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tnteacher101 Morristown, TN 67, joined Aug. 2010	Quote from wayn49: And be ready to meet Jesus Wayn: Since you think the Seventh Day Sabbath is the day or rest/worship do you also believe that Yahweh's Holy Days are to be observed/honored today and do you believe the unclean animals are still unclean? Steve
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012	* I'm already ready, wayn.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008	Seventh Day Adventist Church, founded by Ellen White. Catholic Church, founded by Jesus Christ.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	No thanks, OP. I am a "Jesus freak".
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008	Me too.
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louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	Wayne, if you join the Seven Day Adventist Church, you won’t be ready to meet Jesus. Ellen White thought that his coming was invisible, and that the Antichrist is not “a certain man” who will reign for three and a half years as foretold in the Bible, but an organization, namely the Church established by Jesus Christ, which will reign for thousands of years. In a word, she taught that the Church established by Jesus Christ upon the Apostle Peter is the Antichrist. No, Adventists will not be ready to meet him. Not everyone who cries out “Lord, Lord” will be saved. Our Lord foretells in the Book of Revelation that the ultimate destiny of “liars and lovers of lies” will be the Lake of Fire and the Second Death, the death of the spirit. Our Lord has told a woman in a life after death experience to leave the Seven Day Adventist Church, so it does not have the endorsement of Our Lord. It is not of God. Ellen White’s visions did not come from God. When Our Lord told his Apostle that he will give to him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and that whatever he binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven and that whatever he looses on Earth will be loosed in Heaven, he meant it. He was appointing his Apostle Peter his prime minister in his absence. Ellen White did not think Christ had the authority to appoint a prime minister in his absence, that Christ overstepped his authority by doing this, that he had no authority to delegate his authority. You know, he had all authority, but no authority to delegate his authority. So he really did not have all authority. Louie
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from louie6332: Wayne, if you join the Seven Day Adventist Church, you won’t be ready to meet Jesus. Ellen White thought that his coming was invisible, and that the Antichrist is not “a certain man” who will reign for three and a half years as foretold in the Bible, but an organization, namely the Church established by Jesus Christ, which will reign for thousands of years. In a word, she taught that the Church established by Jesus Christ upon the Apostle Peter is the Antichrist. No, Adventists will not be ready to meet him. Not everyone who cries out “Lord, Lord” will be saved. Our Lord foretells in the Book of Revelation that the ultimate destiny of “liars and lovers of lies” will be the Lake of Fire and the Second Death, the death of the spirit. Our Lord has told a woman in a life after death experience to leave the Seven Day Adventist Church, so it does not have the endorsement of Our Lord. It is not of God. Ellen White’s visions did not come from God. When Our Lord told his Apostle that he will give to him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and that whatever he binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven and that whatever he looses on Earth will be loosed in Heaven, he meant it. He was appointing his Apostle Peter his prime minister in his absence. Ellen White did not think Christ had the authority to appoint a prime minister in his absence, that Christ overstepped his authority by doing this, that he had no authority to delegate his authority. You know, he had all authority, but no authority to delegate his authority. So he really did not have all authority. Louie So, Louie -- you don't think Peter was a pope but an apostle?
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wayn49 Birmingham, AL 56, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from tnteacher101: Wayn: Since you think the Seventh Day Sabbath is the day or rest/worship do you also believe that Yahweh's Holy Days are to be observed/honored today and do you believe the unclean animals are still unclean? Steve i believe saturday is the sabbath and always has been and sunday is the wrong the day. and i believe we should stay away from unclean meats. as far as holy days there is only one day that is holy and that is the sabbath
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wayn49 Birmingham, AL 56, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from louie6332: Wayne, if you join the Seven Day Adventist Church, you won’t be ready to meet Jesus. Ellen White thought that his coming was invisible, and that the Antichrist is not “a certain man” who will reign for three and a half years as foretold in the Bible, but an organization, namely the Church established by Jesus Christ, which will reign for thousands of years. In a word, she taught that the Church established by Jesus Christ upon the Apostle Peter is the Antichrist. No, Adventists will not be ready to meet him. Not everyone who cries out “Lord, Lord” will be saved. Our Lord foretells in the Book of Revelation that the ultimate destiny of “liars and lovers of lies” will be the Lake of Fire and the Second Death, the death of the spirit. Our Lord has told a woman in a life after death experience to leave the Seven Day Adventist Church, so it does not have the endorsement of Our Lord. It is not of God. Ellen White’s visions did not come from God. When Our Lord told his Apostle that he will give to him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and that whatever he binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven and that whatever he looses on Earth will be loosed in Heaven, he meant it. He was appointing his Apostle Peter his prime minister in his absence. Ellen White did not think Christ had the authority to appoint a prime minister in his absence, that Christ overstepped his authority by doing this, that he had no authority to delegate his authority. You know, he had all authority, but no authority to delegate his authority. So he really did not have all authority. Louie and here you need to get your facts right
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Even most Christians know the Sabbath is Saturday and that Sunday is there Lord's Day. You don't have to be SDA to know that.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Even most Christians know the Sabbath is Saturday and that Sunday is there Lord's Day. You don't have to be SDA to know that. OMG! The Lord's Day is the day when Jesus returns. It is also know as the Day of the Lord... CLV 2Pt 3:10 Now the day of the Lord will be arriving as a thief, in which the heavens shall be passing by with a booming noise, yet the elements shall be dissolved by combustion, and the earth and the works in it shall be found. CLV 2Th 2:2 that you be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be alarmed, either through spirit, or through word, or through an epistle as through us, as that the day of the Lord is present. CLV 1Th 5:2 for you yourselves are accurately aware that the day of the Lord is as a thief in the night--thus is it coming~! CLV 2C 1:14 according as you also recognized us in part, for we are your glorying (even as you also are ours) in the day of our Lord Jesus. CLV 1C 5:5 to give up such a one to Satan for the extermination of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. CLV 1C 1:8 Who will be confirming you also until the consummation, unimpeachable in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. Hey. they don't call her Dim for nothin.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: Me too. You are not. You are a liar, a wolf in sheeps's clothing. You don't even love Jesus enough to obey Him.
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kb2222 Jacksonville, FL 77, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: Me too. You are a corrupt fool, Ludlow, you blaspheme God/Jesus with your murderous beliefs and teachings. You don't know righteousness from wickedness or you don't care and you teach God doesn't know or care either. You are a corrupt fool. Ludlow.
