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11/16/2015 10:43:37 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Back on topic. For those who have watched this short video, does Brown's theory seem at all plausible to you?

Paste this url in your browser, and watch the 10 minute PhD Walt Brown's hydroplate theory of the Genesis flood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9ZGt9UA-U
______________________________________________________________________

Oh, and yes, JR, I am aware that there is a scientific process. But I am also aware that there are scientists today that are dead set against anything faith based, that infers the existence of a God. Scientists are human and have their biases.

Let those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see, hear and see.

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11/16/2015 11:31:29 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
But I am also aware that there are scientists today that are dead set against anything faith based

So they should be. The scientific method is designed to find truths about nature based on evidence, not faith, which is belief in the absence of evidence. Therein lies the deep conflict between science and religion. You are free to believe what you like but just don't claim it to be true without some kind of evidence. The bottom line is that the so-called "theories" of these unqualified people you're bringing up just don't make the grade in the real world.



[Edited 11/16/2015 11:34:47 AM ]

11/16/2015 12:16:18 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
m_gonzales
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Back on topic. For those who have watched this short video, does Brown's theory seem at all plausible to you?


No.

11/16/2015 1:58:36 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

sail_dancer
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Let those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see, hear and see.



And those that have brains ..... to use them.

I suggest you start using yours.

Peace

11/16/2015 2:16:45 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Back on topic. For those who have watched this short video, does Brown's theory seem at all plausible to you?

Paste this url in your browser, and watch the 10 minute PhD Walt Brown's hydroplate theory of the Genesis flood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9ZGt9UA-U
______________________________________________________________________

Oh, and yes, JR, I am aware that there is a scientific process. But I am also aware that there are scientists today that are dead set against anything faith based, that infers the existence of a God. Scientists are human and have their biases.

Let those who have ears to hear, and eyes to see, hear and see.


name one scientist that is 'dead set against anything faith based.' but so what? faith has no place in the scientific method. you cannot understand that of course because you haven't a clue what the scientific method entails as your posts keep showing over and over again. science cannot consider anything faith based simply because the method depends on observation and testing. your particular faith is in god. name one aspect of god that can be observed or tested. a child has faith in the tooth fairy but there is no aspect of the tooth fairy that can be observed or tested so with gods, the afterlife, tooth fairies and other supernatural phenomena science is not capable of studying using the scientific method. biased or not, a scientist is not capable of observing or testing god or anything else faith based using the strict scrutiny of the scientific method. you won't get this either, obviously, but there it is.

11/16/2015 2:20:53 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

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Quote from jrbogie1949:
name one scientist that is 'dead set against anything faith based.' but so what? faith has no place in the scientific method. you cannot understand that of course because you haven't a clue what the scientific method entails as your posts keep showing over and over again. science cannot consider anything faith based simply because the method depends on observation and testing. your particular faith is in god. name one aspect of god that can be observed or tested. a child has faith in the tooth fairy but there is no aspect of the tooth fairy that can be observed or tested so with gods, the afterlife, tooth fairies and other supernatural phenomena science is not capable of studying using the scientific method. biased or not, a scientist is not capable of observing or testing god or anything else faith based using the strict scrutiny of the scientific method. you won't get this either, obviously, but there it is.




Peace

11/16/2015 3:49:49 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

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Quote from sail_dancer:
I see you're back again ..... posting your nonsense.

Is it because they changed your medication dosage again?

Peace


No, is because he wants to compete with Lud for the De-brained of the Year Award.

11/16/2015 4:25:16 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
Yasureoktoo
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I found an actual piece of the Ark that broke off and ended up in my yard.

I am selling it to the highest bidder.

PS. It has dove shit on it.

11/16/2015 7:49:13 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Yes, there have been so many wonderful contributions through science that have vastly improved our lives on this blue marble. Science has done good things.

But the same science that saves, also destroys us. Just one example: high tech methods of strip mining for coal. China is using 1/3 of all coal burned in the world, and we see the results.

Science brings results we can test and see. Is that as far as the human heart wants to go?

11/16/2015 8:11:02 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
ron6280a
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Quote from Yasureoktoo:
I found an actual piece of the Ark that broke off and ended up in my yard.

I am selling it to the highest bidder.

PS. It has dove shit on it.


What does the bidding start at?

11/16/2015 8:16:29 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from duchessa:
No, is because he wants to compete with Lud for the De-brained of the Year Award.


I have seen before, you like to insult people. Is that all you can do?

