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olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 69, joined Jul. 2014	And yet it is your religion that reviles life and seeks death to worship. Christians seek death as relief from this earthly life. You christians seek death for everyone, to send nonbelievers to go to hell and for yourself to go to a paradise neither of which exist. Religious people can not co exist with their fellow men without without conquest to convert or kill other human-beings. That is the nature of religion. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
11/21/2015 4:08:19 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from olderthandirt20: And yet it is your religion that reviles life and seeks death to worship. Christians seek death as relief from this earthly life. You christians seek death for everyone, to send nonbelievers to go to hell and for yourself to go to a paradise neither of which exist. Religious people can not co exist with their fellow men without without conquest to convert or kill other human-beings. That is the nature of religion. Peace
11/21/2015 4:50:51 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Ah, but look at the glorious afterlife, no Buddhists, muslims or Jews, to deal with.
11/21/2015 6:50:58 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Has Walt spoken to a psychiatrist? Hyper-religiousity is symptomatic of mental illness. Unfortunately religious delusions are the hardest to treat because the mental processes of how religious folk think is severely disordered. [Edited 11/21/2015 6:51:36 AM ]
11/21/2015 11:04:56 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 44, joined Jul. 2013	Quote from olderthandirt20: And yet it is your religion that reviles life and seeks death to worship. Christians seek death as relief from this earthly life. You christians seek death for everyone, to send nonbelievers to go to hell and for yourself to go to a paradise neither of which exist. Religious people can not co exist with their fellow men without without conquest to convert or kill other human-beings. That is the nature of religion. This is a ridiculous post and not true. It is your opinion which you are entitled to, but definitely wrong.
11/21/2015 11:54:35 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Paste this url in your browser, and watch the 10 minute PhD Walt Brown's hydroplate theory of the Genesis flood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9ZGt9UA-U "As it was in the day of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of man."
11/21/2015 12:14:47 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	Walt Brown has a PhD in mechanical engineering, not geology. Would you let Walt Brown test his personal "theories" by giving you open heart surgery, piloting an aircraft in which you are a passenger, or managing your personal finances? Is a Phd like an all-round jack-of-all-trades expertise conferring halo in naive fundamentalist Christian land?
11/21/2015 1:28:43 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from clarence2: Walt Brown has a PhD in mechanical engineering, not geology. Would you let Walt Brown test his personal "theories" by giving you open heart surgery, piloting an aircraft in which you are a passenger, or managing your personal finances? Is a Phd like an all-round jack-of-all-trades expertise conferring halo in naive fundamentalist Christian land? One can be self taught any discipline, especially someone like Brown, who has proved himself academic. So, the fact that he did not obtain a geology degree isn't vital. Brown has dedicated these last decades of his life to this. He isn't deceiving himself. What did you think of the 10 minute video?
11/21/2015 1:37:12 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 61, joined Jun. 2014 online now!	Quote from sail_dancer: Peace
11/21/2015 2:43:03 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from olderthandirt20: And yet it is your religion that reviles life and seeks death to worship. Christians seek death as relief from this earthly life. You christians seek death for everyone, to send nonbelievers to go to hell and for yourself to go to a paradise neither of which exist. Religious people can not co exist with their fellow men without without conquest to convert or kill other human-beings. That is the nature of religion. Sounds very much like radical Islam, not the Christian faith.
11/21/2015 2:52:49 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Sounds very much like radical Islam, not the Christian faith. Wake up Walt ..... all religions that worship the desert god of Abraham ..... are toxic to humankind. Peace
11/21/2015 7:11:04 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from sail_dancer: Wake up Walt ..... all religions that worship the desert god of Abraham ..... are toxic to humankind. Peace The Jews worship the desert God of Abraham. Are they toxic, as well? You then must agree with Hitler's "final solution," right?
11/21/2015 7:24:28 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from walt_oftheearth: The Jews worship the desert God of Abraham. Are they toxic, as well? You then must agree with Hitler's "final solution," right? I guess you don't know any actual Jews else you wouldn't be making a stupid a** of yourself about the flood fairy tale. [Edited 11/21/2015 7:26:00 PM ]
11/21/2015 7:25:47 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Say, here's a bit of interesting news. Scientists just found a fossilized tropical forest of trees, in Arctic Norway, all standing upright. How did that happen? Oh, but the scientists could not consider that the earth was once filled with lush vegetation everywhere, and that a global flood buried this forest with sediment. No, they could not consider that. It would be against their religion of atheism. Because that is just a myth/ story written in the Bible. Right? They know this to be true because they did not witness it. They could not observe a worldwide flood, therefore it didn't happen. Here is the story. Make of it what you will: http://news.yahoo.com/fossilized-tropical-forest-found-arctic-norway-133918104.html Here is a pic of one of the tropical trees found--as with the others, all standing upright! [URL=http://s369.photobucket.com/user/iseebeauty/media/fossil-forest-montage_zpsyxwyswab.jpg.html][/URL]
11/21/2015 7:29:15 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from walt_oftheearth: http://news.yahoo.com/fossilized-tropical-forest-found-arctic-norway-133918104.html That can't be right. 400 million years ago? Isn't the earth just 6000 years old?