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	No thank you, I prefer Scripture over Pyschics. A Quick Introduction to Seventh-day Adventism Seventh-day Adventism has long been a misunderstood group. This is because beginning in the 1950's they began to seek acceptance by evangelical, born-again Christians. They opened up a dialogue with Walter Martin at Donald Grey Barnhouse's insistence. What followed was a stunning piece of public relations work that began a cover-up of the real truths of Adventism. Adventists desperately want to be accepted so that they may proselytize Christians. You may find the following information to be informative and helpful. SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS HAVE A FALSE PROPHETESS - Ellen G. White. Adventists officially state, "As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth and provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction" "The Dallas Statement 17" (emphasis supplied). Ellen White's writings are called the "Spirit of Prophecy" and "The Testimony of Jesus". She is considered by Adventists to be as inspired as Bible writers. Her writings are considered to be as inspired as the Bible. Space does not permit us to show her many false prophecies but documentation is available. She is the authoress of the books quoted below. Her writings represent current Adventist beliefs. Speaking of her writings she said, "The testimonies are of the Spirit of God or of the Devil" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 4, p. 230. THE CULTIC DOCTRINES OF SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM 1). THE ATONEMENT IS NOT COMPLETE "The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel sin....It will stand in the sanctuary until the final atonement" Patriarchs and Prophets, P. 357 (emphasis added). "Now while our great High Priest is making the atonement for us, we should seek to become perfect in Christ" The Great Controversy, p. 623 (emphasis added). "...instead of coming to the earth at the termination of the 2300 days in 1844, Christ then entered the most holy place of the heavenly sanctuary to perform the closing work of atonement preparatory to His coming" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added). 2). BELIEVERS ENTER INTO A JUDGMENT OF WORKS WHICH DETERMINES THEIR SALVATION "At the time appointed for the judgment.... All who have ever taken upon themselves the name of Christ must pass its searching scrutiny. Both the living and the dead are to be judged "out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works" The Great Controversy, P. 486 (emphasis added). "Every case had been decided for life or death. While Jesus had been ministering in the sanctuary, the judgment had been going on for the righteous dead, and then for the righteous living" Early Writings, p. 280 (emphasis added). "So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God" The Great Controversy, p. 480 (emphasis added). "as the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived upon the earth....Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God's remembrance" The Great Controversy, p. 483 (emphasis added). See John 5:24; Romans 8:1 3). WORKS PLUS GRACE EQUALS SALVATION "The judgment is to set, the books are to be opened, and we are to be judged according to our deeds" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 100 (emphasis added). Remember, this is a judgment of works for salvation, not for rewards. "While good works will not save even one soul, yet it is impossible for even one soul to be saved without good works" Selected Messages, bk. 1, p. 377 (emphasis added). 4). SATAN BEARS OUR SINS "It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed" The Great Controversy, p. 422 (emphasis added). "Their sins are transferred to the originator of sin" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 475. 5). CHRISTIANS WILL STAND BEFORE GOD WITHOUT CHRIST'S INTERCESSION "Those who are living upon the earth when the intercession of Christ shall cease in the sanctuary above are to stand in the sight of a holy God without a mediator" The Great Controversy, p. 425 (emphasis added). "When Jesus ceases to plead for man, the cases of all are forever decided. This is the time of reckoning with His servants" Testimonies for the Church, vol. 2, p. 191 (emphasis added). Because they will have to stand before God without a mediator Adventists believe that they must be perfect before Jesus returns: 6). WE CAN BE SINLESS "Those only who through faith in Christ obey all of God's commandments will reach the condition of sinlessness in which Adam lived before his transgression" Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 6, p. 1118 (emphasis added). "To be redeemed means to cease from sin" Review & Herald, September 25, 1900 (emphasis added). I John 1:8,10 7). THE SABBATH IS THE SEAL OF GOD AND THOSE WORSHIPING ON SUNDAY WILL RECIEVE THE MARK OF THE BEAST It is well known that Adventists teach Sabbath-keeping. What is not so well known is that they teach that it is the seal of God and that those who worship on Sunday before the Rapture will receive the mark of the beast. Ultimately, according to Adventist theology, salvation in the last days boils down to the day you worship on! Quick Intro to SDA - exAdventist Outreach www.exadventist.com/home/intro/tabid/64/default.aspx
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	All born again Christians believe that Luther didn't understand that REWARDS are 100 percent earned; whereas FAITH is 100% Free!! Luther also wrongly believed that James and Revelation were not part of God's Word. HOW ARE WE SAVED BY FAITH?? Hebrews 11:1,3,6,9,10,13-16: Now FAITH is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see...By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what is visible... And without FAITH it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. ... By FAITH Abraham made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God...All these people were still living by FAITH when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them! {The New Jerusalem with its New heaven and New Earth. as per Revelation 21:1-5} Romans 3:22-25,27,28: This righteousness from God comes through FAITH in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God promised Him as a sacrifice of atonement , through FAITH in His blood!!....Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded . On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but that of FAITH! For we maintain that a man is justified by FAITH apart from observing the law! Romans 4:6-8" David says the same thing when he speaks of blessedness of the man whom God credits righteousness apart from works! {In Psalm 32:1,2:} "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER count against him!" Romans 10:17: FAITH comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the Word of Christ! Galatians 5:5,6: By FAITH we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The ONLY THING that counts is FAITH expressing itself through Love! Colossians 1:4-6: We have heard of your FAITH in Christ Jesus and of the LOVE you have for all the saints--the FAITH and LOVE that spring from the hope that is stored up for you in heaven and that you have already heard about in the Word of Truth, the Gospel that has come to you! Ephesians 2:4-10: But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by Grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His GRACE, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by Grace you have been saved, through FAITH--and this is NOT from yourselves, it is the GIFT OF GOD--not by works; so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do! John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED them!!"