11/16/2015 8:36:26 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Yes, there have been so many wonderful contributions through science that have vastly improved our lives on this blue marble. Science has done good things.

But the same science that saves, also destroys us. Just one example: high tech methods of strip mining for coal. China is using 1/3 of all coal burned in the world, and we see the results.

Science brings results we can test and see. Is that as far as the human heart wants to go?


my heart is a four chamber, two stoke electromuscular pump that provides hydraulic pressure to my circulatory system that delivers nutrients and oxygen to my organs and removes carbon dioxide and other unused elements via my lungs and renal system. science happens in my brain.

11/16/2015 8:37:47 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

aphrodisianus
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Mental illness knows no boundaries. Anyone can succumb. The religious are special. They have embraced mental pathology and incorporated it's disordered and delusional thinking into its pseudo science to support fairy tales written in the bible.

11/16/2015 8:53:19 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
ron6280a
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Quote from aphrodisianus:
Mental illness knows no boundaries. Anyone can succumb.


And you did

11/17/2015 2:56:03 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
clarence2
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Yes, there have been so many wonderful contributions through science that have vastly improved our lives on this blue marble. Science has done good things.

But the same science that saves, also destroys us. Just one example: high tech methods of strip mining for coal. China is using 1/3 of all coal burned in the world, and we see the results.

Science brings results we can test and see. Is that as far as the human heart wants to go?

Countries like our own have been burning fossil fuels since the industrial revolution and are responsible for most of the associated rise in atmospheric greenhouse gases. Developing countries like China and India only want what we've had the benefit of for all our lives, so they can hardly be blamed for that. Anyway, the science involved in the highly necessary field of energy production won't "destroy us" if we use our noggins and invest our efforts in developing means of generating clean energy.

As for where the "human heart" wants to go, I think it might be directed towards the global eradication of social ills such as war, poverty, disease, hunger, unfair discrimination on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, disability etc, and conservation of the environment. If people want to worship their God/s that's okay too as long as they aren't harming anyone, and would maybe come under the category of recreational activity. Like sport.



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11/17/2015 6:01:54 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

duchessa
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I have seen before, you like to insult people. Is that all you can do?


But only when it comes to you and those like you...my funny bone emerges

11/17/2015 11:54:19 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

nonstandard
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Creationists theorize that if it cant be proven otherwise , that it must be true .

Using their own theory , I could say that space monkeys created the universe , and if you cant prove that space monkeys don't exist , then it must be true .

11/17/2015 12:17:19 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

nonstandard
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There are many unknown mysteries that science is honest enough to say they don't know .

Creationist have a monopoly on it , they say they know , and no one can prove otherwise .

11/17/2015 1:38:39 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

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Quote from sail_dancer:


Anyone that believes in this BS ..... is batshit crazy.

Peace


You don't want to believe because you think the world is getting better? Good luck with that.

It is written that Noah wasn't just building the Ark for all those years. For all those years he had been pleading with people, preaching repentance. And not a single person came. Maybe kids wanted to, but were held back by their parents.

Those kids that had not yet reached the age of accountability may not be eternally lost.

11/17/2015 4:02:11 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

nonstandard
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Or maybe , they don't want to get raped ?

11/17/2015 7:13:47 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

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yes it was.

11/17/2015 7:26:55 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from nonstandard:
Or maybe , they don't want to get raped ?


Sorry. I am not understanding your post

11/17/2015 7:27:04 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
You don't want to believe because you think the world is getting better? Good luck with that.

It is written that Noah wasn't just building the Ark for all those years. For all those years he had been pleading with people, preaching repentance. And not a single person came. Maybe kids wanted to, but were held back by their parents.

Those kids that had not yet reached the age of accountability may not be eternally lost.


what was/is the age of accountability?

11/17/2015 8:44:07 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
what was/is the age of accountability?


Seems from our judicial system today, it is what? 12 or 14? But I truly feel that with God, He doesn't look at age, but what a child has experienced. Some of us have not had the best of upbringings.

11/17/2015 9:04:02 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Seems from our judicial system today, it is what? 12 or 14? But I truly feel that with God, He doesn't look at age, but what a child has experienced. Some of us have not had the best of upbringings.


so you don't know what the age of accountability is and yet you use the term to make a point. walt, do you ever give any thought to what you're about to say before you say it? and what does upbringing have to do with accountability? are people with poor upbringing not accountable for their behavior?

