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5/9/2016 9:12:03 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  
rcrmike
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Why do we have laws and legislation if we aren't held accountable to obey or respect them? There's too many to discuss, so, lets just begin with our US Constitution. Is it the Law of the Land or not? What do we do when it is violated? Apparently nothing.

Within the limited scope of this example, America is only as lawful, ethical, and trustworthy as the rules we choose to respect. Notice the word choose. We choose to honor and obey as well as question if and when laws are violated. Read the article below and give some opinions on how we might systematically correct our wrongs after-the-fact. We already violated them. How do we remedy our mistakes to return on coarse. We can place blame in several areas, but we are better than that. How might we correct the issue instead of prosecuting the numerous traitors involved. The courts can address the people involved. Our discussion is NOT about the individuals but how to correct what they have done. We need to prevent America from repeating the offence.
Mike

CRUZ, RUBIO: YES, IT WAS GOD'S WILL

By: Devvy
May 9, 2016
NewsWithViews.com

On March 15, 2016, drop out presidential candidate, Marco Rubio, said, "While it is not God's plan that I be president in 2016 or maybe ever..."

Glen Beck went further in adoration of Ted Cruz: " He often couched his enthusiasm with a religious zeal for Cruz, who he declared to be “the next George Washington.” Cruz, according to Beck, was “anointed” by God and “raised for these times.”

According to Glen Beck, Almighty God anointed Ted Cruz to be president. Rubio on the other hand said it just wasn't in God's plan he win this election for president - or maybe ever.

So, exactly what did God have in mind for those two? Well, I certainly can't speak for God, but I can give you my opinion.

God knows what's in your heart. In the case of Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, God knows they're liars. He knows they put their personal ambitions above truth and honesty.

All three of those former presidential candidates were taking tremendous heat early on regarding their eligibility under the U.S. Constitution. It continued for months and in the case of Cruz, lawsuits were filed to keep him off the ballot. Jindal and Rubio are U.S. citizens, but not natural born citizens despite the intellectually lazy in the media who could care less about the U.S. Constitution. Cruz's US citizenship still remains unproven.

Jindal was born in June 1971. His mother became a U.S. citizen in 1976 and his father in 1986. Hardly 'natural BORN'. Rubio was born in 1971. His parents became U.S. citizens in 1975. Hardly natural BORN'.

Cruz was born in Canada in 1970. Most who have done zero research believe he held dual citizenship since his mother was born in the U.S. However, Canada did not recognize dual citizenship until 1977, so Cruz was a full blown Canadian citizen until he renounced in 2014 and became a citizen of no country.

I say no country because Cruz refuses to provide a court certified copy of a CRBA (Consulate Report of Birth Abroad) filed by his parents when he was born. He refuses to provide a copy of his passport or any other documentation proving US. citizenship. If a CRBA wasn't properly submitted when Cruz was born, then how does he even claim U.S. citizenship?

Cruz is up for reelection to the Senate in 2018. I can tell you right now he will not slip through the cracks again here in Texas. Cruz was a full Canadian citizen in 2012 when he ran for the Senate. No one, including yours truly questioned his eligibility because honestly, I didn't know. But, it will be different in 2018.

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5/9/2016 9:17:15 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  
rcrmike
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Continued.
Nikki Haley is governor of South Carolina. Her history according to Wikipedia: "Haley was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa[1][2] in Bamberg, South Carolina, on January 20, 1972, to an Indian Sikh family.[14] She was "always called Nikki, which means "little one," by her family."[15] Her parents, Ajit Singh Randhawa and Raj Kaur Randhawa, are immigrants from Amritsar District, Punjab, India, where Ajit had been a professor at Punjab Agricultural University. Haley's parents immigrated to Canada after her father received a scholarship offer from the University of British Columbia. After earning his PhD in 1969, Ajit moved his young family to South Carolina to accept a position as a professor at Voorhees College.[16]"

Haley's parents left India for Canada. Her parents then moved to SC in 1969. Haley was born in 1972. It takes at least 5 years to become a U.S. citizen. In order for Haley to be a natural born citizen, both her parents had to be U.S. citizens at the time of her birth. According to the public narrative on her bio, Haley was born three years after her parents moved to SC. Who knows when her parents applied to become U.S. citizens and what date were they naturalized?