11/21/2015 7:32:49 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from aphrodisianus: That can't be right. 400 million years ago? Isn't the earth just 6000 years old? Yes, and you can prove that this happened 400 million years ago because you were there to observe it, huh?
11/21/2015 7:40:31 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Yes, and you can prove that this happened 400 million years ago because you were there to observe it, huh? What's your IQ? You're poorly educated, just as a fellow atheist with poor math skills, except in your case is compounded with a deteriorated intellect with grandiose religious delusions. You're incapable of rational thinking and that is no different than someone who is suffering from schizophrenia or another psychosis. The result is you're intellectually incapable of assimilating scientific research. [Edited 11/21/2015 7:41:40 PM ]
11/21/2015 8:17:37 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	aphrodisianus, as with others here, seems only able to come up with insults and derogatory remarks. Me? I don't have to resort to that because I know there is a God that loves me. I derive my value from that and that is unshakable. Without God, in this world, what do you have to look forward to? [Edited 11/21/2015 8:18:35 PM ]
11/21/2015 8:44:02 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from walt_oftheearth: aphrodisianus, as with others here, seems only able to come up with insults and derogatory remarks. That is true but only when you or anyone says completely asinine things that are based on no evidence, superstition, magical thinking and also just being plain wrong and stupid about it. Me? I don't have to resort to that because I know there is a God that loves me. I derive my value from that and that is unshakable. You can't resort to anything but being an insult to yourself. You're a parody, a ludicrous superstitions religious nutbar who lives in a world with no evidence, superstition, magical thinking and also just being plain wrong. You would be laughed out of any high school science class let alone anything resembling higher education. All you can do is hide behind your superstition for comfort in the same way a child clings to a teddy bear. Without God, in this world, what do you have to look forward to? Without sanity and looking like a complete buffoon, you already have nothing to look forward to except mockery and ridicule. There is a possible way out if you see a mental health professional. [Edited 11/21/2015 8:45:33 PM ]
11/21/2015 9:00:03 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Without God, in this world, what do you have to look forward to? How about living a rewarding and peaceful life? Peace
11/22/2015 9:37:01 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from sail_dancer: How about living a rewarding and peaceful life? Peace We can try to find that, and to an extent, some do. But my neighbor's youngest son has found his way home again, with his car's trunk lid is jarring loose with mega bass rap. But of course, when there are those quiet, tranquil moments, I do savor them.
11/22/2015 9:47:13 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Here's an example of how science is still in many cases, just guessing (note in bold). There's a very feasible explanation,... the the Genesis flood, for how trees could have been buried with sediment, in the upright position, and it does not require a great leap of faith to see that. But one has to have ears to hear and eyes to see that. The following is from : https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/11/21/klimate-change-kooks-suffer-new-setback-ancient-tropical-forest-found-in-norway "An ancient tropical forest found in Svalbard, a Norwegian archipelago in the Arctic Ocean, may explain one of the most dramatic climatic shifts in Earth's history. Some 400 million years ago, Earth's atmosphere witnessed a 15-fold reduction in carbon dioxide. Climate scientists have long tried to account for the drop. Some scientists believe it was the rise of forests just like the one found in Norway that precipitated the change. As the planet came to host large plants for the first time, the mighty tropical trees sucked millions of tons of CO2 from the atmosphere. The newly unearthed forest -- dated at 380 million years old and with its tree stumps preserved still in their upright positions -- may mark the beginning of the transition from small plants and grasses to large tree forests."
11/22/2015 11:59:33 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
up2youandme Chandler, AZ 41, joined Jan. 2014	@walt That's incredibly short sighted. This planet has seen 3 ice ages in recorded history. The first being around 400 million years ago.