11/17/2015 9:44:51 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

aphrodisianus
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Why are adults arguing about a children's story?

11/17/2015 9:53:38 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
what does upbringing have to do with accountability? are people with poor upbringing not accountable for their behavior?


Courts, as well a juries in criminal matters, take into account what happened in the childhood of an offender.

So does God.

I would site a scripture but I remember you do not like that.



[Edited 11/17/2015 9:54:58 PM ]

11/17/2015 10:08:34 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
clarence2
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What about that time in Leviticus 10 where Yahweh personally zapped two of Aaron's sons for getting the details of an incense burning ceremony wrong? He wasn't very understanding of errant youth on that occasion.

Nadab and Abihu

Now Aaron’s sons, Nadab and Abihu, each took his censer, put fire in it, and laid incense on it; and they offered unholy fire before the Lord, such as he had not commanded them. 2 And fire came out from the presence of the Lord and consumed them, and they died before the Lord. 3 Then Moses said to Aaron, “This is what the Lord meant when he said,

‘Through those who are near me
       I will show myself holy,
and before all the people
       I will be glorified.’”

And Aaron was silent.

                              

11/18/2015 6:25:10 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Courts, as well a juries in criminal matters, take into account what happened in the childhood of an offender.

So does God.

I would site a scripture but I remember you do not like that.




Personally I like reading scripture for insight into ancient superstition which at times is very entertaining. It's possible some of the authors were comedians.

So you're switching subjects and done with the zoo cruise fable?

The problem with gods is they remain silent unless you're having hallucinations. Psychosis is no joke. It's a serious mental disorder.



[Edited 11/18/2015 6:25:30 AM ]

11/18/2015 8:12:33 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Courts, as well a juries in criminal matters, take into account what happened in the childhood of an offender.

So does God.

I would site a scripture but I remember you do not like that.


fine, then cite a criminal case where a poor upbringing mitigated a jury verdict. the 'abuse defense' is only effective when the victim of the crime was the abuser and then mostly as regarding the sentence after being found guilty. i refer you to the state of california vs menendez. two ADULT sons who killed their parents. but you're changing the subject which you alluded to; that of an 'age of accountability.' if you were correct that a poor upbringing is mitigating in criminal justice then it would follow that there is no 'age of accountability' for someone who had an unfortunate childhood. fact is, there is no legal age of accountability in america. there is the 'age of maturity' when a person passes from childhood to adulthood. in most states that age is 18, 19 in one or two and 21 in some but nowhere is the age of maturity lower than 18.

so much for your knowledge of jurisprudence in america and you've already solidified in my mind your lack of understanding of the physical sciences but sure, if you can find it, this one time i'll read any passage in the bible that mentions an 'age of accountability.' let's see if you even know the bible.

11/18/2015 2:55:34 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from clarence2:
What about that time in Leviticus 10 where Yahweh personally zapped two of Aaron's sons for getting the details of an incense burning ceremony wrong? He wasn't very understanding of errant youth on that occasion.

Nadab and Abihu

Now Aaron’s sons, Nadab and Abihu, each took his censer, put fire in it, and laid incense on it; and they offered unholy fire before the Lord, such as he had not commanded them. 2 And fire came out from the presence of the Lord and consumed them, and they died before the Lord. 3 Then Moses said to Aaron, “This is what the Lord meant when he said,

‘Through those who are near me
       I will show myself holy,
and before all the people
       I will be glorified.’”

And Aaron was silent.

                              


"And Aaron was silent." I would be, too, after experiencing that. Silent, and grieving for a long time.

But what do we make of God's action here? Did Aaron's sons know that they were doing what they wanted, and not what was heretofore clearly specified? These actions took place in what God described to Moses to build; an earthly sanctuary, for God's presence to dwell with them.

With a holy God, not everything goes. Not everything is O.K.

There is this instance of Aaron's sons perishing, and many more instances recorded in the Old Testament where that rag tag lot did whatever seemed right, and suffered the consequences.

A man was stoned to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath.

In another instance, the ground opened up and swallowed a lot of people.

God also (because of some serious offense) sent venomous snakes that killed a great number of people,... and God told Moses to make an image of a snake and tie it high on the top of a pole, so that those who would look upon it, though having been bit, would live.

Later, Jesus said, "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the son of man be lifted up That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

If you were this holy God, Who has been described as a consuming fire, what would you have done? Just let them do as they please? Look at it from God's point of view, as He seeks to make a people He could call His own.