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wayn49 Birmingham, AL 56, joined Feb. 2011	this is one church where you will find many who are doing Gods will
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louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	Prophetic, you quote Paul: “For it is by Grace you have been saved, through FAITH--and this is NOT from yourselves, it is the GIFT OF GOD--not by works”. Prophetic, why do you keep quoting Paul as if he knew what he was talking about? Here he is tripping all over his own two feet trying to formulate his doctrine of salvation by faith. The truth is that works is an ordinary source of grace. By doing works, you obtain grace. Do men have the ability to choose good or evil WITHOUT grace? Yes. Men have free will to choose to do good or evil at all times with or without grace, graces do not bind the Will. Even with grace, men have the FREEDOM to corporate with grace or not. And concerning rewards, just obtaining eternal life and Heaven, ARE rewards in and of themselves. Although you don’t think so Prophetic, Heaven itself IS a reward. It is certainly not a punishment. What you are arguing Prophetic is that our rewards in Heaven are determined by our works. But just obtaining Heaven is a reward in and of itself, but you are excluding that as a reward, because you are trying to keep the heresy that works have nothing to do with salvation. Stop twisting yourself into knots Prophetic trying to reconcile truth with error. Error CANNOT be reconciled with truth. Louie
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Now Louie claims that we are saved by GOOD WORS, but what des God's Word say?? The Apostle Peter wrote in I Peter 1:17-19: For you know it was not with perishable things such as silver and gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, a Lamb without blemish or defect!! Isaiah 53:5,6: But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all!! I Peter 2:24,25: He Himself bore our sins in his body on a tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness, BY HIS WOUNDS WE ARE HEALED!. For you were like sheep going astray , but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls! The apostle John wrote in I John 2:1,2: But if anybody does sin, we have One who speaks in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS. And not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world! I John 4:10: This is love; not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son as AN ATONING SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS*! Revelation 22:16,18,19: "I, Jesus. have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Churches.... I warn everyone who hears the words of this prophecy of this Book: If anyone ADDS* anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this Book {Including ETERNAL HELL} And if anyone TAKES WORDS AWAY {Like Louie)from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the Tree of Life and in the Holy City {The New Jerusalem}, which are described in this book." Revelation 1:5: From Jesus Christ, to Him who loves and has FREED US FROM OUR SINS BY HIS BLOOD!! Which TNT totally disagrees with and commits the unpardonable sin of TAKING WORDS AWAY from the book of Revelation!! Revelation 5:9: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because You were slain and WITH YOUR BLOOD purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation!!" John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED them!!"
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louie6332 Falkville, AL 75, joined Nov. 2011	Prophetic, virtually every book of the Bible says that every man “will be judged according to his works”. And Christ himself started naming off the Ten Commandments when asked by a young man, “Lord what must we do to be saved?” Our Lord was very specific when giving the criteria for salvation for Christians through a Catholic prophet: Outside of the Sacraments, four things are required for you efforts at salvation to be complete: you must (1) obey God’s commandments, (2) pray, (3) do penance for sin, and (4) do good works. These things, these works, are ordinary sources of grace, and this is what it means to PRACTICE the Christian faith, and one is not saved by faith alone, defined as simple belief, but by the PRACTICE of faith. Furthermore, God the Father reveals through his servant the prophet Ezekiel: If a man lives all his life as a good man but then falls from grace and commits grave evils and dies in that state, then he is lost. And if a man lives all his life as a wicked man but then turns from evil to doing good and dies in that state, then he is saved, for God wishes not the death of sinners but that they repent and be saved. In a word, those who do wicked works go to Hell and those who do good works go to Heaven, and it is the state you are at the moment of death that seals your fate forever. So here again, we have the revelation, found in virtually every book of the Bible, which Protestants pretend is their sole authority, that men will be judged according to their works. And we have Our Lord himself saying to a man who died and met him for judgment saying “Lord I did miracles in your name etc. and Our Lord said to him: “Away from me you EVIL DOER into the fires of Hell prepared for the Devil and his angles, I never knew you”. Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will be saved. Here again, Our Lord is confirming that unrepentant evil doers, those who do evil works, go to Hell. Christ did not do everything by dying on the Cross. What he did was to open the gates of Heaven to men of Good Will by paying down the debt of sin so that men of Good Will could pay the rest. Every work that one does for his salvation on Earth is multiplied greatly by the passion and merits of Christ. But one must do something for their own salvation. Any number, no matter how large, times zero, is still zero. One must do something for their own salvation to benefit from the merits and passion of Christ. Stop trying to dance around it Prophetic. Stop trying to whitewash the excommunicated heretic Martin Luther and his heretical doctrine that Christ did everything and you don’t have to do anything for your own salvation but accept it as a free gift. God the Son and God the Father did not lie. You have to do something. Martin Luther lied. Don't defend his lies. Louie
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from wayn49: this is one church where you will find many who are doing Gods will I have no doubt some members do just that. But no "church", does that, it is the members who do it. Jesus did not come here for the SDA or Roman Catholic Church. And that is one thing you both get wrong. And I noticed you did not say one of the, but rather you said "one church'. Catholics and SDA, share the belief that Salvation entails believing in their faith. SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH MANUAL Baptismal Vow and Commitment [Vow and Commitment made before their baptism] 3. Do you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior, believing that God, in Christ, has forgiven your sins and given you a new heart, and do you renounce the sinful ways of the world? 6. Do you accept the Ten Commandments as a transcript of the character of God and a revelation of His will? Is it your purpose by the power of the indwelling Christ to keep this law, including the fourth commandment, which requires the observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord and the memorial of Creation? 8. Do you accept the biblical teaching of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church? 11. Do you know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church? Do you purpose, by the grace of God, to fulfill His will by ordering your life in harmony with these principles? Commitment 3. I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and personal Savior and believe that God, in Christ, has forgiven my sins and given me a new heart, and I renounce the sinful ways of the world. Voting Acceptance Subject to Baptism—After the candidates have, in the presence of the church membership or other properly appointed body, answered the questions of the vow in the affirmative, or assurance has been given to the church that they have already done so, the church should vote on their acceptance into membership subject to baptism, which should not be unduly delayed. Communion Service The communion service customarily is celebrated once per quarter. The service includes the ordinance of foot-washing followed by the Lord’s Supper…The service usually takes place during the worship service but may be scheduled at other times. Quotes copied & pasted from: http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html And no where is it found in Scripture any thing that validates that Baptism in the SDA is salvation. You know if it is, as they claim ( same as the Catholics} the 'remnant " church that Jesus Christ founded? Then it would be in Scripture. [Edited 7/11/2016 2:26:24 PM ]
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012	* Without taking sides and getting into this argument, I would just like to say one thing regarding the SDA church, and that is that I think people could do worse.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Actually I tend to agree with you FJO. They have alot we can learn from there. But I do not support organized religion on any level. People tend to try to replace their religion with the living presence of Christ Jesus.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	All born again Christians believe that Luther didn't understand that REWARDS for believers are 100 percent earned; whereas FAITH is 100% Free!! Luther also wrongly believed that James and Revelation were not part of God's Word. HOW ARE WE SAVED BY FAITH?? Hebrews 11:1,3,6,9,10,13-16: Now FAITH is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see...By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what is visible... And without FAITH it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. ... By FAITH Abraham made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God...All these people were still living by FAITH when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them! {The New Jerusalem with its New heaven and New Earth. as per Revelation 21:1-5} Romans 3:22-25,27,28: This righteousness from God comes through FAITH in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God promised Him as a sacrifice of atonement , through FAITH in His blood!!....Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded . On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but that of FAITH! For we maintain that a man is justified by FAITH apart from observing the law! Romans 4:6-8" David says the same thing when he speaks of blessedness of the man whom God credits righteousness apart from works! {In Psalm 32:1,2:} "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will NEVER count against him!" Romans 10:17: FAITH comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the Word of Christ! Galatians 5:5,6: By FAITH we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The ONLY THING that counts is FAITH expressing itself through Love! Colossians 1:4-6: We have heard of your FAITH in Christ Jesus and of the LOVE you have for all the saints--the FAITH and LOVE that spring from the hope that is stored up for you in heaven and that you have already heard about in the Word of Truth, the Gospel that has come to you! Ephesians 2:4-10: But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by Grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His GRACE, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by Grace you have been saved, through FAITH--and this is NOT from yourselves, it is the GIFT OF GOD--not by works; so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do! John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED them!!"