I bring this up because, God forbid, there's talk of Nikki Haley being a VP to Donald Trump. The vice-president is one heart beat away from the Oval Office and must be a natural born citizen because a VP is a president-in-waiting should something happen to the president.

I'm not certain Jindal knew prior to running he was ineligible, but he most certainly got a good education about natural born from people all over the country including his own state. Jindal didn't give a damn and plodded along until even he could see no one was interested in what he had to say.

As for Cruz and Rubio, there's no question in my mind both of them know they are ineligible. While hands down Cruz is far more intelligent than Rubio, neither are dummies. But, instead of standing up for the very document they took an oath to preserve and protect, the U.S. Constitution, both of them tried to lie and bluff their way into the White House. Cruz in particular was ugly arrogant just like the criminal impostor in the White House.

The Republican Party protected all three of them. They had to because if they didn't and the Pandora's box got blown open, the truth about Barry Soetoro/Obama usurping the office of president by fraud would then be out there for the whole world to see. An impostor acting as Commander-in-Chief signing one unconstitutional bill another another into 'law'. Oh, no. The GOP could not let that happen so they allowed Jindal, Rubio & Cruz to illegally appear on ballots in every state of the Union.

One can spend endless hours trying to figure out why Cruz couldn't over take Donald Trump. Turn on the boob tube and you can hear it all from Karl Rove and others. The same can be said for why Marco Rubio couldn't win enough primaries to stay in the race. All the drama that goes with a presdiential campaign.

But, God knows Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio inside and out. He knows they don't care about the truth. He knows Cruz and Rubio are power hungry and would say and do anything to get into the White House. In the end, if God had anointed Ted Cruz as claimed by Glen Beck, Cruz would be the GOP presidential nominee; not even Donald Trump would have prevailed. Rubio at least got it right when he said it wasn't God's plan for him.

We must never fail to challenge any candidate's eligibly to run as president under Art. II, Sec. I of the U.S. Constitution. The 'natural born citizen' clause was grandfathered in for a serious reason. Individuals with immigrant parents need to find out ahead of time if they are eligible and if not, accept it and move along.

Ah, I know what you're thinking....what about Barry Soetoro aka Obama? God knows he's a pathological liar who also knew he was ineligible so how did he get elected - twice? For that I have no answer except to say we don't always know God's plan. As the saying goes, the Lord works in strange ways. Was allowing Soetoro to usurp the office of president twice to send a clear message to America? Perhaps to test the people to see if the Constitution even mattered anymore.

Soetoro/Obama is a dirty traitor to this country, no question. He is a Marxist right down to his shiny shoes. His illigitimate time in office has done massive damage to our Republic and should ANY Democrat get in the White House in January, we will go over the cliff.

Perhaps allowing Soetoro/Obama into the White House was meant to wake up the people of this country and see what the 'fundamental transformation of America' Soetoro/Obama bragged about was really all about. As Nancy Pelosi so famously said about the unconstitutional Obamacare, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." They did and America has suffered ever since.

Allowing that impostor to camp out in the White House really drove home to Americans the truth about the media in this county (excluding independent 'new media' ) whether print (newspapers), the Internet or boob tube including cable networks like FOX. They're ALL in the game for their own agendas. FOX's 'fair and balanced' is a load of bull manure. Just like the rest of the 'mainstream' media they pick and choose what they want you to know and slap down anyone who dares to tell the truth.

One other thing. A strong challenger has emerged to kick scum bag, Paul Ryan out of Congress. I pray it will be a re-play of former U.S. House Majority 'Leader' Eric Cantor's stunning defeat in 2014.