11/18/2015 3:08:09 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
sure, if you can find it, this one time i'll read any passage in the bible that mentions an 'age of accountability


The expression "age of accountability" does not appear anywhere in scripture. But there are a couple texts that speak to it:

Isaiah 7:16

"For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted."

And in speaking towards humans that have had very much less than ideal beginnings, here are words indicating God knows about and will deal with everyone uniquely:

Isaiah 42:3
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

This passage was quoted by Jesus when He returned from 40 days in the wilderness, and went into a Synagogue, and was given a scroll from Isaiah.....

Matthew 12:20
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

11/18/2015 4:24:27 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
clarence2
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:

If you were this holy God, Who has been described as a consuming fire, what would you have done? Just let them do as they please? Look at it from God's point of view, as He seeks to make a people He could call His own.

My view is that using violence on people to get them to obey you is a sign of weakness and not strength, and would not be indicative of a superior intelligence at work. I think the Torah (including Noah's flood) is mostly fiction anyway, and the factual part of the Bible doesn't get underway until the books of Kings, which contain some historical information, and even more so in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah, which concern the Israelites returning to their land after the Persians conquer the Babylonians and king Cyrus permits the return of the Israelite captives to Judah. There are no miracles or fanciful Divine demonstrative acts in those books.

11/18/2015 4:44:05 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
The expression "age of accountability" does not appear anywhere in scripture. But there are a couple texts that speak to it:

Isaiah 7:16

"For before the boy knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land whose two kings you dread will be deserted."

And in speaking towards humans that have had very much less than ideal beginnings, here are words indicating God knows about and will deal with everyone uniquely:

Isaiah 42:3
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

This passage was quoted by Jesus when He returned from 40 days in the wilderness, and went into a Synagogue, and was given a scroll from Isaiah.....

Matthew 12:20
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.


hahahaha. oh yeah, that's really speaking to 'an age of accountability.' hahahahaaaaa. no wonder you buy into the ark shit.

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look up kent hovind on utube about the flood.

11/18/2015 8:23:14 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from jester0011:
look up kent hovind on utube about the flood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO16pjS5DNk

11/19/2015 6:32:12 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

aphrodisianus
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Aside from religious loons getting their delusions from psychological disorders, cognitive distortions, and psychosis turn to other uneducated buffoons like Kent Hovind and Ron Wyatt.

Its no surprise the hyper-religious have lower IQs than everyone else.

11/19/2015 7:54:48 AM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  
clarence2
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An analysis here of how the Noah's flood story was preceded by similar stories from other cultures dating back up to 1,000 years before the biblical yarn was written down:

Noah's Ark is Plagiarized. Here's how we know ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_um69RqBpSw

I like this bit from the end of the Noah video where Peter Capaldi plays the part of a non-fan describing Star Wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg-pnGFbwMQ

11/19/2015 1:35:02 PM Was Noah's Flood Real? View This 10 Minute Presentation.  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from aphrodisianus:
Aside from religious loons getting their delusions from psychological disorders, cognitive distortions, and psychosis turn to other uneducated buffoons like Kent Hovind and Ron Wyatt.

Its no surprise the hyper-religious have lower IQs than everyone else.


Kent Hovind is not uneducated. He holds a master degree, taught high school science for 15 years, who now spends his time lecturing. In this video Hovind debates Dr. Farrell Till, a former pastor, turned atheist, ... about the Genesis flood.

I'll let folks decide for themselves whether or not Kent Hovind has a lower IQ, or not.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnK4dTtX8L0

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walt_oftheearth
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Quote from clarence2:
An analysis here of how the Noah's flood story was preceded by similar stories from other cultures dating back up to 1,000 years before the biblical yarn was written down:

Noah's Ark is Plagiarized. Here's how we know ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_um69RqBpSw

I like this bit from the end of the Noah video where Peter Capaldi plays the part of a non-fan describing Star Wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg-pnGFbwMQ


Not true, my friend. The peoples that disseminated after the Genesis flood, kept in their histories, the reality of the worldwide flood. And that remains even until today.

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Kent Hovind is not uneducated. He holds a master degree, taught high school science for 15 years, who now spends his time lecturing.


I think he spends his time not being in jail, actually.

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clarence2
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Wiki entry on Hovind's "education":

Education[edit]

Patriot University

Though he styles himself "Dr. Kent Hovind" or "Dr. Dino", Hovind's known degrees are all from unaccredited institutions.

