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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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It does not take wisdom to reject fairy tales.
You have not yet presented a viable theory for your imaginary being, you claim exists.
Are you mentally challenged? What don't you understand about what I said?
Atheists play a fools game. They are their worse enemy. If God doesn't exist as they believe they stay in the grave. And if God does exist because they forsake belief in the spiritual reality of God they quite possibly still stay in the grave. In other words as I see it atheists have a death wish and I fail to see any wisdom in such a wish/belief. Perhaps you can explain it to me, Yasureoktoo?
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Yasureoktoo
Seattle, WA
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Sorry, the ball has been in your court for a while now, but you are sidestepping it.
You use the term God collectively, which is dead wrong.
So you have a specific God of all the thousands of others, and have yet to present a case for your God.
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Yasureoktoo
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Personally, I think Thor's hammer and belt, refers to an advanced tech.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Sorry, the ball has been in your court for a while now, but you are sidestepping it.
You use the term God collectively, which is dead wrong.
So you have a specific God of all the thousands of others, and have yet to present a case for your God.
No, the ball has been in your court and apparently you can't handle what I have asked.
Are you mentally challenged? What don't you understand about what I said?
Atheists play a fools game. They are their worse enemy. If God doesn't exist as they believe they stay in the grave. And if God does exist because they forsake belief in the spiritual reality of God they quite possibly still stay in the grave. In other words as I see it atheists have a death wish and I fail to see any wisdom in such a wish/belief. Perhaps you can explain it to me, Yasureoktoo?
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ludlowlowell
Panama City, FL
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Anybody ever heard of Pascal's wager?
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clarence2
South Yorkshire
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I'd have though it safer for people to openly carry crucifixes rather than guns, like they're gonna be doing soon in Texas. Maybe the crucifixes will come in handy for laying on all the corpses. 
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jrbogie1949
Red Bluff, CA
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No, I am not an agnostic. I am a believer and follower of the teachings of Jesus who taught the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man and that we should love God and love and serve one another. Who's Supreme Commandment to man was "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:48
And, yes, FAITH is the essential ingredient in the transferring of the seat of one's identity from the physical world to the spiritual world. Faith is the transmuting factor in a personal-relationship-realization with God that brings increasingly forth the knowing of the righteousness of God in the soul/personality of man. The kingdom of God is within. It is only through personality interaction with God that the personality of man grows increasingly to God-consciousness/likeness.
Believe in the Fatherhood of God and realize your sonship with God and pray for wisdom and guidance and you will have it, jrbogie.
i'm afraid my mind doesn't work that way, kb. i can't choose what i believe. in fact i believe nothing and question everything that i haven't experienced myself and even that i question on occasion. i suppose we'll have to leave faith and agnosticism as a matter of opinions as definitions go. i see not knowing something exists having faith that something exists as one and the same. as you yourself say, and as i too say, nobody can prove the existence or non existence of god. so although we use different terms in arriving there, we both conclude that the existence god cannot be proved either way.
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Yasureoktoo
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If God doesn't exist as they believe they stay in the grave. And if God does exist because they forsake belief in the spiritual reality of God they quite possibly still stay in the grave. In other words as I see it atheists have a death wish and I fail to see any wisdom in such a wish/belief. Perhaps you can explain it to me, Yasureoktoo?
Where did you ever get that insane information.
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jrbogie1949
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Anybody ever heard of Pascal's wager?
sure and voltaire pointed out it's absurdity long ago.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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i'm afraid my mind doesn't work that way, kb. i can't choose what i believe. in fact i believe nothing and question everything that i haven't experienced myself and even that i question on occasion. i suppose we'll have to leave faith and agnosticism as a matter of opinions as definitions go. i see not knowing something exists having faith that something exists as one and the same. as you yourself say, and as i too say, nobody can prove the existence or non existence of god. so although we use different terms in arriving there, we both conclude that the existence god cannot be proved either way.
Well, jrbogie, you haven't experienced space travel but you believe in it don't you?
May I suggest you place a "value" on what you choose to believe/disbelieve.
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kb2222
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Where did you ever get that insane information.
What insane information?
Stop babbling and answer what I have asked.
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jrbogie1949
Red Bluff, CA
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No, the ball has been in your court and apparently you can't handle what I have asked.
Are you mentally challenged? What don't you understand about what I said?