Paul Ryan Challenger Paul Nehlen: ‘He Has Betrayed Us All’

"House Speaker Paul Ryan’s Wisconsin primary opponent Paul Nehlen said of Ryan on Saturday, “He has betrayed us all, hasn’t he? He says he’s for a secure border. Then what’s he do? He funds every dangerous immigration policy through this $1.8 trillion omnibus. What he funded was all his special interest buddies.”

5/9/2016 11:32:28 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

shawnee_b
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Welcome back Mike

Yes very bad state of affairs. No one held responsible.

5/9/2016 12:37:36 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

sureshot40
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Why do we have legislation? To keep the big government finger on all the people who aren't legislators. My friend says they pass the laws for everyone but them.

5/10/2016 8:32:37 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

clarity101
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howdy mike!


thanks for the info on niki haley!

5/10/2016 2:06:15 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  
rcrmike
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The Niki Haley info was new to me. Does anyone have the names of all the mooselem infiltrators in the administration, Congress, and military. I understand it is huge!

Not that we should be any different. Notice that London just elected a mooselem mayor. What are these people thinking?

To keep on topic, we need to understand WHO we vote for so we have some control over what laws and legislation we enforce as well as what we don't legislate. The trend seems to be, whatever we can do to destroy our country and culture, that is the choice we will make. That's not you and I, it's our so-called Representatives. What is going on?

5/10/2016 2:50:11 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

clarity101
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there is the lady who is the cofounder of black lives matter...cant think of her name.
ill post it when i find the article.


then there is this....
where it all began................



5/10/2016 4:13:33 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

shawnee_b
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Quote from rcrmike:
The Niki Haley info was new to me. Does anyone have the names of all the mooselem infiltrators in the administration, Congress, and military. I understand it is huge!



It's posted somewhere below in the threads, I couldn't find but here's some.


* Abedin, Huma: Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
* Abunimah, Ali: Vice president of the Arab American Action Network
* Al-Hibri, Azizah: U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom
* Al-Mansour, Khalid Abdullah Tariq: Patron of Obama during 1980s
* Al-Marayati, Salam: Representative of the U.S. government at the annual Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe conference
* Alikhan, Areef: Department of Homeland Security
* Arab American Action Network: Received money from Woods Fund when Obama was board member of Woods Fund
* Barack H. Obama Foundation: Headed by President Obama's half-brother, who oversees the Muslim Brotherhood's international investments
* Asbahi, Mazen: National Coordinator for Muslim American Affairs (during 2008 presidential campaign)
* Elibiary, Mohamed: Homeland Security Advisory Council
* Husaini, Minha: National Coordinator for Muslim American Affairs (during 2008 presidential campaign)
* Hussain, Rashad: Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference
* Khalidi, Rashid: Professor of Middle East Studies at Columbia University
* Magid, Mohamed: Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Countering Violent Extremism Working Group
* Mattson, Ingrid: Invited by Obama advisor to work on the White House Council on Women and Girls
* Mogahed, Dalia: Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships
* Obama, Abon'go Malik: the older half-brother of Barack Obama
* Patel, Eboo: Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships
* Said, Edward: Professor and Arab activist who was keynote speaker at 1998 fundraiser attended by Obama
* Shora, Kareem: Homeland Security Advisory Council
* Shora, Nawar: Senior Advisor to the Civil Rights and Liberties Office of the Transportation Security Administration

5/15/2016 6:16:57 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

hodag
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Quote from shawnee_b:
It's posted somewhere below in the threads, I couldn't find but here's some.