11/22/2015 12:53:46 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from up2youandme: @walt That's incredibly short sighted. This planet has seen 3 ice ages in recorded history. The first being around 400 million years ago. Speaking of shortsightedness..... [URL=http://s369.photobucket.com/user/iseebeauty/media/CharlesDarwinwaswrongeyequote_zps48940dfb.jpg.html][/URL]
11/22/2015 1:02:21 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	If any God's existed, would they be upset at the dishonesty of creationists? How to misquote Darwin Misquoting Darwin is a cottage industry amongst creationists and, sadly, others use their methods. It's easy to do, just take the first sentence (or part of one as Morgan did) and pretend it's the point he was making. This quote is one of the most famous misquotes of Darwin in this style, as used by many many creationists. They quote the first sentence only: "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." This, however, is merely Darwin's rhetorical setup; they have to stop fast before they get to what he was actually saying. From On the Origin of Species, on the subject of the evolution of the eye: ORGANS OF EXTREME PERFECTION AND COMPLICATION. To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certainly the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself originated; but I may remark that, as some of the lowest organisms in which nerves cannot be detected, are capable of perceiving light, it does not seem impossible that certain sensitive elements in their sarcode should become aggregated and developed into nerves, endowed with this special sensibility. Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species, 6th Edition (above from Project Gutenberg) http://www.aquaticape.org/darwin.html
11/22/2015 1:34:29 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from clarence2: If any God's existed, would they be upset at the dishonesty of creationists? How to misquote Darwin Misquoting Darwin is a cottage industry amongst creationists and, sadly, others use their methods. It's easy to do, just take the first sentence (or part of one as Morgan did) and pretend it's the point he was making. This quote is one of the most famous misquotes of Darwin in this style, as used by many many creationists. They quote the first sentence only: "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." This, however, is merely Darwin's rhetorical setup; they have to stop fast before they get to what he was actually saying. From On the Origin of Species, on the subject of the evolution of the eye: ORGANS OF EXTREME PERFECTION AND COMPLICATION. To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree. When it was first said that the sun stood still and the world turned round, the common sense of mankind declared the doctrine false; but the old saying of Vox populi, vox Dei, as every philosopher knows, cannot be trusted in science. Reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a simple and imperfect eye to one complex and perfect can be shown to exist, each grade being useful to its possessor, as is certainly the case; if further, the eye ever varies and the variations be inherited, as is likewise certainly the case; and if such variations should be useful to any animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, should not be considered as subversive of the theory. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself originated; but I may remark that, as some of the lowest organisms in which nerves cannot be detected, are capable of perceiving light, it does not seem impossible that certain sensitive elements in their sarcode should become aggregated and developed into nerves, endowed with this special sensibility. Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species, 6th Edition (above from Project Gutenberg) http://www.aquaticape.org/darwin.html Darwin states, from the above quote: "How a nerve [of the eye] comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself originated." Why is that? I have not yet seen any chimpanzees evolving into humans. Richard Dawkins states that's because humans and chimpanzees have a common ancestor, yet, he states, we still don't know what that was. It wasn't "Lucy," we know that. Very few of the bones of "Lucy" were there. I heard that some of them had to be unearthed some great distance away. How fast was that train going that hit that chimpanzee, anyway?
11/22/2015 2:26:48 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 44, joined Jul. 2013	Evolution does not exist. Creationism does. Evolution doesn't have a leg to stand on. Evolution is the religion of the lost. They put faith in a falsehood that has been debunked over and over again. People ask have you seen God? Well God is so glorious His glory would consume you. But I have seen His works and His prophecies unfold right before our eyes. Contrary to evolution, I haven't and no else has seen anything evolve. If it truly existed there would be millions of pieces of evidence to support it, but it just simply doesn't exist. Do a serious study of the human eyeball and tell me it wasn't designed by a divine creator and I will tell you that you are fool and in deep denial . Study insects especially bees. Bees are fascinating . There are many species of them but the numbers vary and are not consistent. Nevertheless a very interesting study actually fun to say the least. OT: Yes!!! The story of Noah and the ark is fascinating and very true.
11/22/2015 2:38:38 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from blake6972: OT: Yes!!! The story of Noah and the ark is fascinating and very true. ........................................ Peace
11/22/2015 2:47:33 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from sail_dancer: ........................................ Peace Truth is here. But you must believe that God exists. Is there not a God shaped vacuum within you? ........ Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."
11/22/2015 2:54:14 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Truth is here. But you must believe that God exists. Is there not a God shaped vacuum within you? ........ Genesis 7:11 "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You and Blake are both nutcases. Peace
11/22/2015 2:57:49 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Considering he was a man of God, Ill bet he didn't look a day over 550.