In 1971, he graduated from East Peoria Community High School in East Peoria, Illinois. He entered the accredited Illinois Central College, then transferred to the unaccredited Midwestern Baptist College in 1972, attaining a Bachelor of Religious Education in 1974.[1] In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind received a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from (also unaccredited) Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[notes 1][8][9]

Having a website called "Dr. Dino" has provoked some academics to look closely at how Hovind presents his education and credentials. He has no training in paleontology.[10] Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy, expert on the history of creationism and activist in the creation-evolution controversy, wrote that Hovind's lack of training makes academic discussion impossible[9] and has said that his understanding of historical and scientific research is deficient.[11] Patriot University is a diploma mill.[11][12] Karen Bartelt, an organic chemistry professor who debated Hovind,[9] examined Hovind's dissertation and found it is short,[notes 2] contains numerous spelling errors, lacks references, shows flawed reasoning, and does not present any original research.[10][13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind#Education



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walt_oftheearth
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Quote from clarence2:
Wiki entry on Hovind's "education":

Education[edit]

Patriot University

Though he styles himself "Dr. Kent Hovind" or "Dr. Dino", Hovind's known degrees are all from unaccredited institutions.

In 1971, he graduated from East Peoria Community High School in East Peoria, Illinois. He entered the accredited Illinois Central College, then transferred to the unaccredited Midwestern Baptist College in 1972, attaining a Bachelor of Religious Education in 1974.[1] In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind received a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from (also unaccredited) Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[notes 1][8][9]

Having a website called "Dr. Dino" has provoked some academics to look closely at how Hovind presents his education and credentials. He has no training in paleontology.[10] Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy, expert on the history of creationism and activist in the creation-evolution controversy, wrote that Hovind's lack of training makes academic discussion impossible[9] and has said that his understanding of historical and scientific research is deficient.[11] Patriot University is a diploma mill.[11][12] Karen Bartelt, an organic chemistry professor who debated Hovind,[9] examined Hovind's dissertation and found it is short,[notes 2] contains numerous spelling errors, lacks references, shows flawed reasoning, and does not present any original research.[10][13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind#Education


Academia, Clarence, can today, most often result in atheism, for that is what is taught in most universities. Atheism, no matter how you spell it, is a religion/ belief system. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist, as to be a Christian. Maybe even more.

I attended a Christian college, graduating in 1981, and that school was accredited. So I suspect your claiming the schools Hovind attended being unaccredited may be suspect.

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I think he spends his time not being in jail, actually.


Eh? What are you talking about?

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Eh? What are you talking about?


Apparently you didn't read Clarence's link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind#Sentencing.2C_appeals.2C_and_imprisonment_.282007.E2.80.93present.29

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Quote from m_gonzales:
I think he spends his time not being in jail, actually.

Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Eh? What are you talking about?


Don't be coy. Tell us what you mean by your statement

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According to studies religious people, particularly Christians show a lower intelligence. Walt, can you explain why?

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Quote from aphrodisianus:
According to studies religious people, particularly Christians show a lower intelligence. Walt, can you explain why?


I am a Christian and my IQ has been tested to be quite high. So, your studies from the experts you believe, are not true, at least in my case, anyway.

But attempting to put people beneath you (as you are a trying to here), has always been a sign of desperation. What are you desperate about?

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I am a Christian and my IQ has been tested to be quite high. So, your studies from the experts you believe, are not true, at least in my case, anyway.

But attempting to put people beneath you (as you are a trying to here), has always been a sign of desperation. What are you desperate about?


Stupidity is the inability to properly apply the intelligence you were born with.

Since you obviously are unable to apply the intelligence you were born with ..... I guess you would be considered stupid.

Peace

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I am a Christian and my IQ has been tested to be quite high. So, your studies from the experts you believe, are not true, at least in my case, anyway.

Generally, and that is how the studies put it, as generally religious people are a dumb group because you have to be quite stupid to believe in superstitious nonsense. You have to be quite stupid believe in uneducated and unqualified folk such as Kent Hovind and Ron Wyatt.

The reason for that is that religious folk such as yourself use faulty logic, poor reasoning, magical thinking and often incoherent. Coincidentally that is how mentally ill people think, particularly those with psychosis sharing similar or the same cognitive structures. It's often not a coincidence because their primary delusions are religious delusions.