* Abedin, Huma: Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
* Abunimah, Ali: Vice president of the Arab American Action Network
* Al-Hibri, Azizah: U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom
* Al-Mansour, Khalid Abdullah Tariq: Patron of Obama during 1980s
* Al-Marayati, Salam: Representative of the U.S. government at the annual Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe conference
* Alikhan, Areef: Department of Homeland Security
* Arab American Action Network: Received money from Woods Fund when Obama was board member of Woods Fund
* Barack H. Obama Foundation: Headed by President Obama's half-brother, who oversees the Muslim Brotherhood's international investments
* Asbahi, Mazen: National Coordinator for Muslim American Affairs (during 2008 presidential campaign)
* Elibiary, Mohamed: Homeland Security Advisory Council
* Husaini, Minha: National Coordinator for Muslim American Affairs (during 2008 presidential campaign)
* Hussain, Rashad: Special Envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference
* Khalidi, Rashid: Professor of Middle East Studies at Columbia University
* Magid, Mohamed: Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Countering Violent Extremism Working Group
* Mattson, Ingrid: Invited by Obama advisor to work on the White House Council on Women and Girls
* Mogahed, Dalia: Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships
* Obama, Abon'go Malik: the older half-brother of Barack Obama
* Patel, Eboo: Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships
* Said, Edward: Professor and Arab activist who was keynote speaker at 1998 fundraiser attended by Obama
* Shora, Kareem: Homeland Security Advisory Council
* Shora, Nawar: Senior Advisor to the Civil Rights and Liberties Office of the Transportation Security Administration



But, according to the B*tch of Benghazi, the NRA is the enemy, and Americans shouldn't own guns.

Sure Hillary. Great f**king idea. Come and take them.

5/15/2016 10:20:16 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  
rcrmike
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All this nonsense needs to stop. In my opinion, we can fight this forever on the local front or cut to the chase and nail this sucker once and for all. We need the people to go after the individuals at the top. The Congressional lawbreakers, the unconstitutional judges, and the sheriffs and police who don't honor and defend the Constitutional law. We need to put a few behind bars. Only after a few examples get public exposure of incarceration will the rest fall in line. Somebody needs to be the example to get things started.

Funny how businesses and individuals can be sued for just about anything under the sun, but not judges and legislators. Time we changed that. The federal side of government is only "authorized" to address about 17 subjects. Anything not specifically under their domain defaults to the states and people. We need to stop the fed from abusing the states and people. Next we need to reign in the states. They're just going where they don't belong. However, many of our state abuses are because the federal side is forcing the states to follow a federal agenda and the states are too wussified to say no.

There are more of us than them. Time we took them to task, and lock a few up. I say we start at the top and first get rid of the judges that are protecting unconstitutional government, and not the people who created it. Today's judges are the forcefield protecting government from us. They gotta go!

5/15/2016 11:54:48 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

shawnee_b
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Quote from hodag:
But, according to the B*tch of Benghazi, the NRA is the enemy, and Americans shouldn't own guns.

Sure Hillary. Great f**king idea. Come and take them.


Yep. Awesome 29 second video on Hillary and Bernie about gun control.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnPrxbYARJg

5/15/2016 11:55:45 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

shawnee_b
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Quote from rcrmike:
All this nonsense needs to stop. In my opinion, we can fight this forever on the local front or cut to the chase and nail this sucker once and for all. We need the people to go after the individuals at the top. The Congressional lawbreakers, the unconstitutional judges, and the sheriffs and police who don't honor and defend the Constitutional law. We need to put a few behind bars. Only after a few examples get public exposure of incarceration will the rest fall in line. Somebody needs to be the example to get things started.

Funny how businesses and individuals can be sued for just about anything under the sun, but not judges and legislators. Time we changed that. The federal side of government is only "authorized" to address about 17 subjects. Anything not specifically under their domain defaults to the states and people. We need to stop the fed from abusing the states and people. Next we need to reign in the states. They're just going where they don't belong. However, many of our state abuses are because the federal side is forcing the states to follow a federal agenda and the states are too wussified to say no.

There are more of us than them. Time we took them to task, and lock a few up. I say we start at the top and first get rid of the judges that are protecting unconstitutional government, and not the people who created it. Today's judges are the forcefield protecting government from us. They gotta go!


I'm for it

5/15/2016 12:09:33 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

hodag
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There is one, and only one way to restore our rights and freedoms short of an outright armed revolution. It is Article V (5) of the United States Constitution. The Convention of the States.

Mark Levin has discussed this at length. Our Founders included it in the Constitution expressly for times like this; when the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government have become so corrupt, they no longer represent the people. The States, collectively, have more power than the Federal Government.