11/22/2015 3:03:18 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from clarence2: If any God's existed, would they be upset at the dishonesty of creationists? No, He would not be upset, because they refuse to believe a lie. Just take a look at this irreducibly complex organism with the cell. Something Darwin could not see in his day. All they saw in the cell was what looked like jelly, or jello, with the microscopes they had. The bacterial Flagellum: [URL=http://s369.photobucket.com/user/iseebeauty/media/Flagellumdiagram.png.html][/URL] Darwin did say that of "if one day it could be found that an organism did exist that could not be formed by gradual modification through natural selection, my whole theory would collapse." Well, here it is. Ponder this diagram of the the bacterial Flagellum. It operates like an outboard motor! In order to serve it's function within the cell, ALL it's components had to be there at the same time, not through Darwin's "natural selection," but at precisely the same time. Let those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see, hear and see! If you refuse to see and hear, know that in That Day, you will not be able to say, "no one told me."
11/22/2015 3:29:13 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
fitbarbie Simpsonville, SC 29, joined Jan. 2015	Wanna know if Noah's ark is real? Read the Bible.
11/22/2015 7:38:04 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from fitbarbie: Wanna know if Noah's ark is real? Read the Bible. Yes, but the Genesis flood has left physical evidence of the flood all over the earth. Have you had a chance to view the short 10 minute video of Dr. Walt Brown's hydroplate theory in the original post? "A major motivation that has propelled Brown’s decades of research has been his quest to give Christian students answers that will withstand scrutiny when challenged by Darwinist theories within the classroom. He notes that he does not rely on faith, miracles or sped-up evolutionary processes to buttress his theory – only observable and calculable data." Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/does-science-prove-noahs-flood/#TZhsMfT2irfvEOtA.99
11/23/2015 7:49:46 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 67, joined Mar. 2009	okay, walt, i'll bite. you've seen the video and i'm confident in my understanding of the scientific method. it's just you and me. no internet videos, no theoretical physicists, no evangelical scientists. just you and me. so let's see if your new found answers can withstand the scrutiny of my challenges using only observable and calculable data. you can begin with providing whatever data would be evidence that a world wide flood happened. observations on every continent that has been tested to show that such a flood did occur.
11/23/2015 7:57:41 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from jrbogie1949: okay, walt, i'll bite. you've seen the video and i'm confident in my understanding of the scientific method. it's just you and me. no internet videos, no theoretical physicists, no evangelical scientists. just you and me. so let's see if your new found answers can withstand the scrutiny of my challenges using only observable and calculable data. you can begin with providing whatever data would be evidence that a world wide flood happened. observations on every continent that has been tested to show that such a flood did occur. J.R., I am not a geologist or archaeologist. All I can go by is a theory such as Walt Brown's which appears to explain how such things as the ocean's trenches and major mountain ranges formed. I do not know if Walt Brown is evangelical, or not. It doesn't matter to me, for his Hydro-Plate theory, to my mind, is reasonably plausible. Though he holds no degree in geology, we have to bear in mind that university degrees don't always translate to wisdom, and common sense. If there was such a enormous (10 miles thick +/-) amount of subterranean water beneath the earth's crust (as Brown's Hydro-plate theory suggests), that was jettisoned into and beyond earth's atmosphere, indeed the magnitude of weight of the earth's crust would then have violently buckled, through the tremendous sheer force of gravity, forming our ocean trenches and mountains. In Yahoo News, yesterday, there was again another report of tropical trees buried in sediment in Arctic Norway. The trees were buried standing upright. If you have not viewed Brown's 10 minute clip, please find the time to view it. If you have viewed it, look at it again, with an open mind, and consider what he proposes.
11/23/2015 8:39:25 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from walt_oftheearth: No, He would not be upset, because they refuse to believe a lie. Just take a look at this irreducibly complex organism with the cell. Something Darwin could not see in his day. All they saw in the cell was what looked like jelly, or jello, with the microscopes they had. The bacterial Flagellum: [URL=http://s369.photobucket.com/user/iseebeauty/media/Flagellumdiagram.png.html][/URL] Darwin did say that of "if one day it could be found that an organism did exist that could not be formed by gradual modification through natural selection, my whole theory would collapse." Well, here it is. Ponder this diagram of the the bacterial Flagellum. It operates like an outboard motor! In order to serve it's function within the cell, ALL it's components had to be there at the same time, not through Darwin's "natural selection," but at precisely the same time. Let those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see, hear and see! If you refuse to see and hear, know that in That Day, you will not be able to say, "no one told me." You're a poorly educated buffoon. Irreducible complexity has been refuted years ago which include the bacterial flagellum. Because you didn't know that means scientifically and intellectually backward and avoiding the 21st century. That fact that you have to quote Darwin as if it were current science means you're living in the 19th century. Buffoon away.