As for IQ, mental illness and IQ don't necessarily correlate. For example, schizophrenics can have a genius IQ. However, during psychotic episodes they are completely batshit delusional. Christians celebrate these mental malfunctions and have names for them, e.g. being slain in the spirit or babbling in glossolalia. Those with the more common schizotypal disorder have the milder form of schizophrenia and suffer the same kinds of religious delusions you have.

But attempting to put people beneath you (as you are a trying to here), has always been a sign of desperation. What are you desperate about?
I've been desperately in need of a Ultra HD TV and a new Apple but I think I'll wait for next year.

The desperation is upon you to seek a qualified mental health professional.



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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Academia, Clarence, can today, most often result in atheism, for that is what is taught in most universities.

What you mean is that most universities teach critical inquiry and not a religiously biased worldview, like the unaccredited Christian institutions that Kent Hovind attended, and you disapprove of this. Tough. I think if there is a God, he would have intended humans to make full use of their noggins.

Or as Galileo said:

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.

Atheism, no matter how you spell it, is a religion/ belief system. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist, as to be a Christian. Maybe even more.

Atheism is a lack of belief, or a denial of the existence of deities. Disbelief in deities does not require faith. As Richard Dawkins said:

“We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

My opinion is that people probably inherit a belief in God/s from their parents and don't question the idea much. It just becomes natural for them and is believed probably for emotional reasons. As you stated earlier though, people who are exposed to higher education and critical inquiry are probably more likely to become non-religious.

I attended a Christian college, graduating in 1981, and that school was accredited. So I suspect your claiming the schools Hovind attended being unaccredited may be suspect.

I did a bit of Googling about Hovind's education at Midwestern Baptist College and Patriot Bible University and came up with this:

Midwestern Baptist College is not accredited by any accreditation body recognized by its country. According to the US Department of Education, unaccredited degrees and credits might not be acceptable to employers or other institutions, and use of degree titles may be restricted or illegal in some jurisdictions.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_Baptist_College

I checked this site and drew a blank.

http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.aspx

I also drew a blank on that site for Patriot University in Colorado Springs. The university's website states:

Patriot Bible University (as of October 2008) is accredited by the Accrediting Commission International. This accreditation is quality non-governmental Christian accreditation, that recognizes high standards of Biblical and academic training.
http://www.patriotuniversity.com/PatriotUniversity.com.html

Wikipedia again:

Accrediting Commission International (ACI), also known as Accrediting Commission International for Schools, Colleges, and Theological Seminaries, possibly associated with International Accrediting Commission (IAC), also known as International Accrediting Commission for Schools, Colleges and Theological Seminaries,[2][3] is an unrecognized educational accreditation corporation in the United States.[4] It primarily accredits religious schools, including seminaries and Bible colleges, and also offers accreditation to non-U.S. schools that offer business education programs.[4] John F. Scheel is president.[1]

A non Wiki site here lists Accrediting Commission International (ACI), as unrecognized and states:

List of Fake College Degree Accreditation Agencies

Here is the official Get Educated list of 40+ fake college accreditation agencies that claim to oversee a variety of online college and university degree programs.

Most of these agencies "accredit" diploma mills or degree mills.

Consumers Beware: NONE of these accrediting agencies are recognized as college accreditors in the U.S. by the Council on Higher Education Accreditation or the U.S. Department of Education. As such, colleges claiming “accreditation” by these agencies are not accepted as valid providers of online degrees and should be approached with great caution if college credibility is important to you.

Remember, most diploma mills and degree mills are accredited—but by fake or phony agencies that the degree mills themselves own and operate!
http://www.geteducated.com/college-degree-mills/204-fake-agencies-for-college-accreditation

It is evident that there's a related problem with all the sources you use on this thread to support a biblical literalist view of Noah's Flood. Walt Brown has a flood friendly theory about geology but isn't a trained geologist. Ron Wyatt claims to have discovered Noah's Ark and various other biblical sites but isn't a qualified archaeologist. Kent Hovind expounds on palaeontological matters but has no qualification of any kind in the field. His only qualifications are in theology and are from unaccredited institutions. There's a pattern here in your preference for dubious and unqualified sources of information to support a biblical literalist perspective. I recall from previous discussions that you have an antipathy towards critical study of the Bible as literature, which you dismiss as "higher criticism".

I'd suggest you should use your high IQ to consider other perspectives, such as the one presented here by Christine Hayes, who is a genuine professor of Religious Studies at Yale University.