Some people who consider themselves Conservative oppose this. Those people are either (1) Not Conservatives. (2) Don't have the intellectual energy to study and understand the issue. Or, (3) Don't have the intellectual capacity to understand this provision, or how it works.

Some people believe this will destroy our existing rights. They are wrong. Those people apparently are confusing a Constitutional Convention with a Convention of the States.

In Mark Levin's book THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS, he describes Article V. He then goes on to suggest some amendments that would restore our rights, and prevent future erosion of them.

Among them;

An Amendment to Establish Term Limits for Members of Congress.

An Amendment to Restore the Senate.

An Amendment to Establish Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices and Super-Majority Override.

An Amendment to Limit Federal Spending and Taxing.

An Amendment to Limit the Federal Bureaucracy.

An Amendment to Promote Free Enterprise.

An Amendment to Protect Private Property.

An Amendment to Grant the States Authority to Directly Amend the Constitution.

An Amendment to Grant the States Authority to Check Congress.

An Amendment to Protect the Vote.


Before anyone jumps up on their soap box to criticize any of the above, please do yourself a favor. Obtain a copy of THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS and actually take the time to read and understand it. Doing so will either (1) prevent you from looking like an idiot, (2) proving you actually ARE an idiot, or (3)you are not really a conservative, (demonstrating point number two.)



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5/15/2016 1:00:09 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

shawnee_b
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I forget how many states calling for the convention. Like over 20 but some years back, some now. They all need to do it, now.

5/15/2016 1:39:49 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

hodag
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Quote from shawnee_b:
I forget how many states calling for the convention. Like over 20 but some years back, some now. They all need to do it, now.


You're right, Shawn. It's either that, or "Pass the Ammo" will become the phrase of the day. As fond as I am of precision shooting, I would still prefer to reclaim America through peaceful means, and save my V-Max loads for prairie dogs.

5/15/2016 1:49:02 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

shawnee_b
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Quote from hodag:
You're right, Shawn. It's either that, or "Pass the Ammo" will become the phrase of the day. As fond as I am of precision shooting, I would still prefer to reclaim America through peaceful means, and save my V-Max loads for prairie dogs.


I agree. Avoid the blood if possible. They have to do the convention to save America.

Chance of it? I dunno. People going to write their reps who have been in office forever. The amendments will cut off their game, shoot their own foot.

5/15/2016 2:00:43 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

hodag
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Shawn, Tileman, Racer Mike, I think Wild Bill is calling you. I guaran-damn-tee you he's calling me!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pjxysg9_FE&feature=em-subs_digest

5/15/2016 2:17:36 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

hodag
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-border-militia-video-20140707-story.html

5/15/2016 2:55:42 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

shawnee_b
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Quote from hodag:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-border-militia-video-20140707-story.html



Guess there some militia from Ala or GA too at the border, same scenario. They are sick of the heroin and drugs the cartels bring in their cities.

5/15/2016 3:36:53 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  
rcrmike
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Quote from hodag:
There is one, and only one way to restore our rights and freedoms short of an outright armed revolution. It is Article V (5) of the United States Constitution. The Convention of the States.

Mark Levin has discussed this at length. Our Founders included it in the Constitution expressly for times like this; when the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government have become so corrupt, they no longer represent the people. The States, collectively, have more power than the Federal Government.

Some people who consider themselves Conservative oppose this. Those people are either (1) Not Conservatives. (2) Don't have the intellectual energy to study and understand the issue. Or, (3) Don't have the intellectual capacity to understand this provision, or how it works.

Some people believe this will destroy our existing rights. They are wrong. Those people apparently are confusing a Constitutional Convention with a Convention of the States.

In Mark Levin's book THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS, he describes Article V. He then goes on to suggest some amendments that would restore our rights, and prevent future erosion of them.

Among them;

An Amendment to Establish Term Limits for Members of Congress.

An Amendment to Restore the Senate.

