015 6:01:39 PM |
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cole_tanner
Fort Pierre, SD
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See that's Y I ask for literature and physical proof because of there is no physical proof it doesn't exist that's like trying to say there is a Santa Claus it's a prove to me it exist thing
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| 2/24/2015 12:46:04 PM |
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rufftreasure
Fairmont, MN
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Well how can you prove personal experience, or should I say the astral travels, and inward epiphanies? They are personal but real to each individual, such as yours, in which you cannot prove other wise. That's why we simply love one another, as not only is it logical, it's the right thing to do, IMO
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| 7/5/2015 12:37:06 PM |
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happydriver14
Providence, RI
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Please no one believes in God if they did they couldn't hurt other people...This is nothing but a game to people...AND TO THE A**HOLES THAT HURT ME I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL 
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| 8/7/2015 2:16:35 PM |
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mr_ridem
Norway, ME
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why does God want to punish his creation? sin! Yahweh is GODS name it got hid & lost in the caves befour they destored Jerulalsum 500 hundred years latter they wrote the bible, Its is in the Hebrews and scrolls, here is my message to you this nice time. look at both picthers ill send, in 2 messages, and read Rrvelation 14:14 and Revelation 10:1, heres a little more, have a great week, and GOD bless you, look up EXODUS 3:15 ware its says Jacob, has sent me to you. there it was sapos to say YAHWEH , This is my name fo rever, and this is My memorial to all generations, No religious movement sent of God ever came to the world.. unannounced, and unherd. In the tenth chapter of Revelation such a messge is descrined: Verses five and six describe it,, The maine point is that '' there should be time no longer, ..& Read Revelation 14:14 .!, , ..hope your injoying the summer, I wanted to tell you. I bleve mose people not know .. the false profits, & my prayers & .ill like to show you. look up Revelation 13:9-18 If aney one have an ear let him hear sinely ,,, me Revelation 22:16../
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| 8/9/2015 7:07:39 PM |
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up2youandme
Chandler, AZ
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A lot of cultures around the world,including Christianity, have their version of end times. For example, th Hopi Indians look for the blue star Kachina to appear in th sky. This will usher in the beginning of the 5th world. The general theme seems to be the destruction of this world to make room for the next. A creator, whatever that may be, destroying its creation over and over to make room for the next "best" thing.
That's just horse shit any thinking mind will eventually come to a conclusion that this world is finite. But to draw the populace to better treating themselves and their neighbors these religions or cults devised this boogie man or events of doom to keep us in line.
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| 8/10/2015 5:35:47 AM |
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kashum
Boiling Springs, PA
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Bingo, taking personal responsibility for our own actions.
The natural consequences for our actions are what punish us, or reward us.
For every action there is a reaction.
Choice, causes action, causing consequences ,good or bad.
A parent says don't touch it's hot you will get burned.
A child says when the parent turns their back for even a split second, awww what harm can it do??? Or why? The child through no choice of the parent, touches the thing that is hot.
The child gets burned or hurt.who made the choice???
Hopefully the child learns that hot Will hurt him/ her. Hopefully they will take guidance from the parent next time, because it has suffered the consequences of it's own choice.
It's why we have a conscience. Because a parent is not always there to say no.
Hopefully if the child learns the correlation between their choice and from that choice they get hurt, they will cease to repeat those choices they personally make ,that hurt them or others.
Are you saying that somehow natural disasters are the natural consequences of our actions? Show me where my actions caused an earthquake, tornado or even a basic run-of-the mill flood. I would be more than happy to repent and take my punishment. How does your hot stove analogy translate to hurricane Katrina?
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riflessivo
AlmafuerteStaffordshire
United Kingdom
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Are you saying that somehow natural disasters are the natural consequences of our actions? Show me where my actions caused an earthquake, tornado or even a basic run-of-the mill flood. I would be more than happy to repent and take my punishment. How does your hot stove analogy translate to hurricane Katrina?
I would say this to you if you believe in GOD that is
Your actions determine everything which makes you part of humankind.
The 7 deadly sins are your guide to sins against humanity.
Summary, we are humankind. But these days we are truly the deadly sins through our own selfishness.
I don't believe in GOD, but I do believe in humankind. God is meant to be a natural force, a faith our creator. If we are humans continue to destroy each other, which we do. The natural disasters are warnings. Warnings to say value what you have before it's gone.
You maybe more than happy to repent. But you are human and part of humankind. Your repenting would be in his mind would be kindness, caring, love. It would be non judgemental of people and to help.
Have you ever felt pay it forward? One act of random kindness. Well these acts happen, they don't happen all that much. Imagine if we were all to keep paying it forward?
It is up to everyone to save humankind. Not just one of us. Whilst you may be a good person. You are many as part of human kind. It is not just your soul it's everyone's. Can one person make a change, yes. But that needs to be a ripple.
Well that's my version any way.
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| 9/16/2015 8:25:26 AM |
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nonstandard
York, PA
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Our creator is earth , air , and water , these three raw elements contain every element of the periodic table . They make up everything that is physically present in our universe . God , spirit , soul , and intelligence are invisible , they have no physical form , they 're empty space , they're the space that all physical matter moves in , they're the space within all physical matter .
How can we divide , and categorize , what the senses cannot sense ? Who are we to say that our empty space is more valuable than any other ?
The seven deadly sins are survival technics used by every animal , we use them because we're animals too . Every animal , ourselves included , is born with the belief that they're the most valuable object in their environment , every value created , is created from this single "false value" . Its how everything survives .
Nothing is born with knowledge , only the erroneous belief that they're superior . All knowledge is supplied by the physical environment . The intelligence we think is our own , is coming from an environment that is teaching us everything we know .
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nonstandard
York, PA
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We could listen , we have the sensory equiptment to do so , instead we fabricate . We turn everything into a psychological image . Instead of a universe that has always been the universe we've always seen , the universe we imagine , is the only universe we care about .
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