In this lecture, Professor Hayes compares the biblical Flood story with The Epic of Gilgamesh. The Epic is an ancient Mesopotamian poem that describes a global flood and contains some close parallels to the Genesis story. As Prof Hayes outlines, the first complete version of the story exists on stone tablets dated at 700 BCE, but there are earlier dated tablet fragments dated at 1800 BCE. Compare this to the date of circa 500 BCE when Genesis was estimated to have been written and make your own mind up. My opinion is that the stories are related and may have been inspired by ancient local flooding of Mesopotamian plains that bordered the Euphrates and Tigris rivers.



                                           http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145/lecture-4



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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I am a Christian and my IQ has been tested to be quite high.


what is your iq walt?

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Quote from clarence2:
.
Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Academia, Clarence, can today, most often result in atheism, for that is what is taught in most universities.

What you mean is that most universities teach critical inquiry and not a religiously biased worldview, like the unaccredited Christian institutions that Kent Hovind attended, and you disapprove of this. Tough. I think if there is a God, he would have intended humans to make full use of their noggins.

Or as Galileo said:

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.

Atheism, no matter how you spell it, is a religion/ belief system. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist, as to be a Christian. Maybe even more.

Atheism is a lack of belief, or a denial of the existence of deities. Disbelief in deities does not require faith. As Richard Dawkins said:

“We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

My opinion is that people probably inherit a belief in God/s from their parents and don't question the idea much. It just becomes natural for them and is believed probably for emotional reasons. As you stated earlier though, people who are exposed to higher education and critical inquiry are probably more likely to become non-religious.

I attended a Christian college, graduating in 1981, and that school was accredited. So I suspect your claiming the schools Hovind attended being unaccredited may be suspect.

I did a bit of Googling about Hovind's education at Midwestern Baptist College and Patriot Bible University and came up with this:

Midwestern Baptist College is not accredited by any accreditation body recognized by its country. According to the US Department of Education, unaccredited degrees and credits might not be acceptable to employers or other institutions, and use of degree titles may be restricted or illegal in some jurisdictions.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_Baptist_College

I checked this site and drew a blank.

http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.aspx

I also drew a blank on that site for Patriot University in Colorado Springs. The university's website states:

Patriot Bible University (as of October 2008) is accredited by the Accrediting Commission International. This accreditation is quality non-governmental Christian accreditation, that recognizes high standards of Biblical and academic training.
http://www.patriotuniversity.com/PatriotUniversity.com.html

Wikipedia again:

Accrediting Commission International (ACI), also known as Accrediting Commission International for Schools, Colleges, and Theological Seminaries, possibly associated with International Accrediting Commission (IAC), also known as International Accrediting Commission for Schools, Colleges and Theological Seminaries,[2][3] is an unrecognized educational accreditation corporation in the United States.[4] It primarily accredits religious schools, including seminaries and Bible colleges, and also offers accreditation to non-U.S. schools that offer business education programs.[4] John F. Scheel is president.[1]

A non Wiki site here lists Accrediting Commission International (ACI), as unrecognized and states:

List of Fake College Degree Accreditation Agencies

Here is the official Get Educated list of 40+ fake college accreditation agencies that claim to oversee a variety of online college and university degree programs.

Most of these agencies "accredit" diploma mills or degree mills.

Consumers Beware: NONE of these accrediting agencies are recognized as college accreditors in the U.S. by the Council on Higher Education Accreditation or the U.S. Department of Education. As such, colleges claiming “accreditation” by these agencies are not accepted as valid providers of online degrees and should be approached with great caution if college credibility is important to you.

Remember, most diploma mills and degree mills are accredited—but by fake or phony agencies that the degree mills themselves own and operate!
http://www.geteducated.com/college-degree-mills/204-fake-agencies-for-college-accreditation

It is evident that there's a related problem with all the sources you use on this thread to support a biblical literalist view of Noah's Flood. Walt Brown has a flood friendly theory about geology but isn't a trained geologist. Ron Wyatt claims to have discovered Noah's Ark and various other biblical sites but isn't a qualified archaeologist. Kent Hovind expounds on palaeontological matters but has no qualification of any kind in the field. His only qualifications are in theology and are from unaccredited institutions. There's a pattern here in your preference for dubious and unqualified sources of information to support a biblical literalist perspective. I recall from previous discussions that you have an antipathy towards critical study of the Bible as literature, which you dismiss as "higher criticism".

I'd suggest you should use your high IQ to consider other perspectives, such as the one presented here by Christine Hayes, who is a genuine professor of Religious Studies at Yale University.