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from louie6332: Prophetic, you are preaching predestination, and that if you are a Christian, you have a free ticket to Heaven, that if you are ever a faithful Christian, that you cannot fall from grace and into evil doing and die in that state and be lost.... And stop depending on Paul’s teachings, he was not taught by Christ and was not a prophet. He is used to justify all sorts of heresies because of his tripping over his own two feet as he tried to formulate his doctrine of salvation by fath. I’m with Tnt on this, stick with Christ and his twelve and on what is revealed through the prophets and you will be on safe ground. Louie Well Louie I guess you also agree with TNT that 2 Peter was not inspired by God and that the book of Acts was not inspired by God. Acts 15:1-11: Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question the church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made ALL THE BROTHERS very glad. When they came to Jerusalem, they were WELCOMED BY THE CHURCH AND THE APOSTLES AND ELDERS, to whom they reported everything God had done through them. Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses. The brother and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them. "Brothers you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the Gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart showed that the accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. he made no distinction between us and them, for He purified their hearts by FAITH. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the GRACE of our Lord Jesus that we are saved as they are!" Acts 9:3-6;15-17: As he {Paul or Saul} neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" "Who are you Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus whom you are persecuting," He replied. "Now get up And go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."...The Lord said to Ananias, "Go! This man is My CHOSEN INSTRUMENT to carry My name before the Gentiles and before their kings and before the people of Israel.. Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit!!" The apostle Peter was inspired by God to write 2 Peter 3:15,16: bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our DEAR BROTHER PAUL also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, in speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things which are hard {For unbelievers) to understand, which ignorant and unstable people {Like Louis and TNT} as they do the other Scripture, to their own destruction!! Louie and TNT would also disagree with the Apostle John who was inspired by God to write: John 6:37,39,44,65: Jesus says, "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and whoever comes to Me I will NEVER drive away...And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall LOSE NONE of all that He has given Me, but raise them up at the Last Day... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise them up at the Last Day!... No one can come to Me UNLESS the Father has ENABLED them!!"
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	I have a headache. I can't read all that.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Now Ludlow, Louie and the Roman Catholic Church claim that the brothers of Jesus are really cousins since there is no word for cousin in Aramaic. However the New Testament was written in inspired Greek which has an inspired word for cousins!! There is no need for all this wrangling to support an erroneous theological position concocted in the dark ages by dualistic philosophers that had taken control of the Roman Catholic Church. The Bible says what it means and means what it says: Jesus did indeed have brothers. His mother lost her virginity sometime after He was born. That's why the Bible very clearly states that Joseph “kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son...” (Matthew 1:25, NASB). That means Joseph didn't keep her a virgin forever, but until some time after she had given birth to Jesus. The fact that Mary indulged in sex with her husband after Jesus was born does not in any way diminish from who she was; but to claim that her having sex diminished her, as Roman Catholicism does, is an insult to Jesus' mother! Finally, the entire New Testament is in Greek. That is the very precise language God chose for the New Testament. Now, Greek does indeed have a word for "cousin," anepsios, which is used in Colossians 4:10 to describe the relationship between Barnabas and Mark who were cousins. Paul, who wrote Colossians, and evidently knew the word for "cousin", did not apply it to James, the Lord's "brother", in Galatians 1:19. Matthew and Luke also wrote their inspired gospels in Greek, and they certainly had a word for "cousin" at their disposal. They didn't use it because it was inaccurate since these were obviously Jesus' real brothers. JESUS SAYS WHOEVER DOES GOD'S WILL IS MY MOTHER!! Satanic popes have decreed that Mary was a sinless virgin who you can pray to and forgive sins and that Jesus had NO brothers and sisters. But what does God's Sacred Words say??? Matthew 1:24,25: When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union with her UNTIL she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus. Mark 6:1,3: Jesus left and went to His hometown...and began to teach...They asked, "Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't His sisters here with us?" Matthew 13:54-56: Coming to His hometwon, Jesus began teaching and people were amazed. "Where did this man get this widowm and these miraculous powers?" they asked. "Isn't this the carpeenter's son? Isn't His mother's name Mary, and aren't His brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren't all His sisters with us?" Mark 3:31-34: Then Jesus' mother and BROTHERS arrived. Standing outside...A crowd was sitting around Him, and they told Him, "Your mother and BROTHERS are outside looking for you." "Who are My mother and my brothers?" Jesus asked. Then He looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother!" In Mark 3:34 confirms that "Whoever does God's will is My MOTHER !!!" Jesus is also called the Son of David 17 times in the NT!!! Matthew 6:6,9-11: Jesus says, “When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you ...This then is how you should pray: “Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be your name, your Kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven Luke 11:4 adds "Forgive us our sins.....” Is there even one instance where a believer prayed to someone other than the Father in the OT or the NT?? Answer; ZERO! What church had its evil leader decree that it is OK to pray to and worship Mary, a human being, who was a sinless VIRGIN? You will note that Mary is not even mentioned once in God's Word after Acts 1. To say that Mary was a sinless virgin without other children contradicts God's Sacred Word many times. And to say that we should pray to anyone but the Father in Jesus name is absolute Satanic blasphemy.