11/23/2015 9:24:34 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
blake6972 Bunker Hill, WV 44, joined Jul. 2013	Amen Walt. Great thread and posts.
11/24/2015 7:00:08 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from walt_oftheearth: aphrodisianus, as with others here, seems only able to come up with insults and derogatory remarks. Me? I don't have to resort to that because I know there is a God that loves me. I derive my value from that and that is unshakable. Without God, in this world, what do you have to look forward to? Living ? No creature looks forward to death , that would be perverted , and insane .
11/24/2015 7:11:13 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	Some authors have argued that flagella cannot have evolved because they can only function properly when all proteins are in place. In other words, the flagellar apparatus is "irreducibly complex". This has long been debunked, because many proteins can be deleted or mutated and the flagellum still works, even though sometimes at reduced efficiency. In fact, the composition of flagella is surprisingly diverse across bacteria with many proteins only found in some species but not others. Hence the flagellar apparatus is clearly very flexible in evolutionary terms and perfectly able to lose or gain protein components.
11/24/2015 7:40:36 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 67, joined Mar. 2009	Quote from walt_oftheearth: J.R., I am not a geologist or archaeologist. All I can go by is a theory such as Walt Brown's which appears to explain how such things as the ocean's trenches and major mountain ranges formed. I do not know if Walt Brown is evangelical, or not. It doesn't matter to me, for his Hydro-Plate theory, to my mind, is reasonably plausible. Though he holds no degree in geology, we have to bear in mind that university degrees don't always translate to wisdom, and common sense. If there was such a enormous (10 miles thick +/-) amount of subterranean water beneath the earth's crust (as Brown's Hydro-plate theory suggests), that was jettisoned into and beyond earth's atmosphere, indeed the magnitude of weight of the earth's crust would then have violently buckled, through the tremendous sheer force of gravity, forming our ocean trenches and mountains. In Yahoo News, yesterday, there was again another report of tropical trees buried in sediment in Arctic Norway. The trees were buried standing upright. If you have not viewed Brown's 10 minute clip, please find the time to view it. If you have viewed it, look at it again, with an open mind, and consider what he proposes. but you said that he made the video so that even a child would have answers to scientific questions. did he mean that only child phd geologists and archeologists? can you answer the question using the 'knowledge' that you gained from the video or not? i don't need to watch the video. i'm confident in my knowledge of how the scientific method works enough to put your answers to the strict scrutiny that you claim your video has prepared you for.
11/24/2015 3:17:55 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from aphrodisianus: You're a poorly educated buffoon. Irreducible complexity has been refuted years ago which include the bacterial flagellum. Because you didn't know that means scientifically and intellectually backward and avoiding the 21st century. That fact that you have to quote Darwin as if it were current science means you're living in the 19th century. Buffoon away. Making insults and derogatory remarks can be a sign that your agnostic/ atheistic position is vulnerable.
11/24/2015 3:19:55 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from jrbogie1949: but you said that he made the video so that even a child would have answers to scientific questions. did he mean that only child phd geologists and archeologists? can you answer the question using the 'knowledge' that you gained from the video or not? i don't need to watch the video. i'm confident in my knowledge of how the scientific method works enough to put your answers to the strict scrutiny that you claim your video has prepared you for. Can I answer the question using the 'knowledge' that I gained from the [Walt Brown] video or not? Yes, I think I can. I did state some things about ocean trenches and mountain ranges but I can go further. Give me a bit of time and I will.
11/24/2015 5:21:44 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
jester0011 Lake Waccamaw, NC 48, joined Jun. 2014	yes it was
11/24/2015 7:21:26 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 67, joined Mar. 2009	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Can I answer the question using the 'knowledge' that I gained from the [Walt Brown] video or not? Yes, I think I can. I did state some things about ocean trenches and mountain ranges but I can go further. Give me a bit of time and I will. take all the time you wish. obviously you should rely on whatever 'knowledge you may have gained from the video. that's the point, no? simple for children answers to challenges of the scientific method. either the video prepared you or it didn't.