An Amendment to Establish Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices and Super-Majority Override.

An Amendment to Limit Federal Spending and Taxing.
Ii
An Amendment to Limit the Federal Bureaucracy.

An Amendment to Promote Free Enterprise.

An Amendment to Protect Private Property.

An Amendment to Grant the States Authority to Directly Amend the Constitution.

An Amendment to Grant the States Authority to Check Congress.

An Amendment to Protect the Vote.


Before anyone jumps up on their soap box to criticize any of the above, please do yourself a favor. Obtain a copy of THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS and actually take the time to read and understand it. Doing so will either (1) prevent you from looking like an idiot, (2) proving you actually ARE an idiot, or (3)you are not really a conservative, (demonstrating point number two.)



MOLON LABE



Hodag


Bill, some of these ideas are already covered in the US Constitution. So maybe before jumping to the next remedy of Convention of States, we should get back to the Constitution, because it is OUR RIGHT to do so. If we can't enforce what we already have, heaping more on top is like smearing lipstick on a pig. Secondarily, because I am so distrusting of those running the system today, I am leery of some Liberal international lowlife co-opting the Convention of States for some other awful purpose that you and I could never imagine.

Right after we get back to Constitutional Order, yes we should follow up with a Convention of States and these issues that definitely are a good idea. Then we might have a more sane prospect of handling those new issues with less likelihood of the crooked establishment mucking it up and foil our attempts.

Yup, term limits and balanced budget are needed. But first we need to close all those myriad of federal agencies and departments NOT authorized by the Constitution. Any states that think we need them can certainly introduce them on the state level and pay for them. Also, absolutely NO taxes should be paid from individuals and businesses to the federal government. Look up apportioned taxes. All taxes should be collected by the states. If and when the federal government behaves Constitutionally, the states can forward a pittance to fund the federal government. After doing this, the fed cannot hold the states hostage by withholding funds until they give in to an agenda. However, the states can hold the fed hostage if they don't do their job. Isn't that what any employer does? The states hold the pursestrings because "he who has the money makes the rules!"

Lets look a little closer. Who pays for the salaries of Senators, State Representatives, and a few departments the Constitution allows? If the people of the States elected the idiots, they should pay for and control the federal salaries. And no, no one can vote for their own salary increases. What other business does that? The people need to vote for increases on a ballot because THEY are paying for it. If your Senator doesn't like the pay, he can start looking for a new career. Are we getting a little closer to balancing the budget? It's NOT about WHAT we will fund, but what we will NOT FUND! Almost everything.

Hey, we just solved another problem. We don't have use for an IRS now. The States are collecting all the taxes, like they already do. We just cut out the middleman and forward the required federal portion FROM each State TO the federal account. How easy was that?

5/15/2016 4:24:48 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

hodag
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Can't really disagree with anything you say, Mike. You always make a lot of sense. Right now, the majority of states have Republican governors. Republicans control the House and Senate. Problem is, way too many Republicans are indistinguishable from left-wing Democrat zealots. Orin Hatch, John McCain, Lindsay Graham, Lamar Alexander,.......and so many more, are worthless, gutless traitors to the Constitution.

Deep down inside, I really am a peace loving man. I would much rather make love than war. I offer the suggestion of the Convention of the States as a last ditch effort to peacefully but forcibly restore America to her former greatness. But I fear that might be too late. That leaves only one option. I couldn't care less about the many tyrants that will die, but I mourn for the many good, fearless Patriots that will inevitably make the supreme sacrifice because we, as a nation, waited too long to fix the problem.


God Help America


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5/15/2016 8:48:59 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  
rcrmike
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Yeah, but I think we have to make a distinction. I agree with what you are saying except for the vague vocabulary. Today's governors, house, and senate is NOT a Republican majority. Instead they have a RINO majority. Has been for way too long. The last few elections witnessed the so-called Republicans making promises to the TEA Party and other Conservative groups. Then after elected, they defected to legislate "Democrat Lite".

So what should we call them to be accurate in our description? Are they RINOs or Democrat Lite?