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from followjesusonly: * Without taking sides and getting into this argument, I would just like to say one thing regarding the SDA church, and that is that I think people could do worse. I guess it depends on your perspective and where you are coming from. You have mentioned that you were raised Catholic and left it, so you will notice more about their claims. I was raised in an extreme legalistic belief, very much like the SDA. Where one lost their Salvation for a sin, and like the SDA there were not enough sins in the Bible already listed for them, they had to make even more sins up. And so I know the depression that can occur when one fixates on having to work your way to Jesus, be clean enough to approach him, the emphasis on doctrinal conformity in order to have Salvation. And the indoctrination of Bibical prophecy interpretation that conforms to the groups was more important than any thing else. Its why today, I still get angry over those who claim they know exactly what is going on and when. I ended up giving up. It was just too depressing to be always falling in and out of a state of Grace by simple actions that they claim were "sin'. Fundamentalism, does more harm to the message of Christ than any direct enemy of Christ. And it promotes the notion that you are one of Gods 'chosen", so there fore the other guy is not. {You know Lud shares a lot with the SDA.}
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008	So, Isna, because living a virtuous life requires effort, we should just throw up our hands, quit trying, and kid ourselves by telling ourselves that all will be saved? Without God's grace it is impossible to live a virtuous life. With God's grace it is indeed possible. It is not always easy but it is always doable---if we rely on God's grace.
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: So, Isna, because living a virtuous life requires effort, we should just throw up our hands, quit trying, and kid ourselves by telling ourselves that all will be saved? Without God's grace it is impossible to live a virtuous life. With God's grace it is indeed possible. It is not always easy but it is always doable---if we rely on God's grace. And what is a"virtuous " life? Does being a member of an exclusive teaching church, ensure you of that? See you are proving my point when I said that Fundementalism encourages one to start thinking he is chosen, and there fore better than the next person. Because I reject the beliefs I was raised in that having a drink is a sin, or reject the SDA assumption that having a coffee is a sin, or rejecting the Catholics belief that a woman using a birth control is a sinner, I am rejecting being virtuous? No, I am rejecting extreme legalism. You claim you are more virtuous than I, because you follow a code spelled out by a Church. But I am under just as much obligation, being under the law that says one must love their nehibour. Yea, I had a smoke last week and my old church would say its a sin, I am drinking a coffee right now which the SDA say is a sin. But virtue is not based on that. I feel no obligation to follow rules like that. But I do feel it to help my 'nehibour' which is why I am doing what I am right now.
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008	A virtuous life is a life lived in accordance with the natural law, as summed up by the ten commandments. And for those who keep the commandments a little less than perfectly, they can be saved, but by fire (1 Corinthians 13:15) (a reference to Purgatory). It is not enough to just believe---we have to put that belief into practice. "Faith without works is dead," said St. James. Let us not forget that God is always willing to forgive the repentant sinner.
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	A virtuous life is a life lived in accordance with the natural law, as summed up by the ten commandments. And for those who keep the commandments a little less than perfectly, they can be saved, but by fire (1 Corinthians 13:15) (a reference to Purgatory). So how does that mean that I am against living a virtuous life, which you judged me as? Exodus 20 Exodus 20Young's Literal Translation (YLT) 20 `And God speaketh all these words, saying, 2 I [am] Jehovah thy God, who hath brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of a house of servants. 3 `Thou hast no other Gods before Me. 4 `Thou dost not make to thyself a graven image, or any likeness which [is] in the heavens above, or which [is] in the earth beneath, or which [is] in the waters under the earth. 5 Thou dost not bow thyself to them, nor serve them: for I, Jehovah thy God, [am] a zealous God, charging iniquity of fathers on sons, on the third [generation], and on the fourth, of those hating Me, 6 and doing kindness to thousands, of those loving Me and keeping My commands. 7 `Thou dost not take up the name of Jehovah thy God for a vain thing, for Jehovah acquitteth not him who taketh up His name for a vain thing. 8 `Remember the Sabbath-day to sanctify it; 9 six days thou dost labour, and hast done all thy work, 10 and the seventh day [is] a Sabbath to Jehovah thy God; thou dost not do any work, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and thy cattle, and thy sojourner who is within thy gates, -- Which one of these do I break that you do not? How does one rejecting by laws made by a church as being sin, mean rejecting these laws? How are you more virtuous tough guy?
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: A virtuous life is a life lived in accordance with the natural law, as summed up by the ten commandments. And for those who keep the commandments a little less than perfectly, they can be saved, but by fire (1 Corinthians 13:15) (a reference to Purgatory). PURGATORY ~~ a Roman Catholic doctrine DOCTRINE ~~ a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a church, political party, or other group. DOGMA ~~ I said it and you can't prove I'm wrong! WRONG! It is not enough to just believe---we have to put that belief into practice. "Faith without works is dead," said Apostle James, Bishop of Jerusalem, brother of Jesus Christ. Let us not forget that God is always willing to forgive the repentant sinner. Are you repenting, LUD? [Edited 7/13/2016 11:42:33 AM ]
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: "Aha" is the Aramaic word for brother. "Aha" is the Aramaic word for cousin. That settles that. However Ludlow the NT was written in Greek and not Aramaic!! Finally, the entire New Testament is in Greek. That is the very precise language God chose for the New Testament. Now, Greek does indeed have a word for "cousin," anepsios, which is used in Colossians 4:10 to describe the relationship between Barnabas and Mark who were cousins. Paul, who wrote Colossians, and evidently knew the word for "cousin", did not apply it to James, the Lord's "brother", in Galatians 1:19. Matthew and Luke also wrote their inspired gospels in Greek, and they certainly had a word for "cousin" at their disposal. They didn't use it because it was inaccurate since these were obviously Jesus' real brothers.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Aha! (biblical) heh-awkh corresponds to: He a demonstrative particle:Lo! Behold! [Strong's] see: (among others) Isaiah 44:16 Psalm 35:21, 35:25, 40:16 Ezekiel 25:3, 36:2 Job 39:25 There is no ancient Hebrew or Aramaic word for "brother" or "cousin". The word is Greek: adelphos (from the womb) In NT the Aramaic term could mean either cousin or brother, it does mean sons of the same father. Could LUD, possibly, be saying that Jesus Christ is a child of incest?