Atheists play a fools game. They are their worse enemy. If God doesn't exist as they believe they stay in the grave. And if God does exist because they forsake belief in the spiritual reality of God they quite possibly still stay in the grave. In other words as I see it atheists have a death wish and I fail to see any wisdom in such a wish/belief. Perhaps you can explain it to me, Yasureoktoo?
why do you single out atheists here? is it only atheists or does your religion not speak of anybody who does not except jesus as their savior and son of god not being admitted to heaven? it's this notion of believe as i do OR ELSE that most drives me away from christianity or any other religion that espouses the same.
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sail_dancer
Saint Petersburg, FL
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sure and voltaire pointed out it's absurdity long ago.
Peace
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kb2222
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why do you single out atheists here? is it only atheists or does your religion not speak of anybody who does not except jesus as their savior and son of god not being admitted to heaven? it's this notion of believe as i do OR ELSE that most drives me away from christianity or any other religion that espouses the same.
I didn't mean to exclude agnostics so feel free to respond and explain the wisdom you see in disbelieving in God? And please note that I made no mention of Jesus in what I said and asked.
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jrbogie1949
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Well, jrbogie, you haven't experienced space travel but you believe in it don't you?
once again, i believe nothing. all i know on the subject of space travel is that i've read, and seen accounts of others traveling in space.
May I suggest you place a "value" on what you choose to believe/disbelieve.
i suppose you can suggest anything but i don't see the sense in suggesting placing a value on something i've already said that i cannot accomplish; ie, choosing what i do and do not believe.
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jrbogie1949
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I didn't mean to exclude agnostics so feel free to respond and explain the wisdom you see in disbelieving in God? And please note that I made no mention of Jesus in what I said and asked.
i'm suppose you didn't mean to exclude muslims, jews and pele worshipers either. no you didn't mention jesus but christianity is your faith is it not? as such, does your faith not adhere to the notion that the only way to heaven is through jesus? you can nit pick wording all day but that won't further the discussion, will it?
i'll take half the responsibility for any communication problem you and i are having so please help me make you understand that my mind doesn't work in a manner that allows me to choose what i believe or don't believe. and if i cannot choose to believe in god where is the wisdom in choosing to believe in god? by all means if you wish, do indeed call yourself wise and me unwise but don't ask me to explain what you see as wisdom.
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Yasureoktoo
Seattle, WA
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What insane information?
Stop babbling and answer what I have asked.
Yeah right
You have slithered around every question put to you.
You have still not provided a case for your god.
There is nothing to answer until you do.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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once again, i believe nothing. all i know on the subject of space travel is that i've read, and seen accounts of others traveling in space.
Why would you not believe the documented accounts of man simply because you haven't experienced it yourself? You have never been to the North Pole but you believe it exists or don't you?
i suppose you can suggest anything but i don't see the sense in suggesting placing a value on something i've already said that i cannot accomplish; ie, choosing what i do and do not believe.
Don't delude yourself. You have freewill the same as everyone does and you can choose to believe or disbelieve whatever you like and you can choose to place a value on your decisions.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Yeah right
You have slithered around every question put to you.
You have still not provided a case for your god.
There is nothing to answer until you do.
I have asked you to explain your wisdom in not believing in a God who promises life after death to those who seek Him so stop your evasive accusatory babbling and explain.
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Yasureoktoo
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I have asked you to explain your wisdom in not believing in a God who promises life after death to those who seek Him so stop your evasive accusatory babbling and explain.
Sorry, inventing a deity, and then asking me why I don't believe your invention, is a baseless answer.
First you need to validate your deity.
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| 12/30/2015 12:38:00 PM |
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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i'm suppose you didn't mean to exclude muslims, jews and pele worshipers either.
That's right.
no you didn't mention jesus but christianity is your faith is it not? as such, does your faith not adhere to the notion that the only way to heaven is through jesus? you can nit pick wording all day but that won't further the discussion, will it?
What wording am I nit-picking?
As I said Jesus taught the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man and this is what I believe. Jesus didn't challenge his followers so much to believe in Him but rather to believe as He believed. Believe in the Fatherhood of God and the associate truth of the sonship of man and be about the business of knowing and abiding in God's will. If you find this distasteful or beyond your ability that's your self imposed choice and as I see it...it certainly is not a wise one.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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Sorry, inventing a deity, and then asking me why I don't believe your invention, is a baseless answer.
First you need to validate your deity.
Stop being so obstinate. I have asked you to explain your wisdom in not believing in God? If you can't come up with a truthful and sincere response that's obviously your shortcoming.
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| 12/30/2015 12:43:22 PM |
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Yasureoktoo
Seattle, WA
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I have answered that countless times.