11/24/2015 8:41:38 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from jrbogie1949: take all the time you wish. obviously you should rely on whatever 'knowledge you may have gained from the video. that's the point, no? simple for children answers to challenges of the scientific method. either the video prepared you or it didn't. J.R., with T Day coming up, I better take this on sooner, than later. I sincerely feel the scientific method is greatly challenged by Brown's Hydro-Plate theory of the Genesis flood. Take for example the meteorite that crashed within feet of the boys playing in their backyard in 1998. Law enforcement made sure this was taken to scientists at NASA and they were stunned to find that it contained salt crystals and liquid water. There is no way this meteorite could have broken off an asteroid, for liquid water can not be sustained in the vacuum of space in our solar system. These meteorites, jettisoned into solar orbit, are simply returning to the earth after long ago being blasted into space by the unimaginable catastrophic force of subterranean water exploding through the earth's crust. According to the hydro-plate theory, the earth's crust ruptured due to continual tidal pumping over a layer at least one mile thick of subterranean water. With water skyrocketing, gravity caused the earths plates to compress and buckle, up, into mountains, and down, into oceanic trenches, which most curiously align with each other. How is that? The Genesis flood waters receded into the trenches and lower lying areas. It is amazing that Brown's theory that the Grand Canyon was not formed over billions of years, but a matter of weeks, is likely very true. As flood water settled in inland areas of the Colorado Plateau, in enormous lakes, these lakes breached, like a broken dam, and rapidly carved the Grand Canyon. These are of course not the viewpoints of the general scientific community, but they are viewpoints that are more than feasible. If one will consider the biblical account. But you see, that is the problem. There is a lot of pride within the secular, humanist scientific community, and intellectual pride is very, very hard to crack.
11/25/2015 3:43:32 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from walt_oftheearth: J.R., with T Day coming up, I better take this on sooner, than later. I sincerely feel the scientific method is greatly challenged by Brown's Hydro-Plate theory of the Genesis flood. Take for example the meteorite that crashed within feet of the boys playing in their backyard in 1998. Law enforcement made sure this was taken to scientists at NASA and they were stunned to find that it contained salt crystals and liquid water. There is no way this meteorite could have broken off an asteroid, for liquid water can not be sustained in the vacuum of space in our solar system. These meteorites, jettisoned into solar orbit, are simply returning to the earth after long ago being blasted into space by the unimaginable catastrophic force of subterranean water exploding through the earth's crust. According to the hydro-plate theory, the earth's crust ruptured due to continual tidal pumping over a layer at least one mile thick of subterranean water. With water skyrocketing, gravity caused the earths plates to compress and buckle, up, into mountains, and down, into oceanic trenches, which most curiously align with each other. How is that? The Genesis flood waters receded into the trenches and lower lying areas. It is amazing that Brown's theory that the Grand Canyon was not formed over billions of years, but a matter of weeks, is likely very true. As flood water settled in inland areas of the Colorado Plateau, in enormous lakes, these lakes breached, like a broken dam, and rapidly carved the Grand Canyon. These are of course not the viewpoints of the general scientific community, but they are viewpoints that are more than feasible. If one will consider the biblical account. But you see, that is the problem. There is a lot of pride within the secular, humanist scientific community, and intellectual pride is very, very hard to crack. That's nonsense, Walt! If it wasn't for your christian beliefs ..... you would be laughing at these claims. It is the religious that want to use science to prove their ridiculous claims ..... scientific professionals use science to unveil the truth wherever it leads them. I'll go with the scientific approach ..... which is not trying to prove a myth ..... but ..... find the truth. Peace
11/25/2015 6:51:14 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 67, joined Mar. 2009	Quote from walt_oftheearth: J.R., with T Day coming up, I better take this on sooner, than later. I sincerely feel the scientific method is greatly challenged by Brown's Hydro-Plate theory of the Genesis flood. ah, so now you don't feel that the 'theory' can be challenged by the scientific method. then why say that the purpose of his writings was to provide 'scientific' answers for christian children to respond to critics? what 'scientific' answers can be determined without the 'scientific' method? with this post we seem to agree that a world wide flood cannot be proved with the scientific method. i because there is no evidence that would withstand the scrutiny of the scientific method and you because you admit that the method itself would be challenged to substantiate the theory. we've come full circle. you, or any child, still cannot provide answers that will confirm the theory using the strict scrutiny of the scientific method. you've just given me one more reason not to waste my time watching the video.
11/27/2015 3:04:16 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from jrbogie1949: why say that the purpose of his writings was to provide 'scientific' answers for christian children to respond to critics? That is one of the reasons for his dedication. I think what was mention is college students.
11/27/2015 3:26:19 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
m_gonzales San Antonio, TX 26, joined Sep. 2012	They say cleanliness is next to Godliness, so everytime I shower, I drown every living thing in my area except...Cause love.