Since it's election season, I think we could use a third party. But they gotta use the correct description so the stupid people can tell them apart. We are dumbing everything else down, why not for the voters too?

Communist - Hillary the criminal
Socialist - Bernie
Democrat
Democrat Lite
Liberal
RINO
Independent
Republican
Conservative
Constitutional
Libertarian - there are several of them, but they're not being talked about by the media. Why not?

Not sure if I placed the Libertarians in the correct pecking order.

Where do we place Trump within these parties.

So what is a Democracy? Two wolves and a lamb voting whats for dinner. Majority rules.

What is a Republic?

What is Conservative? What is being conserved?

What is Libertarian? Liberty for who?

What is Constitutional? Oh yeah, we got that one preserved on parchment. Anyone read it lately? I think it renders all the others unlawful no matter how you dice em.

With this many descriptions we don't need the term moderate. We have a place for all persuasions.

Now, look at the list closely. If our federal and state governments are constrained or shackled by the US Constitution, do any of those parties make much sense? I'm guessing only the Constitution Party is proper by law. All the rest are watering down the Constitution to be something different than what our founders intended and set in place.If we honored the Constitution 100%, everyone would know exactly how our founders expected us to vote on all legislation. It's in the rulebook, so there's no need for most of us to campaign. You know how I would vote. And I would be very careful I did it properly, cause too many of our Citizens have guns, and would enforce legislation to the tee.

The only thing left to legislate is what percentage we choose to tax and what method we are going to use to defend ourselves from invasion.

Didn't read anything in the Constitution about which restroom and showers citizens are expected to use.
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5/16/2016 1:28:34 AM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

hodag
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Guess there some militia from Ala or GA too at the border, same scenario. They are sick of the heroin and drugs the cartels bring in their cities.


I recently heard from a trusted source that Quebec now has a very large minority of Mooslems. These towel-headed a**holes are running around dictating to the gutless French-Canadian government how things will be. Of course, not wanting to "offend" the filthy camel humpers, the Quebec government is bending over forward to accommodate their seventh century culture. And of course, the Quebecers can't do a damn thing about it because, even if they had any balls, they don't have any guns. They are basically screwed, as they watch their culture go down the toilet. Of course, cowardly non-resistance only encourages these backwards bastards to invade other areas as well.

My rule of thumb; If you think you have enough ammunition, you are wrong.



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I recently heard from a trusted source that Quebec now has a very large minority of Mooslems. These towel-headed a**holes are running around dictating to the gutless French-Canadian government how things will be. Of course, not wanting to "offend" the filthy camel humpers, the Quebec government is bending over forward to accommodate their seventh century culture. And of course, the Quebecers can't do a damn thing about it because, even if they had any balls, they don't have any guns. They are basically screwed, as they watch their culture go down the toilet. Of course, cowardly non-resistance only encourages these backwards bastards to invade other areas as well.

My rule of thumb; If you think you have enough ammunition, you are wrong.



Hodag


Canada all over. I was up in BC maybe 20 years ago. Looked like more towelheads than Canadians. Used to live 2 hrs from Quebec in Northern Maine, glad I'm gone!

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hodag
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Canada all over. I was up in BC maybe 20 years ago. Looked like more towelheads than Canadians. Used to live 2 hrs from Quebec in Northern Maine, glad I'm gone!



I had no idea it was that bad. As a kid, we used to go up to Ontario every summer. North West Ontario. Then, I got older, had kids, responsibilities, life gets in the way. The last time I was there was in 1998 I think. That was only as far as Sioux Narrows, on Lake of the Woods, in extreme South Western Ontario. The two largest Canadian cities I've ever been in are Sudbury and Thunder Bay, and I assume the camel humpers generally hang out in the bigger cities. I'll bet if the goat ropers ever ventured too far into the bush, they might never be seen again. North Western Ontario is pretty vast. Lots of carnivores, if ya' know what I mean.