There are over 3000 Gods, and they are all different.
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kb2222
Jacksonville, FL
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I have answered that countless times.
No you haven't. You are just LYING to evade giving a sincere response.
There are over 3000 Gods, and they are all different.
Stop being obstinate. I have responded to you that I am speaking of the Judeo/Christian belief in ONE GOD. ONE FIRST CAUSE, ONE ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE FIRST SOURCE AND CENTER OF ALL THINGS AND BEINGS IN WHICH WE LIVE, MOVE AND HAVE OUR BEING.
Now tell me why you think it is "wise" not to believe in such a God?
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jrbogie1949
Red Bluff, CA
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What wording am I nit-picking?
As I said Jesus taught the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man and this is what I believe. Jesus didn't challenge his followers so much to believe in Him but rather to believe as He believed. Believe in the Fatherhood of God and the associate truth of the sonship of man and be about the business of knowing and abiding in God's will. If you find this distasteful or beyond your ability that's your self imposed choice and as I see it...it certainly is not a wise one.
yes, jesus said believe is i believe and christianity goes on to imply that the only way to heaven is through jesus. we need not argue over wording. we both understand what the bible says. i simply pointed out that rhetoric such as this believe as i believe or pay in the afterlife drives me further and further away from christianity. you'll never understand my reasoning by applying your reasoning.
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kb2222
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Are you going to respond to my post 12/30/2015 1:18:17 PM?
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| 12/30/2015 2:29:58 PM |
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jrbogie1949
Red Bluff, CA
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Why would you not believe the documented accounts of man simply because you haven't experienced it yourself? You have never been to the North Pole but you believe it exists or don't you?
how do i say this so you'll understand? I BELIEVE NOTHING. QUESTION EVERYTHING especially documented accounts of man. i've been to the north pole actually having flown the polar routes between asia and europe a number of times and that experience can go in the box i was speaking of earlier about questioning even some of the things i experience. the pole wasn't marked you see so i simply relied on my navigation skills and prowess in my use of the on board flight management computers. i didn't BELIEVE i was over the north pole i simply calculated that i was. in the future, anytime you suggest that i believe something exists, north pole, space travel, etc., you'll start your argument with a false premise and you can expect a similar reply each time so why not save us both the effort?
Don't delude yourself. You have freewill the same as everyone does and you can choose to believe or disbelieve whatever you like and you can choose to place a value on your decisions.
somebody is going to have to explain to me what free will is i suppose because i don't think i agree on that topic with anybody who has ever posted on these forums. but again you've touched on a moot point. a delusion is a firm belief in a concept even when there is evidence of an alternative concept. since i believe nothing i can delude myself of nothing.
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duchessa
Yonkers, NY
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ha. i guess me and kb can rest peacefully knowing that you won't be wasting time on us anymore in which case i'll wish you a happy new year early.
I don't have any problem exchanging opinions with you but kb2222, who define as ridiculous any opinion that doesn't match his is a different case.
Yes, I could have kept him blocked...which I did for over two years on account of his comments in other threads but I didn't.
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duchessa
Yonkers, NY
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kb2222
""So, go ahead and explain your "wisdom" in rejecting belief in God, duchessa.""
Dear, is very simple...if one day the god you so much say exists shows up in front of me I will say "Yes, kb2222 was right." Until then, dear, whatever you say is bullshit.
""Well, I think your humble opinion is flawed for you obviously have a comprehension problem.""
The problem here is all yours... but, then, your brain has been so flattened by religion that you will never comprehend how bad you are.
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sail_dancer
Saint Petersburg, FL
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I am so glad kb has me blocked ..... his nonsense posts would drive me nuts.
Peace
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Yasureoktoo
Seattle, WA
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Stop being obstinate. I have responded to you that I am speaking of the Judeo/Christian belief in ONE GOD. ONE FIRST CAUSE, ONE ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE FIRST SOURCE AND CENTER OF ALL THINGS AND BEINGS IN WHICH WE LIVE, MOVE AND HAVE OUR BEING.
Now tell me why you think it is "wise" not to believe in such a God?
OK
Now that we have your favorite God nailed down.
You need to present a case for your god, before you can even ask someone anything about.
From what I have read about this particular god, he is a pretty nasty character. it.
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Yasureoktoo
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I am so glad kb has me blocked ..... his nonsense posts would drive me nuts.
Peace
They are nonsense, he just talks in circles, refuses to answer anything, posts nonsense questions.