11/28/2015 8:37:06 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	. Quote from walt_oftheearth: J.R., with T Day coming up, I better take this on sooner, than later. I sincerely feel the scientific method is greatly challenged by Brown's Hydro-Plate theory of the Genesis flood. As Bogie's response argues, Walt Brown's "theory" cannot seriously challenge the scientific method because the scientific method is the one and only way by which scientific issues are decided. Here's an excellent and informative quote from geologist G. Brent Dalrymple explaining the very good reasons for why this is so: NO MAGIC, PLEASE While the law of cause and effect encourages scientists to seek causative agents to explain the existence of observable effects, there are limitations on the kinds of explanations that are acceptable. A fundamental premise of science is that natural laws do not change with time. We presume that the laws describing the properties and behavior of matter and energy today operate everywhere in the Universe and have operated throughout the history of the Universe. Where scientists have in the past thought that some anomaly was defying the laws, they later learned that they had not been examining the anomaly properly or that the original law was inadequate—and then understanding of the scientific law changed accordingly. If natural laws are constant and predictable, then it follows that supernatural agents may not be invoked in science; magic, witchcraft, or intervention by a supreme being are excluded as possible causes. This does not mean that a supreme being does not exist or that Earth was not created by some miraculous event, only that such an explanation is forbidden in the world of science. Why is this? If science were not restricted to natural explanations, there would be little reason to seek them, for everything could instead be explained easily by calling upon supernatural acts. Admittedly this would save a lot of effort and expense, but it would also result in a rather unpredictable and useless science. Science takes as one of its starting points the premise that nature is decipherable, and that it is reasonable and profitable to ask questions about the history of the Universe, including the age of Earth. Quote from walt_oftheearth: Take for example the meteorite that crashed within feet of the boys playing in their backyard in 1998. Law enforcement made sure this was taken to scientists at NASA and they were stunned to find that it contained salt crystals and liquid water. There is no way this meteorite could have broken off an asteroid, for liquid water can not be sustained in the vacuum of space in our solar system. These meteorites, jettisoned into solar orbit, are simply returning to the earth after long ago being blasted into space by the unimaginable catastrophic force of subterranean water exploding through the earth's crust. The water in the meteorite you're discussing is locked in salt crystals that are smaller than the width of a human hair, so is it factually correct to describe it as "liquid"? One imagines that when the meteorite was floating in the coldness of space the water would be in the form of ice, and that only the fact that the water is locked inside these crystals has allowed it to survive the heat from friction that the meteorite underwent as it descended through the Earth's atmosphere. You don't say anything about the chemical composition of the meteorite water. Not all water from objects in outer space has the same chemical composition as water on Earth. For example, the water found on some comets is heavy water and therefore is thought not to have supplied Earth's oceans via cometary bombardments early in the history of the Solar System.
11/28/2015 8:37:26 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	More stuff.. I believe your meteorite is the one also discussed in this article. As you can read, scientific examination of the meteorite has determined that its salt crystals have been dated to 4.57 billion years, which is older than any exposed rocks on Earth, and the rock has been confirmed as forming in space a very long time ago and definitely did not originate from Earth. It was important for the research team to be certain that this water was not a terrestrial contaminant. They were able to confirm the extraterrestrial origin of the water by measuring Xenon, Iodine, and Argon isotopes contained within the halite crystals. A large amount of Xenon-129 was found. Xenon-129 forms when Iodine-129 decays. While Iodine-129 was in existence in the early solar system, it is not found on Earth today. Once the amount of Iodine-129 was determined it was a straightforward process to see how much of it had decayed into Xenon-129. Since this happens at a rather precise rate (the half life of Iodine-129 is 15.7 million years), the researchers were able to date the salt crystals as being 4.57 billion years old. This confirmed the assumption that the halite had indeed formed in space a very long time ago. http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=157 Have you considered that a dramatic explosive global catastrophic event of a magnitude powerful enough to blast Earth rocks into space at a speed of 7 miles per second (which is the Earth's escape velocity) would probably also blow any artefacts such as a giant boat into matchwood? Another thing to consider is that there's no need for a theory that meteorites falling onto the Earth originated from the Earth itself. Scientists are well aware that all of the material in the Solar System originated in the same Solar Nebula from which the Earth formed some 5 billion years ago. This rocky and icy material is known to litter the Solar System, with an especially large concentration of it in the asteroid belt, which lies between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. Many meteorites have actually been dated using radiometric techniques, and have been found to be the oldest objects in the Solar System — older than any exposed rocks on Earth — and therefore they cannot have been formed from the Earth. If any of those rocks had been blasted from the Earth in molten form a few thousand years ago within the timescale that humans have inhabited the Earth, the radiogenic