In this lecture, Professor Hayes compares the biblical Flood story with The Epic of Gilgamesh. The Epic is an ancient Mesopotamian poem that describes a global flood and contains some close parallels to the Genesis story. As Prof Hayes outlines, the first complete version of the story exists on stone tablets dated at 700 BCE, but there are earlier dated tablet fragments dated at 1800 BCE. Compare this to the date of circa 500 BCE when Genesis was estimated to have been written and make your own mind up. My opinion is that the stories are related and may have been inspired by ancient local flooding of Mesopotamian plains that bordered the Euphrates and Tigris rivers.



                                           http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145/lecture-4


Awesome

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Stupidity is the inability to properly apply the intelligence you were born with.

Since you obviously are unable to apply the intelligence you were born with ..... I guess you would be considered stupid.

Peace


I let such comments roll off as water from a duck's back. You're not insulting me, but the Creator God I put my confidence and trust in.

There is a day of God's wrath quickly approaching, and most all people know this subconsciously, but they have repressed the reality of it. All we need do is look around and see how quickly folk seem headlong into an abyss.

But there is a means of escape from God's wrath, that He has provided through One who took upon himself the wrath that should have been ours. If we reject this free gift, how shall we escape?

We are well into the eleventh hour now, and our lives are so fragile. We never know what a day will bring. We are like wisps of smoke, here, and then gone.

Eternal life in unimaginable glory and splendor may be ours, if only we will accept that Free Gift

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I let such comments roll off as water from a duck's back. You're not insulting me, but the Creator God I put my confidence and trust in.

There is a day of God's wrath quickly approaching, and most all people know this subconsciously, but they have repressed the reality of it. All we need do is look around and see how quickly folk seem headlong into an abyss.

But there is a means of escape from God's wrath, that He has provided through One who took upon himself the wrath that should have been ours. If we reject this free gift, how shall we escape?

We are well into the eleventh hour now, and our lives are so fragile. We never know what a day will bring. We are like wisps of smoke, here, and then gone.

Eternal life in unimaginable glory and splendor may be ours, if only we will accept that Free Gift


Posts like this one show that you need to consult with a licensed mental health professional.

Peace

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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
I let such comments roll off as water from a duck's back. You're not insulting me, but the Creator God I put my confidence and trust in.

There is a day of God's wrath quickly approaching, and most all people know this subconsciously, but they have repressed the reality of it. All we need do is look around and see how quickly folk seem headlong into an abyss.

But there is a means of escape from God's wrath, that He has provided through One who took upon himself the wrath that should have been ours. If we reject this free gift, how shall we escape?

We are well into the eleventh hour now, and our lives are so fragile. We never know what a day will bring. We are like wisps of smoke, here, and then gone.

Eternal life in unimaginable glory and splendor may be ours, if only we will accept that Free Gift


Good post Walt.

Nevermind the mockers and scoffers. They will believe eventually. Hopefully before not after.

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Good post Walt.

Nevermind the mockers and scoffers. They will believe eventually. Hopefully before not after.



It's good to see both of you are agreeing.



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Quote from walt_oftheearth:

I let such comments roll off as water from a duck's back. You're not insulting me, but the Creator God I put my confidence and trust in.

There is a day of God's wrath quickly approaching, and most all people know this subconsciously, but they have repressed the reality of it. All we need do is look around and see how quickly folk seem headlong into an abyss.

But there is a means of escape from God's wrath, that He has provided through One who took upon himself the wrath that should have been ours. If we reject this free gift, how shall we escape?

We are well into the eleventh hour now, and our lives are so fragile. We never know what a day will bring. We are like wisps of smoke, here, and then gone.

Eternal life in unimaginable glory and splendor may be ours, if only we will accept that Free Gift

Quote from sail_dancer:
Posts like this one show that you need to consult with a licensed mental health professional.


This is your response word for word, almost always, without fail, when the sobering matter of our mortality is brought up.

Makes me wonder just how free you are to think and feel with liberty. And if you are not free, just who is holding your chains?

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walt_oftheearth
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Quote from blake6972:
Good post Walt.

Nevermind the mockers and scoffers. They will believe eventually. Hopefully before not after.


There's a stubborn few here who seem dead set on destruction.

It is written of God, "All those that hate Me, love death." (Proverbs 8:36)

To hate the only means out of this world alive is very much a study.

Some posters here show their character so plainly, it is not even worth responding to them.



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