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sail_dancer
Saint Petersburg, FL
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From what I have read about this particular god, he is a pretty nasty character.
Yes! ..... He/she/it does come off as pretty nasty.
Peace
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duchessa
Yonkers, NY
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I am so glad kb has me blocked ..... his nonsense posts would drive me nuts.
Peace
And I just blocked him for the same reason...and more. He is a fanatical aggressiveness pops out of the screen.
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duchessa
Yonkers, NY
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First you need to validate your deity.
Don't waste your time; he doesn't comprehend that in order to validate the promise first the """promiser""" must be "certified as real".
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jester0011
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They are nonsense, he just talks in circles, refuses to answer anything, posts nonsense questions.
i answer all questions
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duchessa
Yonkers, NY
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i answer all
questions
No, you don't ...but at least you are not a Kooko...well, no too much... .
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duchessa
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I am waiting for yam to comment on this thread.
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Yasureoktoo
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i answer all questions
What grade did you drop out at.
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jester0011
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well ill challenge any serious debate on subject of evolution
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jester0011
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but when u start getting ypur tail tor up if u start being an a** ill do the same and im the best at both
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duchessa
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well ill challenge any serious debate on subject of evolution
I only wish you could comment on that subject...I wish.
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Yasureoktoo
Seattle, WA
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People dunn came from magic, and dat's dat.
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jester0011
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I only wish you could comment on that subject...I wish.
question.if u had to start all over again with teaching and they told u u could only teach about god and creastion to kids not evolution what would u do?
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duchessa
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question.if u had to start all over again with teaching and they told u u could only teach about god and creastion to kids not evolution what would u do?
One small detail...I never taught Science...only Spanish Lit.
A good pedagogue finds the way to teach anything he/she wants.
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jester0011
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well what if they did
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duchessa
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well what if
they did
They don't
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jester0011
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i bet u would tell me u wouldnt want to do it but yet u would have no problem teaching evolution
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duchessa
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i bet u would tell me u wouldnt want to do it but yet u would have no problem teaching evolution
Darling, 1) I am known for saying whatever I want and 2) I would teach both evolution and creation...which is the only way to show how stupid creation is.
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aphrodisianus
Leander, TX
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...
I have responded to you that I am speaking of the Judeo/Christian belief in ONE GOD.
Same credibility as any other god. None.
ONE FIRST CAUSE, ONE ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH,
Superstitious garbage.
THE FIRST SOURCE AND CENTER OF ALL THINGS AND BEINGS IN WHICH WE LIVE, MOVE AND HAVE OUR BEING.
More superstitious garbage.
Now tell me why you think it is "wise" not to believe in such a God?
I believe there are over 4500 gods that man created in myths. I could be wrong. There are probably are thousands more that were never recorded. In Hindism there are 330 million gods which is interesting since it's a monotheistic religion. Certainly out does the 3 in 1 god for Christians. Gods everywhere.
Thales of Miletus said all things are full of gods. And how interesting is that when religious loons are so full of shit.
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jester0011
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Darling, 1) I am known for saying whatever I want and 2) I would teach both evolution and creation...which is the only way to show how stupid creation is.
really how interesting.so how would a over paid teacher like to debate me
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jester0011
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if so put up a debate thread on here,me against u
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jrbogie1949
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Are you going to respond to my post 12/30/2015 1:18:17 PM?
sure. let me find it.
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jrbogie1949
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nope. couldn't find it. repost if you wish.
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jrbogie1949
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I don't have any problem exchanging opinions with you but kb2222, who define as ridiculous any opinion that doesn't match his is a different case.
Yes, I could have kept him blocked...which I did for over two years on account of his comments in other threads but I didn't.
blocking sucks. cowardice. just means the blocker has nothing cogent to add to the discussion. there's this technique known as ignore if you don't care to hear what a person has to say.
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jrbogie1949
Red Bluff, CA
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I am so glad kb has me blocked ..... his nonsense posts would drive me nuts.
Peace
you allow what people post drive you nuts?
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jester0011
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they are
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duchessa
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really how interesting.so how would a over paid teacher like to debate me
No teacher is overpaid. And is not a mtter of "liking to debate you" but of good manners: Answering a question.
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duchessa
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blocking sucks. cowardice. just means the blocker has nothing cogent to add to the discussion. there's this technique known as ignore if you don't care to hear what a person has to say.
No, it doesn't suck when the blocked person "reached such status" at the request of the other posters.
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jester0011
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i see no debate thread dutchess
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