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from isna_la_wica: So how does that mean that I am against living a virtuous life, which you judged me as? Exodus 20 Exodus 20Young's Literal Translation (YLT) 20 `And God speaketh all these words, saying, 2 I [am] Jehovah thy God, who hath brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of a house of servants. 3 `Thou hast no other Gods before Me. 4 `Thou dost not make to thyself a graven image, or any likeness which [is] in the heavens above, or which [is] in the earth beneath, or which [is] in the waters under the earth. 5 Thou dost not bow thyself to them, nor serve them: for I, Jehovah thy God, [am] a zealous God, charging iniquity of fathers on sons, on the third [generation], and on the fourth, of those hating Me, 6 and doing kindness to thousands, of those loving Me and keeping My commands. 7 `Thou dost not take up the name of Jehovah thy God for a vain thing, for Jehovah acquitteth not him who taketh up His name for a vain thing. 8 `Remember the Sabbath-day to sanctify it; 9 six days thou dost labour, and hast done all thy work, 10 and the seventh day [is] a Sabbath to Jehovah thy God; thou dost not do any work, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and thy cattle, and thy sojourner who is within thy gates, -- Which one of these do I break that you do not? How does one rejecting by laws made by a church as being sin, mean rejecting these laws? How are you more virtuous tough guy? If you are living a virtuous life, Isna, more power to you. You did say you were involved in an organization opposed to the international sex-slave trade, and I greatly respect you for that. That is an horrific evil that not enough people know exists.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Ah yes... The virtuous life...
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Ludlow, Louie and the Roman Catholic Church believes that popes are temporarily the Head of the church on earth until Jesus comes again?? But what does God's Word say?? Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and ON EARTH has been given to ME. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you ALWAYS, TO THE VERY END OF THE AGE!!" Ephesians 1:19-22: That power is like the working of His mighty strength, which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the PRESENT AGE but also in the one to come. And God paced ALL THINGS under His feet and appointed Him {Not a pope}to be the *HEAD* over EVERYTHING FOR THE CHURCH, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills everything in every way!! Ephesians 5:23,24: For the husband is the head of the wife as CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH, His body, of which He is the Savior. Now as the CHURCH SUBMITS TO CHRIST, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything!! Ephesians 4:7; 11-16; But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.... It was HE {Not the Church or popes} who gives some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ, may be built up untill we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Instead, speaking the TRUTH IN LOVE, we will in all things grow up into Him who is the HEAD, that is CHRIST {not a pope!} From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work!! Matthew 16:13,15-18: Jesus asked His disciples "Who do people say the Son of Man is?...Who do you say I am?? Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but BY MY FATHER IN HEAVEN. And I tell you that you are Peter {Greek for a stone}, and on this Rock I will build MY CHURCH!" The Greek word for Peter is "Petros" and never means Rock; whereas the Greek word for ROCK is "Petra". Many times is God's Word Jesus is called a ROCK such as I Corinthians 10:2-4: They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual ROCK{Greek-Petra}, and that ROCK WAS CHRIST! And so Christ claims that he will build MY CHURCH on the spiritual ROCK{Greek-Petra} which is the statement that "On this ROCK{Greek-Petra} I will build **MY CHURCH!!"{Matthew 16:18}
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from cupocheer: Aha! (biblical) heh-awkh corresponds to: He a demonstrative particle:Lo! Behold! [Strong's] see: (among others) Isaiah 44:16 Psalm 35:21, 35:25, 40:16 Ezekiel 25:3, 36:2 Job 39:25 There is no ancient Hebrew or Aramaic word for "brother" or "cousin". The word is Greek: adelphos (from the womb) In NT the Aramaic term could mean either cousin or brother, it does mean sons of the same father. Could LUD, possibly, be saying that Jesus Christ is a child of incest?
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008	Jesus is the Son of God the Father and Mary. I never said otherwise. [Edited 7/13/2016 2:10:07 PM ]
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from ludlowlowell: Jesus is the Son of God the Father and Mary. I never said otherwise. But you do adhere to the Catholic Church "doctrine" that Mary was a perpetual virgin, right? Do you know why the Catholic Church assumed that stance, LUD?
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008	How, in any way, shape, or form, does believing that Jesus is the Son of God and the Son of Mary believing that Jesus is a product of incest? Where do you get that? How do you get that? Catholics and Protestants disagree on a lot but both have always believed that Jesus is the Son of God and the Son of Mary. At least most Protestants. At least true-believing Catholics. I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Brother
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012	Quote from isna_la_wica: I guess it depends on your perspective and where you are coming from. You have mentioned that you were raised Catholic and left it, so you will notice more about their claims. I was raised in an extreme legalistic belief, very much like the SDA. Where one lost their Salvation for a sin, and like the SDA there were not enough sins in the Bible already listed for them, they had to make even more sins up. And so I know the depression that can occur when one fixates on having to work your way to Jesus, be clean enough to approach him, the emphasis on doctrinal conformity in order to have Salvation. And the indoctrination of Bibical prophecy interpretation that conforms to the groups was more important than any thing else. Its why today, I still get angry over those who claim they know exactly what is going on and when. I ended up giving up. It was just too depressing to be always falling in and out of a state of Grace by simple actions that they claim were "sin'. Fundamentalism, does more harm to the message of Christ than any direct enemy of Christ. And it promotes the notion that you are one of Gods 'chosen", so there fore the other guy is not. {You know Lud shares a lot with the SDA.} I understand your post and agree. I really don't know that much about the SDA. I guess I just meant they were better than some. Also, there is a slight SDA connection to The Urantia Book, so knowing that I may have given them more of the benefit of doubt. Even if they believe that there is "no salvation outside of their church" (and I don't know if they believe that), they still don't go around cramming that down everyone's throat like the Catholics do, and burning people at the stake for not agreeing with them. Yeah, there weren't enough sins in the bible for the Catholics too, so they have extensive lists of other sins that they have added and derived, doctrines of men sins, designed, in my opinion, to keep you in constant doubt about your salvation so that you have to go to confession and stay in touch with the church at all times to get your ticket punched. I had to get away from that. When I was in puberty and they told me that the desire to have sex with someone, what they called "impure thoughts" was a sin, I knew I had to part company with them. Run of the mill "impure thoughts" about sex is driven by testosterone, and that's God given for the survival of the species. Sex thoughts are normal. When they told me sex thoughts were sinful, it was the beginning of the end of my relationship with Catholicism. You can't push the river. And I heartily agree with your statement that "Fundamentalism, does more harm to the message of Christ than any direct enemy of Christ." I have told Ludlow over and over that his heavy-handed fundamentalist, "our way or the highway" spiel-tactics do far more harm to the Catholic church than any good he thinks it does, and it drives people away from God in general. They just turn away in disgust. It's funny that he says he doesn't like fundamentalism either. He is one, as bad as they get. Have you read "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism," by Bishop John Shelby Spong? It's very good.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: A virtuous life is a life lived in accordance with the natural law, as summed up by the ten commandments. But you and your church don't keep all of the ten commandments. In fact, your church has completely eliminated one of them: 2. “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them." And for those who keep the commandments a little less than perfectly, they can be saved, but by fire (1 Corinthians 13:15) (a reference to Purgatory). Catholic lies. There is no Purgatory. You do not love, or know, God.