5/16/2016 1:25:07 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

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I had no idea it was that bad. As a kid, we used to go up to Ontario every summer. North West Ontario. Then, I got older, had kids, responsibilities, life gets in the way. The last time I was there was in 1998 I think. That was only as far as Sioux Narrows, on Lake of the Woods, in extreme South Western Ontario. The two largest Canadian cities I've ever been in are Sudbury and Thunder Bay, and I assume the camel humpers generally hang out in the bigger cities. I'll bet if the goat ropers ever ventured too far into the bush, they might never be seen again. North Western Ontario is pretty vast. Lots of carnivores, if ya' know what I mean.


Yes I'm sure they are all in the cities. I haven't been to Canada in 20 years, didn't leave anything there no reason to go back. Prince Rupert BC was where I saw so many, and all the way there!

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hodag
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Yes I'm sure they are all in the cities. I haven't been to Canada in 20 years, didn't leave anything there no reason to go back. Prince Rupert BC was where I saw so many, and all the way there!


Crossing Northern Maine into Quebec, (or that tiny little pan handle of New Brunswick?) and taking it to Prince Rupert is pretty much crossing the entire country, eh? (Sorry, I had to get that in there!)

Their politics suck, but I would like to get back and do some Walleye fishing. The pristine environment, the abundance of fish, and the solitude, especially if you fly in, is unbelievable. As soon as your plane lands, your attitude is "I'm in the middle of nowhere, and the rest of the world can kiss my ass." Sitting in front of the cabin at 10:00 PM with a little libation and hearing something crashing through the bush 30 yards away, or skinny dipping at midnight when the wolves are howling is an unbelievable experience.

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Crossing Northern Maine into Quebec, (or that tiny little pan handle of New Brunswick?) and taking it to Prince Rupert is pretty much crossing the entire country, eh? (Sorry, I had to get that in there!)

Their politics suck, but I would like to get back and do some Walleye fishing. The pristine environment, the abundance of fish, and the solitude, especially if you fly in, is unbelievable. As soon as your plane lands, your attitude is "I'm in the middle of nowhere, and the rest of the world can kiss my ass." Sitting in front of the cabin at 10:00 PM with a little libation and hearing something crashing through the bush 30 yards away, or skinny dipping at midnight when the wolves are howling is an unbelievable experience.


Yup, lived Maine 11 years and Wa state near 20. Hit both ends, In 74 I went to Montreal. That was a nice city. Expensive though. Women were all dressed so nice, nice people. No towelheds then either.

Can't argue good hunting and fishing, camping, some bourbon. The guys in town, 3 -4 of them went every year and got caribou.

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hodag
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Can't argue good hunting and fishing, camping, some bourbon. The guys in town, 3 -4 of them went every year and got caribou.



Many, many moons ago, (A little Indian lingo, there) my Dad and I were fishing the North end of the Ogoki Reservoir, North of Armstrong, Ontario. A bull, cow and calf Woodland Caribou came right up to the waters edge and started grazing on the salad bar growing there. The bull was watching us, the cow not so much, and junior couldn't care less. We were in our boat, probably 50-75 yards out, so I guess they realized we were no threat.

What amazed us was the bull didn't leave as soon as he knocked mama up. Back at camp, we were told Woodland Caribou are the only sub-species where the bull hangs around with mom and junior instead of moving on like virtually every other member of the deer family. Don't know if that's true, but that's what we were told.

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DUHHHHHHHH! The Democrats need something to ignore and mock.

5/16/2016 10:27:09 PM Why do we have laws and legislation?  

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DUHHHHHHHH! The Democrats need something to ignore and mock.



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The Bible


The Constitution


The Bill of Rights


Traditional marriage


The U.S. Military


Christians


Jews


Pro Lifers


NRA Members


Police


Oil Companies


Coal miners


Loggers


Truck Drivers


Caucasians


Heterosexuals


Conservatives


Preppers


SUV owners


Pickup truck owners


The unborn


Pharmaceutical companies


Insurance companies


The Koch Brothers


Commercial fishermen


Benjamin Netanyahu


The firearms industry