elements of their mineral components would have been set to zero and they wouldn't show such great ages. There aren't any rocks as old as that on earth, because the Earth is geologically active and is constantly recycling its rocks via the actions of vulcanism and subduction — the very geological activities that Walt Brown is attempting to deny happen by his unsupported theory of recent catastrophism. Here's a table showing the Earth's oldest rocks. Compare with my previous chart and see how they aren't quite as old as meteorites that have been radiometrically dated. Walt Brown claims that during the catastrophic event he describes in his "theory", the continents raced around the globe at rapid speeds and cause mountain formation. We know from data gained by studying sea bed rocks that this cannot be so. The rocks on sea floors can be dated using radiometric techniques. Also, we know that the new rock formed at the interfaces of tectonic plates such as the mid Atlantic ridge are magnetically striped. Molten rock contains metallic iron elements that when formed, orientate themselves in accordance with the Earth's magnetic field. Every so often, the Earth's magnetic field goes into reverse and flips. These reversal events are recorded in the newly laid rock and can be seen to form stripes that show them alternate over time. If Walt Brown's theory of superspeed continental drift was correct, this stripy evidence of gradual movement of continents would not exist. [imghttp://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss91/clarenceclutterbuck/Geology/Sea%20Floor_zpsngvpllq8.jpg]' /> http://www.earthobservatory.sg/faq-on-earth-sciences/how-do-we-know-age-seafloor-0 Just a few points there that you may care to address. [Edited 11/28/2015 8:40:05 AM ]
11/28/2015 8:43:03 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	That's a tragedy. My graphic on Sea Floor dating and magnetic striping didn't come out as planned. Remedied: http://www.earthobservatory.sg/faq-on-earth-sciences/how-do-we-know-age-seafloor-0 [Edited 11/28/2015 8:43:57 AM ]
11/28/2015 10:14:06 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 67, joined Mar. 2009	Quote from walt_oftheearth: That is one of the reasons for his dedication. I think what was mention is college students. this is getting absurd, walt. you seem to just want to argue. how could you possibly mention 'children' specifically and now you think it was 'college students' that he was talking about? since you say you saw the video and have problems remembering what was said, why would i even begin to think you learned anything from your so called theory much less anything that is scientific in nature. but my guess is you won't give up. you'll continue to search for 'scientists' who will provide 'scientific' evidence of bible bull shit that cannot be challenged under the strict scrutiny of the scientific method and then whine about nobody wanting to waste their time watching an internet video that is sure to explain the universe.
11/28/2015 11:14:39 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from nonstandard: I could accept a flooded earth , much more easily , than I could accept that somebody could construct a massive ship 2000+BC. I have to give you credit , your faith is beyond belief . Faith defined is simply trusting. But we can not have absolute trust in science, for it can not save us. And the one thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history. We are deaf, dumb, and blind sheep. New Testament Greek word : pe-styü'-o ...... to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in of the thing believed to credit, have confidence in a moral or religious reference used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity to be intrusted with a thing
11/28/2015 11:34:24 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 67, joined Mar. 2009	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Faith defined is simply trusting. But we can not have absolute trust in science, for it can not save us. And the one thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history. We are deaf, dumb, and blind sheep. New Testament Greek word : pe-styü'-o ...... to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in of the thing believed to credit, have confidence in a moral or religious reference used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity to be intrusted with a thing you know, walt, with this i actually think you make your point much better than when you attempt to throw science at it. your point still fails miserably but you do a better job of making it.
11/28/2015 11:36:00 AM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from jrbogie1949: this is getting absurd, walt. Every post that Walt makes is absurd! Peace
11/28/2015 12:24:50 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	. Quote from jrbogie1949: you know, walt, with this i actually think you make your point much better than when you attempt to throw science at it. your point still fails miserably but you do a better job of making it. And Walt's overarching point is that people should abandon the scientific method as representative of human pride, and obsequiously bow to the inevitable truth of a biblical literalist worldview — which not everyone can or should do, because the doctrine of biblical literalism is a myopic view embraced only by a small sub-group even of Christian believers themselves who generally comprise of a range of people, some of whom fully accept a modern scientific understanding of the world and try to integrate it, however unsatisfactorily, with their religious beliefs. [Edited 11/28/2015 12:26:19 PM ]
11/28/2015 12:25:51 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from sail_dancer: Every post that Walt makes is absurd! Depends on one's point of view. To some, the claims of evolution are absurd, and remain absurd
11/28/2015 12:27:37 PM	Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	. Quote from walt_oftheearth: Depends on one's point of view. To some, the claims of evolution are absurd, and remain absurd Evolution is absurd only to people whose religious conditioning renders them unwilling or unable to embrace reason.

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