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012	Quote from cupocheer: Are you repenting, LUD? Jesus says that Ludlow doesn't even love God: "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24)
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isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 63, joined Mar. 2012	Have you read "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism," by Bishop John Shelby Spong? It's very good. Yes and his book the 'Sins Of Scripture " as well, makes one think. I like some of his stuff and he as person. He was one of the reasons I looked at the "openess" of the Anglican church actually. ( I am not a member Lud,lol!) Funny you mentioned him, I have chatted with him on Face Book. He is an interesting man, very approachable. Only he and Rick Warren go out of their way to chat with people who comment on their threads and in both instances with me, it was after I had left a comment where I disagreed with them. I respect that a lot and both of them for being approachable. [Edited 7/13/2016 3:20:56 PM ]
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followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 75, joined May. 2012	Quote from prophetic774: Quote from ludlowlowell: "Aha" is the Aramaic word for brother. "Aha" is the Aramaic word for cousin. That settles that. However Ludlow the NT was written in Greek and not Aramaic!! Finally, the entire New Testament is in Greek. That is the very precise language God chose for the New Testament. Now, Greek does indeed have a word for "cousin," anepsios, which is used in Colossians 4:10 to describe the relationship between Barnabas and Mark who were cousins. Paul, who wrote Colossians, and evidently knew the word for "cousin", did not apply it to James, the Lord's "brother", in Galatians 1:19. Matthew and Luke also wrote their inspired gospels in Greek, and they certainly had a word for "cousin" at their disposal. They didn't use it because it was inaccurate since these were obviously Jesus' real brothers. Agreed, Proph. The entire Catholic doctrine that Jesus had no brothers and sisters by Mary is unreality, a mere doctrine of men, a perpetual virginity "signs and wonders" that is totally unnecessary to Jesus' gospel or for salvation.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, "ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and ON EARTH has been given to ME. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations...teaching the to OBEY EVERYTHING I have commanded you. And surely I am with you ALWAYS, TO THE VERY END OF THE AGE!!" Matthew 23:9: Jesus commands, "Do not call ANYONE ON EARTH FATHER, for you have ONE {SPIRITUAL} FATHER** and He is in Heaven!!" Do you know of any Satanic Church which disobeys this command of Jesus and calls all their priests and their Satanic pope{spiritual} fathers??
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	WE ARE ALL EAGERLY WAITING FOR OUR ETERNAL RENDEZVOUS WITH JESUS ! I Peter 1:13: “Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope FULLY on the grace to be given YOU when Jesus Christ is REVEALED. I Cor 1:7: “YOU do not lack any spiritual gift as YOU eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be REVEALED.” Now the pre-tribbers claim that this glorious REVEALING or REVELATION* of Jesus will be CONCEALED BEFORE the beginning of the Great Tribulation. However, every other time the Word REVEALED {Greek-Apocalipsis} is used related to resurrection events it refers to the glorious REVEALING of Jesus on the LAST DAY of the Great Tribulation {See 2 Thess 1:7-10 & Luke 17:26-31}. And CONCEALED is the exact opposite of REVEALED and APPEARED according to every dictionary! Titus 2:13: “WE wait for the BLESSED HOPE—the glorious APPEARING of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Hebrews 9:28 “Jesus will APPEAR a 2nd time {And not a 3rd TIME!} to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him!” Colossians 1:2; 3:4: “To the holy and faithful brothers in Christ.... When Christ, who is your life APPEARS, then you also will APPEAR with Him in glory.” I John 3:2,3: “When Jesus APPEARS, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. Everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure!!” Matthew 24:29,30: Jesus says, “IMMEDIATELY AFTER the distress of those days {The Great Tribulation} the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky. At that time the sign of the Son of Man will APPEAR in the sky and the nations will SEE* the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory!!” I John 2:28: “Dear children, continue in Him, so that when He APPEARS WE may be confident and unashamed before Him at His COMING!” {See 2 Thess 1:7-10; I Tim 6:14; Heb 9:28 & Col 3:4} 2 Tim 4:8: Paul said, There is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on THAT DAY—and not only to me, but to ALL who have longed for His APPEARING!!” I Peter 5:4: “When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away!” 2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the CHURCH* of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen WHEN the Lord Jesus is REVEALED {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord ON THE DAY HE COMES to be glorified in His holy people!!” A meeting at an appointed place and time is called a RENDEZVOUS. We have a RENDEZVOUS with eternity at the glorious APPEARING and REVEALING of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ *IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Great Tribulation.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	WHEN WILL THE LOST BE JUDGED AND SENT TO HELL? John 12:48: Jesus says, “There is a Judge for the one who rejects Me and does not accept My words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the LAST DAY!!” 2 Thess 1:1,6-10: ‘To the CHURCH of the Thessalonians…God is just; He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen WHEN the Lord Jesus is REVEALED {See I Peter 1:13} from heaven in blazing fire…. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord ON THE DAY HE COMES to be glorified in His holy people!!” {THE LAST DAY-See Rev 20:11-15} Matt 25:31-34,41: Jesus says, “WHEN the Son of Man comes in His glory,{On the Last Day} and all the angels with Him {See Matt 24:29-31}, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another……He will put His sheep on His right and the goats on the left. THEN the King {Jesus} will say to those on His right, “Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the worlew Heaven and a New Earth, the home of righteousness!!.. THEN He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire!” John 5:28,29: Jesus says, “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming {The Last Day} when ALL {Both OT & NT Saints} who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.” Daniel 12:1b,2,7b: “There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time {The Last Day} your people--EVERYONE whose name is found written in the Book {Both OT & NT Saints}—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt…It will be for a time. times and half a time {1260 days-Rev 12:6,14, or 42 {30-day} months-Rev 13:5-{Not 7 years} ALL these things will be COMPLETED. Actually there are many similarities between Revelation 20:11-15 and the Judgment of ALL* the lost in Matthew 25:31-46 on the Day that Jesus comes again: Matthew 25:31-34,41,46: “WHEN the Son of Man {The Lamb} comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on HIS THRONE in Heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left.” “THEN the King will say to those on the right, “Come you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.” {The New Jerusalem with its New Heaven and New Earth—See Rev 21:1-5 & 2 Peter 3:10-13} “*THEN He will say to those on His left, “Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” ....”THEN they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 13:40-43: Jesus says, “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the END OF THE AGE. The Son of man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. **THEN the righteous will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
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prophetic774 Winter Haven, FL 67, joined Feb. 2011	Louie, Lud an TNT proclaim that we are saved by our GOOD WORKS?? BUT WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY?? Ephesians 1:3-8; 11: Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with EVERY spiritual blessing in Christ. For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and BLAMELESS in His sight. In love He predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will--to the praise of His GLORIOUS GRACE, which He has freely given us in the One He loves. In Him we have REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins. in accordance the riches of God's grace that He lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.....In Him we were also CHOSEN having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of His will!! Ephesians 2:4-10: Because of His great love for us, God,, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is BY GRACE you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might show the incomparable riches of His grace, expressed in His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is BY GRACE you have been saved, through faith-- and this NOT FROM YOURSELVES, it is the GIFT of God--NOT BY WORKS*, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do! Galatians 3:23-25: "Before faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, WE* ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW!!" The Apostle Peter wrote in I Peter 1:17-19: For you know it was not with perishable things such as silver and gold that you were REDEEMED from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, a Lamb without blemish or defect!! Hebrews 11:1,3,6,9,10,13-16: Now FAITH is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see...By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what is visible... And without FAITH it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. ... By FAITH Abraham made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God...All these people were still living by FAITH when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were strangers on earth. People who say such things show they are looking for country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have opportunity to return. Instead, they were looking for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them! {The New Jerusalem with its New heaven and New Earth. as per Revelation 21:1-5} Romans 3:22-25,27,28: This righteousness from God comes through FAITH in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God promised Him as a sacrifice of atonement , through FAITH in His blood!!....Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but that of FAITH! For we maintain that a man is justified by FAITH apart from observing the law!
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	John 3:16
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ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 65, joined Feb. 2008	The Aramaic word for mother and cousin are the same, so the "brothers of the Lord" were Jesus' cousins. According to Catherine Emerich, who probably had more visions than anyone in history, Joseph and Mary has already agreed to have a non-sexual marriage even before the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary, and the people who got married at Cana where Jesus changed water to wine did the same. All through the history of Christianity there have been a few married couples who have chosen this route. Not very many of them, but a few. Why? To spend more time in prayer, to make reparation for tge sins of mankind, in some cases because one partner has a physical injury, different reasons. This is not for everybody, and probably in most cases a very bad idea, but a tony few couples are called by God to this kind of marriage.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Hebrew.... original scripture was in Hebrew
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from prophetic774... However Ludlow the NT was written in Greek and not Aramaic!! Finally, the entire New Testament is in Greek. That is the very precise language God chose for the New Testament. ***************************************************************************** Quote from cupocheer... There is no ancient Hebrew or Aramaic word for "brother" or "cousin". Hebrew.... original scripture was in Hebrew ***************************************************************************** Quote from ludlowlowell... According to Catherine Emerich, who probably had more visions than anyone in history, Joseph and Mary has already agreed to have a non-sexual marriage even before the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary, *************************************************************************** For a Christian forum I have never seen so much Bull S* in my life. Some people here just let out their foul hot air without a thought about what they are saying. The "entire NT" was not written in Greek. There are many types of Greek and the "entire NT" was not written in all of them. The oldest and most complete NT manuscripts we have are in Ancient Koine Greek. Many copies were written in Modern Greek. The Modern Greek copies were mostly written around 1500 ad, well over 1000 years later. The problem is, so many use the Modern Greek text, which is not as accurate as the Ancient Koine Greek manuscripts. The chain of events that led to the creation of Tyndale’s New Testament possibly began in 1522, the year Tyndale acquired a copy of Martin Luther’s German New Testament. Inspired by Luther’s work, Tyndale began a translation into English using a Greek text "compiled by Erasmus from several manuscripts older and more authoritative than the Latin Vulgate" of St. Jerome (A.D. c.340-420), the only translation authorized by the Roman Catholic Church. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyndale_Bible The King James version was mostly based on Tyndale's work. Textus Receptus is an example of a Modern Greek manuscript. The NT was never written in Greek of any type. At least we don't have any evidence of that. Of course the OT was written in Ancient Hebrew. A bit different from it's modern cousin. G431 anepsios an-eps'-ee-os from G1 (as a particle of union) and an obsolete nepos (a brood); properly, akin, i.e. (specially) a cousin. G80 adephos ad-el-fos' from G1 (as a connective particle) and delphus (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like G1). H251 'ach awkh a primitive word; a brother (used in the widest sense of literal relationship and metaphorical affinity or resemblance (like H1)). Compare also the proper names beginning with "Ah-" or "Ahi-". I would not go as far as to say there is not Ancient Hebrew term for "cousin." Only that there are no examples in the OT. Honestly guys. Get your respective acts together. At least aim for some accuracy.
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cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	No thanks.
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bigd9832 Chicago, IL 64, joined Oct. 2007	No thanks? As in - No thanks I don't want to be accurate? Or - No thanks I am not interested in what the Ancient Greek says? Next to ludlow and louie, cup has been the most wrong person here.
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